My King was born King. The Bible says He's a Seven Way King. He's the King of the Jews - that's an Ethnic King. He's the King of Israel - that's a National King. He's the King of righteousness. He's the King of the ages. He's the King of Heaven. He's the King of glory. He's the King of kings and He is the Lord of lords. Now that's my King.

Well, I wonder if you know Him. Do you know Him? Don't try to mislead me. Do you know my King? David said the Heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament shows His handiwork. My King is the only one of whom there are no means of measure that can define His limitless love. No far seeing telescope can bring into visibility the coastline of the shore of His supplies. No barriers can hinder Him from pouring out His blessing.

He's enduringly strong. He's entirely sincere. He's eternally steadfast. He's immortally graceful. He's imperially powerful. He's impartially merciful. That's my King. He's God's Son. He's the sinner's saviour. He's the centerpiece of civilization. He stands alone in Himself. He's honest. He's unique. He's unparalleled. He's unprecedented. He's supreme. He's pre-eminent. He's the grandest idea in literature. He's the highest personality in philosophy. He's the supreme problem in higher criticism. He's the fundamental doctrine of historic theology. He's the carnal necessity of spiritual religion. That's my King.

He's the miracle of the age. He's the superlative of everything good that you choose to call Him. He's the only one able to supply all our needs simultaneously. He supplies strength for the weak. He's available for the tempted and the tried. He sympathizes and He saves. He's the Almighty God who guides and keeps all his people. He heals the sick. He cleanses the lepers. He forgives sinners. He discharged debtors. He delivers the captives. He defends the feeble. He blesses the young. He serves the unfortunate. He regards the aged. He rewards the diligent and He beautifies the meek. That's my King.

Do you know Him? Well, my King is a King of knowledge. He's the wellspring of wisdom. He's the doorway of deliverance. He's the pathway of peace. He's the roadway of righteousness. He's the highway of holiness. He's the gateway of glory. He's the master of the mighty. He's the captain of the conquerors. He's the head of the heroes. He's the leader of the legislatures. He's the overseer of the overcomers. He's the governor of governors. He's the prince of princes. He's the King of kings and He's the Lord of lords. That's my King.

His office is manifold. His promise is sure. His light is matchless. His goodness is limitless. His mercy is everlasting. His love never changes. His Word is enough. His grace is sufficient. His reign is righteous. His yoke is easy and His burden is light. I wish I could describe Him to you . . . but He's indescribable. That's my King. He's incomprehensible, He's invincible, and He is irresistible.

I'm coming to tell you this, that the heavens of heavens can't contain Him, let alone some man explain Him. You can't get Him out of your mind. You can't get Him off of your hands. You can't outlive Him and you can't live without Him. The Pharisees couldn't stand Him, but they found out they couldn't stop Him. Pilate couldn't find any fault in Him. The witnesses couldn't get their testimonies to agree about Him. Herod couldn't kill Him. Death couldn't handle Him and the grave couldn't hold Him. That's my King.

He always has been and He always will be. I'm talking about the fact that He had no predecessor and He'll have no successor. There's nobody before Him and there'll be nobody after Him. You can't impeach Him and He's not going to resign. That's my King! That's my King!
I WONDER IF YOU KNOW HIM

don't know if someone has written this before. wanted to share one of my favourite poems with my fellow Christians. have seen how muslims and atheists destroy other threads so please you aint invited here lol

Thank you!

Thanks La Divalicious, he is my King too, and you know what? I am a child of the KING !!!

Glory to God....The King is Coming!

La_Divalicious:
My King was born King. The Bible says He's a Seven Way King. He's the King of the Jews - that's an Ethnic King. He's the King of Israel - that's a National King.

Your King is also a racist/xenophobe. A king of racism

If Jews are his chosen people, then he is a racist. If an omnipotent God creates every man equal, then he should have no chosen people.

Yes!!for He is my Father,the King of kings!!.

From http://careysjournal..co.uk/2006/12/ever-only-for-thee.html

May my love always be
Ever only for my King.
May my passion, constant be,
For Thy glory and majesty.
May my heart, so fragile,
Belong to my Beloved --
Whose heart was pierced for me.
May my life be given freely
To Thee alone, for Thy use.
May my love forever be
Ever only all for Thee.

And from http://www.freewebs.com/5thirty/mischymnssongs.htm

Take my voice & let me sing always only for my king

Take my lips & let them be filled with messages from thee

Take my silver & my gold not a mite would I withhold

Take my intellect & use every power as thou shalt choose


Take my will & make it thine it shall be no longer mine

Take my heart it is thine own, it shall be thy royal throne

Take my love my Lord I pour at thy feet its treasures store

Take myself & I will be ever only for my king.

^ Being a modified version of "Take my life" sung below to the tune 'Nottingham'

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lari03: Thank you!

you welcome. am glad you like it.

Idango: Thanks La Divalicious, he is my King too, and you know what? I am a child of the KING !!!

you welcome glad you know Him.

Goshen360: Glory to God....The King is Coming!

Amen!

logicboy:


Your King is also a racist/xenophobe. A king of racism

If Jews are his chosen people, then he is a racist. If an omnipotent God creates every man equal, then he should have no chosen people.

Who's this logicboy? should i say words of ignorance? Did Jesus die only for the Jews? NO John 1:12 . well i'll just be nice don't know exactly your point. and sorry am just replying you, MY KING(Jesus Christ) is no racist . to MY OWN understanding(i might be wrong cause am not a pastor) The Bible said Abraham chose to serve God when others turned their backs on the creator and cos of that singular act God made lots of covenants with Him.(and Jews are the descendants of Abraham).
"Chosen People" is not a badge of superiority and separation. Quite the contrary: Jewish chosenness is a humble call to action and responsibility. Jews are chosen much as one may say to a child: "The room needs cleaning, and I choose you to do the work; you are my 'chosen' child." In this way, all people are chosen for something. Jews specifically have been chosen to,be of service to others so that the world may be a more just place.
if you check the story of Ruth, she was a Moabite woman who was forbidden to even enter the temple and still God chose her and used her mightily (lots of them like that in the Bible).
and for the records MY BILE said *Go ye into the WORLD *not* to the jews and preach the Gospel to ALL nations.
In CHRIST JESUS there is no difference between Jew or Gentile. This is recorded in the BIBLE. ( 1 Corithians 12:13; Galathians 3:28 WE are all one in Christ Jesus, Romans 8:17 how sweet [color=#770077][/color] )
well i think have answered you or? and always remember God loves you.

Enigma: From http://careysjournal..co.uk/2006/12/ever-only-for-thee.html





And from http://www.freewebs.com/5thirty/mischymnssongs.htm




^ Being a modified version of "Take my life" sung below to the tune 'Nottingham'

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i love this, thanks

La_Divalicious:


Who's this logicboy? should i say words of ignorance? Did Jesus die only for the Jews? NO John 1:12 . well i'll just be nice don't know exactly your point. and sorry am just replying you, MY KING(Jesus Christ) is no racist . to MY OWN understanding(i might be wrong cause am not a pastor) The Bible said Abraham chose to serve God when others turned their backs on the creator and cos of that singular act God made lots of covenants with Him.(and Jews are the descendants of Abraham).
"Chosen People" is not a badge of superiority and separation. Quite the contrary: Jewish chosenness is a humble call to action and responsibility. Jews are chosen much as one may say to a child: "The room needs cleaning, and I choose you to do the work; you are my 'chosen' child." In this way, all people are chosen for something. Jews specifically have been chosen to,be of service to others so that the world may be a more just place.
if you check the story of Ruth, she was a Moabite woman who was forbidden to even enter the temple and still God chose her and used her mightily (lots of them like that in the Bible).
and for the records MY BILE said *Go ye into the WORLD *not* to the jews and preach the Gospel to ALL nations.
In CHRIST JESUS there is no difference between Jew or Gentile. This is recorded in the BIBLE. ( 1 Corithians 12:13; Galathians 3:28 WE are all one in Christ Jesus, Romans 8:17 how sweet [color=#770077][/color] )
well i think have answered you or? and always remember God loves you.

God's instruction to isrealites;

Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."


Jesus's mission;

Mathew 15;24
"He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."


Please tell me why God only appeared to Jews from Abraham to Jesus? Why would God chose Jews? You say Abraham was obedient but does that mean that all jews are obedient or other people like Asians were diobedient?

@logicboy lol. hmmmm ok lets see,
1).Jesus Christ gave us a new covenant which did away with some of the old laws if not we would still be sacrificing lambs. and i think our definition of slave IS different from the meaning in the Bible. but i think you should read the whole verse and the Bible for you to understand not just quote out of context really don't know how to expalain this but lemme just say:
2).Slavery was permitted in the Bible because of sin in the world. It existed way before the Jews were formed as a nation and it existed after Israel was conquered. God allows many things to happen in the world such as storms, famine, murder, etc etc. Slavery, like divorce, is not preferred by God. Instead, it is allowed. Where many nations treated their slaves very badly, the Bible gave many rights and privileges to slaves. So, even though it isn't the best way to deal with people, because God has allowed man freedom, slavery then exists. God instructed the Israelites to treat them properly and he even gave them conditions e.g* regarding your brethren, the children of Israel, you shall not rule over one another with rigor**.
3).The Bible acknowledged the slave’s status as the property of the master (Ex. 21:23; Lev. 25:46),
The Bible restricted the master’s power over the slave. Ex. 21:20).
The slave was a member of the master’s household (Lev. 22:11)
The slave was required to rest on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10; Deut. 5:14)
The slave was required and to participate in religious observances (Gen. 17:13; Exodus 12:44; Lev. 22:11).
The Bible prohibited extradition of slaves and granted them asylum (Deut. 23:16-17).
The servitude of a Hebrew debt-slave was limited to six years (Ex. 21:2; Deut. 15:12).
When a slave was freed, he was to receive gifts that enabled him to survive economically (Deut. 15:14)
privately owned slaves functioned more as domestic servants than as an agricultural or industrial labor force.

and to your other question Matthew 15:24 right? what's your point? that Jesus is only for the Jews right? this story is about a Canaanite did you read the whole chapter? Jesus was, and is, The King of the Jews. even though most of them rejected Him. To come to God, in the time before Jesus it was necessary to become a Jew. The woman was not a Jew.
Jesus knew all along what He would be doing. He knew He would indeed heal and bless. But in the process, He taught this Canaanite woman, and all who have studied her story, the power and reality of true worship.
Even though Jesus and his disciples continually kept dismissing her, she still kept faith that jesus was her Master, the Messiah. Even after being called a dog, and being represented as even low scum, she replied with "You're right, Lord. But even the dogs eat scraps that fall from their masters' tables." She proved her faith, and so Jesus cured her daughter.
He came for all of us, not just the Jews. But the promise was given to the Jews, and He did go to them first and foremost.

I think Jesus could have done much worse to the woman, and she would have still sought help for her child. He knew that because of how much more He was willing to do for us to save us. That's the point of the story. when you stop taking scripture as a whole and only choose a small part, you miss the whole meaning of what God was trying to teach.. please go through this http://www.biblebc.com/forpreachers/SermonVault/Worship/biblical_worship__the_canaanite.htm and am sure you'll understand better.

and about your last questions here are the answers (in my opinion though)
God's ways are perfect to Him, He does what pleases Him and He decided to choose the Jews through the obedience of one man(Abraham) and God never breaks His covenant, we've seen that even in Davids time. Through Abraham's dedication and willingness to give up everything for God, he was chosen - and his descendents after him - to become the teachers of morality. In other words, Abraham chose God, and thus God chose Abraham. or do you think God was partial? NO. God is Sovereign! He is not a respecter of persons (Acts 10:34), And He could choose anyone He decided to choose.. NOT being chosen gives one the ability to choose, though he too can choose to be chosen.
the idea of chosen people is a nation of individuals who have been given the opportunity to sense God's closeness, hear His truth and relay his message to the world. Abraham's righteousness and obedience paved the way for others. and God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. The Jews were chosen because they were the seed of Abraham, because we needed a Savior, they were chosen to present God to the whole world. they were selected not for special favors, but for a special PURPOSE preparatory to the ultimate establishment of the Kingdom of God.

God owes no man, and He's faithful and JUST in His ways, when other nations were going astray and serving other gods, The Jews were the first Monotheistic people.
All around them were people who worshiped a multitude of gods, Abraham believed and worshiped the One True God. and do not forget that other nations were still going astray. God made some promises to him, and God will not go back on His promises... and it wasn't only to the Jews God showed Himself (Ruth, was a Moabite but she must have seen God's faithfulness for her to believe in God and Jesus is from her lineage too).
i think have answered your questions. sorry to say you don't believe in God why are you trying to mislead others? through your posts and comments? something tells me your questions' not cause you want to learn about Christianity and the Christian God but to mock God Stop working for the devil and find the Lord even now He loves you. . when you read the Bible try to understand the situations surrounding it e.g why it was written, what happened before and after. if you don't understand ask the Holy spirit to Help you, Jesus said He'll guide us into all truth. and do not read it as a doubter in Christ but cause you want to learn. thanks.

La_Divalicious: @logicboy lol. hmmmm ok lets see,
1).Jesus Christ gave us a new covenant which did away with some of the old laws if not we would still be sacrificing lambs. and i think our definition of slave IS different from the meaning in the Bible. but i think you should read the whole verse and the Bible for you to understand not just quote out of context really don't know how to expalain this but lemme just say.....

Jesus never condemned slavery in the bible. Any historian will tell you that slavery was common during the time of Jesus in Israel or the Roman empire.

Jesus did not give a new convenant. You said that he stopped us from sacrificing lambs to God but how did he do that? By ironically sacrificing himself.

La_Divalicious:
2).Slavery was permitted in the Bible because of sin in the world. It existed way before the Jews were formed as a nation and it existed after Israel was conquered. God allows many things to happen in the world such as storms, famine, murder, etc etc. Slavery, like divorce, is not preferred by God. Instead, it is allowed. Where many nations treated their slaves very badly, the Bible gave many rights and privileges to slaves. So, even though it isn't the best way to deal with people, because God has allowed man freedom, slavery then exists. [b]God instructed the Israelites to treat them properly and he even gave them conditions [/b]e.g* regarding your brethren, the children of Israel, you shall not rule over one another with rigor**.

1) You say slavery was permitted in the bible and by Gid because of sin. Does that show that either God is wicked or God doesnt exist? How can someone that is supposed to be all knowing and powerful allow families to be torn apart by slavery and people to be owned like sheep. By the way, there is still sin in the world, should God allow your family be sold as slaves?

2) You say slavery is not preferred by God but it is allowed. Why did he not punish any slave master in the bible for being a slave but destroyed Sodom and Gommorrah for homosexuality and perversion?

3) You say the bible gives rights and privileges to slaves. If a slave had privileges, would he or she have to be the property of the master? Are you not aware of the passage in the bible that allows a slave master to beat his slave as long as the slave can survive two days after the beating;

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

La_Divalicious:
3).The Bible acknowledged the slave’s status as the property of the master (Ex. 21:23; Lev. 25:46),
The Bible restricted the master’s power over the slave. Ex. 21:20).
The slave was a member of the master’s household (Lev. 22:11)
The slave was required to rest on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10; Deut. 5:14)
The slave was required and to participate in religious observances (Gen. 17:13; Exodus 12:44; Lev. 22:11).
The Bible prohibited extradition of slaves and granted them asylum (Deut. 23:16-17).
The servitude of a Hebrew debt-slave was limited to six years (Ex. 21:2; Deut. 15:12).
When a slave was freed, he was to receive gifts that enabled him to survive economically (Deut. 15:14)
privately owned slaves functioned more as domestic servants than as an agricultural or industrial labor force.

1) You dont see anything wrong in the bible accepting that a human being can own another human being? Does that feel right to your conscience? Can you actually say that in the public?

2)The part where yu say that privately owned slaves functioned more as domestic servants is clearly wrong. There is no possible way to back that claim up. Furthermore, agriculture and building were the major economic activities in biblical times. Labour was most needed tin those areas.

3)Do you honestly believe that slavery by men in biblical times (who had no technology, bad hygiene, killed witches) was better than 16th century transatlantic slavery?

La_Divalicious:
and to your other question Matthew 15:24 right? what's your point? that Jesus is only for the Jews right? this story is about a Canaanite did you read the whole chapter? Jesus was, and is, The King of the Jews. even though most of them rejected Him. To come to God, in the time before Jesus it was necessary to become a Jew. The woman was not a Jew.
Jesus knew all along what He would be doing. He knew He would indeed heal and bless. But in the process, He taught this Canaanite woman, and all who have studied her story, the power and reality of true worship.
Even though Jesus and his disciples continually kept dismissing her, she still kept faith that jesus was her Master, the Messiah. Even after being called a dog, and being represented as even low scum, she replied with "You're right, Lord. But even the dogs eat scraps that fall from their masters' tables." She proved her faith, and so Jesus cured her daughter.
He came for all of us, not just the Jews. But the promise was given to the Jews, and He did go to them first and foremost.

I think Jesus could have done much worse to the woman, and she would have still sought help for her child. He knew that because of how much more He was willing to do for us to save us. That's the point of the story. when you stop taking scripture as a whole and only choose a small part, you miss the whole meaning of what God was trying to teach.. please go through this http://www.biblebc.com/forpreachers/SermonVault/Worship/biblical_worship__the_canaanite.htm and am sure you'll understand better.



[quote author=La_Divalicious]

and about your last questions here are the answers (in my opinion though)
God's ways are perfect to Him, He does what pleases Him and He decided to choose the Jews through the obedience of one man(Abraham) and God never breaks His covenant, we've seen that even in Davids time. Through Abraham's dedication and willingness to give up everything for God, he was chosen - and his descendents after him - to become the teachers of morality. In other words, Abraham chose God, and thus God chose Abraham. or do you think God was partial? NO. God is Sovereign! He is not a respecter of persons (Acts 10:34), And He could choose anyone He decided to choose.. NOT being chosen gives one the ability to choose, though he too can choose to be chosen.
the idea of chosen people is a nation of individuals who have been given the opportunity to sense God's closeness, hear His truth and relay his message to the world. Abraham's righteousness and obedience paved the way for others. and God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. The Jews were chosen because they were the seed of Abraham, because we needed a Savior, they were chosen to present God to the whole world. they were selected not for special favors, but for a special PURPOSE preparatory to the ultimate establishment of the Kingdom of God.

If you went to a doctor to treat your son and he said that he only treats Asian people and that your culture is scum, how would you feel? Isnt that doctor a racist? lol

La_Divalicious:

God owes no man, and He's faithful and JUST in His ways, when other nations were going astray and serving other gods, The Jews were the first Monotheistic people.
All around them were people who worshiped a multitude of gods, Abraham believed and worshiped the One True God. and do not forget that other nations were still going astray. God made some promises to him, and God will not go back on His promises... and it wasn't only to the Jews God showed Himself (Ruth, was a Moabite but she must have seen God's faithfulness for her to believe in God and Jesus is from her lineage too).
i think have answered your questions. sorry to say you don't believe in God why are you trying to mislead others? through your posts and comments? something tells me your questions' not cause you want to learn about Christianity and the Christian God but to mock God Stop working for the devil and find the Lord even now He loves you. . when you read the Bible try to understand the situations surrounding it e.g why it was written, what happened before and after. if you don't understand ask the Holy spirit to Help you, Jesus said He'll guide us into all truth. and do not read it as a doubter in Christ but cause you want to learn. thanks.

Jews were not the first monotheistic people.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_first_monotheistic_religion

logicboy:

Jesus never condemned slavery in the bible. Any historian will tell you that slavery was common during the time of Jesus in Israel or the Roman empire.

Jesus did not give a new convenant. You said that he stopped us from sacrificing lambs to God but how did he do that? By ironically sacrificing himself.



1) You say slavery was permitted in the bible and by Gid because of sin. Does that show that either God is wicked or God doesnt exist? How can someone that is supposed to be all knowing and powerful allow families to be torn apart by slavery and people to be owned like sheep. By the way, there is still sin in the world, should God allow your family be sold as slaves?

2) You say slavery is not preferred by God but it is allowed. Why did he not punish any slave master in the bible for being a slave but destroyed Sodom and Gommorrah for homosexuality and perversion?

3) You say the bible gives rights and privileges to slaves. If a slave had privileges, would he or she have to be the property of the master? Are you not aware of the passage in the bible that allows a slave master to beat his slave as long as the slave can survive two days after the beating;

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)







1) You dont see anything wrong in the bible accepting that a human being can own another human being? Does that feel right to your conscience? Can you actually say that in the public?

2)The part where yu say that privately owned slaves functioned more as domestic servants is clearly wrong. There is no possible way to back that claim up. Furthermore, agriculture and building were the major economic activities in biblical times. Labour was most needed tin those areas.

3)Do you honestly believe that slavery by men in biblical times (who had no technology, bad hygiene, killed witches) was better than 16th century transatlantic slavery?

After this beating, I guess that La-Divalicious is drinking a glass of water with an anti-inflammatory to recover from the blows.
Knock out!

Ptolomeus:

After this beating, I guess that La-Divalicious is drinking a glass of water with an anti-inflammatory to recover from the blows.
Knock out!

Ptolomeus:

After this beating, I guess that La-Divalicious is drinking a glass of water with an anti-inflammatory to recover from the blows.
Knock out!

lol do you think am as jobless as you are?

@logic boy----
yes Jesus didn't start a crusade against slavery and HE DIDN'T CONDONE IT.He corrects slavery by His teachings, by pointing them back to the Word of God.Jesus was asked what is the first and great commandment. He said this is the first and great commandment: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, with all thy strength, with all thy might and the second—now first of all if you love God that way you are not going to mistreat your fellows, you are not going to lord it over anyone.And then He says you will love your neighbor as yourself.Now when you read what the Bible says about neighbor that would include a slave if you had a slave.

Jesus gave us(including U ) a new covenant whether you believe it or not. you call it ironically sacrificing Himself? that's your belief but whether you accept it or not, Jesus came to die for our sins and redeem mankind so that we'll have a sweet fellowship with the Father.

The Bible does not directly condemn slavery if you want to put it that way But the Old Testament establishes principles of just treatment of slaves(like i told you before) And the New Testament says that all men, whether Jew or Greek, slave or free, are equal in the sight of God. words of ignorance i tell you *kaiii* That was part of that society. Historically slavery was not just an old testament thingy, it was practiced in every ancient culture, it was tied to warfare — prisoners of war became slaves BUT the Bible does set minimum rules for the conditions under which slaves where to be kept. With that said, an explanation of a type of slavery that existed back then is in order.

am actually laughing real hard at your level of reasoning (sorry but can't help it) Sodom and Gomorrah sinned against God, but the slave master didn't (Sodom and Gomorrah's sin was an abomination in the sight of God to the extent they rejected God's warnings to them and for the records they were not the only people God punished) maybe i think i understand this slave thingy different from the way you do. the only time a slave master sinned against God was when he did not obey the laws God gave them (remember i told you slaves were to be treated as members of an extended family, i forgot to tell you {{slaves were admonished to serve their masters, however masters were told to serve their slaves in the same way" and even better as brothers to not threaten them as God is their master as well}} if a master harmed a slave in one of the ways covered by the lextalionis, the slave was to be compensated by manumission (now to your other question) the masters to slaves were not meant to maltreat the slaves but they could *correct* them when they go astray and then in the process IF the slave dies within 24-48 hours, it was to be avenged and the master can even get a death penalty but if the slave dies 2 days after, it might be the slave died from some other reasons only then the master is not to be punished. The loss of his property is punishment enough CAPITO??

to your other questions please do me a favor go through my replies you'll definitely understand something (especially from where i said slavery was an ancient phenomenon and God gave His people rules and regulations on how to go about it then maybe you'll understand the word slavery from the Biblical point of view and not the way the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greek, Romans treated their slaves etc).
your just contradicting yourself cos the doctor story doesn't make much sense to me God loves all men equally (but trust me HE is not partial you must play your own little part) and choosing them does not mean He neglected other people (and like i said it was JUST cos of the obedience of one man) ..
YES it is recorded that the Jews are the first monotheistic people because of OUR father Abraham(who happened to be the first monotheist to worship the TRUE living GOD).
Ignorance is what i see from your comments and The highest of ignorance is when you reject something you do not know about, Like Ricky Martins once said 'ignore the ignorant' I have nothing more to say to you on this matter. its a different case if you asking questions just to learn but not to mock someone's belief and all that. I understand it's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what u wanted to hear..

Divalicious,

I am not going to waste my time with your ignorance. You clearly started doing mental gymnastics for the bible. I'll leave you to your conscience.

If you can believe that the slavery in the bible was OK, then I hope that your children will become slaves like the ones in the bible. You deserve it if your conscience is cool with slavery in the bible

lwkmd smh you are the ignorant one here, after'all i opened this thread and i said atheists and co should back-off, just take your frustration else where please cos you refused to see reasons with what i wrote and i explained to you what slavery was like those days. there's actually differience between ancient (at least the one in the Bible) and modern day slavery and for the records muslims and other people had slaves so?? ((difference btw modern and ancient slavery maybe you'll understand)) modern slavery tended to be different and worse than ancient slavery. Another difference was that modern slavery was racist. Blacks were viewed as different from other people, or as not really human. That was, strangely enough, a kind of Enlightenment scientific component. It was connected with the modern idea of Progress and with evolutionary theory, which argued that some "races" were inherently inferior.
and just because you wanted to show you have a degree in *ignoranology* (lol i know there's no word like that) you decided to change the aim of this thread, which was to celebrate MY KING( JESUS CHRIST).
guy i can assure you am scared like seriously?? lemme tell you MY BIBLE tells me that: “a curse undeserved shall not come” Proverbs 26 v 2 and also in Numbers 23 vs 8 Balaam says “How shall I curse whom God hath not cursed” A curse cannot possible come to anyone who believes and puts their trust in God and walks by faith. and remember the curse without cause shall not stand, Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not? “If God be for us, who can be against us?…Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God who justifies …Who is he that condemns? cos i'm following one of God's commandment *Love thy neighbor as thyself, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. and i can't remember supporting slavery in my posts (your aim was to contradict and mock the Bible) i was just giving you Biblical passages and explaining to you the slavery in those days but you have refused to understand even to the point of telling you that Jesus didn't condone it. and no real Christian have slaves so?
lemme remind you that I have an Advocate in Christ Jesus so just know that every negative word you said (even the ones you didn't write down) is definitely going back to you in thousand folds and besides i think you should be careful of the things you say to people you just might not know who you talking to (this is not just about me), and for your own good quit fighting God he's too big for you *For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom* the fool says in his heart that there's no God. chikena THREAD CLOSED

La_Divalicious: lwkmd smh you are the ignorant one here, after'all i opened this thread and i said atheists and co should back-off, just take your frustration else where please cos you refused to see reasons with what i wrote and i explained to you what slavery was like those days. there's actually differience between ancient (at least the one in the Bible) and modern day slavery and for the records muslims and other people had slaves so?? ((difference btw modern and ancient slavery maybe you'll understand)) modern slavery tended to be different and worse than ancient slavery. Another difference was that modern slavery was racist. Blacks were viewed as different from other people, or as not really human. That was, strangely enough, a kind of Enlightenment scientific component. It was connected with the modern idea of Progress and with evolutionary theory, which argued that some "races" were inherently inferior.
and just because you wanted to show you have a degree in *ignoranology* (lol i know there's no word like that) you decided to change the aim of this thread, which was to celebrate MY KING( JESUS CHRIST).
guy i can assure you am scared like seriously?? lemme tell you MY BIBLE tells me that: “a curse undeserved shall not come” Proverbs 26 v 2 and also in Numbers 23 vs 8 Balaam says “How shall I curse whom God hath not cursed” A curse cannot possible come to anyone who believes and puts their trust in God and walks by faith. and remember the curse without cause shall not stand, Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not? “If God be for us, who can be against us?…Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God who justifies …Who is he that condemns? cos i'm following one of God's commandment *Love thy neighbor as thyself, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. and i can't remember supporting slavery in my posts (your aim was to contradict and mock the Bible) i was just giving you Biblical passages and explaining to you the slavery in those days but you have refused to understand even to the point of telling you that Jesus didn't condone it. and no real Christian have slaves so?
lemme remind you that I have an Advocate in Christ Jesus so just know that every negative word you said (even the ones you didn't write down) is definitely going back to you in thousand folds and besides i think you should be careful of the things you say to people you just might not know who you talking to (this is not just about me), and for your own good quit fighting God he's too big for you *For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom* the fool says in his heart that there's no God. chikena THREAD CLOSED

Lol....I thought you stated that slavery in the bible was okay? Why u dey fear? I repeat, if the slavery in the bible was not bad,then may your children be slaves like the ones in the bible.

If you can argue foolishly that ancient slavery was not racist or not worse than modern slavery, you must be ignorant.


What does this statement from the bible mean;

Your slaves may come from the nations around you Is that not racist? Why didnt they want Jewish slaves from their Jewish nation?


What makes you think that slaves were not beaten during biblical times? Even the bible allows you to beat the slave as long as the slave survives it.



Thread not closed unless you tell the truth about slavery

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H.R.H. Saarkin Daura Umar Faruk Umar, the last Hausa Ruler of the Bakwai..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM2vt2FD5sc

YOU are the ignorant one here, you still beating around the bush cos it's so hard for you to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear. and why should i be afraid of you? you agent of darkness? have already told you and i repeat the curse causeless shall not stand.
and what makes you think they were beaten just out of hatred? did you read the part i gave conditions when they can be beaten? am sure you didn't or you read with your eyes closed cos have answered most of your questions its just for you to your your medulla oblongata and your question about ((Even the bible allows you to beat the slave as long as the slave survives it)) have answered you already read other translations and you'll understand (that is when i was talking about 24-48-72 hours). sure some might have treated their slaves in the wrong way but that does not mean the Bible or God approved of it likewise today God says thou shall not kill etc but that's what is going on in the world that's man for you.

The concept of slavery in ancient Israel and many ancient near eastern cultures is quite different than the type of slavery practiced in the Southern United States during the early 1800's.1 The term slavery was much broader then, since a king's subjects may be referred to as his slaves.2 Slaves were understood to be human beings instead of mere chattel. Slaves could own land and property - something that was illegal in the modern western version.
slaves in the Biblical era might be captives taken in war or those consigned to slavery for their crimes, or those purchased of foreign slave-dealers
there were still Jewish slaves, A native Israelite, if sold for debt, or for a crime, was to serve but six years, and to go out the seventh. Masters are required to give to their servants that which is just and equal, something that was also illegal in the modern western version Col 4:1. At the year of jubilee the servant should go out free, he and his children, and should return to his own family. This typified redemption from the service of sin and Satan, by the grace of God in Christ, whose truth makes us free, John 8:32. We cannot ransom our fellow-sinners, but we may point out Christ to them; while by His grace our lives may adorn His gospel, express our love, show our gratitude, and glorify His Holy Name.

As I said, although the Bible gives certain guidelines for treating slaves, that doesn't necessarily mean the Bible condones slavery - especially the more modern type that was practiced in the pre-civil war South.
We are reminded that slaves were to be viewed as human beings and Hebrew slaves were to be released after seven years. Because God's word always portrayed slaves as human beings, once the Christian concept of inherent human value had spread across the world did the practice of slavery begin to fade from society. Christians such as William Wilberforce and others even fought to abolish slavery in more recent times.

La_Divalicious: YOU are the ignorant one here, you still beating around the bush cos it's so hard for you to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear. and why should i be afraid of you? you agent of darkness? have already told you and i repeat the curse causeless shall not stand.
and what makes you think they were beaten just out of hatred? did you read the part i gave conditions when they can be beaten? am sure you didn't or you read with your eyes closed cos have answered most of your questions its just for you to your your medulla oblongata and your question about ((Even the bible allows you to beat the slave as long as the slave survives it)) have answered you already read other translations and you'll understand (that is when i was talking about 24-48-72 hours). sure some might have treated their slaves in the wrong way but that does not mean the Bible or God approved of it likewise today God says thou shall not kill etc but that's what is going on in the world that's man for you.

The concept of slavery in ancient Israel and many ancient near eastern cultures is quite different than the type of slavery practiced in the Southern United States during the early 1800's.1 The term slavery was much broader then, since a king's subjects may be referred to as his slaves.2 Slaves were understood to be human beings instead of mere chattel. [b]Slaves could own land and property - something that was illegal in the modern western version.
slaves in the Biblical era might be captives taken in war or those consigned to slavery for their crimes, or those purchased of foreign slave-dealers
there were still Jewish slaves, A native Israelite, if sold for debt, or for a crime, was to serve but six years, and to go out the seventh. Masters are required to give to their servants that which is just and equal, something that was also illegal in the modern western version Col 4:1. At the year of jubilee the servant [/b]should go out free, he and his children, and should return to his own family. This typified redemption from the service of sin and Satan, by the grace of God in Christ, whose truth makes us free, John 8:32. We cannot ransom our fellow-sinners, but we may point out Christ to them; while by His grace our lives may adorn His gospel, express our love, show our gratitude, and glorify His Holy Name.

[b]As I said, although the Bible gives certain guidelines for treating slaves, that doesn't necessarily mean the Bible condones slavery - especially the more modern [/b]type that was practiced in the pre-civil war South.

We are reminded that slaves were to be viewed as human beings and Hebrew slaves were to be released after seven years. Because God's word always portrayed slaves as human beings, once the Christian concept of inherent human value had spread across the world did the practice of slavery begin to fade from society. Christians such as William Wilberforce and others even fought to abolish slavery in more recent times.

1) If I gave guidelines on pedophilia (how to have sex with children nicely), doesnt that mean that I support it? The same goes for the bible guidelines for slavery.

2) The bible does not give any conditions for beating the slaves. All the bible says is that a slave master can beat his slave as long as the slave can survive 2 days.

3) Where did the bible say that a slave can own property?

4) You are saying thou shalt not kill? Do you forget that the same bible says that we should kill witches and homosexuals? That God kills the first born children of Egyptians? Or you forgot that God ordered isrealites to commit genocide against other people just because they didnt believe in him.

5) I have shown you that slavery in the bible was racist. They didnt want to enslave their fellow Isrealites/hebrews and so they did 7 years debt slavery for their people with different rules.

6) What makes you think that those wars justrified? There is a difference between POW and slave,


7) For you to think that slavery in modern times was worse than slavery in ancient times show how ignorant you are. The Isrealite slavery was racist, brutal and wicked. Did they have machines in those days? How did Israelites build their massive temples? Can you imagine the work of slaves those days? What about the non-hygiene in biblical times? What do you think happened to slave that was accused of witchcraft? Or a slave that rebels against his Isrealite master? Death.


Do unto others as you wish them to do unto you. If you make fun of people that were slaves in biblical times and say that it was fair just because the bible condones it, then your children to should be made slaves in the same fair way.


Praise tha lord, ye children shall be slaves of God's chosen

Haters of God keep telling lies, the slave issue has been dealt with in other threads.

jmoore:
First, we must recognize that the Bible does not say God supports slavery. In fact, the slavery described in the Old Testament was quite different from the kind of slavery we think of today - in which people are captured and sold as slaves.

According to Old Testament law, anyone caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed

EXODUS 21:16 "And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death."

Therefore, slavery during Old Testament times was not what we commonly recognize as slavery, such as that practiced in the 17th century Americas, when Africans were captured and forcibly brought to work on plantations.

But in ancient Israel there was voluntary slavery, people who could not provide for themselves or their families sold them into slavery so they would not die of starvation or exposure. In this way, a person would receive food and housing in exchange for labor. these voluntary slavery brought about rules on slavery in the Bible, those rules were made to protect the slave. Injuring or killing slaves was punishable - up to death of the offending party and many more laws for protection of slaves.

Paul, the author of many of the New Testament writings, virtually ordered the Philemon to release his slave from his service to "do what is proper".



Skeptics claim that the God of the Bible approves of and encourages slavery. What makes them blind is that they don't see the verse in the bible where selling a person into slavery was grounds for the death penalty, according to the Old Testament(EXODUS 21:16). The skeptics are also blind that they can't see the passage where slave traders where put in the same category with murderers,adulterers,homosexuals,liars, e.t.c in 1 Timothy 1:10: "..the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, [size=17pt]enslavers[/size], liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,"

jmoore: Haters of God keep telling lies, the slave issue has been dealt with in other threads.

The word used in the first edition and majority of bibles is not "enslavers", it is kidnappers". Apologists have revised the bible to say "enslavers"


The bible does not take kindly to stealing isrealites (kidnapping). However, taking captives from other cities and enslaving them is allowed.


Nice try

logicboy:


The word used in the first edition and majority of bibles is not "enslavers", it is kidnappers". Apologists have revised the bible to say "enslavers"


The bible does not take kindly to stealing isrealites (kidnapping). However, taking captives from other cities and enslaving them is allowed.


Nice try

Was the bible originally written in English? The new testament was originally written in Greek. Being kidnapped and captured into slavery, what's the difference? None, they are held against their will. One can be kidnapped and be forced into labour which makes him or her a slave.

"Slaves, obey your masters of this world with fear and respect, with simple heart, and who obeys Christ. Serve none for you only see and to congratulate you men but as slaves of Christ wholeheartedly fulfill God's will. Desempeñad your work diligently for the Lord and not men, knowing that the Lord will give to everyone according to the good he does, whether servant, and to be free. And, ye masters, act with your slaves in the same way, leaving aside threats, knowing that they and ye have the Lord Himself, who is in Heaven and no respecter of persons "(Ephesians 5, 6-9).

This view is reinforced in the Epistle to the Colossians (3,22-25 and 4.1): "Slaves, obey in all things your masters of the earth, ye will serve not only when you see, to achieve the favor of men, but with sincerity and love for the Lord. Any work you do do it willingly, thinking you work for the Lord, instead of fijaros in men. You know that the Lord will reward you, giving you the promised inheritance. Serve the Lord Jesus. He who does not comply will receive what he deserves his evil, because God does not differentiate between people. "

In the Epistle to Titus 2: 9-10 we read: "Let the slaves submit to their masters in everything, to try to satisfy them and not to contradict them. Do not steal them, but they appear worthy of confidence. This will achieve all admire the doctrine of God our Savior. " And if the owner is a Christian, "Let all who are in a position to seek to be very respectful slaves with their masters. This will keep you from speaking ill of God and his doctrine. Those with Christian masters must not lose them the respect under the pretext that they are brothers, in contrast, serve them better because they are believers and beloved brothers who receive good service. This is what to teach and inculcate (Timothy 6, 1-2), and continues with: "If anyone teaches otherwise, instead of conforming to these rules, which are those of Christ Jesus our Lord, the authentic teachings of the faith, that man is blind and probably knows nothing: he has a habit of causing unnecessary arguments and issues. "

First Epistle of Peter (2, 18-20), we read: "Servants, be submissive to your masters, not only those who are good and gentle but also to severe. Because this is acceptable, if someone endures pain while suffering unjustly God-consciousness. For what is of remarkable if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure? But if you endure when you do good and are troubled, that it is acceptable before God. To this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example to follow in his footsteps. "

jmoore:

Was the bible originally written in English? The new testament was originally written in Greek. Being kidnapped and captured into slavery, what's the difference? None, they are held against their will. One can be kidnapped and be forced into labour which makes him or her a slave.

Nice try. Majority of the translators use the word "kidnappers" or "stealers" or something like that. You are a fake christian using a fake version of the bible.

Did you fail English? A kidnapper is not always a slave trader.


Furthermore, the distinction is in the bible, slavery is enslaving people from other nations epsecially during war) or debt bondage of a Jew. Kidnapping is stealing a Jew.