It is not just about writing anything in nairaland in expression of individual opinion. It is about reason.

To all those that wants Nigeria divided under the pretext that "Aboki" has misgoverned Nigeria, I want a debate.

Who destroyed Nigeria Federalism? I think it is Awo when he sat down with, Gowon and his cohorts; and changed our revenue allocation? He was the most educated and senior minister, who has the ears of the powers that be - that happened to be uneducated and unschooled young men (taken directly from secondary school to the army and "somehow" through gun, shot themselves to power).

Awo sat down on a table with them and few permanent secretaries to change our revenue allocation formula. I want someone to prove me wrong. Do hide under the Ironsi unification decree. The decree did not in any way tamper with revenue allocation and collection. If is a fact that months after Gowon emerged as head of state, Ojukwu was collecting all revenues from the east and refused to remit the 40% or so due to the Federal government. This did not lead to war. It was the actual declaration of Biafra that brought the war. I want someone to challenge me on this.

As for we the Igbo, our elders were in coalition government with Saduana between 1960 and 1966 and all we can achieve was to "create and capture" midwestern region. Our NCNC and NPC refused both the Calabars and the Middle Belt their region despite strong agitation for them. They rather used the military to quell the Tiv riots. Why did they not pull out of the government then and force another election based on reason? A threat of leaving the government could have made NPC have a rethink in governing Nigeria. The truth is that the Igbo leaders then were also scheming for power in a very crude and unprincipled way

So what am I saying, all parties contributed to the mess.

Today given the benefits of hindsight most of agree that Buhari and Idiagbon would have sanitised the country. But we forgot to ask who removed them from power? The western press dominated by Yorubas, Abiola and Dantata factor. All for their pro-masses policies.

Who were the admirers IBB until after June 12? Those that can be said to be IBB's best friends? I am sure they are not only Hausas?

In the end, we can see that every tribe in Nigeria contributed in destroying the country.

It can also help to know who brought thuggery and tribalism into Nigeria politic.

When we find answers to this, we will know

1. It were not only Huasa's that destroyed Nigeria.
2. If and when Nigeria breaks up, the corruption in all segments of our society will be remain.
3. No progress will be made as a result. The people will still be denied, as the creation of states have proved. States were usually created based on marginalization; but soon after its creation, another group of oppressor and oppressed emerged.

As for the benefits of staying together as a country. I want some one to show me a big country in our present world that did not build its economy with a large population. The present United Kingdom today was built with a population that included a third of the world then. France was built as same. Spain, Germany and Portugal all built up their economy using their massive population of their colonies of old. Technology is a recent tool that only serves to consolidate an already built economy.

Technology is driven by economics which is driven by population. Invent anything you like and if the market rejects it, your invention is as good as rubbish. There have been great invention that did not see the day because the economic were wrong.

So we need a massive population to dictate the market. With the Nigerian market, we can dictate to investors, manufacturers. we can dictate to investors. All we need to create a good economy is the market and enough resources. The resources is not lacking; now you people want to allow foreign interest push you into destroying this market so that they can perpetually dictate to tiny countries of 30/40 millions, probably playing one country against the other then.

My dream for Nigeria is a super power that will stand to represent the much marginalized black-man in the committee of Nations. If we cannot achieve this, we are a disgrace to nature and God. And there is no way a tiny Oduduwa, Biafra, Arewa etc republic can achieve that.

The masters that destroyed our land and put us into slavery five centuries ago know all these.

Think about exploration, discoveries, slavery, colonization, flag independence and now neo-colonialism. They are all forms of slavery that the blackman has been put under. Unless we get this, we will never have peace. The poverty and misrule in Africa is not because God created us inferior; it is a complicated resultant of the destruction of our society and the continuous efforts being made to keep us down. Including the killing of our leaders and intellectual that gets too "radical".

Radicals rule their society, but radical are either disoriented or murdered secretly in our society. The world keeps changing for the better because of radicals who can think outside to box to discover hidden truth and solutions to problems. Conformist and psychopaths which they have groomed out of all make good followers but never takes their society forward.

It is painful when we cannot get these truths. I know it is because what we know is what they told us. Their lies have become our truth, the same Mungo Park discovered river Niger despite our brother having lived there for centuries before his voyage.

How many of us know what happened to the indiginous population of America. How many of us know that before the discovery of quinine that our land is called Whiteman's grave; that the whiteman would have settled and taken over our lands (and probably wiped out our race) as they did in Australia, South Africa, Zimbabwe, and the American continents. How many of us have "googled" the polulation spread of the American countries (both North and South)to discover that greater percentage of the population are European Migrants, African slaves and later day Asians? Have we been able to tie these things together? Or is it cheaper to come to Nairaland and make cheap statements?

Can we tied together the death of Abacha, Abiola, Muritala, Idiagbon with the overthrow of Buhari/Idiagbon Regime? Have we included that of Patrice lumumba and Thomas Sankara among others?

There in lies the source of our backwardness. Wake up guys we can do it

I quoted this from a fellow NL poster @Godman_n. I find his post very insightful and thought provoking - please let's debate this post WITHOUT tribal bashing.

Thanks.

You are wasting your time.
Let the lousy Yoruba and Igbo bigots on and off NL precipitate jor.
NL tribalistic idols going nowhere fast.

shymmex:

I quoted this from a fellow NL poster @Godman_n. I find his post very insightful and thought provoking - please let's debate this post WITHOUT tribal bashing.

Thanks.

story, the underlying factor there is that the cause of our problems today was authored by the northerners. the northern clowns.

I'm a Godman groupie. That guy makes a loada sense!

@post

fact: after independence nigeria operated true federalism which was later destroyed for unitary system(enormous power to the centre) by a southerner!! . . . .aguiyi ironsi!

fact: the devilish land use act was propagated by a southerner!! . . . .obasanjo!

these were policies that really destroyed nigeria

op i hope you would at least admit that the north is disproportionally desperate for political power even though they are the least educated in nigeria. do you think that the least educated in all the big countries are allowed to rule even for one day? some of you suffer from the ostrich syndrome because you refuse to see clear facts for what they are.
you prefer to deceived yourself.
nigeria will never in a million years be greater than say ghana or cameroun because those countries are ruled by educated people. cameroun proved to nigeria that we are empty giants ruled by illiterate islamic extremists and thieves.
they basically snatched bakassi right from under us without is lifting a finger. go and think about that.
ghana is gradually taking over west african pride of place while we keep making noise about population.
israel is the most technologically advanced and militarily strongest country in the middle east even though they are probably the least populated. they sell military technology to india and china (the worlds most populated countries).
you nigerians need to go to school

Theodore Orji, Achike Udenwa, Martin Elechi, Arthur Nzeribe, Iwuanyanwu, Ikedi Ohakim, Maurice Iwu, Otokoto, Chris Uba, Okadigbo, Chris Ngige, Orji-Uzor Kalu, Osisikankwu, Adolphus Wabara, Sam Egwu, Ike Nwachukwu, James Aneke, Mbadinuju - All these men are IGBO!!


Obasanjo, Tafa Balogun, Oyinlola, Fayose, Abiola, Bola Tinubu, Bode George, Alao-Akala (Baba Bleach), Gbenga Daniel, Tokyo, Auxiliary, Fani-Kayode, Paul Okuntimo, Adedibu (the ugliest Nigerian to ever walk the face of the earth), Bankole, Obasanjo's daughter - all are YORUBA!!

All tribes did not destroy Nigeria. It;s the elits from these tribes that have destroyed Nigeria for their selfish gains.

Ejiné: Theodore Orji, Achike Udenwa, Martin Elechi, Arthur Nzeribe, Iwuanyanwu, Ikedi Ohakim, [s]Maurice Iwu, Otokoto, Chris Uba, Okadigbo, [/s]Chris Ngige, Orji-Uzor Kalu, Osisikankwu, Adolphus Wabara, Sam Egwu, Ike Nwachukwu, James Aneke, Mbadinuju - All these men are IGBO!!


Obasanjo, Tafa Balogun, Oyinlola, Fayose, Abiola, Bola Tinubu, Bode George, Alao-Akala (Baba Bleach), Gbenga Daniel, Tokyo, Auxiliary, Fani-Kayode, Paul Okuntimo, Adedibu (the ugliest Nigerian to ever walk the face of the earth), Bankole, Obasanjo's daughter - all are YORUBA!!

the crossed out names never held executive state leadership position in a democracy.
the rest are pdp thieves imposed on us to lead us. the rest are common thieves who probably could have been picked up by an efficient local government police formation, the type that doesn't exist in nigeria. even at that [b]ngige [/b]would have turned anambra into mini-london in 8 years if he continued in office.

I concur with the OP - all tribes produced the thieves that destroyed Nigeria, period.

I disagree with most of the write-up. There is corruption everywhere in the world but some countries are way advanced than others. Why? It is singularity of purpose. These countries possesses the right mentality. The mentality of progress,development,human dignity, national pride and individuals strive to be remembered in history. They don't bother with shiiit like tribalism. Most of them are single ethnic countries. When they are not,they find ways of living in harmony without fear of one ethnic group dominating the other.
But here,the Northern part has refused to educate their people,to liberate them from the shackles of ignorance. All they want is the blind pursuit of power, for power sake. Look at our history, both southerners and northerners helped ruin it but it is glaringly obvious that the most damage was done by northern leaders. They are comfortable living like this. Their leaders believe in nigeria's money,instead of investing it here,they fly out and spend like the world is ending.
In short,the mentality of the northern leaders is deficient. They know Nigeria cannot last,so they milk it as fast as possible. They just do not care about the suffering northern populace. All they want is power to keep the nigerian people and her potential in perpetual bondage

If the system is inherently bad why not find a way out. These writings are merely history and geography. The question is who wants change and what are they doing to resist or encourage it. What is the north actively doing to free themselves from the centre. What is the north actively doing in seeking independent development. In short what are they doing to survive post 4th republic beyond religious extremism.

There was a time Germany was a paraih state with 9 in 10 belonging to the Nazi party. That is history. Today they are engines of euro growth and democracy. What direction is the north going, better or worse. Do they ever see themselves as the germany of nigeria. Yes or no. That is the worry. That is the agitation. That if you have a gangrenous leg your best bet will be to cut it off. If the core north offers nothing but pure trouble day in day out what is the point.

So it is not a matter of who started the fight in 1960 but whether issues are resolved today. History is only for learning. Right practice leads to success. Don't divert from the issues.

Confirmed! We are self destructive.

@ OP

Please correct your self !!! Its the bastard, corrupt, wicked, nigerian leaders since 1960 that destroyed nigeria after independence, and not the improverished, poor, suffering, miserable, masses or the common nigerian that has been bearing the pain, and the agony of the corrupt opperessing ruling elites since 1960. This is so disgusting. Let us seperate the oppressors from the oppressed.

These are people overly protective of territory, tribe and religious toga that the elements, the seeds of development cannot even bear roots. If anyone genuinely knows how to develop that region, I would really like to know, honest.

Is it by infrastructure, education, commerce, entertainment, religion, culture or what. They have resisted and rejected all the above by external parties so what now.

They routinely hound and kill traders, sabotage infrastructure. Now kidnap and kill expats, destroy centres of other faiths, block or prevent so called western culture and influences and now through BH seek the end of 'western education'. If your elites are given the cash not a penny reaches the target. So how?.

Even regions as conservative as the emirates are opening up. So who's model are they following. We have problems in Nigeria I tell you.

scriptwizz:


story, the underlying factor there is that the cause of our problems today was authored by the northerners. the northern clowns.

And the Southern thiefs, drug pushers and clowns. Not forgeting jjiots like you who disrespect other people ignorantly thing they are more enlightened or chick.

I switched off when op started calling god.

Reference,you couldn't 've said it better.

The North has refused to embrace peace. Fucking Islamabads!

okay, all d tribes in nigeria r responsible 4 d decadence, whats the solution? the strength in a one country is destroyed by pure hatred, marginalisation and murder- be a southener working in d north n u'll concur. how many more people v to die b4 we find an equation to unite us as one? the strength in countries that v harnessed their high population 4 productivity eg india, china etc may never b attained in a black nation. amount of bld shed doesn't justify d oneness. lets split!

I just want to say few things and i don't want to take any offense. To the poster,Where will all these lead us to? If am asked to say, i will say that if this statement was writing by an ibo man, he must have had many investments in the north. My advice is start relocating them to south now. Don't justify what the north are doing now by telling us that all tribes contributes to destroying nigeria. Who has been ruling nigeria since independence? How many years have and ibo, yoruba, or south south ruled this country? Don't justify them now because In the minds of the south as a whole, separation should be best just like it was done in sudan. My advice, start relocating cause live first to pursue money later. North has destroyed 9ja with boko haram and killings. Just because a man from south south won the election for the very first time in history, north began killing southerners and Nysc corpers. Why should it be so even though you have been ruling since and the man u are fighting for has also ruled before. North killed the unity of 9ja and is best we separate from them

We need more of such posts on NL, less insults and stupid statements. Kudos to the writer

Stop blaming Northerners I agree, start blaming Muslims.

Now I want to know who this OP is....pls identufy yourself if you truely believe in your write up

Logic Mind: I switched off when op started calling god.

WHY?

There is nothing wrong with one Nigeria, what we simply want is that the killing of southerners in the north under whatever motive must end, i have lived and worked all my live in Kano always in fear, always being careful of where i am just to avoid finding myself in the main city when any riot starts. the reasons for this riots sometimes have nothing to do with Nigeria example when America attacked Abganistan and Iraq over 200 Nigerians of sourthern origin and even middle belt people because they dress and look like sourtherners, when Jonathan was elected last year i was in Kaduna i suvived being killed because i bought a big picture of Buhari and place on my car i also had to change my clothing that day to a long hausa native were called tazarce. we just need peace simple. this do or die politics in the north will only end if we go to true fiscal federalism

Darui: I disagree with most of the write-up. There is corruption everywhere in the world but some countries are way advanced than others. Why? It is singularity of purpose. These countries possesses the right mentality. The mentality of progress,development,human dignity, national pride and individuals strive to be remembered in history. They don't bother with shiiit like tribalism. Most of them are single ethnic countries. When they are not,they find ways of living in harmony without fear of one ethnic group dominating the other.
But here,the Northern part has refused to educate their people,to liberate them from the shackles of ignorance. All they want is the blind pursuit of power, for power sake. Look at our history, both southerners and northerners helped ruin it but it is glaringly obvious that the most damage was done by northern leaders. They are comfortable living like this. Their leaders believe in nigeria's money,instead of investing it here,they fly out and spend like the world is ending.
In short,the mentality of the northern leaders is deficient. They know Nigeria cannot last,so they milk it as fast as possible. They just do not care about the suffering northern populace. All they want is power to keep the nigerian people and her potential in perpetual bondage

You are on spot. @topic, Tell me one core northern politician that was prosecuted for corruption prior to this democratic era or even as at present and I will agree with you. The average core northerner believes nigeria belongs to them; others are servants to be used & dumped at will. Have you heard of 'born to rule' mentality before? I tell you frankly that most of the corrupt politicians from other regions did join them because they felt that the core northerners cannot be challenged hence, they prefer to gather their own while they can. A saying goes like this: where a crime is not punished it gradually becomes a norm. I know you will doubt me but remember this: Nigeria WILL NEVER get better with this present set-up. Imagine in this 21st century cattles & their owners are empowered by the army to enter and graze anywhere(towns, along rail lines & airports causing accidents, farmyards destroying farmers source of livelihood etc) instead for laws to be enacted confining them to ranches. As long as coup plotters(pioneers of corruption) who are basically from the north are not tried & jailed, corruption CANNOT be reduced talk more of wiping off.
@OP, the core northerners do not share thesame vision of a great nigeria with different ppls, culture, religion etc. as you. Presently, an undercover jihad is going on & the army is paying a blind eye. Fulanis are extending down south claiming lands, killing the owners. When the owners speak up, they are killed and if they fight back, soldiers would be despatched against the landowners. Pls, go and research on these personalities; Sir Ahmadu Bello, Hassan Katsina, Murtala Mohammed, Bukar Sukar Dimka, Gideon Orkar, IBB, Sani Abacha. I believe your views will change.

@ Reference, spot on. I remember watching Channels TV few years ago, when the invited guest quoted Ali modu Sheriff (ex-governor borno and the reason we've boko haram) as saying "I don't care What Lagos based newspapers are saying about me afterall 80% of borno citizens can't read". For pete's sake he was proud saying it.

However, I think that a literate north will do 9ja much good and ofcourse I agree with the Op our population's an advantage.

Theodore Orji, Achike Udenwa, Martin Elechi, Arthur Nzeribe, Iwuanyanwu, Ikedi Ohakim, Maurice Iwu, Otokoto, Chris Uba, Okadigbo, Chris Ngige, Orji-Uzor Kalu, Osisikankwu, Adolphus Wabara, Sam Egwu, Ike Nwachukwu, James Aneke, Mbadinuju - All these men are IGBO!!


Obasanjo, Tafa Balogun, Oyinlola, Fayose, Abiola, Bola Tinubu, Bode George, Alao-Akala (Baba Bleach), Gbenga Daniel, Tokyo, Auxiliary, Fani-Kayode, Paul Okuntimo, Adedibu (the ugliest Nigerian to ever walk the face of the earth), Bankole, Obasanjo's daughter - all are YORUBA!!

Pls complete the name lists including the Northerners.We are on a mission to fade them off

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@Yujin
@Darui
@re@lchange

The poster is right and very sensible in his assessment but there are people with a mindset of being from faultlesss tribes and must heap blames on a perceived opresssor tribal or religious group and that will not support any progress. It is true that when it comes to power , patronage and corruption a group of people comprising of all tribes share the power and the loot but when it comes to aportioning blame , the tribal warriors come out in full force to show how saintly and how deprived their tribes were/are. Tafawa Balewa's government of NNA(Nigerian National alliance) was a coalition government of NPC and NCNC untill the igbo majors first and most violent coup in Nigeria in 1966. Gowon in his government depended very much on people like Awolowo, Akinwele Way, Col. Adebayo and the few like Mobolaji Johnson who became rich despite the credibility of the majority in those times. In Murtalas government was infact carried on by his deputy Osanjo, Philip Asiodu (later Uzoma Onyi of Asaba) was an important technocrat guiding both Murtala and OBJ. Shagari had Alex Ekweme IBB worked with Aikhomu and Falaye at the Highest level with Richard Akinjide dispensing justice and the most powerful party chairman ever in Nigeria, Akinloye giving guidance to the party and the whole country.Abatcha had Diya and Akhibe. Obasanjos democracy had Atiku and others and Yar Adua came with Jonathan and you know who the ministers were. At the moment we have Jonathan ,Sambo and Pius Ayim. So what has the seasonal fisherman in Argungu or the peasant farmer in Jigawa got to do with governance and money?
My friend Yulin went on to talk about fulani herdsmen without any current or historical knowledge of animal rearing and faring in Nigeria. How can fulani herdsmen claim land? Land is the least of their worries and land ownership in not in their culture - they use land , die and leave it no fulani herdsman own land for your information.They dont want to.It is funny how some southerners think that because they are "educated" then they must rule everybody - nonsense.Governance is representation. It is not a school. "Out of school you are judged not by your gades but by the promises you keep and by the changes you bring". I want you to recite that at all times youngman. By the way the most highly educated president Nigeria has Phd Jonathan is also the worst performing leader in our history- how about that? @Yujin
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@Yujin
@Darui
@re@lchange

The poster is right and very sensible in his assessment but there are people with a mindset of being from faultlesss tribes and must heap blames on a perceived opresssor tribal or religious group and that will not support any progress. It is true that when it comes to power , patronage and corruption a group of people comprising of all tribes share the power and the loot but when it comes to aportioning blame , the tribal warriors come out in full force to show how saintly and how deprived their tribes were/are. Tafawa Balewa's government of NNA(Nigerian National alliance) was a coalition government of NPC and NCNC untill the igbo majors first and most violent coup in Nigeria in 1966. Gowon in his government depended very much on people like Awolowo, Akinwele Way, Col. Adebayo and the few like Mobolaji Johnson who became rich despite the credibility of the majority in those times. In Murtalas government was infact carried on by his deputy Osanjo, Philip Asiodu (later Uzoma Onyi of Asaba) was an important technocrat guiding both Murtala and OBJ. Shagari had Alex Ekweme IBB worked with Aikhomu and Falaye at the Highest level with Richard Akinjide dispensing justice and the most powerful party chairman ever in Nigeria, Akinloye giving guidance to the party and the whole country.Abatcha had Diya and Akhibe. Obasanjos democracy had Atiku and others and Yar Adua came with Jonathan and you know who the ministers were. At the moment we have Jonathan ,Sambo and Pius Ayim. So what has the seasonal fisherman in Argungu or the peasant farmer in Jigawa got to do with governance and money?
My friend Yulin went on to talk about fulani herdsmen without any current or historical knowledge of animal rearing and faring in Nigeria. How can fulani herdsmen claim land? Land is the least of their worries and land ownership in not in their culture - they use land , die and leave it no fulani herdsman own land for your information.They dont want to.It is funny how some southerners think that because they are "educated" then they must rule everybody - nonsense.Governance is representation. It is not a school. "Out of school you are judged not by your gades but by the promises you keep and by the changes you bring". I want you to recite that at all times youngman. By the way the most highly educated president Nigeria has Phd Jonathan is also the worst performing leader in our history- how about that? @Yujin
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@Yujin
@Darui
@re@lchange

The poster is right and very sensible in his assessment but there are people with a mindset of being from faultlesss tribes and must heap blames on a perceived opresssor tribal or religious group and that will not support any progress. It is true that when it comes to power , patronage and corruption a group of people comprising of all tribes share the power and the loot but when it comes to aportioning blame , the tribal warriors come out in full force to show how saintly and how deprived their tribes were/are. Tafawa Balewa's government of NNA(Nigerian National alliance) was a coalition government of NPC and NCNC untill the igbo majors first and most violent coup in Nigeria in 1966. Gowon in his government depended very much on people like Awolowo, Akinwele Way, Col. Adebayo and the few like Mobolaji Johnson who became rich despite the credibility of the majority in those times. In Murtalas government was infact carried on by his deputy Osanjo, Philip Asiodu (later Uzoma Onyi of Asaba) was an important technocrat guiding both Murtala and OBJ. Shagari had Alex Ekweme IBB worked with Aikhomu and Falaye at the Highest level with Richard Akinjide dispensing justice and the most powerful party chairman ever in Nigeria, Akinloye giving guidance to the party and the whole country.Abatcha had Diya and Akhibe. Obasanjos democracy had Atiku and others and Yar Adua came with Jonathan and you know who the ministers were. At the moment we have Jonathan ,Sambo and Pius Ayim. So what has the seasonal fisherman in Argungu or the peasant farmer in Jigawa got to do with governance and money?
My friend Yulin went on to talk about fulani herdsmen without any current or historical knowledge of animal rearing and faring in Nigeria. How can fulani herdsmen claim land? Land is the least of their worries and land ownership in not in their culture - they use land , die and leave it no fulani herdsman own land for your information.They dont want to.It is funny how some southerners think that because they are "educated" then they must rule everybody - nonsense.Governance is representation. It is not a school. "Out of school you are judged not by your gades but by the promises you keep and by the changes you bring". I want you to recite that at all times youngman. By the way the most highly educated president Nigeria has Phd Jonathan is also the worst performing leader in our history- how about that? [b]@Yujin

shymmex:

I quoted this from a fellow NL poster @Godman_n. I find his post very insightful and thought provoking - please let's debate this post WITHOUT tribal bashing.

Thanks.

Stupid,

You started your post attacking Yoruba people and you don't want tribal bashing.

Nonsense.

@nagoma.
Haha, you are trying to pass the buck. Naming people that worked with your leaders. Well,if you have worked in any structured organization, you will know that the leader takes the praise and the blame. if a leader takes the wrong advice and implements it,he's a bad leader. It does not matter whether he did not know the information was faulty. Especially when the fates of millions depends on your decision. I am not a tribalist as you accused me,infact if anything you are the tribalist. I won't shy away because this issue falls within the constructive criticisms and tribalism grey area.
And yes,the educated people deserves to lead,any sane society will tell you that. Everyone should be represented but not everyone leads! The PHd you unfortunately criticized should be admired by all of us. I disagree with your assessment of the present administration. Its not the worst neither is it the best. The jury is still out.
Do me a favour,tell your leaders to share our vision of a prosperous,peaceful,harmonious and a superpower nation. Properly educate your people in the Quranic and scientific methods. Not the rote learning you call education.