More crap from the french

Sarkozy: No Halaal Food in French Public Schools

French President Nicolas Sarkozy declared that halal food in schools and special hours so that Muslim women can swim out of view of men are in contradiction with the French principle of secularism.

Such issues “should be considered not as religious facts, but as facts of civilization,’’ he said, insisting that French civilization must prevail in France.

Muslims, and immigration, are constant themes in recent French presidential races, but the topic is rising to the fore with vehemence as the April 22 first-round vote nears — 50 days from now. The final round is May 6.

There are an estimated 5 million Muslims in France, the largest such population in Western Europe, and the latest generation is making increasing demands that the country accommodate needs set out by their religion or their customs.

"There is no place in the republic for xenophobia, there is no place for racism … There is no place for pools with hours for men and hours for women," Sarkozy told a rally Saturday in Bordeaux.

Critics say Sarkozy is seeking to attract supporters away from extreme-right candidate Marine Le Pen, who is third in polls after front-runner Francois Hollande, a Socialist, and the conservative president. Le Pen, who succeeds party founder Jean-Marie Le Pen, her father, has worked to erase the image of the party as anti-Semitic — but now castigates what she says is the profile of Islam in France.

The team of Hollande, the Socialist candidate, castigated Sarkozy that his position “scapegoats, stigmatizes’’ Muslims.

Jerome Sainte-Marie of the CSA polling firm, monitoring the rally with BFM television, said that with Sarkozy’s showing in polls he must work the terrain where he does best.

"Nicolas Sarkozy has no other choice but to turn the tables and transform this election into a referendum on national identity," Sainte-Marie said.

http://islamtoday.com/artshow-229-4400.htm

Sources

Elaine Ganley, "Sarkozy nixes halal meat in schools for Muslims" Boston Globe March 3, 2012

"Campaigning Sarkozy excludes special consideration for Muslims" Newsday March 4, 2012

What goes around comes around.

As intolerant as many Muslims are, its no surprise that the rest of the world is taking notice and giving them a dose of their own medicine. I hope they swallow in silence.

We have other pressing problems to take care of.

People have come before him with stricter regimes against Islam. We know how they always end up

just an election stunt by Sarkozy.the same has happened in Germany and Australia.

when they want to win elections,they talk on trivial issues that can never do away with people practicing their faith.

before we get the propaganda that Muslims are trying to "force" others,now its the "secularists" and the "freedom fighters" trying to prevent muslims from practicing their faith.

let Sarkozy make his empty promises,they will not change anything.

The issue of some Muslim's intolerance is gradually becoming an election issue. That's how Europe will declare its stand through the voice of its citizens. Too bad for the Muslims that this is becoming an election issue meaning that politicians will have to walk the talk - make promises about the problem and keep them. Europe is not Africa where politicians make empty promises. They will be held to account. The last time Islamic issues was subjected to voting in Europe burqas and minirates were banned.

Islam must reform itself to be tolerant; grant its own minorities rights and respect the sensibilities of its hosts or it seeks to be alienated and rolled back in Europe. It 's adherents must respect their hosts and their culture or go back from whence they came

so muslims have to eat non halal food because a kosher eater said no. big deal, since all a muslim will have to say is Bismillah and its Halal by mercy of God. Please brentkruge, have some other meaningful thing to say, even though i disagree with many ways of the agitated muslims, who should be tolerant and restrain themselves, improving their own image struggle hard to meet the requirement of Islam.

100 years in the future, Sarkozy will be a thing only in memory, just like me and others. Where is Isabella, now? But Islam is in Spain. SO shall Islam be in France after Sarkozy.

I think the muslims in france should just try and stay away from meat in schools and public restaurant and the females should stay away from swimming in public pools, then maybe take the matter to the court. if France claims to be a secular state, they should accommodate their citizen irrespective of their faith.

brentkruge:

The issue of some Muslim's intolerance is gradually becoming an election issue. That's how Europe will declare its stand through the voice of its citizens. Too bad for the Muslims that this is becoming an election issue meaning that politicians will have to walk the talk - make promises about the problem and keep them. Europe is not Africa where politicians make empty promises. They will be held to account. The last time Islamic issues was subjected to voting in Europe burqas and minirates were banned.

Islam must reform itself to be tolerant; grant its own minorities rights and respect the sensibilities of its hosts or it seeks to be alienated and rolled back in Europe. It 's adherents must respect their hosts and their culture or go back from whence they came

Muslims will not be dictated to by gay.gots and other perverts
Intolerance? So how come there are so many christians is Dubai for instance.
And it is a crime to deny the holocaust in several countries. Is that not intolerance of the right to carry out independent inquiry?

But are the Christians in Dubai trying to force the UAE into changing the laws to suit them though?

@Proo212: christians eat everything. if you put anything on something, that food for christians.
You have no rules or ruling on foods. As long as it looks good, it good to eat. I say thats mickey, a vacuum cleaner sucking up everything [even if its bad for you].

Halal meat is good for you so the christian in UAE are eating what benefits their body.

But Jesus said its not what you eat/take in that makes you unclean but what comes out of your mouth.

^^^^^
In other words, Muslims should live their lives by the rules of the Bible?
And since western countries say homo-sexuals have rights to do whatever, why are christians resisting?

Let christians also explain this since it is "the intolerance of muslims that is catching up with the muslims"
What is catching up with christians?

Jerusalem graffiti targets Arabs, Christians

http://news.yahoo.com/jerusalem-graffiti-targets-arabs-christians-145149120.html;_ylt=AsHS1hn4UFI8be9kNjuJdN8SH9EA;_ylu=X3oDMTRvaWEwbzBrBGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDEwMDBwb29sd2lraXVwcmVzdARtaXQDTmV3cyBmb3IgeW91BHBrZwMwMTJjZjNhMi1iNTE2LTNmOGYtYTM0Yi04MmQzNzQzZjhlMDQEcG9zAzEEc2VjA25ld3NfZm9yX3lvdQR2ZXIDMGI1MTFjOTAtNjdhNy0xMWUxLThmOWItNTYxZTYwYzI2ZDg4;_ylg=X3oDMTM1cjYzY2gyBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMDIxYzkzOWEtMmJiZC0zZjVjLWE5ZGEtYWQ1Y2RlYTQwZDU1BHBzdGNhdANob21lfG9kZG5ld3MEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdlBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3


"Vandals scrawled anti-Arab and anti-Christian slogans in Hebrew on a monastery compound and a school in Jerusalem overnight, Israeli police said on Tuesday.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said unknown people sprayed graffiti reading "death to Christians" and "price tag" on the walls of the compound of the Greek Orthodox Monastery of the Cross in west Jerusalem overnight."

Ride on, Sarkozy! These muslims can't take shit in their own countries. Anyway, just know that you're dead after your presidency okay? The Muslims don't forgive ppl. I feel sorry for your beautiful model wife .

lagcity:

Ride on, Sarkozy! These muslims can't take poo in their own countries. Anyway, just know that you're dead after your presidency okay? The Muslims don't forgive ppl. I feel sorry for your beautiful model wife .

Your history mixed is up

It is Christians that do assassinations
I don't expect you to remember or admit it. Lying is a way of life for christians

Pat Robertson calls for assassination of Hugo Chavez
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-22-robertson-_x.htm

"We have the ability to take him (Chavez) out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability,' Robertson said."

If only betatings will speak the truth. So Anwar Sadat was assassinated by a "christian" abi? The dutch movie producer of the controversial movie sometime ago was killed by a Christian too.

Beta have your facts correct before you deliberately try to speak from clouded judgement.

brentkruge:

The issue of some Muslim's intolerance is gradually becoming an election issue. That's how Europe will declare its stand through the voice of its citizens. Too bad for the Muslims that this is becoming an election issue meaning that politicians will have to walk the talk - make promises about the problem and keep them. Europe is not Africa where politicians make empty promises. They will be held to account. The last time Islamic issues was subjected to voting in Europe burqas and minirates were banned.

Islam must reform itself to be tolerant; grant its own minorities rights and respect the sensibilities of its hosts or it seeks to be alienated and rolled back in Europe. It 's adherents must respect their hosts and their culture or go back from whence they came

it is fact that even aside from immirgrants from muslim countries living in europe,Islam is the second largest religion in europe (among european people) and the fastest growing.

burqas are banned in france but the hijab isn't "yet".burqas are not compulsory but optional for those who want it in Islam.

minarets were banned in switzerland and we saw how Gaddafi humbled the swiss.he turned off his gas pipes and they begged.every muslim is a minaret.we dont need minarets as decorations in islam as churches on sundays are.we can pray anywhere our five daily prayers.

proo212:

If only betatings will speak the truth. So Anwar Sadat was assassinated by a "christian" abi? The dutch movie producer of the controversial movie sometime ago was killed by a Christian too.

Beta have your facts correct before you deliberately try to speak from clouded judgement.

I quoted Robertson and you say I am not speaking the truth. Tell Robertson to tell the "truth" as acceptable to you
The man is saying they have an assassination process in the US. He is a US citizen. You certainly cannot know his country better.

Was it a muslim that killed
JFK?
Abraham Lincoln?
Patrice Lumumba?
Was it a Muslims that suggested that Ghandi should be assassinated?

Did Muslims invade Mexico, Vietnam, Grenada, Nicaragua?
Did Muslim plan the invasion of Cuba?
Did Muslims topple the giovernment oif Mossedique of Iran?

When muslims renegades do bad things, muslims denounce them, when christians terrorise whole countries, christians say notthing

BetaThings:

Muslims will not be dictated to by gay.gots and other perverts
Intolerance? So how come there are so many Christians is Dubai for instance.
And it is a crime to deny the holocaust in several countries. Is that not intolerance of the right to carry out independent inquiry?

Then you wont eat halaal meat in France.

And while you are at it pack your bags and go back from whence you came. After all If they are gay.gots and perverts, what are Muslims doing there in the first place?

brentkruge:

Then you wont eat halaal meat in France.

Maybe not
But you too will will not be openly perverting people in muslim countries

brentkruge:


And while you are at it pack your bags and go back from whence you came. After all If they are gay.gots and perverts, what are Muslims doing there in the first place?

Actually gay.gotry is a new madness. Nobody in his right senses would advertise it 30 years ago
So it is in part the cumulative result of notching up the level of decadence/perversion
Of course the lunacy of gay.gotry take some very long time to overcome

And we shall prevail

BetaThings:

Maybe not
But you too will will not be openly perverting people in muslim countries


Actually gay.gotry is a new madness. Nobody in his right senses would advertise it 30 years ago
So it is in part the cumulative result of notching up the level of decadence/perversion
Of course the lunacy of gay.gotry take some very long time to overcome

And we shall prevail

I think its better you leave their gay.gotry, decadence and perversion. After all its their country. They can walk naked if they so choose. Its not your place to "prevail". This is not the 6th Century of conquerors. They believe in individual rights. They wouldn't go to Muslim countries and hope to prevail against floggings, amputations, burqa and halaal etc (assuming you will allow them).

Either live with it or leave. Its simple really.

brentkruge:

I think its better you leave their gay.gotry, decadence and perversion. After all its their country. They can walk Unclad if they so choose. Its not your place to "prevail". This is not the 6th Century of conquerors. They believe in individual rights. They wouldn't go to Muslim countries and hope to prevail against floggings, amputations, burqa and halaal etc (assuming you will allow them).

Either live with it or leave. Its simple really.

Their country?
There are muslim frenchmen. So they should leave too? Is that civilisation?
You actually imagine that they are in Libya and are not undermining those countries rules in the name of Human Rights
You are ignoring the part where Britain is flexing her muscles over "perverted" rights.
Same as the US

I reckon that you wholehearted support the policies of these countries in promoting the "rights" of of same-s.ex lunatics and in also allowing so-called "polyamorous" relationships while criminalising polygamy

Allow them?
Maybe you should visit muslim countries and you will see that the westerners are not content to stay at home. Go to Dubai, Tunisia, Qatar etc and you will see that the muslims are very accommodating
But the west still has not really got over the colonial mentality of talking down on and imposing its "values" on others

brentkruge:

What goes around comes around.

As intolerant as many Muslims are, its no surprise that the rest of the world is taking notice and giving them a dose of their own medicine. I hope they swallow in silence.

We have other pressing problems to take care of.

Now explain this from your hero, Sarkozy
Sarkozy says ‘too many foreigners’ in France
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/president-sarkozy-sparks-controversy-saying-too-many-foreigners-225014704.html

The whole world is intolerant? The son of an immigrant is being fair in lashing out at immigrants
Some muslims were in France before Sarkozy's dad came to France
So are the jews also intolerant?

Be consistent. Are the targets at fault (Muslims and Jews) or the accuser (Sarkozy)

"Our system of integration is working increasingly badly, because we have too many foreigners on our territory and we can no longer manage to find them accommodation, a job, a school," Sarkozy said

just two days after the center-right leader sparked alarm in both France's Jewish and Muslim communities by saying French state schools should not serve "halal" or kosher meat

@brentkruge

since we spoke about the issue of minaret ban in switzerland,let me thank tbaba1234 for posting a topic on it:

"SWISS POLITICIAN WORKING FOR MINARET BAN EMBRACES ISLAM":
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-888581.0.html

Fed up French Muslims mobilize to punish Sarkozy: Report

The Muslim community in France is reportedly mobilizing voters to punish President Nicolas Sarkozy in Sunday's presidential election.


The Washington Times newspaper said in a report that French Muslims, estimated at more than six million, are fed up with Sarkozy's anti-immigrant and anti-Islam policies.

A sociologist with the Institute of Studies on the Arab and Muslim World has told the US daily that French Muslims are tired of debates about national identity, the Islamic veil or fundamentalism.

"[French] Muslims can't stand it anymore. They are fed up with these debates about national identity, halal meat, the veil or fundamentalism all over the place," said Francoise Lorcerie.

"The terms [Islam, immigration and fundamentalism] are being used interchangeably, without care, with people being targeted, denigrated and used for [votes]," Lorcerie added.

According to polls, front runner Socialist and Left Radical Party candidate Francois Hollande is ahead of the incumbent President Nicolas Sarkozy -- whose approval rating has diminished remarkably in the past months-- and is likely to win the run-off vote.

If Sarkozy is defeated in the election he will be the first one-term French president since 1981.

The recent shooting of a Jewish rabbi and three children in Toulouse which led to the arrest of a number of Muslims further ignited the anti-Muslim campaign in France.

Sarkozy's opponents believe that the shooting was set up as a scenario for him to win Jewish votes.

Facing a decline in his popularity, Sarkozy has tried to use various techniques, including playing even religious cards, as in the case of Toulouse shootings, in order to win the voters ballots.

The fact that Merah --the Toulouse shooter-- was cooperating closely with the French Intelligence Service in Afghanistan and Iraq, has raised doubts whether the incident was stage managed by Sarkozy to garner the Jewish votes. But, now Sarkozy has failed to achieve his objectives.

There is doubt that whether Merad killed himself or was killed during the police raid.

This comes as the Muslim community of France which constitutes around ten percent of the country's eligible voters and is considered to be capable of playing a kingmaker role, is infuriated over Sarkozy's anti-immigration and anti-Islam stances and rhetoric.

DB/MA/AZ

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/237295.html

but cant they eat kosher?

[size=14]France election: Francois Hollande 'wins first round'[/size]

French Socialist Francois Hollande has won most votes in the first round of the country's presidential election, early results show.

They suggest he got more than 28% of votes against about 26% for centre-right incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy.

The two men will face each other in a second round on 6 May.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17806398

is Hollande a better candidate?

tbaba1234: is Hollande a better candidate?

lets hope.but most importantly,sarkozy would be made to pay for his blunders.also,the muslim votes would become a force to reckon with in french elections.

Must muslims live there?why not emigrate to where you can practice Islam well.

uplawal: Must muslims live there?why not emigrate to where you can practice Islam well.

Salamu Alaikum Sister,i hope everything is well with you.long time!

as for your question that muslims can emigrate to where they can practice their religion well,that is difficult especially when you take into perspective the financial aspect of it.also,what about those muslims who are from france ("whites" and do not have an option of returning to where their parents came from? also,i believe the entire earth was built for the worship of Allah (swt) and is a masjid.the issue really is not about practicing Islam well.no matter how hard anyone tries the Muslim will always have too many options on what to eat or not to eat and how to behave or not to behave.the problem here is the politics,discrimination,suffering and image that result.