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Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by iluvnet(m): 9:34pm On Feb 23, 2012
Hi everyone,

I am just wondering why the office of a G.O cannot be rotated? Is democracy foreign to the church? I have seen a church where the G.O's office is permanent while other officers are rotated every 2 years. So, if you get into the wrong book of the G.O or his wife, you are bound to be removed from that post within 2 years as it is the G.O that prays about the new officers and no one can either confirm or reject any particular officer. I know (but stand to be corrected as I don't know if it is still in practice) that foursquare rotates their G.O office every four years and if a man performs, he continues for a second term and after that no more. But why is this difficult for other churches? I presume the G.O sees himself as the ordained officer  that can't and must not be removed from office irrespective of whether he loses his anointing or not. Are our G.O's not guilty of the same sin we accuse African politicians of?

Let me quickly add here that I am not supporting people who are post seekers in the church who will try all means to bring down a man of God simply because they want to occupy the post. I am just asking in order to learn.

Please lets have mature discussion and let everyone of us learn.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Goshen360(m): 1:32am On Feb 24, 2012
iluvnet:

I am just wondering why the office of a G.O cannot be rotated? Is democracy foreign to the church? I have seen a church where the G.O's office is permanent while other officers are rotated every 2 years.

Please lets have mature discussion and let everyone of us learn.

First of all, I want to thank you for this kind of thread. I have many burden I have carried in my heart for long and the Lord is leading me to begin to put some teachings together. This thread is one of the things am putting biblical teaching  about. One of the problem in the church today is that, when you are not famous or have a voice in the body of Christ, people easily look down on you even when you speak the truth and for that reason, I cannot bring up some teachings here on Nairaland.

To respond to your thread. The Church today is doing business out of the great commission of Christ and this is UNBIBLICAL. It is unbiblical in the sense that, Jesus never commanded us to go establish Churches while we create a worldly kind of system whereby branches are made to bring all generated tithes and offerings to headquarter Church.

Secondly, Apostle Paul established many churches and he never oversee any of them to be under him as the one that created such churches. Today, men have become greedy and institutionalized the Church. Yes we are doing the work of God but with worldly standard or worldly methods hereby creating ungodly burdens on God's people. We have a standard in the word of God and Acts of the Apostles is the foundation of the Church of God and nothing different should be built on a foundation except we are trying to write another bible.

To the main question now. If the Church had done things in the right biblical way and based on the foundation, there will be no need for general overseer in the first place and not need for institutionalization of the Church organization. Should a Church establish branches? Yes but not bringing them under an institutionalized headquarter.  The Church is not a democratic settings. Spiritual leaders are ordained by God and MUST not be replaced or rotated. So now that the Church had adopted the worldly ways of doing godly things, why should we be replacing or rotating the pastors and not rotate the GOs as well? Is it not a partial ground to change a pastor and not change the GOs since the pastor are put there by the leading of the Spirit, except something is wrong. I hope you catch my tone and see what am talking about? This Church is not a worldly organization but the Church herself had made it like a worldly organization and institution.

I am willing that we talk maturely about this subject but I might be out if insults start to come in. I am beginning to see a lot of errors on Nairaland where new generation of Christians are not willing to accept any other biblical truth because it is not taught by their denomination or spiritual head. Hence, they strongly oppose any other truth coming outside their denomination and taking such truth as false. Folks here are also ready to defend their spiritual leaders to any length even when such leaders are wrong. I can point you a lot of things the Church is doing today that are very unbiblical but I will rather wait till appointed time.

I will stop here as other things will come up when others contribute.

God bless you.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Image123(m): 1:15pm On Feb 24, 2012
Rotating or changing Overseers is also seen in the world, so it's not a question of G.Os copying world leaders. There's no specific Bible instruction that i know of that says leaders should be rotated or that leaders should not be rotated. If anything though, the non-rotated leaders have biblical principles, standards, types to hold on to. In the Bible, i don't see Moses the leader of Israel changed or rotated in the sense the OP speaks. I don't see Joshua changed, neither any of the Judges or Kings of the people of God. Subordinates,lesser rulers, captain of armies are changed/rotated like Joab-Amasa-Joab, high priests, but NEVER the CEOs/G.Os. I don't see Jesus rotating his disciples with another 12, or saying last year it was Peter, James and John. This year, let's see Thomas, Matthew and Philip. He wasn't rotating them like a soccer coach that rotates his squad. Even Jesus Himself is King forever, no rotation. Anyways, not my problem.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Goshen360(m): 1:27pm On Feb 24, 2012
@ image123,
The poster raised an important question and that is the purpose of this discussion. The poster said, why do the GOs rotate the pastors and they themselves are not being rotated? Why must it be only the pastors only,if I may amplify the question. You and I have given same biblical position that spiritual leaders are ordained by God and cannot be rotated but the point in the question remains,since the pastor in branches are also ordained and sent by leading of the holy spirit,why are they the only ones being rotated? Except something is wrong somewhere.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by wordtalk(m): 1:41pm On Feb 24, 2012
iluvnet:

So, if you get into the wrong book of the G.O or his wife, you are bound to be removed from that post within 2 years as it is the G.O that prays about the new officers and no one can either confirm or reject any particular officer.

That does not even sound like 'rotating' of church posts. It's more like communism in convent.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Lexusgs430: 3:52pm On Feb 24, 2012
Wanting to always be in control, greed, respect, self glorification, to mention but a few reasons !!!!
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Okijajuju1(m): 4:04pm On Feb 24, 2012
MONEY, Power, Respect. . . cool
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Image123(m): 4:04pm On Feb 24, 2012
goshen360:

@ image123,
The poster raised an important question and that is the purpose of this discussion. The poster said, why do the GOs rotate the pastors and they themselves are not being rotated? Why must it be only the pastors only,if I may amplify the question. You and I have given same biblical position that spiritual leaders are ordained by God and cannot be rotated but the point in the question remains,since the pastor in branches are also ordained and sent by leading of the holy spirit,why are they the only ones being rotated? Except something is wrong somewhere.
Goshen,i've NOT said that spiritual leaders cannot be rotated. Whether they are rotated or not is no big deal to me. What i've added is that the 'accused' non-rotated leaders have biblical references to support their practice. Kings were never rotated in Bible days, but high priests were. They are both spiritual leaders. It's not rotation or non-rotation that makes us more acceptable to God. It's Christ Jesus. According to the OP, foursquare church rotates. Well, their founder wasn't rotated. It did not hinder God's move.
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Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Mavrick2012: 4:13pm On Feb 24, 2012
Rotatn or no rotatn,wat we should b clamourin 4 is a humane face in d runin of church.a case where G.O is livin an xtra flamboyant life in d midst of poverty is totaly unaceptabl.i tink its time we d folowers undastand their is notin like "judgin" or "speakin against d lord's anointed".church money should b chanel towads aleviatin poverty,dats d ril "work of God".rotatin G.O. Wil only encorage turn-by-turn chop(as obtaind in politics).
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Afam4eva(m): 4:16pm On Feb 24, 2012
The OP has a good case. But some people will argue that general overseers are called specially by God and should not be subject to any sort of institutional reshuffle.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by babaowo: 4:22pm On Feb 24, 2012
@op if oledepo hear this frm you He will just slap d topic off your chest because his already telling member that when he dies his son will be next GO, its all buznez may God help us.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by untainted: 4:42pm On Feb 24, 2012
I think where the OP missed it is not realising that these people (GOs) register (their) churches as private concerns
with a board or its like mostly made up of wives, children, and in rare cases, a few outsiders.
It is not as if members have a choice.
Go to the Corporate Affairs Commission and you will see that their position is unassailable
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by strangest(m): 4:44pm On Feb 24, 2012
Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated?



Answer: because it is a personal business set up by one man who chooses the people that will be directors at the CAC
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by duno: 4:53pm On Feb 24, 2012
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Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by mufikings(m): 5:13pm On Feb 24, 2012
Simply put, the Church is organic, a " person " not a business or corporation likened to a Bank, as we have in  today's religious practice.

This person is Christ, the head of the Church

The Apostles initiated the Church through the revelation from God " The Holy Spirit" its constitution today has been seriously faulted, why? the  Self, Greed, Satan, Philosophy,division,doctrine,religion,

The term "Overseers" implies those who over see the affairs the church life, and these ones are Chosen relative to their experience in the church overtime.

It is not a position for one man, one person to dictate and administrate like a business venture.

As mentioned by one of the contributors on this topic, most denominations hardly want to accept the truth apart from what they have being feed with , without properly seeking the Lord with a pure heart and a spirit void of division.

Christ is our only true reality. Amen
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Goshen360(m): 5:32pm On Feb 24, 2012
Image123:

Goshen,i've NOT said that spiritual leaders cannot be rotated. Whether they are rotated or not is no big deal to me. What i've added is that the 'accused' non-rotated leaders have biblical references to support their practice. Kings were never rotated in Bible days, but high priests were. They are both spiritual leaders. It's not rotation or non-rotation that makes us more acceptable to God. It's Christ Jesus. According to the OP, foursquare church rotates. Well, their founder wasn't rotated. It did not hinder God's move.

I also support the highlighted statement of yours. Spiritual leaders cannot be rotated as I didn't see any of such practices in the bible but why do these spiritual head rotate their pastors? The church is not to be managed like worldly system but these GOs have made it like worldly system hence, there shouldn't be need to rotate their pastors since they themselves cannot be rotated. I hope you get my concern?
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Image123(m): 5:50pm On Feb 24, 2012
goshen360:

I also support the highlighted statement of yours. Spiritual leaders cannot be rotated as I didn't see any of such practices in the bible but why do these spiritual head rotate their pastors? The church is not to be managed like worldly system but these GOs have made it like worldly system hence, there shouldn't be need to rotate their pastors since they themselves cannot be rotated. I hope you get my concern?
Okay, i get your concern. But it should be added that the rotation is part of ADMINISTRATION. It's not a worldly practice. Like i said, high priests were rotated in Bible days, priests and Levites had courses. David appointed Joab, then Amasa, then Joab. Paul had authority to send some to go and shepherd churches. It's a manifestation of the gift of ADMINISTRATION. Parents can direct, Shepherds can instruct. And many times, the church members would not even want a G.O rotation but would do okay with a parish leader or cell pastor change. Even the rotated pastors are not complaining?
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by oladayo042: 6:00pm On Feb 24, 2012
Because the G.O. started the church as a private concern (though some exception exist), he knew what others don't know about the church. It will be silly to remove such a man as the G.O. as church is not supposed to be a business in the first place. But in reality, God help us.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Nobody: 6:45pm On Feb 24, 2012
...pls delete
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by jedisco(m): 7:40pm On Feb 24, 2012
Personally I think we should look at the big picture and not insult people because some leaders have misused their authority

I think the ultimate human head of different religions (and denominations) are not rotated (except in few exceptions)

Look at the Roman Catholics and Anglicans. Nobody rotates their bishops, (although some may move to head a new diocese) Archbishops, Primates or the Pope. Infact they have cannonical powers and can prefere any priest to any post and are expected to be obeyed.

Even in Islam I have not heard of the Sultan being rotated or any other supreme Islamic leader.

You can also look at our traditional setting. In my area and all areas I know of the Chief Priest is never rotated

Also the question of some people being favoured is just natural. Afterall even Jesus favoured some disciples and showed them things like the transfiguration which others didn't see. Like I remember the former Primate whose Warden- a very young priest was made a Bishop when a diocese was created in his home town.

In summary: I know democracy is very good, but for the survival of certain structures it should not be practiced fully within their confines. Atleast the case of Cardinals or other Bishops voting for a new Pope, Bishop or Primate as the case may be is enough democracy. Atleast this preserves the 'cult status' of some of these positions.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by eyennyin: 8:01pm On Feb 24, 2012
Because it is a Dairy Farm, with the Chairman/CEO and a board of directors and registered with the CAC, they have the workers and farm branches scattered all over with their cows. The workers send the milk to the head office. the board does whatever it likes with it.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Nobody: 8:33pm On Feb 24, 2012
eyen nyin:

Because it is a Dairy Farm, with the Chairman/CEO and a board of directors and registered with the CAC, they have the workers and farm branches scattered all over with their cows. The workers send the milk to the head office. the board does whatever it likes with it.
Sounds like animal Farm 2 me
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by iluvnet(m): 8:39pm On Feb 24, 2012
goshen360:

First of all, I want to thank you for this kind of thread. [b]I have many burden I have carried in my heart for long and the Lord is leading me to begin to put some teachings together. [/b]This thread is one of the things am putting biblical teaching  about. One of the problem in the church today is that, when you are not famous or have a voice in the body of Christ, people easily look down on you even when you speak the truth and for that reason, I cannot bring up some teachings here on Nairaland.

To respond to your thread. The Church today is doing business out of the great commission of Christ and this is UNBIBLICAL. It is unbiblical in the sense that, Jesus never commanded us to go establish Churches while we create a worldly kind of system whereby branches are made to bring all generated tithes and offerings to headquarter Church.

Secondly, Apostle Paul established many churches and he never oversee any of them to be under him as the one that created such churches. Today, men have become greedy and institutionalized the Church. Yes we are doing the work of God but with worldly standard or worldly methods hereby creating ungodly burdens on God's people. We have a standard in the word of God and Acts of the Apostles is the foundation of the Church of God and nothing different should be built on a foundation except we are trying to write another bible.

To the main question now. If the Church had done things in the right biblical way and based on the foundation, there will be no need for general overseer in the first place and not need for institutionalization of the Church organization. Should a Church establish branches? Yes but not bringing them under an institutionalized headquarter.  The Church is not a democratic settings. Spiritual leaders are ordained by God and MUST not be replaced or rotated. So now that the Church had adopted the worldly ways of doing godly things, why should we be replacing or rotating the pastors and not rotate the GOs as well? Is it not a partial ground to change a pastor and not change the GOs since the pastor are put there by the leading of the Spirit, except something is wrong. I hope you catch my tone and see what am talking about? This Church is not a worldly organization but the Church herself had made it like a worldly organization and institution.

I am willing that we talk maturely about this subject but I might be out if insults start to come in. I am beginning to see a lot of errors on Nairaland where new generation of Christians are not willing to accept any other biblical truth because it is not taught by their denomination or spiritual head. Hence, they strongly oppose any other truth coming outside their denomination and taking such truth as false. Folks here are also ready to defend their spiritual leaders to any length even when such leaders are wrong. I can point you a lot of things the Church is doing today that are very unbiblical but I will rather wait till appointed time.

I will stop here as other things will come up when others contribute.

God bless you.

new generation of Christians are not willing to accept any other biblical truth because it is not taught by their denomination or spiritual head
God bless for all the bolded and the quoted above. Whenever you try to talk maturedly to some christians about some unholy and unwholesome practices in the church, you are labeled heretic or disrespectul to constituted authorities and the supporters of the G.O will promise you hell and brimstone. Please, if you are being to show us the truth, please go ahead and show us and don't bother about whose ox is gored. God bless you.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by bulksms247(m): 8:45pm On Feb 24, 2012
The Post of General Overseer is rotatable depending on the church
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Goshen360(m): 9:02pm On Feb 24, 2012
iluvnet:

new generation of Christians are not willing to accept any other biblical truth because it is not taught by their denomination or spiritual head
God bless for all the bolded and the quoted above. Whenever you try to talk maturedly to some christians about some unholy and unwholesome practices in the church, you are labeled heretic or disrespectul to constituted authorities and the supporters of the G.O will promise you hell and brimstone. Please, if you are being to show us the truth, please go ahead and show us and don't bother about whose ox is gored. God bless you.

Thank you my brother. I am already putting some articles together on various malpractices in the church today. I hope to bring them to the world very soon on this forum. God bless you.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by mrmayor(m): 9:16pm On Feb 24, 2012
@goshen,

Churches except  the Orthodox one are all registered as [size=13pt]Private Concerns[/size], call it NGO's if you will but it has an owner, CEO and Board of Trustees. In most cases the CEO is also the G.O, he makes all the big decisions including Rotating and Firing of Officers in this case Pastors. The Organizations is set up according to the vision of the Founder who is also the G.O.

jedisco:

Look at the Roman Catholics and [size=14pt]Anglicans[/size]. Nobody rotates their bishops, (although some may move to head a new diocese) Archbishops, Primates or the Pope. Infact they have cannonical powers and can prefere any priest to any post and are expected to be obeyed.

For the Anglicans, their Bishops and Arch Bishops are elected/Chosen by Council Of Bishops. The Rt.Rev can on stay in Office Bishop for not more than 10years after which he must Retire.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Ayatullah(m): 9:37pm On Feb 24, 2012
@iluvnet: Are you not aware that churches are registered with CAC?  undecidedChurch business is serious business, so do not think of rotation. Do you want the almighty General Overseer lose his investment? Christians you've got to wake up and see the mess you are in for refusing to follow Jesus, but Paul.
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by jedisco(m): 11:12pm On Feb 24, 2012
mrmayor:

@goshen,

Churches except the Orthodox one are all registered as [size=13pt]Private Concerns[/size],
For the Anglicans, their Bishops and Arch Bishops are elected/Chosen by Council Of Bishops. The Rt.Rev can on stay in Office Bishop for not more than 10years after which he must Retire.

If you read the last paragraph of my reply you will notice acknowledged that and took care of it.

On the 10year tenure for Bishops I really dont think its true as they remain bishops retire only when they reach the set, die age or resign voluntarily.
Atleast I know that one my previous Bishop stayed on seat like almost forever and the current one is soo young that no one is even dreaming of becoming the bishop of the diocese cos he will be around for almost 30years
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by jedisco(m): 11:18pm On Feb 24, 2012
shiiit nairaland should make it possible for people to edit their posts especially those using phones
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by osifred(m): 11:43pm On Feb 24, 2012
there can never be a mature discussion in a biased thread as this.

let me ask u a  qstn. what wil rotating the GO seek to achieve? it is men dat placed dem in dat position or God
Re: Why Can't The Post Of A General Overseer Be Rotated? by Lovine: 11:59pm On Feb 24, 2012
7th Day Adventist church rotates theirs every 4 years or so. I think also may be JW do the same. I can't remember any other. Today's churches are run by men who are not filled with the Holy Spirit but are only there for monetary reasons.

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