alhaji, you have been prancing around like a salah ram over this ur challenge. Show us these your spurious bibles.

@Ricadelide, Pilgrims, Nwando, etc


In addition to what Olabowale said and with regards to the corrupted Injil:

Why do the the protestants have 66 books but catholics 73 books and where do the apocrypha come from?

where are these verses in Revised Standard Version, Good News Bible, New International Bible, Living Bible Versions and other bibles apart from KJV

a.Mathew 17 v 21
(b) mark 11 v 26
(c) acts 8 v 37
(d) Mathew 17 v 21
(e) Mathew 21 v 44
(f) Mathew 23 v 14 etc

Where are the books mentioned in the bible eg books of wars, Jasheer, samuel the seer, book of Nathan the prophet and other books read by the early prophets but are not included in the bible?

Why doesn’t Mark 16:9-20 exist in as many versions of the Bible while it exists as a footnote or between brackets in some other versions? Why was important feature "Ascension" existed at the footnote?



Second part

Christians claimed that Jesus came and ied for their sins, please;

Christians say that "GOD LOST His only son to save us". To whom did God lose Jesus if he owns the whole universe?

If it was agreeable with God’s Majesty to have sons, He could have created a million sons the like of Jesus. So what is the big clear deal about this only son?

Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, when the one on the cross was shouting "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" according to Matthew 27:45 and Mark 15:33?

If God had wanted to save us, couldn’t He have done that without sacrificing Jesus?

God is Just, and justice requires that nobody should be punished for the sins of others, nor should some people be saved by punishing other people. Doesn’t the claim that God sacrificed Jesus to save us because He was Just, contradict the definition of justice?

People sacrifice things they have to get something they don’t have when they can’t have both. Christians say that "God SACRIFICED His only son to save us". We know that God is Almighty; to whom did He sacrifice Jesus?

A real sacrifice is when you can’t get back what you have offered , so what would be the big deal about such a sacrifice if God could recover the same offering? (according to the Christians’ terminology)?

If all the Christians are saved through Jesus and are going to Heaven no matter what they do, then the teachings of Jesus are irrelevant and the definition of good and bad are also rendered irrelevant. If this is not so, then do Christians who believe in Jesus yet do not follow his teachings nor repent go to Hell?

How can Christians take deeds as irrelevant after becoming one when Jesus says in Matthew 12:36; "But I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. For by the words thou shalt be justified, and by the words thou shalt be condemned"?

Christians say that people go to Heaven ONLY THROUGH JESUS, yet Paul says in 1 CORINTHIANS 7:8-16 that the unbelieving husband is acceptable to God because he is united with his wife and vice versa, and their pagan children are also acceptable to God. So people can go to heaven without believing in Jesus according to this.

How come the Bible says that ALL Israel is saved although they don’t believe in Jesus? Doesn’t that contradict the claim in the Bible that the only way to heaven is through Jesus?

According to Christians, those who have not been baptized will go to Hell. So even the infants and babies go to Hell if not baptized, since they are born with an inherited original sin. Doesn’t this contradict the definition of justice? Why would God punish people for sins they never committed?


Third part.

On the mission of Jesus

Without borrowing from other religions and systems, can Christianity provide people with a complete way of life? Since Christianity is limited to spiritual life and does not provide law, how can a society decide which laws are right or wrong?




Have a lovely day

bros Olabo,

olabowale:

@ Recadelide: What do you mean by son; not made or sired? Please, explain.

God made everything through Jesus? Please explain.

Bros, first off, where did i even say that your first statement? i don't recall. Is it another topic-changing gimmick?
However if you want me to explain what the phrase "the Son of God" means, i'd oblige you - it means exactly what it says. There's no need for deliberately misconstruing it. Obviously, God is Spirit. He is not man with flesh and bones that would literally marry a wife in order to procreate and give birth to a literal son. So what is the source of confusion here? Sonship here is spiritual and metaphorical. The Word becoming flesh (John 1:14). It's not even so far-fetched. The fact that Jesus the Messiah is not an ordinary man like Muhammad (saw) is confirmed in your Qu'ran. Don't you know he was born by a virgin? Which ordinary man is born by a virgin? You tell me. Isn't it obvious from his virgin birth that he is "the Word (who) became flesh"? An-an! You people really need Paul to explain things to you. You don't even know your messiah. Here are a few scriptures:
Heb. 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Col. 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
So basically "Son of God" means He is God in bodily form. The second person in the trinity. That is why when the Lord said that, the Jews tried to kill him because they thought he was committing blasphemy by equating Himself with God (see John 10:33). I know this would spark another round of misunderstanding - so let me restate what the trinity means in christianity to preempt another barrage of empty questions - it is ONE GOD existing in three persons. Se e ti gbo? So don't ask me that "if he is God who was he praying to?". There are three persons in the God-head.

As regards your second question, it means just what it says. Who made all things? Is it not God? Who is the Lord Jesus?
All things were made by Him, through Him and for Him. It's a pity you guys deliberately refuse to understand nor accept the trinity. So much for Allah referring to himself as "We".

If the jewish holy book is also christain book, in addition to the gospel, they must not disagree, yes? If they disagree, which then is correct? The one that came first or the one that came later? What did Jesus say about God; One God or how many? What did Moses say about God; One God or many? What did other prophets say about God; One God or many?

This is so funny in so many ways. First, you say “which is correct? The one that came first or the one that came later?” – have you applied that to the Qu’ran? Have you, on the basis of the obvious disagreements of your Qu’ran with everything that went before it now discarded it?
Secondly, is Jesus no longer to be respected? Are his words no longer to be heeded? If you reject the Words of Jesus, are you obeying your Qu’ran?

All that said however, the NT does NOT disagree with the OT, rather it fulfills the OT. The trinity or the God-head is one thing that keeps on baffling you guys – God is ONE God. You won’t find Christians saying that there are THREE Gods – Christianity is a monotheistic religion. So keep your straw man arguement to yourself.
So again, to prevent further re-cyclings, the christian new testament does not disagree with the old, just like the shadow cannot disagree with the real thing, rather it fulfils it. It is however, not the case with the Qu'ran which disregards and disagrees with everything before it.

What did Jesus say about God having any son, or begotten son? What did Moses say about the same Subject? What did any and indeed all the prophets in the Bible, befoer the advent of Jesus say about the same subject?

Again, please listen to your prophet and obey your Qu’ran. Right from Genesis the coming of the Messiah had been prophesied. Go and read your Torah. I don’t want to confuse you the more by showing you the existence of the Lord before Moses or Abraham. The God-head is enough mind-blowing for you already. However, the simple issues are: what did Moses claim to be? What did Jesus claim to be? Are they false prophets? You guys’ case is really pathetic because the Koran clearly demands that you heed the words of the Lord Jesus; here is just one set from Jesus the Messiah, I can give you more:
John 10: 30, 37-38
“I and the Father are one”
“Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Jesus clearly claimed to be God the Son, and the jews weren’t confused (see verse 33). Why don’t you believe and obey Him? By disobeying Jesus, your Messiah, you’re disobeying the Qu’ran. Shikena.

John 5;24; If you crosss over from death to life, then you should not be punished, because you believe, even if you die when performing adultery and any of those evil deeds, right? Your salvation from death is simply the belief and you are free to do whatever, because already has lifted the pen on your record?

Obviously, recycling answered questions is a major tenet of Islamic apologetics. You have asked this question before and I have answered it. Is it really that you can’t understand or you’re just being intentionally dubious?

Matt 1;21: To save his people; where is nigerian yoruba place in this house of isreal? Was not that we hear Jesus saying that he was sent only to this specific people, the jews/lost sheep of the house of Israel? Please explain. Enquiring mind wants to know.

Have you never heard John 3: 16 and other scriptures in the injil? Didn’t it say there that he was sent for the sins of the whole world? Here’s one scripture for explanation:
Rom. 9:8
In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

If Jesus finished everything, right there on the cross, because of the big event, why do you quote to me Jer, rome, Hebrew, corinthians, etc? It should have been enough to stop at whatever jesus said on the crosss, period! Why do we have all these extra in the Bible and not Gospel of jesus, since jesus preached the 'Gospel,' all about the places he went.

Keep churning out irrelevant questions like a broken record. Obviously, you’re not interested in answers. You’d either come back with more irrelevant questions or recycle the same old ones. If I quote scripture to explain things to you – how does that detract from Jesus finishing his work on the cross? If I carry out an act – can I not later explain what I did? All these irrelevant questions are not helping you.

Which Gospel did he preach, the four innthe Bible or another? What is that Gospel, a book he carried or what?

You tell me. Show me the lost injil so I can hear the new gospel. An-an. O ga. Anyways, cheers .

@Ricadelide: I am sure you are a committed christian. I have no problem with any religion, including Hidu, Onisongo, etc!

Innyour entry of Yesterday, we see where you are mentioning to me, about Jesus being the son of God Almighty. I just simply asked you to explain to me, how do you say Jesus is son of God the Almighty? Did God sired Jesus or how? You went about telling me a long story of nothing! I expect it from you, because you are a christian! All your hope is on this empty and unproven idea, that is so weird, it begs all reasonings!

The God Who created all things and gives them their measures is not able to forgive without allowing a sudden and tragic death on an innocent soul? Come on, mister!Yet, as you claimed this person died for you, in the first place, he was scared crazy to die. Even before his arrest, he was begging as if he was not raised for that same purpose. He should have known it all along, because he was sent to do this and he should have been courageous and take it like God, Son of God or both! Then when on the cross, he should not have coward like a person who lacked courage and then finally cried my God, my God why has thou forsaken me!? Forsake, that a word you need to analyse in that last sentence. (All about your dead God here as I try to open your eyes about, is not what we believe in Islam. It is contrary to the Absolute Power of God Almighty!)

Further, you went about your 100% grace and called yourself blessed! Good for you. Later you spoke about repentance and acceptance of 'His son', the great idea you have. Wow! I am shock that you have not seen the direct opposition of the two issues; If truly, you have 100% guaranty to go to paradise, because of your belive, and work is not essential, then what ever you do or dont do should not matter. All you have to do is to simply believe. However, you then turn to repentance and total change of mind and commitment to shun evil and doing good is a must. Thats according to you, in addition to thsi phantom crazy believe in death of an innocent man. Then if the death was 100% coverage, in the first place, why is there a need for repentance? Except that your idea does not make any diddly sense!

In Islam, we do not believe in inheritance of original sin. So from that point on forward, we are under the mercy of God. If a person dies before the age of puberty, like say 2 years old, we do not believe that he will end up in hellfire. But for your original sin wurped idea, that person has no prayer!

Since we follow the last prophet and he confirmed to us that Jesus is a prophet and so is Moses, we follow all of them. We do not discriminate against them. However, we recognise the true nature of jesus. His birth and his miracles as a prophet of God. Unlike you who has a diffrent idea about him, there is no dilltsion in our knowing him. We deal directly and not through any of these noble prophets! Having said that, I want you to understand that Jesus will disappoint you in the day of Judgement. He will not count you as a member of his nation, because he was not sent to you. He was sent only to the house of Isreal. I just dont know how Omo ekaro, ee jire, fits into that! Secondly, you lie against him; calling him what he is not. This is enough to find you guilty in the court of the Most Mighty in Power! Jesus will defend himself against all you atributed to him.

I invite you as one man to another man can do, to the table and fountain of mercy. Do not die except in the state of Islam. Your responsibility of salvation is upon you alone. Do not be deluded.

@ricadelide


Despite the fact that you avoided my questions, I will still treat your response up.

Bros, first off, where did i even say that your first statement? i don't recall. Is it another topic-changing gimmick?
However if you want me to explain what the phrase "the Son of God" means, i'd oblige you - it means exactly what it says. There's no need for deliberately misconstruing it. Obviously, God is Spirit. He is not man with flesh and bones that would literally marry a wife in order to procreate and give birth to a literal son. So what is the source of confusion here? Sonship here is spiritual and metaphorical. The Word becoming flesh (John 1:14). It's not even so far-fetched. The fact that Jesus the Messiah is not an ordinary man like Muhammad (saw) is confirmed in your Qu'ran. Don't you know he was born by a virgin? Which ordinary man is born by a virgin? You tell me. Isn't it obvious from his virgin birth that he is "the Word (who) became flesh"? An-an! You people really need Paul to explain things to you.

Please what of Adam that was created without any father or mother. What do you have to say to that and please is there any verse in the bible that Jesus used the word 'God' for himself?

Christians have been saying that Jesus is one of the three and please:

To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?

Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote him in John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". Didn’t Jesus clearly say that people have never seen God, as it says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which Has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?

Christians say that Jesus was God because he was called Son of God, Son of Man, Messiah, and "savior". Ezekiel was addressed in the Bible as Son of Man. Jesus spoke of "the peace makers" as Sons of God. Any person who followed the Will and Plan of God was called SON OF GOD in the Jewish tradition and in their language (Genesis 6:2,4; Exodus 4:22; Psalm 2:7; Romans 8:14). "Messiah" which in Hebrew means "God’s anointed" and not "Christ", and "Cyrus" the person is called "Messiah" or "the anointed". As for "savior", in II KINGS 13:5, other individuals were given that title too without being gods. So where is the proof in these terms that Jesus was God when the word son is not exclusively used for him alone?

Christians claim that Jesus acknowledged that he and God were one in the sense of nature when he says in John 10:30 "I and my father are one". Later on in John 17:21-23, Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did they give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other five "ones?

Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?

If God is one and three simultaneously, then none of the three could be the complete God. Granting that such was the case, then when Jesus was on earth, he wasn’t a complete God, nor was the "father in Heaven" a whole God. Doesn’t that contradict what Jesus always said about His God and our God in heaven, his Lord and our Lord ? Does that also mean that there was no complete god then, between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?

If God is one and three at a time, then who was the God in heaven when Jesus was on earth? Wouldn’t this contradict his many references to a God in Heaven that sent him?

If God is three and one at the same time, who was the God in Heaven within three days between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrect ion?

Christians say that: "The Father(F) is God, the Son(S) is God, and the Holy Ghost(H) is God, but the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Ghost, and the Holy Ghost is not the Father". In simple arithmetic and terms therefore, if F = G, S = G, and H = G, then it follows that F = S = H, while the second part of the statement suggests that F ¹ S ¹ H (meaning, "not equal". Isn’t that a contradiction to the Christian dogma of Trinity in itself ?

If Jesus was God, why did he tell the man who called him "good master" not to call him "good" because accordingly, there is none good but his God in Heaven alone?

Why do Christians say that God is three-in-one and one in three when Jesus says in Mark 12:29: "The Lord our God is one Lord" in as many places as yet in the Bible?

If belief in the Trinity was such a necessary condition for being a Christian, why didn’t Jesus teach and emphasize it to the Christians during his time? How were those followers of Jesus considered Christians without ever hearing the term Trinity? Had the Trinity been the spinal cord of Christianity, Jesus would have emphasized it on many occasions and would have taught and explained it in detail to the people.

You don't even know your messiah. Here are a few scriptures:
Heb. 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

I wouldnt know why christiands read the truth but avoided admitting same. The above verse is even saying that Jesus would sit at the right hand of God, do we say that he is also. The verse made us to know that God is a quite different from Jesus.

Col. 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
So basically "Son of God" means He is God in bodily form. The second person in the trinity. That is why when the Lord said that, the Jews tried to kill him because they thought he was committing blasphemy by equating Himself with God (see John 10:33). I know this would spark another round of misunderstanding - so let me restate what the trinity means in christianity to preempt another barrage of empty questions - it is ONE GOD existing in three persons. Se e ti gbo? So don't ask me that "if he is God who was he praying to?". There are three persons in the God-head.

I have provided questions on trinity above.

As regards your second question, it means just what it says. Who made all things? Is it not God? Who is the Lord Jesus?
All things were made by Him, through Him and for Him. It's a pity you guys deliberately refuse to understand nor accept the trinity. So much for Allah referring to himself as "We".

The trinity has no basis and if you think it does, I have provided 'something' for you to read. You only need to scroll up and treat.

This is so funny in so many ways. First, you say “which is correct? The one that came first or the one that came later?” – have you applied that to the Qu’ran? Have you, on the basis of the obvious disagreements of your Qu’ran with everything that went before it now discarded it?
Secondly, is Jesus no longer to be respected? Are his words no longer to be heeded? If you reject the Words of Jesus, are you obeying your Qu’ran?

please can you provide the word of Jesus muslims have been rejecting?

All that said however, the NT does NOT disagree with the OT, rather it fulfills the OT. The trinity or the God-head is one thing that keeps on baffling you guys – God is ONE God. You won’t find Christians saying that there are THREE Gods – Christianity is a monotheistic religion. So keep your straw man arguement to yourself.

I dont want to post same questions here but please scroll up to read questions on trinity.

So again, to prevent further re-cyclings, the christian new testament does not disagree with the old, just like the shadow cannot disagree with the real thing, rather it fulfils it. It is however, not the case with the Qu'ran which disregards and disagrees with everything before it.

Please you said that the OT does not disagree with NT, could you please request for sayings of Paul in NT that contradicted that of Jesus and nailed some sayings of Jesus to the cross and that is the more reason christians prefer giving you verses of Paul than that of Jesus because he brought religion to the gentiles and had to change from the normal doctrines of Jesus to his own that would suit the gentiles and in return accepted his doctrines.

Again, please listen to your prophet and obey your Qu’ran. Right from Genesis the coming of the Messiah had been prophesied. Go and read your Torah.

That reminds me. I heard christians saying that it was prophesised in the OT that Jesus would be crucified and resurrect in three days

I don’t want to confuse you the more by showing you the existence of the Lord before Moses or Abraham. The God-head is enough mind-blowing for you already. However, the simple issues are: what did Moses claim to be? What did Jesus claim to be? Are they false prophets?

I have provided questions on trinity. Trinity has no basis and the old church did not accept the doctrine of trinity. Can I have verses on trinity from the OT as preached by the early prophets?

You guys’ case is really pathetic because the Koran clearly demands that you heed the words of the Lord Jesus; here is just one set from Jesus the Messiah, I can give you more:
John 10: 30, 37-38
“I and the Father are one”

If you think that Jesus is God from that verse, please what of this verse in John 17:21-23,where Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. Do we say that they are also God or part of God?

“Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Jesus clearly claimed to be God the Son, and the jews weren’t confused (see verse 33). Why don’t you believe and obey Him? By disobeying Jesus, your Messiah, you’re disobeying the Qu’ran. Shikena.

Muslims do not disobey Jesus and do provide verse(s) where muslims have disobeyed and I have provided verse on your saying that Jesus in God.

Have you never heard John 3: 16 and other scriptures in the injil? Didn’t it say there that he was sent for the sins of the whole world? Here’s one scripture for explanation:
Rom. 9:8
In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

Did he say that he was sent for the sins of the world when he wasnt even sent for the whole world. During his time, he himself had his work limited to the children of Israel but told his disciples to preach the message to the world so that the message of God will be heard in nations. Other prophets too did same and his own is not an exception to have accorded him different status

You tell me. Show me the lost injil so I can hear the new gospel. An-an. O ga. Anyways, cheers .

You are still requesting for the Injil when the truth has been established.

Have a lovely day

combatant:

Please what of Adam that was created without any father or mother. What do you have to say to that and please is there any verse in the bible that Jesus used the word 'God' for himself?

If we assume that God was refered to as the Father in the gospels: John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Those who have the Holy Spirit perfectly understand what Jesus Christ was trying to say . . . but for those who are blind and hardened of heart . . . seeing they will see and not percieve.

combatant:

Christians have been saying that Jesus is one of the three and please:

To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?

To be a son is less than divine FROM THE HUMAN PERSPECTIVE! You cannot understand God by merely using human reasoning. We as humans are regarded as Sons of God, joint heirs with Christ and Saints with God . . . now does that make sense from the standpoint of human reasoning? But that is the way Jesus Christ sees us. You can bang your head on the wall from now till 2090, you will not be able to wrap your mind around it without the help of the Holy Ghost.

combatant:

Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote him in John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". Didn’t Jesus clearly say that people have never seen God, as it says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which Has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?

That is not too difficult to understand. I know for a muslim who sees things in mohammedan it might prove a stumbling block and a rock of offense.
Jesus Christ came in the flesh and NOT as God Himself . . . He shed His glory in the heavens that He might take up sinful flesh and lay down His life for us.
Jesus Christ was refering to the Father in John 5:37 AS God in all His Glory! No one has ever seen God in His glory, even Moses His best friend could not even see His face.

combatant:

Christians say that Jesus was God because he was called Son of God, Son of Man, Messiah, and "savior". Ezekiel was addressed in the Bible as Son of Man. Jesus spoke of "the peace makers" as Sons of God. Any person who followed the Will and Plan of God was called SON OF GOD in the Jewish tradition and in their language (Genesis 6:2,4; Exodus 4:22; Psalm 2:7; Romans 8:14). "Messiah" which in Hebrew means "God’s anointed" and not "Christ", and "Cyrus" the person is called "Messiah" or "the anointed". As for "savior", in II KINGS 13:5, other individuals were given that title too without being gods. So where is the proof in these terms that Jesus was God when the word son is not exclusively used for him alone?

You try so hard to play around with words without reading the message behind those words. The reference to "saviour" in II Kings 5:13 is refering to no less than a champion or a leader or a deliverer . . . all human. Note also that the "saviour" in that verse is written with a small letter "s" unlike the capital "S" used to delineate the divine nature of Jesus Christ.

The word "saviour" is routinely used in English language today . . . does that belittle Jesus Christ's status as the Saviour who died on the cross for our sins? Unlike you however, the jews did not make the mistake of thinking everyone called "saviour" was equal with God. They could clearly note the difference!!
Several people are called "gods" in the bible and in present day english . . . does that mean God does not exist?

combatant:

Christians claim that Jesus acknowledged that he and God were one in the sense of nature when he says in John 10:30 "I and my father are one". Later on in John 17:21-23, Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did they give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other five "ones?

The disciples understood the difference. Unfortunately you dont. . . you read the bible woefully out of context, supposing that you can just pick up one isolated verse and build a doctrine on it.

combatant:

If God is one and three at a time, then who was the God in heaven when Jesus was on earth? Wouldn’t this contradict his many references to a God in Heaven that sent him?

If God is three and one at the same time, who was the God in Heaven within three days between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrect ion?

We all love to say that God is omnipresent and omniscient but very few of us actually believe it. We all believe that God is with each and everyone of us . . . has anyone EVER asked how God can be in 6 billion places at once?
If you, a muslim, believe that God can be with you as well as with your brother and mother at the same time, why do you find it difficult to believe that God could be on earth and at the same time in heaven?

combatant:

Christians say that: "The Father(F) is God, the Son(S) is God, and the Holy Ghost(H) is God, but the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Ghost, and the Holy Ghost is not the Father". In simple arithmetic and terms therefore, if F = G, S = G, and H = G, then it follows that F = S = H, while the second part of the statement suggests that F ¹ S ¹ H (meaning, "not equal". Isn’t that a contradiction to the Christian dogma of Trinity in itself ?

There is no contradiction here save the one that muslims always like to see. The Father is the same as the Son (please read the response of Jesus Christ to the very same question asked by John!), the Son is the same as the Holy Ghost! The Son had to die, resurrect and ascend to heaven before the Holy Spirit (Jesus Christ in the form of the spirit) came back to be shed abroad in our hearts.
REAL christians do not mix this up at all. It is those who are confused and muslims who love to read contradictions into the bible who have problems with the Godhead.

combatant:

If Jesus was God, why did he tell the man who called him "good master" not to call him "good" because accordingly, there is none good but his God in Heaven alone?

He came as the Saviour and the Messiah and they believed Him not. If He had said He was God, Jesus Christ would probably not have lived beyond the age of 8. He would have been stoned for blasphemy!
Remember Jesus Christ's answer to the pharisees . . . Before Abraham was I AM!!

combatant:

If belief in the Trinity was such a necessary condition for being a Christian, why didn’t Jesus teach and emphasize it to the Christians during his time? How were those followers of Jesus considered Christians without ever hearing the term Trinity? Had the Trinity been the spinal cord of Christianity, Jesus would have emphasized it on many occasions and would have taught and explained it in detail to the people.

Their is nothing like a TRINITY, it is the same God manifesting in 3 different offices. A husband, who is also a father to a child and has parents is also regarded as a son.
It is still one and the same person operating in 3 different scenarios. Jesus Christ didnt have to emphasise the trinity . . . He gave us just enough clues to understand the mystery behind it.
But of course those that will be lost will never understand it.

combatant:

Did he say that he was sent for the sins of the world when he wasnt even sent for the whole world. During his time, he himself had his work limited to the children of Israel but told his disciples to preach the message to the world so that the message of God will be heard in nations. Other prophets too did same and his own is not an exception to have accorded him different status

Jesus Christ died for the ungodly not just the Jewish ungodly. I grow tired of having to show blind people the truth.

combatant:

You are still requesting for the Injil when the truth has been established.

allah said it himself that he sent down and confirmed the injil and torah. It is not a claim of christians hoping to damage allah's questionable credibility. Is it too much to ask allah to produce this document he claims to have sent?

@Davidylan: If your God Jesus had declared he was God at youth and then fell under the BRICKS of pure mortals, is that not enough sign that he was not God, all along? Subhanallah. Davidylan, I love you. But you can't get pass the fact that Jesus was an ordinary man? Deal with it, david. Deal with it. Nobody says truth will be a sugarcoated pill. Truth is truth. Jesus was a man. A prophet and nothing more. GOD ALMIGHTY is his Creator and LORD. Take a full dose of that and call me in the morning. Good night, Tiger.

olabowale:

@Davidylan: If your God Jesus had declared he was God at youth and then fell under the BRICKS of pure mortals, is that not enough sign that he was not God, all along? Subhanallah. Davidylan, I love you. But you can't get pass the fact that Jesus was an ordinary man? Deal with it, david. Deal with it. Nobody says truth will be a sugarcoated pill. Truth is truth. Jesus was a man. A prophet and nothing more. GOD ALMIGHTY is his Creator and LORD. Take a full dose of that and call me in the morning. Good night, Tiger.

Alhaji . . . calm down. As long as you have breath in you i pray you see the light and repent of your unbelief.
The Lord had already made mention of your case in one of the books of Peter. To those like you who are unsaved, the miracle of the virgin birth, the implausibility of Christ taking on human flesh just to be the sacrifice for our sins once and for all as Hebrews talks about it . . . remains a stumbling block to you and a rock of offense.

You have a built up impression of who God SHOULD be, what He should be able to do . . . and thus you find it hard understanding that the God who made heaven and earth, gave you breath and the eternal gift of salvation could allow Himself to be crucified by mortal man.
unfortunately . . . God's ways are past finding out, for by searching we canst not find Him. For as the west is far from the east so are the ways of God far removed from us. . .

Alhaji, you need the light of salvation. For without it you will continue to stumble in the pitch black ditch of unbelief.

@combatant,
First off, bros, I didn’t “avoid your questions” I was online for only a short time this morning. I had to go to work.

combatant:

@Ricadelide, Pilgrims, Nwando, etc


In addition to what Olabowale said and with regards to the corrupted Injil:
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All the initial irrelevant statements about bible verses and all have been severally addressed so there's no need for recycling. I'm not a catholic - so quit referring us to catholic bibles and all such stuff.

Christians claimed that Jesus came and ied for their sins, please;

Christians say that "GOD LOST His only son to save us". To whom did God lose Jesus if he owns the whole universe?

What is the reason behind this irrelevant question – first, where did anyone say that God LOST his only son? Please rephrase your question. God GAVE the Son. It’s not like he is missing or something.

If it was agreeable with God’s Majesty to have sons, He could have created a million sons the like of Jesus. So what is the big clear deal about this only son?

You are not in position to dictate what God will do and not do. First, Jesus was not “created” so quit putting up your false statements. Why didn’t Allah create a million prophets to different nations and only sent one to the Arabs?
That said, although Jesus is the Only Begotten Son, through him a lot of us have been adopted as Sons. By God’s special grace, we are all adopted sons through Christ – that is one of the beauties of Christianity: God is our Father.

Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, when the one on the cross was shouting "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" according to Matthew 27:45 and Mark 15:33?

Were you not referred to read the Psalms? If you obeyed that injunction you would have seen that Jesus was quoting David in Psalm 22:1. If he did not want to die on the cross, he could have done many things to prevent it.
Beyond that “why have you forsaken me” as a statement does not even remotely indicate any absence of desire for death. They are two entirely different things. That inference of yours is totally unwarranted.

If God had wanted to save us, couldn’t He have done that without sacrificing Jesus?

Bros, you don’t have a point here. You are NOT in the position of God; you can’t instruct Him as regards how HE chooses to do things. God can do whatever He likes. He chose to do it that way, end of story.
I can explain why the Lord had to offer Himself for mankind – but the request for such an explanation would be phrased differently. You can’t argue by saying God should do this and God shouldn’t do that.

God is Just, and justice requires that nobody should be punished for the sins of others, nor should some people be saved by punishing other people. Doesn’t the claim that God sacrificed Jesus to save us because He was Just, contradict the definition of justice?

This may be true in your own book of justice. But with God it’s just not true. Justice demands that there be punishment for sins, it does not preclude one person from WILLFULLY taking the punishment of another. If it was by compulsion then that would be unjust. But that wasn’t the case. If you read the Torah like you were instructed to do you wouldn’t be saying that. In God’s justice, one person CAN take the punishment for another person’s sins. As far back as the Torah, animals were offered as atoning sacrifices for the sins of men. This was done on a regular basis by the priesthood. This kind of offering was however insufficient. Thus, Jesus came to end the era of continual sacrifices, by willfully offering Himself as the ONE sacrifice.

People sacrifice things they have to get something they don’t have when they can’t have both. Christians say that "God SACRIFICED His only son to save us". We know that God is Almighty; to whom did He sacrifice Jesus?

First, you won’t find Christians phrasing things yet again the way you do. Jesus offered up himself as a sacrifice. Maybe your confusion can be solved with these scriptures:
Heb. 7:27-28
Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
Heb. 9: 13-14
The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God , cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
Heb. 9: 27
so the Christ also, having been once offered in sacrifice in order that He might bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, separated from sin, to those who are eagerly expecting Him, to make their salvation complete.

A real sacrifice is when you can’t get back what you have offered , so what would be the big deal about such a sacrifice if God could recover the same offering? (according to the Christians’ terminology)?

You just keep offering your straw men. The beauty of the whole thing is that death could not hold Christ down – so no matter what he would rise again. However, that said – did Christ recover his life here on earth? The fact that he rose again does NOT negate the fact that he DIED. He DIED, but since death could not hold Him, He rose again. The sacrifice was Christ’s death – did he NOT DIE? Does the fact that he rose again then connote that he did not OFFER HIMSELF? Please look again at that argument of yours.
Beyond that, there's no need for equivocating on the word "sacrifice". The usage of sacrifice here does not mean "to forfeit", it refers to a propitiatory offering.

If all the Christians are saved through Jesus and are going to Heaven no matter what they do, then the teachings of Jesus are irrelevant and the definition of good and bad are also rendered irrelevant. If this is not so, then do Christians who believe in Jesus yet do not follow his teachings nor repent go to Hell?

Why all these strawmen arguments and why the endless repetition and recycling. Where did we say “no matter what they do”? What we said was: your works cannot save you. You can’t get saved by anything you do. Salvation is a free gift.  Except you don’t understand what salvation is and you are relying on the Islamic misunderstanding. Salvation in Christianity is not a mere futuristic event at the point of death; it takes place here on earth. For the christian who abides in Christ, being saved is past tense. It takes place following repentance and acceptance of Christ. Once you are saved, you are delivered from the power of sin and empowered to live a life above sin. Following salvation, one is mandated to live by the Spirit.

How can Christians take deeds as irrelevant after becoming one when Jesus says in Matthew 12:36; "But I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. For by the words thou shalt be justified, and by the words thou shalt be condemned"?

Again, another strawman stemming from a misunderstanding of Christian doctrine – I never did say deeds are “irrelevant after becoming one”. I said they are irrelevant before OR in order to become one. Salvation is not at the point of death. There are two stages in the life of a Christian – before (when one was NOT a Christian) and after salvation (when one becomes a Christian). We are not born Christians. Works done before salvation are dead and unprofitable works. After you are saved however, you must live righteously, and the ability to do this is not by human strength – it is by the grace of God. We are required to do good works after being saved.

Christians say that people go to Heaven ONLY THROUGH JESUS, yet Paul says in 1 CORINTHIANS 7:8-16 that the unbelieving husband is acceptable to God because he is united with his wife and vice versa, and their pagan children are also acceptable to God. So people can go to heaven without believing in Jesus according to this.

Again another misunderstanding – the word there is “sanctified” and it merely means, “set apart for a noble purpose”. It has nothing to do with going to heaven – it only stipulates that in the sight of God, such a marriage and such children are acceptable. No need for the addition of “going to heaven” there when the bible clearly does not teach that.

How come the Bible says that ALL Israel is saved although they don’t believe in Jesus? Doesn’t that contradict the claim in the Bible that the only way to heaven is through Jesus?

Again, reading the bible with the sole aim of looking for contradictions. Unfortunately you won’t find them. Have you read the context of Romans 11? It talks about two kinds of Isreal – the natural Isreal and the spiritual Isreal.
Romans 9: 6-8
It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.
There you can see the definition of the spiritual Isreal being the “children of promise”
Going back to the scripture you quoted here is it in its context:
Romans 11: 25-26
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And SO all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
  "The deliverer will come from Zion;
     he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
ALL ISREAL there refers to both the natural Isreal and the spiritual Isreal. In other words, by the very act of entry of the full number of Gentiles, ALL Isreal is saved.

Now to further bust your bubble:
Rom 11:23
And IF they do not persist in unbelief, they WILL be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
Can you see your misunderstanding? IF the natural Isreal DOES NOT continue in their unbelief, THEN, will they be grafted in. Clearly that verse shows that it is because of their unbelief that they have not been “grafted in”. Again, showing clearly that: THERE IS NO SALVATION OUTSIDE OF CHRIST.

According to Christians, those who have not been baptized will go to Hell. So even the infants and babies go to Hell if not baptized, since they are born with an inherited original sin. Doesn’t this contradict the definition of justice? Why would God punish people for sins they never committed?

I think you really need to stop all these misquoting and putting up of straw men. I’ve obliged you enough. Please show me where it was said that “those who have not been baptized will go to Hell”? Please do so. If you want answers, ask them in the right manner, not by putting up wrong statements that aren’t found in Christian doctrine. Was the robber crucified beside Jesus, who received forgiveness from Him, baptized? What did Jesus say to him?

Cheers .

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM FOLLOWER OF A RELIGION DON MASELO QUOTED AS SAYING THIS. ALL RELIGION PREACHES A FORM OF TERRORISM EXCEPT BUDISM

Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5



Ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free inquiry nor socialize with non Christians:

Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8



Judge other religions for not following Christ:

Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22

Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19

The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7

Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12

False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9

Well.

I hope that its not the catholic blood in you that is trying to give legitimacy to the Inquisition. That aside.

Thank God for Jsus Christ. He is the founder of Christinity and gave us unambigious rules to follow as His followers. Christ said we should Love. He summarised the ten commandments into two al placed on LOVE. So whats all this fuss? He said He who kills by the sword shall die by the sword. He never supported violence.

All those citations of Judge other religions for not following Christ:

Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22

Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19

The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7

Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12

has no basis of racism or killing but just declaring the fact that anybody who does not agree that Christ is the Son of God or that He died for our sins is anti-Christ i.e. against Christ.
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So, Christains are no terrorists bro except you belong to the papal school who are no followers of Christ.

@yeparipa,

yeparipa:

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM FOLLOWER OF A RELIGION DON MASELO QUOTED AS SAYING THIS. ALL RELIGION PREACHES A FORM OF TERRORISM EXCEPT BUDISM

Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

<snip>

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

True, God DOES kill; however God DOES NOT commit murder, neither does He allow us to do so. There is a difference between murder and killing – murder takes place without cause and is premeditated. As regards such the bible is clear:
Deut. 5:17
You shall not murder
Now, having differentiated between murder and killing, as regards killing, it’s not so hard; the God who created all things and owns all things, who GAVE life – does He not have a right to JUSTLY take life away? Even human beings, who did not create life, do kill persons who commit grievous sins against society – as those people are declared harmful to the society in which they live. Does the Righteous and Holy God not have a right to take the lives of or punish (by destroying) those who sin against Him? Does He not have a right to judge people whose lives are harmful to the righteous?
Again, murder is unjust killing – that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about judgment. Please, God has a right to judge those who disobey Him.
The beautiful thing is that, God’s patience towards sinful people is exceeding, and He always waits for people to repent of their ways and do right – that is why even though the people of Nineveh (in the book of Jonah) had sinned against God severely and God had purposed to destroy them, when they repented, God spared them. That is the aspect of the mercy of God coming to the fore – mercy does indeed triumph over judgment (James 2:13).
Furthermore, coming to the new testament, and as mentioned by cgift, God's injunction for us to love everyone, including our enemies, is very clear.

Ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free inquiry nor socialize with non Christians:

Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8

Biding your definition of ‘free inquiry’, Christianity isn’t harmonious with the doctrine of secular humanism as a philosophical mindset. However, it is a different thing altogether and an empty stretch at best to allege that Christians DO NOT “socialize with non-Christians”. The verses you quoted in 2John and Romans were not read in context, and were unrightfully extrapolated to mean what they do not say. Before I address their context, let me make a point from another scripture. In 1Cor 5:9 Paul says not to “associate with sexually immoral people”. If one were to merely pick out that verse and not read the whole context, one who very easily have misquoted Paul. Here’s the full context:
1Cor 5:9-12
I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother BUT is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
Verse 10 there clearly explains the issue as regards non-Christians while verse 11 clearly shows what Paul’s target is: “anyone who calls himself a brother (christian)”. Verse 12 again reiterates that Paul’s concern was NOT with non-Christians – but with those who profess to be Christians whilst their message and/or action contradict their identity.
Now coming back to the scriptures you mentioned in 2John and Romans, here are they in their proper contexts:
2John 7-11
7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
It’s obvious that John was referring, NOT to non-Christians, but to false teachers WITHIN Christianity; who obviously began in Christ (see verse 9) but at a later date developed a false teaching about Jesus Christ (as having not come in the flesh). All through the NT, there are clear injunctions as regards dealing with such people.
The same thing applied to the scripture in Rom. 16:17, from the context – “those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way” – it is clear that he wasn’t referring to non-Christians.
Christianity obviously urges one not to indulge in the sinful activities of non-Christians, however, it DOES NOT preclude Christians from relating with non-Christians.

Judge other religions for not following Christ:

Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22

Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19

The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7

Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12

False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9

It is true that Christianity is exclusive; it makes exclusive (and unambiguous) claims as regards Truth. There is nothing wrong with exclusivity – most practical philosophical leanings do make them – and, most times, abstractions and relativity as regards ultimate truth is just impracticable. I’ve already explained that Christianity does not make it its primary goal to “judge” non-believers (see 1Cor 5:12). That is not to say that by our righteous living we cannot expose (and thereby condemn) the evil that men do (Eph. 5:11, Phil. 2:15-16 and others). Christianity teaches that all men are sinful and in need of repentance. However it does not call all unbelievers antichrists. I’d just give one example for space. Here is your reference to 1John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.
It would have likewise been good to note what was said prior to this in verse 19.
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
I guess your misrepresentation should be fairly obvious to you.

All in all, you’re grossly misinformed. Hopefully, you’d read the bible for yourself rather than allow other people’s (or perhaps your own – I don’t know) prejudices to becloud your judgment on scriptures that are very plain. Cheers .

@Ricadelide: Paul this, Paul that! haba, my brother! Is there anything Jesus himself said? You people are using his name to cover your religion. Yet you use, almost exclusively another man's writing to define that religion!

Wow. The Aborishas are even ashamed to use Onishogos ideas of worship rituals to conduct their own worship. Yet, recadelide, you do not open your minds eyes to see how far away you have missed the mark of reality! Jesus has nothing, zero, zilch, nada, to do with christianity. Even if you change your religion name to Christ or Jesus or Messiah. This will still not help the case with God ALmighty. The case of Jesus with his Creator is already defined, before Jesus was created. Stop all the nonsense.

olabowale!
How you dey? Can see you're busy in here again

olabowale:

@Ricadelide: Paul this, Paul that! haba, my brother! Is there anything Jesus himself said? You people are using his name to cover your religion. Yet you use, almost exclusively another man's writing to define that religion!

The boldened: On what? Jesus said and did everything! What exactly do you want?

olabowale:

Wow. The Aborishas are even ashamed to use Onishogos ideas of worship rituals to conduct their own worship. Yet, recadelide, you do not open your minds eyes to see how far away you have missed the mark of reality! Jesus has nothing, zero, zilch, nada, to do with christianity.

Fine! Paul is a torn in your side. Good for you. You can do nothing about it but to help you, post one thing that Paul said that you think contradicts the tachings and the sayings of Christ. If there is any, then I will stop countering your arguments immediately and reduce the security alert level I have placed on Moslems.

To however show your forgtfullness, why do you then reference the hadiths knowing fully well that all the sayings are not of Mohammad? You can see how inconsistent you are.

olabowale:

Even if you change your religion name to Christ or Jesus or Messiah. This will still not help the case with God ALmighty. The case of Jesus with his Creator is already defined, before Jesus was created. Stop all the nonsense.

Tell me how you think the followers of Jesus of the quran (not the bible this time) should behave. I want to know. What should they be called also?

When I showed him the words of Christ in the gospel of John,he asked me for proof that Christ wrote them.

No offence, but Muslims argue very ignorantly.
How can he ask me to prove that Christ said what the Bible says yet he has no problems accepting that the Koran literally was penned by allah and thrown down from the skies.

The Bible was written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
From Genesis to Revelation,I believe it.
There is nothing any doubting Thomases can do about it.

Why struggle to prove the authenticity of Muhammad in the pages of the same Bible they claim to be corrupted.
Christians don't make a case for Christianity through the Koran.
It is so irrelevant to us and the message of salvation.
It's words (the Koran) are no more important than the recycled paper it's printed on

Thank God that 6 million African Muslims come to Christ yearly despite the threat on their lives.
That is the power of God and allah can do nothing about it.
To Him be all the Glory and Honour forever.

olabowale:

@Ricadelide: Paul this, Paul that! haba, my brother! Is there anything Jesus himself said? You people are using his name to cover your religion. Yet you use, almost exclusively another man's writing to define that religion!

Wow. The Aborishas are even ashamed to use Onishogos ideas of worship rituals to conduct their own worship. Yet, recadelide, you do not open your minds eyes to see how far away you have missed the mark of reality! Jesus has nothing, zero, zilch, nada, to do with christianity. Even if you change your religion name to Christ or Jesus or Messiah. This will still not help the case with God ALmighty. The case of Jesus with his Creator is already defined, before Jesus was created. Stop all the nonsense.

wonders shall never cease.
I know Paul is your number 2 enemy after the Saviour of mankind.
Honey,deal with it
As you can see,it ain't changing.

Even if you come up with your own Bible edition and delete Paul from it.
It would not change a thang!

Pilgrim, Davidylan, Nwando, Recadelide, cGift
as part of the body, I am proud of you all! I applaud all your responses and give u props for obeying 1 Pet 3
Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.

Jesoul thanks fot the kind words.
Read these words from a Nigerian born Muslim,Aisha.
she needs prayers for continued guidance.

The stage was set and I began to read the bible I realised that the teachings of Jesus were much better but I still thought of the bible as corrupted, it was at this juncture that I realised that Muhammed actually borrowed a lot from this “corrupted book”, most of the good things he said can be found in the New Testament. I dropped my veil and became a xtian.

@Nwando

When I showed him the words of Christ in the gospel of John,he asked me for proof that Christ wrote them.

Sure. Can you beat your chest to it that the very chapter was written according to Jesus\ instruction.

No offence, but Muslims argue very ignorantly.

But you christians have been arguing blindly.

How can he ask me to prove that Christ said what the Bible says yet he has no problems accepting that the Koran literally was penned by allah and thrown down from the skies.

Thrown down from the skies!! I can now see that you have no knowledge of what you are typing.

The Bible was written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

According to 2nd Timothy 3 v 16 huh? Do we say the bible was inspired. Please I need yes or no answer

From Genesis to Revelation,I believe it.

But you have not been quoting Gospel according to Jesus

There is nothing any doubting Thomases can do about it.

Ignorance is a disease and I pray you do not die in your ignorance.

Why struggle to prove the authenticity of Muhammad in the pages of the same Bible they claim to be corrupted.

Sister, stop denying the truth. Has it been corrupted, yers or no?

Christians don't make a case for Christianity through the Koran.

Too bad

It is so irrelevant to us and the message of salvation.

Are you referring to the bible?

It's words (the Koran) are no more important than the recycled paper it's printed on

You are amusing me. Have you pondered on the origin of your bible and where different versions are coming from?

Thank God that 6 million African Muslims come to Christ yearly despite the threat on their lives.

The road to destruction is wide and many people will be following it while tha leads to eternal life is very narrow and you would be seeing few people there.

That is the power of God and allah can do nothing about it.

Father forgive her for she does not know what she is typing.

To Him be all the Glory and Honour forever.

I will continue praying for you.

Maa Salam

Q2, V2-7

This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.

3. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;

4. And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.

5. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.

6. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).


this is to all Muslims. why the hell do u bother with all these arguments that will not serve any purpose

Q2, V2-7

This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.

3. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;

4. And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.

5. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.

6. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).


this is to all Muslims. why the hell do u bother with all these arguments that will not serve any purpose

combatant:

@Nwando
Sure. Can you beat your chest to it that the very chapter was written according to Jesus\ instruction.

Jesus NEVER instructed anyone to write or in how to write the books of the bible. Jesus Christ has given each and everyone of us the freewill to act as either our fallen nature or the Holy Spirit leads us. The books of the bible were inspired by His spirit IN the hearts of those who wrote the books that make up the bible. There was no code of conduct telling them what and how to write.

combatant:

According to 2nd Timothy 3 v 16 huh? Do we say the bible was inspired. Please I need yes or no answer

You dont need a yes or no answer . . . because the scriptures are of no value to you just as jewels are of no value to a pig no matter how loudly it asks for a yes or no answer to whether jewels are expensive or not.
The bible was and is inspired by the Holy Spirit because the WORD is CHRIST Himself. For the word became flesh . . . pls read the first book of John.

combatant:

You are amusing me. Have you pondered on the origin of your bible and where different versions are coming from?

there are no different versions. Only the versions muslims wish to see.

combatant:

The road to destruction is wide and many people will be following it while tha leads to eternal life is very narrow and you would be seeing few people there.

This quote is not to be found in the hadith or quran. It is a quote that is lifted wholy from the very same bible you claim has been corrupted, unispired by the Holy Ghost and written down by mere mortals. How then can you quote it without exposing yourself as a hypocrite?
Where did allah tell you that there is even a road to eternal life? How can you talk of "eternal life" when your very prophet was unaware of it as he lay dying?

combatant:

Father forgive her for she does not know what she is typing.

Another quote lifted directly from the very gospels you claim has been lost or corrupted. Why do muslims speak from both sides of the mouth? Where in the quran did allah claim to be able to forgive you ur sins?

combatant:

I will continue praying for you.

the same incantations you've been reciting for donkey yrs?

combatant:

Father forgive her for she does not know what she is typing.

Are you a recent convert to Islam? I thought muslims don't refer to Allah as "Father". Or am i wrong?

_{At least from Bilquis Sheikh's book that was one of the inferences I made}

Or are you jokingly trying to mimic the words of Christ on the cross?
Anyways, cheers

thanks Ricadelide for pointing out that glaring islamic error.
Muslims are but slaves to allah and even they themselves never forget to tell us that allah begot no one so how could combatant be calling him "father"? It must have been a typo.

combatant:

Father forgive her for she does not know what she is typing.

ricadelide:

Are you a recent convert to Islam? I thought muslims don't refer to Allah as "Father". Or am i wrong?

Lol. . . oga ricadelide Na wah! Wetin we no go see again? No be today Islam begin the art of plagiarism! Muhammad heavily borrowed from the BIBLE. . . e join Arabian tales sef. . . then now we're seeing how our dear Muslim friends are borrowing terms from the Bible to refer to 'Allah' as FATHER!!

I wan quench with laff for here!

But it's well! May they not live on a "borrowed" or "plagiarized" salvation! I pray they come to experience the REAL saving grace that God offers in Christ!

Lol . . . i dey wonder sef say maybe him be recent convert; almost half of his posts were paraphrased from the bible (*exaggeration *).
My guy don do too much reading of the bible in order to find fault; the thing don stick for him mind, no gree commot.

BTW, welcome back to the land! Hope you tore your exams? We say make we try small until you come. Hereby formally handover
_{e no easy to dey too post for hia - soso wahala}
Cheers .

@Pligrim.1: Whre is the borrowing of the Bible enters Qur'an? Please quote, chapter and verse. Just one.

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Pligrim.1: Whre is the borrowing of the Bible enters Qur'an? Please quote, chapter and verse. Just one.

No jokes - dem plenty! I'm serious - and I'll oblige you a few on one condition: as soon as you begin to back up your assertions with "quote, chapter and verse", you will read answers to your request. Besides the many assertions you've made, I'm still interested in the one you made regarding Jesus "YELLING".

@ricadelide,

ricadelide:

My guy don do too much reading of the bible in order to find fault; the thing don stick for him mind, no gree commot.

Hehe. . . that is why we don talk say make them no take Bible play!

ricadelide:

[font=Lucida Sans Unicode]BTW, welcome back to the land! Hope you tore your exams?

Well, God dey! The thing take style hard! _{Engineering Maths and pilgrim.1 no dey ever agree!} I'm glad to be on a short break though.

ricadelide:

We say make we try small until you come. Hereby formally handover

Haa! Make una never handover yet O! Na play I find come here O!

However, I was hugely impressed to read the way you guys held the discussions in the various threads! May God bless una plenty!

davidylan:

Jesus NEVER instructed anyone to write or in how to write the books of the bible. Jesus Christ has given each and everyone of us the freewill to act as either our fallen nature or the Holy Spirit leads us. The books of the bible were inspired by His spirit IN the hearts of those who wrote the books that make up the bible. There was no code of conduct telling them what and how to write.

You don't need a yes or no answer . . . because the scriptures are of no value to you just as jewels are of no value to a pig no matter how loudly it asks for a yes or no answer to whether jewels are expensive or not.
The bible was and is inspired by the Holy Spirit because the WORD is CHRIST Himself. For the word became flesh . . . please read the first book of John.

there are no different versions. Only the versions muslims wish to see.

This quote is not to be found in the hadith or quran. It is a quote that is lifted wholy from the very same bible you claim has been corrupted, unispired by the Holy Ghost and written down by mere mortals. How then can you quote it without exposing yourself as a hypocrite?
Where did allah tell you that there is even a road to eternal life? How can you talk of "eternal life" when your very prophet was unaware of it as he lay dying?

Another quote lifted directly from the very gospels you claim has been lost or corrupted. Why do muslims speak from both sides of the mouth? Where in the quran did allah claim to be able to forgive you your sins?

the same incantations you've been reciting for donkey years?

when he lay dying in the arms of his child-bride
Honestly,I don laugh tire.ha ha ha.
This combatant fellow is truly hilarious.
david,remember the word you had coined for people like him.
Islamobaptists
Muslims that quote the Bible _{mohammedantly}
I hear they now hold crusades and talk of glory!!
They even hold Sunday services now to prevent their youths from being tempted to attend a Church.
I hope allah is aye OKAY with all these new trends.

nwando:

This combatant fellow is truly hilarious.
david,remember the word you had coined for people like him.
Islamobaptists

Lol. . . abi na 'Hehe' I go laff sef! You guys are really cracking me with laughter!

nwando:

Muslims that quote the Bible _{mohammedantly}
I hear they now hold crusades and talk of glory!!

Dem go borrow everything finish - including "grace".

nwando:

They even hold Sunday services now to prevent their youths from being tempted to attend a Church.
I hope allah is aye OKAY with all these new trends.

Well, some enlightened Muslim apologist will show up soon to give us situational report on that!

They have to keep coming to the bibe because their prophet referred them to it whenever they are confused