chuks49: @ivynwa 4 d weapons of our warfare re not canal, they re mighty in d pulling down of stronghold. As 4 d cuttlass man need defend himself against d spirit of boko, if u call haram na u sabi.

Ivynwa:

.....The big question should be why is the Catholic church not allowing these men to have their wives and children, do they like all these sad stories dainting their image? These men are human and will forever have urges like human so why don't they be legally allowed to have spouses so that they can channel that energy good instead of affecting/ruining the lives of others with it.Only a person that knows in his/her heart that they want to dedicate their body and soul to the service of God should be allowed to do that in truthfulness not every person rushing to go be a reverend father and sister and make his mother and father proud and become the talk of the neighbourhood etc. The truth is sometimes bitter but the truth will always be the truth dearie.....

Ivynwa:

Please where is the false thing in what Seechris said? He didn't generalize----he said that some priests do not and he did not lie. I was born into a catholic home, grew up as a catholic choir girl(all round churchy yet I grew up and made decisions for myself and chose the mode of worship I prefer). I always defend the catholic church because i still consider it my mother/home-church but what this person said right now and right here is the truth girlfriend. Some of those guilty priests should be ashamed of themselves and stop soiling the catholic church, they feed on the church and do all kind of rubbish---if it is not so-do-m-izing children, it is women. One of them came clean the other day and fessed up to having a child somewhere and wanting to leave priesthood to go be with his family (the church was not happy that this same child has been reared with church goer's money). Two priests killed themselves (i think they hired people to do the job) in Southern America recently because they have been so-d-o-mizing themselves and got scared after they [/b]discovered they both have HIV. I guess i shouldn't give more examples so as to cover us up a bit.

The big question should be [b]why is the Catholic church not allowing these men to have their wives and children, do they like all these sad stories dainting their image? These men are human and will forever have urges like human so why don't they be legally allowed to have spouses so that they can channel that energy good instead of affecting/ruining the lives of others with it.Only a person that knows in his/her heart that they want to dedicate their body and soul to the service of God should be allowed to do that in truthfulness not every person rushing to go be a reverend father and sister and make his mother and father proud and become the talk of the neighbourhood etc. The truth is sometimes bitter but the truth will always be the truth dearie.

Yet it is humans like these that some people worship and adore as pastors and almighty priests. Respect the man of God, yes but don't worship, adore, allow him/her run your life or dictate your future/pace/family with his own loads of imperfections heaving down his shoulder----that is what we are saying that people should begin to do and quit being deceived by some bad persons in the name of religion.

Ogamgil: Do not criticize a fellow christian or judge them you criticize the law and judge it. If u judge d law, them u are no longer one who obeys the law, but one who judges it. GOD is the only lawgiver and judge. He alone can save and destroy. WHO do You think you are to judge someone else. James4 11-12. He who is holy should caste the first stone. Touch not my anointed and lay my prophet on harm. All this are written in d bible its better my Fellow christians 2 adhere 2 his word.

numo86: @poster....is it d university education that matters more or d basic understanding of d scriptures??
All those clerics u claimed read medicine,philosophy,sociology and d rest,how has it rilli helped them understand d bible
D apostles were barely learned men..they were ordinary men that understood d mosaic law and later were inspired τ̣̣̥
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pen down d greek scriptures...
My pointworldly education has notin τ̣̣̥
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serve as an overseer in a congregation...reading d bible daily and applying what is learnt is what qualifies 1...1timothy 3:1-10 shows us those qualifications......
After all it is still this same learned clerics that still can't understand that homosexuals will not inherit Gods kingdom..we have gay priests and bishops in the top churches today..didn't there theological schools teach them what God hates??...these are d same clerics that still can't understand that true christians shouldn't engage in wars.......
All there going τ̣̣̥
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d university and theological schools barely teach them that.....
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images and worship them and claim they are just honouring it.....
Study d lives of d apostles and early christians and understand that it is not ur education dat matters,it is allowing d holy spirit help us with thorough understanding and also giving us d strength τ̣̣̥
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apply what we learn........

Ivynwa: I'm going to be watching this thread and be having a good laugh,
the title already told me that it will have ribs cracking.

SegzyJoe: Your mistake is to think that academic qualification could substitute for anointing. Unfortunately, God is not looking for the qualified, He only need the available. It is the same way and reason why Jesus looked for the uneducated like Peter and others who were shine lights at the expense of the well read, learned Pharisees, Sadducis among others. God looks for those that make themselves available, the weak, illiterate, even the mr nobody. God likes to use nothing to bring out something. That is why it pleased God to use the simplicity of the gospel to save mankind, instead of subjecting salvation to rigorous academic and intellectual debates. Qualification to be a pastor is not about academic pedigree, it is about the book of life, the bible and the Holy Spirit.

SegzyJoe: Your mistake is to think that academic qualification could substitute for anointing. Unfortunately, God is not looking for the qualified, He only need the available. It is the same way and reason why Jesus looked for the uneducated like Peter and others who were shine lights at the expense of the well read, learned Pharisees, Sadducis among others. God looks for those that make themselves available, the weak, illiterate, even the mr nobody. God likes to use nothing to bring out something. That is why it pleased God to use the simplicity of the gospel to save mankind, instead of subjecting salvation to rigorous academic and intellectual debates. Qualification to be a pastor is not about academic pedigree, it is about the book of life, the bible and the Holy Spirit.

Jakumo: As an ordained minister with Our Lady of Divine Debauchery Celestial Church, I can help you out with a few tips, but it will cost you serious money, thank you Jeeesus.

To whet your appetite for more details, I will for now list but a few of the pre-requisites you will need to become a Man of the Cloth, Nigeria-style.

1. You must feel completely at ease claiming ALL the monthly salaries of even the most destitute members of your congregation, under the pretext of saving their souls. In the same vein, you must be prepared to threaten God's most severe punishments for those reluctant to pay up. Those Holy Sanctions may include the vigorous public floggings of tightwads, administered by church orderlies acting under your instructions as relayed from God, while the wives of less serious offenders might be punitively boned per plea-bargin compromises. Shout Hallelujah with me now, please.

2. You must be prepared to hold private midnight prayer sessions and VIGILS for married female members of your congregation who seek your spiritual help to get pregnant, during which you will be expected to impale their Mounds of Venus with your throbbing Holy Septer, so as to get them knocked up in the name of Jeeesus, amen. Thank you Lord.

3. Un-married female church members of between 18 and 23 years old must be taken regularly for Holy Bathing, Baptisms, Silken Thighs and Wonders beside the nearest river you can find. The wenches will of course be required to strip down to their birthday suits, enabling you to administer the Laying on of Hands and Anointing of Golden Globes, all the while Speaking in Tongues between the luscious thighs of those bathing girls, in order that their sinful souls be saved in righteous glory, even as you get your rocks off in the name of the Holy Ghost.

4. You must live LARGE, as you grab more wealth from your congregation, by acquiring the latest S-Class Mercedes available, living in the most expensive neigborhoods worldwide, and ultimately purchasing a private jet, which is absolutely necessary for those personal appointments with Jeeeesus in heaven.

5. Most importantly of all, you must be prompt and loud, in accusing of blasphemy ALL who question your lifestyle, thus foolishly earning themselves eligibility for Divine Retribution, normally prompted by making payments to hit-men detailed to liquidate enemies of God in a hail of Holy Spirit gunfire. Let there be light, that they might knowest thine wrath, Oh Lord.

For the above nuggets of privileged information, I expect a check for $1,000 USD to be sent to me right away. Praise the Lord !

seechris:

And after 8years in the seminary they come out like starved hyenas preying on innocent girls and drinking for the lost years,feeding fat on the church welfare just to recite some quotes from a book durin the mass every sunday! Its all bullsh except for a selected few.

Ogamgil: I pity u 4 what u hav said. Let me just say its ignorance that made u commit such heresy. Better bend down on ur knees and beg God 4 forgiveness before the rot of God befalls u.

Ivynwa:

Please where is the false thing in what Seechris said? He didn't generalize----he said that some priests do not and he did not lie. I was born into a catholic home, grew up as a catholic choir girl(all round churchy yet I grew up and made decisions for myself and chose the mode of worship I prefer). I always defend the catholic church because i still consider it my mother/home-church but what this person said right now and right here is the truth girlfriend. Some of those guilty priests should be ashamed of themselves and stop soiling the catholic church, they feed on the church and do all kind of rubbish---if it is not so-do-m-izing children, it is women. One of them came clean the other day and fessed up to having a child somewhere and wanting to leave priesthood to go be with his family (the church was not happy that this same child has been reared with church goer's money). Two priests killed themselves (i think they hired people to do the job) in Southern America recently because they have been so-d-o-mizing themselves and got scared after they discovered they both have HIV. I guess i shouldn't give more examples so as to cover us up a bit.

The big question should be why is the Catholic church not allowing these men to have their wives and children, do they like all these sad stories dainting their image? These men are humans and will forever have urges like human so why don't they be legally allowed to have spouses so that they can channel that energy good instead of affecting/ruining the lives of others with it.[/b]Only a person that knows in his/her heart that they want to dedicate their body and soul to the service of God should be allowed to do that in truthfulness not every person rushing to go be a reverend father and sister and make his mother and father proud and become the talk of the neighbourhood etc. The truth is sometimes bitter but the truth will always be the truth dearie.

Yet it is humans like these that some people worship and adore as pastors and almighty priests. Respect the man of God, yes but don't worship, adore, allow him/her run your life or dictate your future/pace/family with his own loads of imperfections heaving down his shoulder----that is what we are saying that people should begin to do and quit being deceived by some bad persons in the name of religion.

Ogamgil: my brother u speak like on who see on importance in education. What do you mean by been a minister of christ or a pastor. It means teacher. How will one be able 2 impact knowledge to another without acquiring the knowledge. U dont expect an ilitterete 2 be a lecturer in a university. People interprete the bible in different ways. The study of theology, philosophy and all ul be able 2 understand the bible better. U said Jesus chose his follows and did not look at education. Yes but jesus kept on teaching them and explainig the bible 2 them. Before giving them the licence 2 go 2 the world and preach the gospel after his death On pentecost day. Practice what u belive in and live others 2 practise what they belive in. Heavenly race is personal. live God 2 judge.

Ogamgil: Do not criticize a fellow christian or judge [/b]them you criticize the law and judge it. If u judge d law, them u are no longer one who obeys the law, but one who judges it. GOD is the only lawgiver and judge. He alone can save and destroy. [b]WHO do You think you are to judge someone else. James4 11-12. He who is holy should caste the first stone. Touch not my anointed and lay my prophet on harm. All this are written in d bible its better my Fellow christians 2 adhere 2 his word.

I think that the question "Who do you think you are to judge someone else?" [/b]which you asked in quote E above was actually you talking to yourself because you are the one silencing people in all your posts here (Quote B,D and E) and almost asking them how they dared speak their opinions.
Your tone is so very aggressive,[b] you even went calling down the wrath/rot of God on poster Seechris (on your quote B above)asking that he better kneel down to ask for forgiveness before the wrath gets unleashed on/befalls him.

odumorun 1:


The Pharisees were not Xtians. They were not excluded because they were educated; they were excluded from the new religion because they did not accept it. The apostles might have been uneducated, although anybody reading the teachings of Peter would be amazed at the breadth of his learning and depth of his intellect. But the emergence of xtianity from a small sect of a few persecuted people to a major doctrine with a mass followership spanning continents owes itself not to the original apostles but to a later convert, Paul, - one of the most educated scholars and most brilliant minds of his day. His prodigious theological output stands testimony to the erudition, learning and intellectual rigorousness that marked the birth of Xtianity. So your attempt to justify the intellectual poverty of modern Pentecostal evangelists in Nigeria by an appeal to a past you seem to know little of is a spurious one with no serious historical parallel. Moreover your argument buttresses rather than betrays my point since most of our current crop of pastors tend to come from the relatively privileged and educated middle class with the mannerisms, aspirations and lifestyles a world away from the carpenters, fishermen and peasants Jesus drew his early disciples from.
One can only imagine the uproar that will engulf many a well heeled church in the affluent suburbs of Lagos if a local fisherman, from Ilaje-ese-odo, or God forbid carpenter from Mushin olosa is introduced as the new pastor. Imagine the pandemonium as the besuited congregation rush for the exit and their gleaming cars in the car park - ‘my God is not a poor God o’ emi o wa church oloshi
If education and learning were Anti Xtian, then why are our churches the most enthusiastic in embracing modern technology created by the greatest rationalist minds of the day – products of a very modern education. There were no microphones in the olden days in Galilee, nor were there laptops in the garden of Edne, neither were there air-conditions or computers nor the internet, not to talk of many an objective of the loud prayers emanating from these mad houses – the latest BMW or Mercedes benz . If modern churches can make use of these great products of the human mind, then they cannot disdain the intelligence that has produced them by claiming their leaders don't require equivalent knowledge to match.
Modern Xtianity is based on the accumulated learning of the past 2000 years, not on what was available in Judea when the gospels were written. The Bible is available because it is printed. Printing is a product of human knowledge and an intellectual application and culture that was not available in Jesus’s days. It is carried across the earth in modern planes and ships not the camels and donkeys used when the religion emerged. Pastors are happpy to take money from debit and credit cards, they send their funds via electronic signal to banks, they cook their food in microwaves and cool them in refrigerators. When they are ill they don't bath in holy water, they go to modern hospitals to be treated by modern Cardiologists, Gynaecologists and Surgeons, and they entertain themselves by watching programmes on the latest thin screen televisions transmitting images from thousands of miles away. They drive nice cars manufactured by brilliant engineers and designers, trained in modern universities.

If they benefit from the fruits of modern education, they cannot refuse to imbibe it by spurious appeals to a bygone age with different mores, traditions and circumstances.

Furthermore there is no evidence suggesting that ill educated Nigerian pastors are of a higher moral standing than their better educated foreign counterparts. Being an illiterate does not make you holier than a man who is read. Not availing themselves of the immense opportunities for self advancement through modern education, while being only too happy to corner the benefits that education has provided society through the efforts of others who have made the effort to secure it can only be attributed to the intellectual indolence so common amongst many in the Pentecostal assemblies who refuse to question their environment, its false assumptions and lazy certainties , who entrench underdevelopment by appealing to the superhuman to eliminate barriers imposed solely by humans. Who by imposing ignorance over knowledge continue a bleak African tradition of importing cheap copies from the west, and then proceed to take it backward even at the same time those who handed it down are taking it forward.
The Japanese and Chinese take copies from the west and develop them; we take copies from the west and underdevelop them - then intensify our prayers to escape from the consequent underdevelopment.
Heaven help us !

Musiwa,:
this is what your orthodox church built in nigeria, apart from oyedepo. do you know any other. while oyedepo church is not even 1/10 the population of some Pentecostal church in nigeria. their own university, my brother, i cant post it on the internet. now shame, them don chop money finish for some Pentecostal church.

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