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| Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by NEWBIN: 8:20pm On Apr 06, 2012 |
Abeg i need very straight answer. in the bible, Jesus often prayed to the father.Could he have prayed to himself? on the cross for instance he said eli eli meaning LORD LORD WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME? IS HE THE SAME AS THE GOD HE CALLS ON? I am confused, help!!!! |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Lenny5000(m): 9:50pm On Apr 06, 2012 |
NEW BIN: Abeg i need very straight answer. Is TIME one? What about an EGG? these are the simply examples I can give. Time is Triune in nature cos we are constantly living in the Past, Present and Future yet it is still one and the same TIME! An Egg has the yoke,white stuff and the back .. If you separate it, each of the part is still EGG and if you leave them together it is still EGG. And so we have The GODHEAD which comprises of Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Three in one Same God, each has a Function! Jesus is the WORD and has all the fullness of Godhead. There is a place in the Bible where God the Father address Jesus as God. Also God the father calls himself "I AM" Jesus also used this same title "Before Abraham was, I AM" You must also understand that while Jesus was on earth he was a full Man! He experienced everything a normal man experiences, so when in turmoil, he prayed to the FATHER, but in Revelations you see Jesus as he is in Heaven, proclaiming himself "Alpha and Omega" Again he said "I and My Father are ONE" And don't forget, he was killed because he claimed to be GOD (The Jews said "We are not stoning you for any of these but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God".. In the beginning The WORD "Jesus" was with GOD "Father" and the WORD "Jesus" was GOD.. (Philippians 2:6 Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God) (Colossians 2:9 says, "...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.) (Jesus forgave sin in the Bible (Matthew 9:2). Only God Almighty can forgive sin) (Jesus accepted the worship of others (Matthew 8:2). Only God Almighty is entitled to receive worship) (The word “Godhead” is found in Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9 in the King James Bible)[color=#990000][/color] Of cause Trinity is mystery but so are so many other things, that was why I use the simply explanation of time and Egg, I hope I made some sense to you... Stay Blessed 7 Likes |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by lepasharon(f): 9:53pm On Apr 06, 2012 |
NO |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by logicboy: 10:11pm On Apr 06, 2012 |
Lenny5000: Time is linear. It moves forward in one direction. It is a fallacy to say that we are constantly living in the past, present and future(We aren't gods of time). We live in the present. As for Jesus being God, it is impossible! If Jesus is really God then, his dying at the cross is just a big lie- God can not die. If I know that I have Resurrection powers, dying is no consequence. It would be like cutting my hair because it would grow again. It's like drinking poison when you have already taken the antidote to counter it. 2 Likes |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by tbaba1234: 11:28pm On Apr 06, 2012 |
Lenny5000: The egg is a terrible example: the egg only exists as one when in the same physical entity: Jesus lived as a separate entity; a human: God exists and the Holy spirit was represented according to christian theologians as a dove at the baptism> those are three totally separate physical entities>> In human experience, that makes absolutely no sense. It is better you stick to your mystery and pauline concepts than try to rationalize it with an egg. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Goshen360(m): 1:07am On Apr 07, 2012 |
The word trinity does not appear in the bible. The word Trinity implies three distinct person that co-exist as one. Hence, you have Tri(three)-nity(unity). This is what it means, three persons is one. This same principle God established in marriage, two shall become one. The mystery of the "Godhead" or "trinity" is not difficult and at the same time cannot be explained with our senses. If we admit in our real life husband and wife being (two different persons) to be ONE, how shall we not comprehend three being one. In other words, we can refer to husband and wife as "twonity or twinity" if you permit my words. They are two but function as ONE. This does not however mean there is no superior between the husband and wife. The husband is the head of the wife, so also it is in the mystery of the Godhead or trinity. Back to the kweshion, Is Jesus God, YES but not the ALMIGHTY GOD. With man as it relates to this context, one and/plus one is two; with God, one and/plus one is one. This is my understanding sir. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by logicboy: 7:07am On Apr 07, 2012 |
goshen360: The word trinity does not appear in the bible. The word Trinity implies three distinct person that co-exist as one. Hence, you have Tri(three)-nity(unity). This is what it means, three persons is one. This same principle God established in marriage, two shall become one. When I was still a catholic, I thought that I could explain the Trinity with my mobile phone- the mobile phone is a calculator, a clock and a phone at the same time. However, that is just rubbish because, the calculator part of the phone can not exist apart from the phone unlike Jesus who can exist apart from God the Father. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by yoji: 8:20am On Apr 07, 2012 |
This is jus absurd. Reason tells us dat the facts of a case naturally leads to its conclusion, but wat defenders of this trinity do is first arrive @ a conclusion, then look for pits and pieces to justify it. Its jus typical of rebellious mankind dat, when d bible says one thing, we turn round and say ours. When d disciples called jesus Good, jesus scolded them sayin, nobody is good but God! Yet someone wants us to blieve otherwise. The same jesus when asked for when d world would end said he didn't know but only God knew, yet someone xpects us to believe otherwise. And dat refernce to him sayin I and d father are one as him being d same entity as God is lame cos its like if ur boss sends u to represent him in a meetin and d other pple @ d meetin insist on seein ur boss, u can say u and ur boss r one in d sense that d message u r bringing is approved by d man they want 2 c as he sent u as a representative. All dat tries to do is get pple focused on d message and not d messenger. It doesn't mean he is d same entity as his sender. So if jesus was God, u mean he created a woman, then incubated himself in his own creation for 9 months?? If he was fully human on earth, wat kept d world togethr? Only someone who despises knowledge will ignore d historical fact dat trinity was a concept formulated long after d death of jesus but constantine to unite d various christian ideologies @ dat time to make his rule easier. Pls google council of nicea 3 Likes |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by procedure: 9:24am On Apr 07, 2012 |
Read about the baptism of jesus. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Image123(m): 12:02pm On Apr 07, 2012 |
Yup, Yes, correct. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by LogicMind: 2:45pm On Apr 07, 2012 |
jesus is the same as god that murderded africans in the river nile but the romans got his azz  |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by isalegan2: 4:37pm On Apr 07, 2012 |
NO. For me, God is separate and distinct from His prophets. BTW, are there any Christian denominations that do not hold to the God/Jesus/Holy Spirit belief? Thanks. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by joyafoma: 12:53pm On Jun 06, 2012 |
NEW BIN: Abeg i need very straight answer. Jesus is not same as Almighty God. In the first place we must understand the meaning of father and son. Father means one who gives life while son means one who receives life- pls see Jn. 5:26. God Almighty created Jesus Christ- Revelations 3:14, Colo. 1:15-17 Eph. 3:9-these portions of the bible makes it clear that Christ was the first creation of God and that through Him God created other things, hence He is called the Word of God. It will therefore be unreasonable to equate or say the creator and His creation are one. The bible tells us that God Almighty has no beginning or end- Ps. 90:2 bt Jesus Christ has a beginning- Jn 1:1-3. Not surprisingly, The above mentioned text is a source of confusion for many. In the beginning was the world and the word was with God and the word was God. In the beginning here refers to the beginning of creation-recall that Christ was the first to be created. Indeed Christ was with God Almighty during the rest of the creation- Prov. 8:22-30. And the fact that Christ is called God is not in dispute, in that He is the Mighty God- Isa. 9:6. However, Christ is not the Almighty God- Gen. 17:1. During the earthly ministry of Christ-recall He was sent to this World by His father God Almighty- He, Christ, never equated Himself to His father. Said he '... I go unto my father: for my Father is greater than I'- Jn. 14:28. On another occasion He said ' i can of my own self do nothing ... Because i seek not my own will, but the will of the father which hath sent me' - jn. 5:30. See also: 1Corr. 11:3, Jn. 13:16, 12:49 etc. That was why He always prayed to His father even before His crucifixion and just before He gave up the ghost- Matt. 26:39, 42 & 44, Jn. 23:34, 46. Mark you, in his prayer to God as recorded in dt account of Matthew, He stated that 'not as i will but as thou wilt' , emphasizing the supremacy of God over him and letting us know that they are separate. Some people get confused over the statement of Christ that 'i and my Father are one'. The oneness here is further elucidate upon in prayer of Jesus as recorded in John 17:1-26. Esp. Vs. 21- that God should make His disciples to be one just as He and God are one. Their oneness is obviously oneness in purpose, otherwise all the disciples will become same entity. The theory by some people that when Christ came to the world, he lost some powers or divinity which then made God who was in heaven more powerful is very funny, novel and has no scriptural backing. God Almighty is uncreated and is indeed Almighty. Jesus Christ, God's son, is the first creation of God and is subordinate to His father as every good son should. Christ is the second in command and is the mighty God, it is only through Him we can get to God- jn. 14:6, 1Tim. 2:5. In the book of 1Corr. 15:24-28, we are told of how God Almighty has given Christ the power to destroy Satan and bring death to an end. There it is stated that after Christ must done everything God has put in His power to do, then he shall hand over the kingdom to God that God may be all in all. It further states in vs. 27 that when they say he hath put all things under Christ, it is obvious that the person that put all things under him is excepted. Then in vs. 28, it is written that when all things shall have been subdued under Him, then shall the son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. What more need I say? Where the doctrine of the sameness and/or equality of God and Christ came from, i know not. But this i know, anybody that teaches what is not scriptural has no light in him- Isa. 8:20. To whom will you likened me, and make me equal and compare me, that we may be alike? Asked God Almighty in Isa. 46:5, 40:18, 42:8. In Jn. 17:3, we are told that 'this is life eternal that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou have sent. And in Jn. 8:31 & 32- 'if ye continue in my words, then are ye my disciples indeed and ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.' 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Image123(m): 1:54pm On Jun 06, 2012 |
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. Jesus Christ is God Almighty. We better believe it if we claim to believe the Bible. understanding it is another matter for mary and martha. No one should expect to completely understand God, it's another realm. Farther than man's realm to animals. yet no animal or dog no matter how intelligent or old understands what we see as simple such as 2+2= 4. It's simply out of its realm, yet true. that we don't understand or know something does not make it untrue. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by billyG(m): 3:28am On Jun 07, 2012 |
What a bundle of confusion! Oh God speak to us all directly and at the sametime from haeven let us hear d truth frm your own mouth not frm any other source. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by LogicMind: 7:56am On Jun 07, 2012 |
billyG: What a bundle of confusion! Oh God speak to us all directly and at the sametime from haeven let us hear d truth frm your own mouth not frm any other source. he can't. sorry. he became deaf and dumb last century. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by dorox(m): 9:00am On Jun 07, 2012 |
If jesus is god why is it that he always sits at rhe fathers right hand and never the other way around? |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Image123(m): 9:58am On Jun 07, 2012 |
dorox: If jesus is god why is it that he always sits at rhe fathers right hand and never the other way around?Jesus is not just god but God. His omnipresence makes it possible for Him to sit anywhere He deems fit. Sometimes sef, He's inside God the Father. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by LogicMind: 10:23am On Jun 07, 2012 |
Image123: so gay! |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by ijawkid(m): 12:24pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
Image123: Did u just hear yaself.... Very lame answer...... Jesus even knows how lame this ur answer is........ Dorox asked an important question and u run around with out answering it.....lol.... Why doesn't Yawheh sometime sit @ Jesus's right hand  ??1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Image123(m): 1:05pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
ijawkid:He does man, He does. The very fact that He is omnipresent proves that He does. Plus, you conveniently ignored the plain scripture that i quoted earlier. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by dorox(m): 1:34pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
Image123:When people say that christ is in them and they are in christ does it make them christ? |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Image123(m): 3:12pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
When people say that christ is in them and they are in christ does it make them christ?Nope, but it shows Christ as omnipresent. So He can be at the father's right or left side. being at one's right hand is a figurative expression by the way. God is on my right hand and i'm also on His right hand. The Lord is my shade on my right hand. Psalm 109:31 For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from those that condemn his soul. It's purely figurative, nothing to do with Jesus not being God. Jesus Himself said "I am Alpha and Omega, the Almighty". And like i said, it's better believed than understood. i can't guarantee your understanding God, but i can guarantee your believing. Believing is the basic requirement in God's realm, not understanding. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Fr0sbel: 3:17pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
God the Father and Jesus Christ are ONE and the SAME. Isaiah 9:6 - "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." 1. Child is Born - Jesus 2. Called a SON - The SON of GOD 3. Government ( universal ) will be on His shoulders 4. He will be called : a)Wonderful Counsellor b)Mighty God c)Everlasting Father d)Prince of Peace. Case closed !! |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by ijawkid(m): 3:48pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
Image123: Please help me explain 1corinthians 15:27 $ 28 How can d alpha and omega subject and hand over a kingdom to Yahweh if he was d almighty God........ If Jesus has a superior can we say he is equal or d same with that person ??If u say Jesus sitting @ d right hand of Yahweh is figurative then u better explain what it realy meant not tell me about omnipotence...... In a kingly setting Jesus sitting @ d right hand of his Father signifies none other thing ,than he (Jesus) being subordinate to his Father...... Didn't u hear Jesus will sit @ d right hand until his Father puts all his enemies under his feet ?And again why is Jesus always sent forth(messanger) and not d other way round ??Or u might wanna find a figurative explanation to that............. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Image123(m): 3:56pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
ijawkid:go and meditate on this, it's also scripture, not my idea. Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by ijawkid(m): 3:58pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
Fr0sbel: God the Father and Jesus Christ are ONE and the SAME. U ran away from titles as prince and son...... How can a son be equal to his Father If Jesus is a prince then some1 else must be the grand King....................... After all Jesus said some1 is greater than he is....... That scripture talked about a kingdom or government resting on his shoulders...... You might ask yourself::::::::: Who gave Jesus that kingdom.... And who appointed Jesus as king of that kingdom I want u too to read 1 corinthians 15:27-29 and tell me wether if Jesus is d same as almighty God or his Father why shuld he hand over this same kingdom mentioned @ isaiah to some1 superior to him and then he himself(Jesus) subjecting himself to the one who gave him d authority and kingship Make ona read 1corinthians 11:3 Jesus can't be d same with his Father,except Jesus lied to us or had amnesia........ From 1corinthians 11:3 if Jesus is d same as his Father,then we are d same as Jesus and then wives are d same as there husband...... 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by ijawkid(m): 4:05pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
Fr0sbel: God the Father and Jesus Christ are ONE and the SAME. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by ijawkid(m): 4:13pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
Image123: If Jesus says he is d alpha and omega its ur duty to find out in what way he's d alpha and omega........ Is it that he is Yahweh or that he is d alpha and omega in another sense.......... If some1 tells u now that Jesus is lucifer u'll run around d whole nairaland telling d person its heresy..... But Jesus himself said he is the bright morning star(lucifer)......... But in another sense...... D title ""alpha and omega"" applies in its own way to Jesus not d way it applies to his Father Yahweh.............. If u ignore 1corinthians 15:27 $ 28 then ur nt willing to face d truth in front of u....... |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Ptolomeus(m): 5:09pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
1. Jesus prayed to God. Jesus belonged to the Jewish religion. 2. Jesus asks God if he has abandoned in the time I needed it most. It shows: a. that God and Jesus are not the same, and that the famous "trilogy" is a mere invention of the Council of Nicea 325 years after Jesus' death. b. May God never really went with Jesus. Jesus believed that was the word of God, but this shows that God did not support Jesus in no time. c. Jews consider Jesus a mere prophet (a title that can be very generous even for those who did not represent God) d. Jesus Christ was not, nor is God. Jesus never said that. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Ptolomeus(m): 5:15pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
Image123: I follow your reasoning: Then when they killed Jesus, killed god. Actually, a god who hung die, humbled, begging, crying and recriminating his father who abandoned him ... It is not the image of a god ... |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ Same As God Almighty?? by Image123(m): 11:32pm On Jun 07, 2012 |
Ptolomeus: what's the image of god that you have. ? 1 Like |
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