@buzugee


Well of course the property of a man and woman is different, doesn’t mean that in which you may have an advantage in grants you superiority and vice versa.

buzugee: Why you cant learn to play your position ?

Why won’t you think outside the book box?

My dear sexist fiend, these are the roles people and “god” have been programmed to assume. One could very well subvert these definitions or better yet divorce from the conditioning. I’m not trying to relegate or empathise with a particular sex so don’t get tetchy with me because I’m picking apart your ego construct.

There is hierarchy in creation.

In creation the order has a feminine disposition. So it’s rather ironic that the creator in which you call Yahweh allegedly ordained man as the pinnacle creation even though nature by form and expression is feminine unless the identity of the creator or god was manipulated to propel the ego and promote a particular demographic. In this similar fashion that’s how some used the ambiguity of this entity to promote their “race”.

As People deliberate on the masculine characteristic of this uncertain god one may also consider the feminine metaphors attached to our immediate environment as an equivalent. We use expressions such as: Mother Africa. Mother Earth. Mother Nature. Mother Universe.
It’s certainly not random. The earth has masculine and feminine qualities but within the feminine comes the male and female even when you were at your most basic level in the womb you were expressed in the female form. Women are your balance not your subordinate. You can start hyperventilating if you want.

you are an anarchist. thats what you are. somebody pass me the sword. OFF WITH HER HEAD

LOL

In my father's village there's a saying . . .a man that uses a weapon to fight is not a man

mkmyers45: Anyway right from the name 'Woman'. Women have been relegated to a sub-role so potraying God as a 'weak woman' will be termed abberation. its only natural that men's ego is even applied when refering to God in all his complexity. esp A nigerian religionist will probably fight you to death if you term God 'she'

I wasn’t actually advocating that “God” be termed “She” I was just analysing the purpose and effects of terming God as “He”.
Besides there are matriarchal societies to consider….so how does an authoritative figure such as god (corresponding to monotheism especially the Abrahamic faiths) get mapped out into such societies?

its only natural that men's ego is even applied when refering to God in all his complexity

Why?

buzugee: i dont even think this has anything to do with ego. it is what it is. the woman was created for the man. its biblical. dunno why emofine is fighting the natural order of things. she may need an exorcism

Worry about your own demons

God is neither male nor female and likewise soul made in the image and likeness of God is neither male nor female.

It is in the creation of the lower worlds that male and female forms were created and every other thing in the lower world have an opposite in order to maintain balance.

Souls come into the lower worlds and put on these forms in order to experience life in the lower worlds. Sometimes it puts on a female form and sometimes a male form. The purpose is to experience life in all its entirety.

Once soul matures and re-enters the pure spiritual planes it becomes neuter in gender again like God, neither male nor female

benodic: God is neither male nor female and likewise soul made in the image and likeness of God is neither male nor female.

It is in the creation of the lower worlds that male and female forms were created and every other thing in the lower world have an opposite in order to maintain balance.

Souls come into the lower worlds and put on these forms in order to experience life in the lower worlds. Sometimes it puts on a female form and sometimes a male form. The purpose is to experience life in all its entirety.

Once soul matures and re-enters the pure spiritual planes it becomes neuter in gender again like God, neither male nor female

so jesus has no balls

emöfine2: @buzugee


Well of course the property of a man and woman is different, doesn’t mean that in which you may have an advantage in grants you superiority and vice versa.



Why won’t you think outside the book box?

My dear sexist fiend, these are the roles people and “god” have been programmed to assume. One could very well subvert these definitions or better yet divorce from the conditioning. I’m not trying to relegate or empathise with a particular sex so don’t get tetchy with me because I’m picking apart your ego construct.



In creation the order has a feminine disposition. So it’s rather ironic that the creator in which you call Yahweh allegedly ordained man as the pinnacle creation even though nature by form and expression is feminine unless the identity of the creator or god was manipulated to propel the ego and promote a particular demographic. In this similar fashion that’s how some used the ambiguity of this entity to promote their “race”.

As People deliberate on the masculine characteristic of this uncertain god one may also consider the feminine metaphors attached to our immediate environment as an equivalent. We use expressions such as: Mother Africa. Mother Earth. Mother Nature. Mother Universe.
It’s certainly not random. The earth has masculine and feminine qualities but within the feminine comes the male and female even when you were at your most basic level in the womb you were expressed in the female form. Women are your balance not your subordinate. You can start hyperventilating if you want.



In my father's village there's a saying . . .a man that uses a weapon to fight is not a man

you do know that the attitude you have now has been hoisted into your spirit because of your backslidden state ? its a form of punishment by the lord on women for them to think and act like they are men. back in the day the women played their position and they loved doing it too. wasnt derogatory to play your position as a woman. the fact that you think it is derogatory is a punishment that the lord put on the backslidden women of today JEREMIAH 32 VS 31 How long will you go about, O you backsliding daughter? for the LORD has created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man. see, woman rights movement is a symptom of a backslidden lost world

emöfine2: “What do images of God tell us about the place of men and women in the world?”

In certain theological constructs God is believed to have no gender (at least in how we understand gender to be) albeit this being is usually referred to in pronouns that favour a particular gender. In many accounts the idea of God and the identity attached to this being exerts much masculine relevance.

One proposed reason as to why God has been in relatively recent times identified as “He” since the popularization of monotheism is perhaps due to the belief that the chief pronoun is masculine thus the employment of such language was solely analogous. However there are gender neutral terms which could instead be employed thus not having to risk alienating a particular demographic. Or could no equivalence be achieved with the inclusion of neutrality?

The projection of God as a “He” makes it seem as though man is the closest that there is to God - granted, more so as an authoritative figure than physical form. Thus how does one translate God's authority in a majorly matriarchal society?


Why is the feminization of God considered as idolatry and not vice versa?
Does the employment of such grammatical gender of a celebrated deity affect how believers regard both men and women?
Does monotheism propel the male ego?

God is a force, he's not some guy sitting on a thrown with a long white beard- he has no shape or form either. Jesus Christ constantly referred to Jehovah god, as "father" (male), not mother (female). The female was a gift from god to man, and many angels (fallen angels) became very jealous of this; and found the female to be extremely beautiful... There is no such thing as female angels. Angels also have no definite form- though when they appear to man, they've always appeared as very attractive men, for 2 reasons.

1. If we saw anything else other than a human form, we'd freak the hell out lol.

2. God, and the angels know mankind more so than mankind knows himself. They know we pay attention to very very attractive people.

This doesn't mean women aren't important, or should be treated as anything less.

paladin86:

God is a force, he's not some guy sitting on a thrown with a long white beard- he has no shape or form either. Jesus Christ constantly referred to Jehovah god, as "father" (male), not mother (female). The female was a gift from god to man, and many angels (fallen angels) became very jealous of this; and found the female to be extremely beautiful... There is no such thing as female angels. Angels also have no definite form- though when they appear to man, they've always appeared as very attractive men, for 2 reasons.

1. If we saw anything else other than a human form, we'd freak the hell out lol.

2. God, and the angels know mankind more so than mankind knows himself. They know we pay attention to very very attractive people.

This doesn't mean women aren't important, or should be treated as anything less.

has an angel ever appeared to you before?

Logic Mind:

has an angel ever appeared to you before?

Maybe who knows, though I definitely don't believe them to look like; what we see in paintings or movies lol

paladin86:

Maybe who knows, though I definitely don't believe them to look like; what we see in paintings or movies lol

So how do you know what they look like?

Logic Mind:

So how do you know what they look like?

Sorry it took so long to respond, was trapped playing some Mass Effect 3 lol.

Angels are spiritual beings, and the spirit has no shape or form. Its like a breath- and is what we truly are, what was put into us by god, and returns to god when the soul (body/life) is no more. Mankind has a defined form, angels do not; and so can appear as anything. Fallen Angels (Demons) do exactly that- to torment, trick, and toy with the soul and spirit of mankind.

When the angels appeared to Lot and his family to warn them, they are described as very beautiful men. They didn't have wings because that would not only have freaked everyone out, but it would have also been mentioned and described in the bible- instead only their beauty was, because they were perfect.

Wings are symbolism in the ancient world- in art, or literature, it means whatever or whoever has them; can be anywhere at anytime, I think that fits angels very well as they are messengers. In Daniel's dream/predictions talking of each empire, Greece, under Alexander the great; is described as a four headed leopard with wings. Swift, ferocious, powerful, all seeing, cunning, and everywhere- quite quickly at that too. The defined, well known, and now modern (man-made) imagery of the angel, due to the beginnings of the Catholic faith; come from the Greek god Eros, or Roman god Cupido- both mean "desire", and angels were pretty desirable in the eyes of men, and women when confronted by a fallen angel that mated with them; men can be molested by fallen angels too.

Though there is no such thing as the female angel, the image comes from the Greek goddess of dawn Eos; or Aurora if you were a Roman. So basically, the female angel is man-made. If female angel existed, then the whole Nephilim thing would be pretty useless to talk about in the bible.

Interestingly though with the Nephilim, is that they are described as "those of fame" or "men of fame". This actually does bring some truth to all of the hero/villain stories (myths) of all different cultures, and even more interesting; is that scholars and archaeologist- have actually discovered some truth to all of these myth... Of course they've been inflated to sound more exciting and such, the same happens even today when a true life story is told by Hollywood- it gets inflated to be more entertaining lol.

Thanks for your detailed answer paladin86. Although it raises more questions than answers, I will let that be for the moment because I am highly disturbed by one of your assertions.
You said: "The female was a gift from god to man, and many angels (fallen angels) became very jealous of this". Can you please explain this as it is very confusing.
1- How can "the female" be a gift? Like an object or a slave? To do with and to treat as one wishes?
2- Which female are we talking about here? All females or humans?
3- Is the she goat a gift to the he goat? Did she come from the he goat's rib? If yes, when? If not, why not?
4- Why did your angels become jealous? Do they have co-cks?
4- Was jealousy part of their emotions since they were created or did it just start after the female gift?

Logic Mind: Thanks for your detailed answer paladin86. Although it raises more questions than answers, I will let that be for the moment because I am highly disturbed by one of your assertions.
You said: "The female was a gift from god to man, and many angels (fallen angels) became very jealous of this". Can you please explain this as it is very confusing.
1- How can "the female" be a gift? Like an object or a slave? To do with and to treat as one wishes?
2- Which female are we talking about here? All females or humans?
3- Is the she goat a gift to the he goat? Did she come from the he goat's rib? If yes, when? If not, why not?
4- Why did your angels become jealous? Do they have co-cks?
4- Was jealousy part of their emotions since they were created or did it just start after the female gift?

Oh no worries, sorry for the confusion.

1. Definitely not a gift as in property, or some object. Male and female are companions, and compliment each other- and create the ideal environment, in raising children due to their differences. A woman is not to be treated as a slave, or second class citizen, or with any kind of disrespect. Any man who treats a woman in such ways, is pathetic. The bible even states how a man is to respect, and honor his wife's opinion- as she does his as well.

2/3. Human female, Mankind (human male/female) is unique- and cannot be compared with beast. Besides male and female existed in beast before mankind (dinosaurs). Though beast of course, do not share the same thoughts, feelings, and desires as mankind.

4. Some angels were jealous not all, and the ones who displayed the jealousy; are the fallen ones who mated with human females. Fallen angels are vain, and were jealous of man to be given something so very beautiful. The female was very intriguing to them, there are no female angels, if there were; they wouldn't have cared for human women lol. The other and bigger part of their jealousy towards man, with the female- was the fact that mankind was given the gift of love.

In Hebrew language, love means to give yourself to whatever it is you love; people today use that word too loosely lol. The man gives himself to the woman as he loves her, and she gives herself to him as she loves him- when they join due to their love; they become one soul, and spirit. Angels don't know such a feelings of romance and such, Jealousy however yes, anger, love as in the love one would have for god, or one would a child, compassion- but romantic love, that is only mankind's male/female.

Angels though created by god, do have complete free will; just like we do. Some chose to side with Satan; when he rose the question to god Jehovah. "why should man serve you?" Satan was powerful like all the other angels, and believed he was just as beautiful as god Jehovah, and felt man should serve him instead.

i can see that you chose to ignore some questions.
I understand.

Logic Mind: i can see that you chose to ignore some questions.
I understand.

What questions did I ignore? I gave answers to all of your questions, if you have more specific questions, ask away.

LOL are you talking about the goat stuff? Because I mentioned how you cannot compare mankind to beast, and that there were already male/female beast before mankind.

If it was the question on if angels had co-ks, then you apparently missed the part; when I was talking about how fallen angels mated with human female; more importantly took the form of man, when appearing to mankind. lol

there were already male/female beast before mankind.

so god used beasts as a basis to create man and woman?

Logic Mind:

so god used beasts as a basis to create man and woman?

LOL no, each creature was created; in order to its kind. Though god is the author of science/nature, he is not a scientist- and so does not need to experiment with different things; we do that to learn, discover, and create. Mankind is unique and created in god's image, this does not mean we were created to look like god in the physical sense, we are as god imagined us to look and feel-with the soul and spirit given to us. Beast don't have spirit, beast don't contemplate on right and wrong, good or evil- or debate,logic, reason, appreciate art or music as we do; nor love as we do. This and more makes us incredibly different from beast in so many ways, and also makes mankind the most unique of his creations- and gave us dominion of the earth, and beast of the earth. So in other words god already had a defined view of what man should look/be like.

Prehistoric beast (dinosaur), were the first creation on earth millions of years ago, to roam the earth. They were created to prepare the earth for mankind, as all of the fossil fuels we've been using comes from the large dead animals, plants, and insects (don't even want to imagine what a prehistoric spider may have looked like lol)- that roamed the earth before man. Mankind in no way could survive with dinosaur- because not only would early man have been destroyed by apex predators, but could not survive the early atmosphere of earth, that was more fitting to the earlier creations.

And yes I do believe there was evolution in mankind as well, and anyone who believes the earth is only 6000 years old; needs to be slapped lmao.

logicboy: Buzugee is a sexist and so is the bible.

The only difference between a man and woman is physical. Woman was not made from man. That rib thing is rubbish

God doesnt exist

So wtz ur explanation bout hw life started?

Eshyy:
So wtz ur explanation bout hw life started?

His explanation will include intelligent design, and he won't even realize it lol. People who have his same kind of mindset always do that- because they keep thinking god and science are separate things. On the other side, fundamentalist Christians, also separate god and science; so both of em are silly in my eyes lol.

Interestingly about the rib thing he brought up. It could be very well true Adam's rib was used to build Eve. "But why is it both sexes have the same number of ribs?" Adam's rib could have regenerated, "But bones cannot regenerate" Who knows? So far we're able to use tissue from living things, to create clones, or copies of even organs- why can we not one day discover to create another human? Of course cloning humans could and would open the door to some horrible things, which would be no surprise given how imperfect man is.

Just because we're not yet advanced enough to know how to do certain things, doesn't mean it can never be done; science and god are not two different things. Given that Adam and Eve were supposed to be "perfect", and we as we are today- don't understand what a human could be in complete perfection; who is to say Adam couldn't have regenerated his removed rib? We still don't even completely understand the human mind- though we have definitely come a long way, making the once impossible, possible, and we can keep going.

paladin86:

His explanation will include intelligent design, and he won't even realize it lol. People who have his same kind of mindset always do that- because they keep thinking god and science are separate things. On the other side, fundamentalist Christians, also separate god and science; so both of em are silly in my eyes lol.

Interestingly about the rib thing he brought up. It could be very well true Adam's rib was used to build Eve. "But why is it both sexes have the same number of ribs?" Adam's rib could have regenerated, "But bones cannot regenerate" Who knows? So far we're able to use tissue from living things, to create clones, or copies of even organs- why can we not one day discover to create another human? Of course cloning humans could and would open the door to some horrible things, which would be no surprise given how imperfect man is.

Just because we're not yet advanced enough to know how to do certain things, doesn't mean it can never be done; science and god are not two different things. Given that Adam and Eve were supposed to be "perfect", and we as we are today- don't understand what a human could be in complete perfection; who is to say Adam couldn't have regenerated his removed rib? We still don't even completely understand the human mind- though we have definitely come a long way, making the once impossible, possible, and we can keep going.

if god was able to create female animals without their male counterpart rib, why did he need adam's rib to create eve then?
oh!, sorry, i know: "mysterious ways, unquestionable infinite wisdom"

Logic Mind:

if god was able to create female animals without their male counterpart rib, why did he need adam's rib to create eve then?
oh!, sorry, i know: "mysterious ways, unquestionable infinite wisdom"

I don't recall stating that female animal, were created with; or without male animal rib. It isn't even mentioned because it is not important. It is the creation of mankind that is most complex, important, and miraculous- even the angels thought so greatly- and said to have rejoiced in the creation. The question is- given your statement; do you understand why the creation of man was most miraculous?

If I had to make a guess if male animal rib (or anything) was used for female animal counterpart, I'd probably say yes- given what scientist theorize, done, and have said of cloning, including male to female cloning.

LOL I don't hate people who are atheist, I just find some of them ridiculous in the things they say.. However I feel the same of fundamentalist Christians. Both don't understand anything about the faith, and both try to separate god from science.

It also isn't bad, or a new concept to question god or his works. Men have done that since biblical days lol, and some didn't even believe in god, so its not some kind of new age thinking lol. Mankind is meant to know, and god has no secrets- and everything he's done can be explained with science; which is part of why scientist who believe in, and work to understand the workings of god- call it "intelligent design". Fundamentalist Christians, and hardcore atheist approach it all, in a very unintelligent, and ignorant way.

god really have a problem with females.

difficult to create
don't exist in heaven
forced to use one when he came down to save us from the sin his first one did.

Logic Mind: god really have a problem with females.

difficult to create
don't exist in heaven
forced to use one when he came down to save us from the sin his first one did.

Difficult to create? ROFL

Angels and god in heaven don't go about as men like men of mankind. They have no shape or form- and can appear as whatever they (angels) wish. It does make sense that they'd (angels) appear to man as men. Its human nature for people to pay more attention to a man, and especially a very attractive man, than a female; remember they know us (humanity), more so than we know ourselves.

God Jehovah and Jesus Christ of Nazareth are not the same. Jesus also constantly refers to God Jehovah as "his father". When god Jehovah saw his son destroyed, it hurt him greatly, and angered him- though Jesus Christ asked his father to forgive us, as we (mankind) know not what we do. He wasn't talking about his immediate situation being crucified, but just everything mankind has been, become, and does to each other.

LOL god doesn't have a problem with females, although females are said to get the brunt of the curse (pain in labour)due to Eve's actions as she talked Adam into disobeying god's command.

Anyone who thinks god hates women, or anyone- and condones ill treatment towards anyone, doesn't know god... This goes also to those who call themselves Christian.

I'm also not trying to make you a Christian, I could care less about converting anyone.. I just find it all highly fascinating and beautiful- so I decided to study a lot about it, using Hebrew and Greek, which makes you look at all of it quite differently- as you get a better understanding of it.

With all due respect paladin86, I really don't understand the sstupidity of these angels of yours. These angels can take any form they want, including becoming so beautiful as to turn a whole town gay overnight, yet they are jealous of us? Why didn't some of them take the form of women and enjoy great mating? (female oorgasm being more intense than male's)

If I could take any form I want, I would run riots. Women will leave their husbands for 30 minutes of my time. Men will sell their last possesion just to spend a night with me. And what did your angels do? They sat in a corner and went all emotional and became jealous.

And you want me to go and spend eternity with such insecure fellows? shiiiiiiiiiiit!

Logic Mind: With all due respect paladin86, I really don't understand the sstupidity of these angels of yours. These angels can take any form they want, including becoming so beautiful as to turn a whole town gay overnight, yet they are jealous of us? Why didn't some of them take the form of women and enjoy great mating? (female oorgasm being more intense than male's)

If I could take any form I want, I would run riots. Women will leave their husbands for 30 minutes of my time. Men will sell their last possesion just to spend a night with me. And what did your angels do? They sat in a corner and went all emotional and became jealous.

And you want me to go and spend eternity with such insecure fellows? shiiiiiiiiiiit!

ROFL First off, I'm not offended, and they aren't my angels lol

You don't understand, because you're more quick to mock- you completely miss the point; and its extremely evident that you have, due to your questions and statements lol.

I also made it clear that not all angels are the same. Some choose to love and obey god (as a child loves a parent), and some choose to rebel and detest god; the ones who rebel and detest are fallen angels aka demons. Demons are what has toyed, tricked, tormented, even seduced mankind. Angels who come to man as messengers of god, or protectors; appear as men, why do they appear as men? Because if they appeared as some weird beast, or so- we'd flip the hell out. Why as male?

1. Think about the culture of the biblical days, and especially the region of the world- how are men viewed in society over women, especially in the ancient times?

2. Angels, knowing man more than man knows himself- know that we pay more attention to men, and especially attractive men- and I don't mean for sexual aspirations lol. Its just human nature that people pay a bit more attention to an attractive male, if he has something to say. When they spoke to warn, or guide- people listened.

3. Only the fallen angels were jealous of mankind, who was given the companionship and beauty of women. More importantly mankind was also given the gift of love- angels do not know the type of love a man and a woman can have for each other.

4. Given the description you gave of yourself, if you were an angel; you'd be a fallen angel aka demon lol.


Truth or myth- who knows? However the writings, and meanings are not difficult to understand.

@Logic mind
If the way ur mind works does not make u feel there's a creator then u're bound for.........

Eshyy: @Logic mind
If the way ur mind works does not make u feel there's a creator then u're bound for.........

i'm bound for the crematorium. the one and only fire my body will experience.
as for my soul, I don't really care because like god, it doesn't exist.

Logic Mind:

i'm bound for the crematorium. the one and only fire my body will experience.
as for my soul, I don't really care because like god, it doesn't exist.

I don't believe in a hell, because it doesn't make sense- god isn't about eternal torment. Good or bad your spirit returns to god when the soul dies, and you cease to exist. God knows the heart of all mankind, and so even those who have done bad things will be given the chance to repent- believe it or not, many won't- because some who've died, as well as those who live today- have dark hearts, and enjoy the death, destruction, and suffering of others- in other words they just like to watch the world burn.

Those kind of men, also vehemently reject the father (god), and the son (Jesus Christ)- and seek destruction of those who do embrace them. These men have what they call an "Antichrist spirit". They obviously aren't going to be resurrected, or make it through the judgement- and they won't be mourned or missed- or remembered.

Those who never got the chance to know god, will be given the chance- some people make god sound like some unfair, vengeful thing lol.

As for god's existence... I'd like to see evidence to support your beliefs, because so far all evidence I've seen, and through science I might add; does show there is a higher power, an intelligent creator. The other thing that proves god's existence, is the behavior of mankind- especially those who don't believe in him- the behavior matches up with the bible lol.

paladin86:

As for god's existence... I'd like to see evidence to support your beliefs, because so far all evidence I've seen, and through science I might add; does show there is a higher power, an intelligent creator. The other thing that proves god's existence, is the behavior of mankind- especially those who don't believe in him- the behavior matches up with the bible lol.

i don't have any beliefs. sorry.
are talking about the same bible every christian read? because it clearly shows the impossibility of god's existence.

Logic Mind:

i don't have any beliefs. sorry.
are talking about the same bible every christian read? because it clearly shows the impossibility of god's existence.

Not trying to get you to believe anything, only understand- and no I'm not talking about every bible Christians read. I was talking about science first, and then the description of man's behavior towards the faith or truth- it does match up to what is described in the bible; I just find it interesting. I became fascinated in studying Christianity after I learned Hebrew and Greek- gives you a completely different view of the whole thing.