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Poll: What is your opinion of tithe preachers.

They genuinely believe it is required: 13% (35 votes)
They know it is not relevant to christianity but they still preach it for money: 21% (55 votes)
They are preaching the gospel truth: 28% (73 votes)
They are genuinely ignorant of the truth about biblical tithes.: 9% (25 votes)
They are just business men trying to make a dis honest living.: 27% (71 votes)
This poll has ended

If A Thieve Steals The Money I Had Packaged For Tithe, Do I Still Pay Tithe From / A Question For Tithe Payers / A Question For Tithe Payers (2) (3) (4)

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Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 6:22pm On Apr 27, 2012
Zikkyy:



Haba prophetic-apostle Image123, how can you say a thing like this shocked you don fall my hand finally angry e be like the side-effect of that drug don dey kick in (the result of taking overdose to keep pace with Goshen grin)i don tell you say that drug dey make people to hallucinate sad you see the result naw angry
i didn't say it, the Bible did. Don't worry about your fallen hand, i'm here to lift them up and the feeble knees. One dose of holyine is all you need mehn.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by PastorKun(m): 6:41pm On Apr 27, 2012
Image123:
i didn't say it, the Bible did. Don't worry about your fallen hand, i'm here to lift them up and the feeble knees. One dose of holyine is all you need mehn.

The bible didn't say it bros, you are the one forcing your fraudulent opinion into scriptures. It was Melchizedek that was clearly being referred to in Hebrews 7:8 that receiveth tithes and NOT Jesus. Bros just a reminder that you are piling hot coals on your head by this your persistent and continues twisting of scriptures.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m): 8:08pm On Apr 27, 2012
^
This is the kind of MESS image123 had brought into this thread. He was "reading into" God's word.

@ Apostle Image123, kindly read that verse (Heb 7:8 ) from ALL TRANSLATIONS and come back here to continue what you have started. Only God can forgive you for "reading into or adding to" His word. I would have forgiven you but I can't because it's NOT my word but the word of God. If you had quoted, distorted and mis-interpreted my own words, i would have forgiven you.

Again, ANSWER THE LAWS ASPECT OF 5(b) PLEASE. You agreed that the levitical priesthood changed, what about its laws? Does the laws regulating the levitical priesthood still stand after the priesthood had changed?

Thirdly, on 5(a), I still need a direct answer from you. Read my response above please. You are holding God's people that are reading this thread. They want to know/learn the truth.

On 5c, YOU SAID OPENLY BY READING INTO GOD'S WORD THAT IN HEBREWS 7:8 THAT JESUS IS THE ONE THAT RECEIVETH TITHE. Weather the tense is past, present, present continous or even future tense. I don't care. JUST COME OUT AND TELL GOD'S PEOPLE HOW THAT VERSE SAYS IT WAS JESUS WHO RECEIVES TITHE

On 5d, When you clear yourself on 5c above then you will clear yourself on 5d also.

On 5e,
Image123: Goshen, you don't understand that Hebrew passage. It's evident to me.
"And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all THE TENTH in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation." (Numbers 18:21).
This is clear and distinct enough to the unbiased reader. You bring up passages that don't even mention tithe and haul them at us. 'The world' is watching.

When you answer 5(a-d) correctly, then the WHOLE WORLD THAT IS WATCHING WILL CLEARCLY SEE WHAT THE WRITER OF HEBREW 7 IS TALKING ABOUT. Like you said and I believe "THE WHOLE WORLD" IS READ THIS THREAD. Kindly do yourself the honour to address the points raised in 5(a-d) please. You have a name to protect.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Nobody: 8:17pm On Apr 27, 2012
u should know by now image and jo don't direct questions... except they;re the ones asking.. #makeIcarryMykpomoGoSellForAnotherThread...
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 9:07pm On Apr 27, 2012
Pastor Kun:

The bible didn't say it bros, you are the one forcing your fraudulent opinion into scriptures. It was Melchizedek that was clearly being referred to in Hebrews 7:8 that receiveth tithes and NOT Jesus. Bros just a reminder that you are piling hot coals on your head by this your persistent and continues twisting of scriptures.
Melchisedek receiveth tithes? Hahaha, wetin i no go read for NL o.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 9:08pm On Apr 27, 2012
musKeeto: u should know by now image and jo don't direct questions... except they;re the ones asking.. #makeIcarryMykpomoGoSellForAnotherThread...
Do you speak english?
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m): 9:10pm On Apr 27, 2012
Image123:
Melchisedek receiveth tithes? Hahaha, wetin i no go read for NL o.

Why are just running around. Just prove that verse by pulling and quote from ALL AVAILABLE TRANSLATIONS and let's see if it was Jesus or Melchizedek. Very Simple. This is how to prove us wrong and prove yourself right,okay.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Nobody: 9:11pm On Apr 27, 2012
Image123:
Do you speak english?
do you want kpomo?
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by supremebeing09: 9:14pm On Apr 27, 2012
"HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO FILL UP YOUR PRIVATE JET?"
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m): 9:58pm On Apr 27, 2012
@ Image123 and Everyone,

Heb 7:8 from different translations below:

Hebrews 7:8
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
8 Those priests get a tenth, but they are only men who live and then die. But Melchizedek, who got a tenth from Abraham, continues to live, as the Scriptures say.

Hebrews 7:8
Amplified Bible (AMP)
8Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; while there [in the case of Melchizedek], they are received by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually].

Hebrews 7:8
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
8 Priests receive a tenth of everything, but they die. Melchizedek received a tenth of everything, but we are told that he lives.

Hebrews 7:8
Good News Translation (GNT)
8 In the case of the priests the tenth is collected by men who die; but as for Melchizedek the tenth was collected by one who lives, as the scripture says.

Hebrews 7:8
The Message (MSG)
8-10Or look at it this way: We pay our tithes to priests who die, but Abraham paid tithes to a priest who, the Scripture says, "lives." Ultimately you could even say that since Levi descended from Abraham, who paid tithes to Melchizedek, when we pay tithes to the priestly tribe of Levi they end up with Melchizedek.

8 Priests receive a tenth, even though they are only men who live and then die. But Melchizedek, who received a tenth from Abraham, continues living, as the Scripture says.

Hebrews 7:8
New Living Translation (NLT)
8 The priests who collect tithes are men who die, so Melchizedek is greater than they are, because we are told that he lives on.

Hebrews 7:8
Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)
8Here, priests take their tenth, but they are people who will die one day. But Melchizedek, who took his tenth, never dies. The holy writings say it is so.

YOU THINK YOU CAN CONFUSE GOD'S PEOPLE WITH THAT BIG ENGLISH OF "RECEIVETH" STUFF. lolz. grin Now I have quoted from many translations to you. Where in ALL these translation DID JESUS RECEIVETH TITHE?
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 10:47pm On Apr 27, 2012
musKeeto:
do you want kpomo?
Yes, i like it, fried ones, especially the one from clean animals.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 10:54pm On Apr 27, 2012
@Goshen
You're one funny brother. The one i asked you to look for in all the versions and languages, you dodged artfully. The one i no send you, na hin you paste. If God permits, before Tuesday i should answer your questions5 to my satisfaction. Meanwhile, eat the patient roll.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 4:10am On Apr 28, 2012
Meanwhile, just to tell my friends to remove the log in their eyes before accusing others. i'm not referring to correctness or wrong of the answer. But the complete irrelevance and dodge of the answers given makes one wonder, "are these my accusers". Kunle and Goshen were major culprits in this.

Jem1:

9). Were ALL God's workers sustained through tithes in the Old Testament?

They would have received tithes but NOT ALL ISRAELITES brought them Tithes. Those who did not have the HOLY items in Lev 27:30,32 were not COMMANDED by God to do( so were not cursed and they were also successful).
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 4:31am On Apr 28, 2012
nuclearboy:
2). Did Jesus Christ ever tell some group of people to tithe?

2. Depends on interpretation but we know He lived "under the Law" and was a fulfillment of it so tithes should have been okay for him before the cross! However, there is NO record that His Apostles paid tithes which there should be records of if they put a tenth of the effort we do today on the issue! What we see from the life of the Apostles are freewill offerings! It was good enough for them, its good enough for me!

6). Did Apostle Thomas observe temple rites?

6. Did Peter, James & John observe temple rites AS THE PHARISEES did (with mouths while their hearts were elsewhere devising how to reap where they didn't sow?

10). Is "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, [b]as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (1 Corinthians 16:2) a type of proportional giving or not?[/b]

10. Fallacious trick and unbecoming of a Christian. Some of those your passage referred to gave "love", helped others in times of trouble etc. Being a shoulder to cry on is "giving as God has prospered you"! Same is using your skill as a doctor or nurse to help the injured or sick! But today, giving is just Naira and Kobo! Why do you think that is, Image123? Why don't we eat our tithes with the poor and needy? Why don't we count helping others thru pain as "giving as God has prospered us". I once gave 2 guys wounded in an accident a lift to UCH then paid a deposit for their treatments! Was that giving as Gos prospered me or not!

Why is it only Naira coming to church coffers that is your own giving? Even giving to the widows, homeless and orphans is not good enough for you - it must enter church pockets!

shey u go answer Goshen now?
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 4:39am On Apr 28, 2012
Nuke's second go at question 10 was like a break-dance, electrifxion
nuclearboy: @image123:

I did answer all your questions but ok

10). Is "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (1Corinthians 16:2) a type of proportional giving or not?
10. Tithes are a tenth of whatever is being considered. If you "give" someone 1% or 4% or 60%, you are giving! So giving is giving! But we are not talking of just giving here - what is in the dock is giving because you are made to believe or scared into believing that you must make a sacrifice contrary to the tenets of Christ
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 4:54am On Apr 28, 2012
Kunle's was a total failure, he actually dance afro-juju in the exam hall
Pastor Kun: Answers to your questions are as follows:
1). Did Jesus Christ ever argue against tithes?


1. Did Jesus ever argue against burnt offerings? If not why don't you offer burnt offerings today?

4). Do you believe that there was a tithe to be eaten by the giver at home and a DIFFERENT tithe to be given at the storehouse?

4.The tithe you are talking about here was meant to be eaten by the tither with his family in the TEMPLE and not his house as you dis honestly stated.

7). Is tithe a form/type of giving?

7.The irony of it is that tithe preachers fraudulently preach it as a payment.

Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 5:38am On Apr 28, 2012
Goshen's was a total beam with roots in the eye. He was actually dancing to 'worldly music' even.
Goshen360:


5). Did Apostle Paul observe temple rites?

Not according to tithe.


6). Did Apostle Thomas observe temple rites?

Not according to tithe.




8 ). Is anyone going to hell for giving tithes whether as money or crops today?

Error sir. There is NOWHERE GOD COMMANDED MONEY TO BE TITHE. THE ISSUE OF MONEY OR CROP IS OUT OF IT. God was/is specific, He said CROP AND ANIMALS. This again justifies the fact that you know within yourself that God's tithe is from crops and animal, for you to mention crop here. It was men that changed God's specific instruction from CROPS AND ANIMAL into MONEY. This is addition/subtracting from God's word and the end of such people that add/subtract from God's word is written in the volume of books. When money is "given" according to the NT way of giving, it is NOT considered as TITHE from the word of God because it does not fulfill the true biblical tithing pattern/products, hence we should have seen that the rooms of the true biblical tithers should have been filled that there will be no more space/room to take the blessings of open windows. It's either we do it as commanded and receive the blessing or God is a liar but alas, we are doing it as convenient, not as commanded hence we make God a liar by trying to manipulate God. When God told Moses, "make sure you build "according" to the pattern given to you". If it is not according to the pattern, it is disobedient OR counted as though it is not done. If it is MONEY, it is simply considered as giving which i just defined in Q7 that giving is unlimited and unspecific unlike tithe that is specific and limited to crops and animals only.





10). Is "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (1 Corinthians 16:2) a type of proportional giving or not?


This is very simple. You have answered this question by yourself AS YOU SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IT AS GIVING WITHOUT THE VERSE MENTIONING TITHE OR SPECIFIC PERCENTAGE. This verse is in line with the below verse:
"Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver". 2 Corinthians 9:7 kjv.

FEEL FREE TO QUOTE ME NOW.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by nuclearboy(m): 5:49am On Apr 28, 2012
@Debosky:

Please comment O! Can you tie the lying and dishonesty together now and see why some are "worried"?
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 6:58am On Apr 28, 2012
nuclearboy: @Debosky:

Please comment O! Can you tie the lying and dishonesty together now and see why some are "worried"?

i already did nuclear, i already did. Can you show where i've lied or i've been dishonest?
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Jem1: 9:34am On Apr 28, 2012
Image123:
Meanwhile, just to tell my friends to remove the log in their eyes before accusing others. i'm not referring to correctness or wrong of the answer. But the complete irrelevance and dodge of the answers given makes one wonder, "are these my accusers". Kunle and Goshen were major culprits in this.


Jem1:

9). Were ALL God's workers sustained through tithes in the Old Testament?

They would have received tithes but NOT ALL ISRAELITES brought them Tithes. Those who did not have the HOLY items in Lev 27:30,32 were not COMMANDED by God to do( so were not cursed and they were also successful).


@Image, see why you should have taken the opportunity to respond when you were asked to after we had all given our responses? You stuck to a clause in a little known part of your answer which you quoted about not agreeing to respond to us. No wahala, it was your prerogative lol. Now you're looking for who will join you in the playground after being yabbed.

Now to the above quote, are you saying the answer was not accurate enough in response to your question? Would you have preferred it this way:

Jem1:

9). Were ALL God's workers sustained through tithes in the Old Testament?

Answer: They would have received tithes fullstop? wink

- In any case two things I'd like to point out:

1. 'They' should be 'Levites'.

and

2. The explanation starting from "..but NOT ALL ISRAELITES brought them Tithes..."
 was making sure a reader seeing my point that Levites received tithes in the Old testament did not mean I agree todays God's workers should. Pastors have made a mountain out of us Christians sustaining them (pastors) through Old Testament tithing; making it mandatory to bring them tithes like Israelites did forgetting that NOT ALL ISRAELITES TITHED. We christians have more in common with ISRAELITE WAGE EARNERS WHO DID NOT TITHE because God of His own volition exempted them.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 10:27am On Apr 28, 2012
^Jem1
Your above response is one of the reasons i said i would not rebut your 'answers'. This your response is worse than your first response. We'd have still been on the rebutting part, and yet to get to where i answer Goshen. Because i also wouldn't take your answers, like Goshen's is not taking mine immediately. Imagine the chaos this thread can have been.
The reason for my questions was obtained, i wasn't looking for your 'correct' answers, but something else.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Jem1: 11:01am On Apr 28, 2012
Image123: ^Jem1
Your above response is one of the reasons i said i would not rebut your 'answers'. This your response is worse than your first response. We'd have still been on the rebutting part, and yet to get to where i answer Goshen. Because i also wouldn't take your answers, like Goshen's is not taking mine immediately. Imagine the chaos this thread can have been.
The reason for my questions was obtained, i wasn't looking for your 'correct' answers, but something else.

hmmmm @ the bolded, still it's your prerogative. But still, what you want from our discussion here may not be what I want, no hard feelings. Still it's my prerogative abi? One thing no-one can accuse me of is being disingenous, my answer is what it is; as long as it contains a direct answer to your question (which it did), my choosing to explain myself further may bother you but you could have asked for clarification; you chose not to, no wahala. [b]I personally don't mind rebuttals as long as it provides clarity on the issue [/b]for others who may be reading.

I've avoided commenting on your answers to Goshen's questions to you because I felt courtesy demands he should have the first say and you should have the opportunity to explain yourself further but your response to Heb 7:8, where you said Paul was talking about Jesus receiving tithes instead of Melchisedec was so off point. The others were quite rightly surprised and I at first thought you made a mistake; you trying to defend it is quite shocking really...
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by nuclearboy(m): 11:24am On Apr 28, 2012
Seems whenever we reply Image, he uses that as an excuse to move away from what's important and is in front of him! Maybe its better to just sit back and enjoy this show of shame!

"The fear of Goshen360 is the beginning of wisdom" cheesy

Else why all the re-quoting and frantic manouvers! EVEN a question specifically addressed to Debosky got attention (even if confused) while the real issues are hidden from!

Very funny! And the other MOGs are now logging out to sneak in to read this thread grin wonderful
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by nuclearboy(m): 11:28am On Apr 28, 2012
So, Chairman Apostle,

Please leave the real issues O, and attack me & Jem1 now! Then quote us and a few posts from 4 pages ago to create white space to obfuscate the obfuscations cheesy
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 12:10pm On Apr 28, 2012
Humility and sincerity are so scarce commodities on this thread.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by PastorKun(m): 12:57pm On Apr 28, 2012
Image123: Humility and sincerity are so scarce commodities on this thread.

Those two words certainly don't exist in your dictionary.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by PastorKun(m): 1:05pm On Apr 28, 2012
@Apostle Image123
You were caught pants down trying to twist Hebrews 7:8 to suit your tithe delusion; now that it as been pointed out to you that you were wrong one would expect a sincere christian to acknowledge his mistake and even further apologise to those following this thread that you deliberately mis lead. But then you are too proud and arrogant to acknowledge your errors yet you have the nerve to talk about sincerity and humility on this thread. Useless pharisaic hypocrite angry
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Eduvine(m): 1:56pm On Apr 28, 2012
God wil deliver us from d hands of money milking pastors. I shed tears seeing d youth lavishing their hard earn money. Y should people be ask to keep a record of their tithe in form of card? Tithing should be optional dsame wit fasting. Youth wake up. Dont b decieve u ve equal acess 2 God as ur pstors do. May God grant us wisdom.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m): 2:58pm On Apr 28, 2012
Image123: @Goshen
You're one funny brother. The one i asked you to look for in all the versions and languages, you dodged artfully. The one i no send you, na hin you paste. If God permits, before Tuesday i should answer your questions5 to my satisfaction. Meanwhile, eat the patient roll.

All the stories(comments of others and yours,image123) I woke up to read after you made this statement simply doesn't matter to me. I counted them all out of point. I was still awake yesterday when you made this comment but I was slow to speak. ALL I WAS WAITING FOR IS TUESDAY TO COME SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO ANSWER Q5 PROPERLY AND ESPECIALLY WHERE YOU TWISTED HEB 7:8. That's all. You are my brother in the Lord but we disagree on this very issue because you have refused to stand with the truth. As we worship God, it must be done in spirit and in TRUTH. John 4:24. I don't even expect you to come out after making the above statement UNTIL Tuesday you said in your own words but to my surprise, you are now finding fault and dancing around in circle by quoting our past or previous post. None of us spoke against your questions but we all went ahead to answer and you deliberately refused to rebut, now you are bring them up to cover or turn the table or divert attention or derail.....whatever. Am just waiting for Tuesday bro. No more no less. Am sorry brother, I have to expose your false teaching on tithe at this stage. I might offend you but it's okay as long as the truth remains. We will be fine again.

nuclearboy: Seems whenever we reply Image, he uses that as an excuse to move away from what's important and is in front of him! Maybe its better to just sit back and enjoy this show of shame!


Else why all the re-quoting and frantic manouvers! EVEN a question specifically addressed to Debosky got attention (even if confused) while the real issues are hidden from!

Very funny! And the other MOGs are now logging out to sneak in to read this thread grin wonderful

Yes, you are RIGHT. You guys shouldn't have replied Image123 at all. We should just wait for Tuesday. You guys HAVE NO IDEA WHERE AM GOING WITH MY QUESTIONS AND ESPECIALLY Q5. You will be shocked when I "reveal" what the writer of Hebrews was telling us in Heb 7. You guys should just be patient please and let's wait till Tuesday. This is what I love "Debosky" about. He always sense it when the thread is about to be derailed and always calls to order. I may or may not even ask upto the 10 questions I said I was going to ask before I "reveal" the truth from that Heb.7. God bless you all. WE ALL SHOULD HAVE PATIENT, TUESDAY IS AROUND THE CORNER. Thank y'all.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by nuclearboy(m): 3:10pm On Apr 28, 2012
^^

Don't be so hasty & joyous, Goshen360!

Your adversary would have run off long before Tuesday!

And whether we came in or not doesn't matter - you may not have noticed but when he was desperate earlier, he started putting "Truth hurts less over time" at the end of posts where there was falsehood! That was to force me in! We are all keeping the thread alive as if we refuse to answer, he'll just walk away (which he will presently do anyway)!


People like Kunle have been taking them up on this issue for years and we have seen this play out over and over! There's only one person I would have liked to see you face but he's apparently no longer on NL. Plus he too would have turned it to a fight anyway!

Money! It does funny things to otherwise reasonable men!
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m): 3:17pm On Apr 28, 2012
^^
grin grin grin

No worry bro. Me just dey wait for Tuesday to come. I just take it as though I didn't even "see" all this corner-side talk. Have Patient bro.
Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by KamiLara: 3:38pm On Apr 28, 2012



Not Teaching Tithing to the Church

Hebrews 7:8 has been taken out of context and misinterpreted.

It is erroneously considered by some to be teaching that tithing is the customary way of giving in the New Covenant.

This passage of scripture is part of a weighty and complex theological argument.

The casual reader may not comprehend its meaning.

It requires a careful study of the whole passage, verse by verse and word by word, to get a clear understanding of what is being said.

Read the full extract:
Hebrews 7
http://tekoapublishing.com/books/tithing/hebrews7.html

Read the entire book, online here
Tithing: Low-Realm, Obsolete & Defunct by Matthew E. Narramore
http://tekoapublishing.com/books/tithing/index.html

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