Calm down, the title is to get your attention! I am just copying Tbaba's style; https://www.nairaland.com/933520/top-five-false-things-about


Okay, so I want to mention 5 things that really affect Islam negatively;

1) Isolationism; I can say that there will NEVER be more muslims than christians in the world with absolute certainty. Islam always put muslims before unbelievers at a cost. I believe muslims can learn something from how American christians operate. If America wants to destroy a muslim leader, they first send their reporters to find negative things about the muslim regime and then use it to gain support from buddhist China (generalisation) and atheist Europe (generalisation). They gather support from other faiths before attacking. Muslims on the other hand, are struggling with dawah. Just look at the other religion section on NL, for every atheist question, there are 20 christians ready to blast you with quotes and explanations from the bible. Everyone needs friends or allies.


2) Arabic langauage; I have tried and given up about learning islam in English. I dont know Arabic and so, learning about Islam is limited. I actually know more about Bhuddism and Judaism because these religions have enough resources in English. Even when you go to an English muslim site, there are quotes in Arabic.
People fear what they do not understand. How is your religion to survive if most people have to stress themselves to understand your religion?

3) Blasphemy laws; This is the best motivation to troll. Being a troll sometimes myself, (Yes, I am not ashamed of my addiction to derailing religious threads, especially christian ones), I can tell you that there is ultimate satisfaction when a religious person whines like a crybaby when their religion is criticized. You can not legislate the internet and free speech (No, hate speech against islam is not free speech). You can not have blasphemy laws to punish people for insulting Allah because;

a) Allah is not a human being. He has no human rights
b) You will have the problem of defining what constitutes an insult against allah; as an atheist, are you going to arrest me for saying "Allah doesnt exist" or arrest christian for saying "Jesus is the ONLY real God"
c) Criticism and asking questions is neccesary for the development of human beings
d) Silencing people with genuine intentions will cause anger and retaliation because they will feel cheated. "Draw Muhammad Day" started because of the banning of the south park episode with Muhammad. In America, comedy doesnt really have much limits and can make fun of anyone.
e) Many countries dont have blasphemy laws and the internet is global. Therefore, your religion can be insulted from another country with the troll protected by his country's law.

However, please note that I support fair criticism and not hate speech aginst muslim. I am not supporting statements like "All muslims are terrorists" or "Muhammed is a rapist" etc I support fair criticism. For example; this is how I trolled my muslim girlfriend- "how do you stop fasting during ramadan if you're in a country that doesnt have sunset because of midnight sun"

4) Sex; I trolled some Saudi's on the train the other day by squeezing my girlfriend. They were horrified at the sexual touching. I did it because they were already giving me nasty looks because they clearly were not happy that an Arab girl is with a black guy (I dont know if they knew I wasnt muslim). The hot slap I received from my girlfriend when we got home was worth it! I got troll satisfaction from the Saudi's horrified and disgusted faces.

Look, I get it. Islam is chaste and has rules on relationships and sex. However, your haraam doesnt apply to me or other atheists/non-muslims. If two people are kissing, why not let them be? Do you know why Thailand and Malta are better than Nigeria? Sex. Sex is power and money. People from US and Europe go to these poor countries to party and have sex. Sex and alcohol boosts economies.

The main point to be taken from number 4 is that sex makes the world go round and non-muslims like me just feel that Islam should chill and be more accepting of our differences on sex/sexuality. The Olympics brings money to host countries. Seriously, look at the olympics, do you think people watch volley ball or gymnastics just for the sports? Does islam approve of the outfits/uniforms;


5) Pigs; Yes, muslims dont eat pork. But does that apply to playing with pig toys? One of my muslim friends (a grown man) said that he didnt like my pig toy (which was given to me by my neice) and didnt want his daughter to play with it. Also, are muslims not allowed to touch pork? There was a story my cousin told me that he didnt like the the way a woman in Burkha (Who was the sales attendant at the counter in the supermarket) packed his items. She threw the pork sausage as quickly as she could into the plastic bag but was cool with the other items.

How can someone hate my pig from "angry birds"?




So, what do you think?

(please do not go down the route of saying that I am trolling/insulting islam, these are things that affect our everyday lives when muslims and non-muslims interact)

Im sorry for u. dem go soon ban u for slander

toba: Im sorry for u. dem go soon ban u for slander

No they wont.

logicboy: Calm down, the title is to get your attention! I am just copying Tbaba's style; https://www.nairaland.com/933520/top-five-false-things-about


Okay, so I want to mention 5 things that really affect Islam negatively;

1) Isolationism; I can say that there will NEVER be more muslims than christians in the world with absolute certainty. Islam always put muslims before unbelievers at a cost. I believe muslims can learn something from how American christians operate. If America wants to destroy a muslim leader, they first send their reporters to find negative things about the muslim regime and then use it to gain support from buddhist China (generalisation) and atheist Europe (generalisation). They gather support from other faiths before attacking. Muslims on the other hand, are struggling with dawah. Just look at the other religion section on NL, for every atheist question, there are 20 christians ready to blast you with quotes and explanations from the bible. Everyone needs friends or allies.

Holy Quran 16:93
"If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people: But He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions".

Holy Quran 49:13
"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted".

Holy Quran 17:53
"Say to My servants that they should only say those things that are best, for Satan does sow dissensions among them, for Satan is to man an avowed enemy".

Holy Quran 5:91
"Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?"

2) Arabic langauage; I have tried and given up about learning islam in English. I dont know Arabic and so, learning about Islam is limited. I actually know more about Bhuddism and Judaism because these religions have enough resources in English. Even when you go to an English muslim site, there are quotes in Arabic.
People fear what they do not understand. How is your religion to survive if most people have to stress themselves to understand your religion?

that is not true.we Muslims only pray in arabic for certain reasons you can find out here:

"Why Muslims Pray In Arabic?"
https://www.nairaland.com/574141/why-muslims-pray-arabic

other than that,there are numerous sites and books and materials on Islam in english and in many other languages you can make use of.simply because you are corrected for taking a Quranic verse out of context and the arabic original is cited,doesn't mean you cannot understand what is being said in a discussion with you that takes place in english.

3) Blasphemy laws;[/b] This is the best motivation to troll. Being a troll sometimes myself, (Yes, I am not ashamed of my addiction to derailing religious threads, especially christian ones), I can tell you that there is ultimate satisfaction when a religious person whines like a crybaby when their religion is criticized. You can not legislate the internet and free speech (No, hate speech against islam is not free speech). You can not have blasphemy laws to punish people for insulting Allah because;

a) Allah is not a human being. He has no human rights
b) You will have the problem of defining what constitutes an insult against allah; as an atheist, are you going to arrest me for saying "Allah doesnt exist" or arrest christian for saying "Jesus is the ONLY real God"
c) Criticism and asking questions is neccesary for the development of human beings
d) Silencing people with genuine intentions will cause anger and retaliation because they will feel cheated. "Draw Muhammad Day" started because of the banning of the south park episode with Muhammad. In America, comedy doesnt really have much limits and can make fun of anyone.
e) Many countries dont have blasphemy laws and the internet is global. Therefore, your religion can be insulted from another country with the troll protected by his country's law.

However, please note that I support fair criticism and not hate speech aginst muslim. I am not supporting statements like "All muslims are terrorists" or "Muhammed is a rapist" etc I support fair criticism. For example; this is how I trolled my muslim girlfriend- "how do you stop fasting during ramadan if you're in a country that doesnt have sunset because of midnight sun"

you have to know that there is a difference between defamation which constitutes blasphemy and having your own beliefs like not "believing God exists" or saying "Jesus is the only son of god" while Islam says God does not beget a son.what constitutes your beliefs must be sincere and what your heart accepts and you question or defend.but defamation in order to offend what others hold with respect is not justifiable.

also,you cannot impose american standards or the standards or rather no standards in their commedy show to dictate upon others and their beliefs.can you or anyone make a "draw the halocaust day"? in britain can you insult the Queen? you have to know that the rights of others start where your end.you must also be considerate to others.

4) Sex; I trolled some Saudi's on the train the other day by squeezing my girlfriend. They were horrified at the sexual touching. I did it because they were already giving me nasty looks because they clearly were not happy that an Arab girl is with a black guy (I dont know if they knew I wasnt muslim). The hot slap I received from my girlfriend when we got home was worth it! I got troll satisfaction from the Saudi's horrified and disgusted faces.

Look, I get it. Islam is chaste and has rules on relationships and sex. However, your haraam doesnt apply to me or other atheists/non-muslims. If two people are kissing, why not let them be? Do you know why Thailand and Malta are better than Nigeria? Sex. Sex is power and money. People from US and Europe go to these poor countries to party and have sex. Sex and alcohol boosts economies.

The main point to be taken from number 4 is that sex makes the world go round and non-muslims like me just feel that Islam should chill and be more accepting of our differences on sex/sexuality. The Olympics brings money to host countries. Seriously, look at the olympics, do you think people watch volley ball or gymnastics just for the sports? Does islam approve of the outfits/uniforms;

there should be a standard of decency especially when you are in public.if you respect women and you have morals there are certain things you should not do in public.kissing your wife (not in a hot romantic way) is not bad if necessarily.but the relation between a man and his wife should be shared in privacy between the two and not shared with the world.also,you squeezing your woman could draw the attention of children.this isn't healthy for society.put your children in the shoes of other children watching you romance a woman in public,and what would be your reaction?

sex when not practiced correct and alcohol can ruin humanity.you keep asking us why Islam does not allow muslim women to marry non-muslim men.and here you are telling us that Islamic decency even in public does not apply to you.and you want to have a muslim "girl friend" who possibly could become your wife.in the first instance,your so called "girl friend" is deceiving herself because Islam does not allow "girl friends".there must be some marriage contract between you two even if it is mut'ah or temporary marriage.Islam has nothing against adults having sex even for the fun of it if they like themselves within the frame of a marriage agreement.you can review my posts in the below thread where i explained clearly that Islam actually promotes healthy sex (that is not pros.titution which degrades the woman to material object) if both adults wants the fun of it (mutually) and there is nothing wrong in having sex for the fun of it even doing so within the form of mut'ah marriage:

https://www.nairaland.com/929720/kano-state-seeks-husbands-1,000/1#10745028

5) Pigs; Yes, muslims dont eat pork. But does that apply to playing with pig toys? One of my muslim friends (a grown man) said that he didnt like my pig toy (which was given to me by my neice) and didnt want his daughter to play with it. Also, are muslims not allowed to touch pork? There was a story my cousin told me that he didnt like the the way a woman in Burkha (Who was the sales attendant at the counter in the supermarket) packed his items. She threw the pork sausage as quickly as she could into the plastic bag but was cool with the other items.

How can someone hate my pig from "angry birds"?


So, what do you think?

(please do not go down the route of saying that I am trolling/insulting islam, these are things that affect our everyday lives when muslims and non-muslims interact)

first,really are you a kid to have a pig toy?

it is discouraged for children to play with pig toys because it brings the children close to the animal that is being made in the form of a toy.the kid would like his toy so much that while growing up he'd see it as something beautiful and nothing wrong with the pig.shunning pig toys is a form of education to be aware of what your religion wants you to avoid.

pig is an unclean animal and spiritual and health-wise not fit for human consumption.

LagosShia:

first,really are you a kid to have a pig toy?

it is discouraged for children to play with pig toys because it brings the children close to the animal that is being made in the form of a toy.the kid would like his toy so much that while growing up he'd see it as something beautiful and nothing wrong with the pig.shunning pig toys is a form of education to be aware of what your religion wants you to avoid.

pig is an unclean animal and spiritual and health-wise not fit for human consumption.

1) I have no idea what you are trying to say with number 1. You have to give some context to the Koran quotes.

2) You are probably right on number 2.

3) Since you love the guy from Iran, let me use Blasphemy laws in Iran to debunk you. Why would someone in Iran be arrested for saying that there should be separation of church and state, under blasphemy laws? If I put up a signboard sayin "there is no God/Allah" in Iran, would I not be arrested?

Allah is not a human being. He can not be defamed. As for insulting the queen or mocking holocaust, they are both allowed (holocaust denial is a different thing entirely)

Insulting the queen with no arrest or fines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AypvlwhI-70


Holocaust jokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeziJp0anhE


4) I agree with your point. However, you didnt address the olympics/volleyball uniforms. Furthermore, it is very discriminatory for someone to tell me that muslim women are better than me or beyond me because I am not muslim. Sorry, but there are evil women who are muslim and so dont ever tell me that muslim women shouldnt marry non-muslism- no one is perfect.

5) Pig toy is different from pig meat. The most common toy in the world is a teddy bear. Tell me, do children grow up to eat bears or even like bears after playing with the toys? Having a toy is different from playing with a toy. Many people have toy collections just for collecting.

Furthermore, pigs are far from the dirtiest animals in the world. All animals are unclean. Even fish that is halal can be poisonous. Fish eat anything they can find in the water. Sometines they even swim in dirty rivers or sesas. In Japan, there is a fish that if you dont prepare it properly, you will die from eating it. Top chefs are only allowed to prepare that fish.

What would islam say about my village in Nigeria where we eat edible worms?

logicboy:


1) I have no idea what you are trying to say with number 1. You have to give some context to the Koran quotes.

it is simple:Islam does not tell Muslims to isolate themselves from others.

3) Since you love the guy from Iran, let me use Blasphemy laws in Iran to debunk you. Why would someone in Iran be arrested for saying that there should be separation of church and state, under blasphemy laws?

that is not punishable if at all under "blasphemy laws".that would be committing treason against the state.it is just like asking for regime change in Nigeria or caling for the overthrow of the president.the Iranian system is based on the principles of islam.it takes it legitimacy from God and the people who endorsed an islamic state.if you do not want an islamic state as an iranian,the best way to go about it is through the iranian parliament.no state,whether religious or secular tolerates anyone that undermine its authority or legitimacy.

If I put up a signboard sayin "there is no God/Allah" in Iran, would I not be arrested?

why do you have to put up a sigboard in the first place? aren't you the one looking for trouble? there is difference between freedom to believe and trying to spread your beliefs that the majority of people frown against.at least if you want to preach democracy,you should respect that the majority in Iran are Muslims who believe in God.in america,an atheist was either beaten or threatened with violence for asking that a prayer be removed from his graduation ceremony.

Allah is not a human being. He can not be defamed. As for insulting the queen or mocking holocaust, they are both allowed (holocaust denial is a different thing entirely)

Allah (swt) is not a human being.but when you mock Him,others who are humans like you feel offended because they are obligated by their beliefs to be proud of who they are.

and why is holocaust denial a different thing entirely? you want freedom to deny the existence of God (and you are free to do that for yourself) but you cannot question the holocaust? if you question or deny the holocaust in europe you get jailed.i am not talking here of joking about it.the bottom line is different societies react differently.there is no one that can compel you to believe in God.but if you dont believe,you dont have to carry a bel around to ring it into the ears of others.you not believing in God is not blasphemy but disbelief and you are free not to believe.likewise,the halocaust in europe.you may deny or doubt it.but it is state policy you do not deny or question it in public.

Insulting the queen with no arrest or fines

commedy and insult are two different things.and besides,is the queen holy?

Holocaust jokes

and this is done online.and its a joke about hitler.do you really know what is the definition of "halocaust"?

4) I agree with your point. However, you didnt address the olympics/volleyball uniforms. Furthermore, it is very discriminatory for someone to tell me that muslim women are better than me or beyond me because I am not muslim. Sorry, but there are evil women who are muslim and so dont ever tell me that muslim women shouldnt marry non-muslism- no one is perfect.

i am not saying all muslims are righteous and good.i am not saying i am good because i am muslim.i am simple saying Islam offers a way of life and a code of conduct.

those in volleyball dress are not in decent dress.any cloth that exposes a woman's body and attracts the opposite sex or creates lust is not decent.its as good as por.nography.

5) Pig toy is different from pig meat. The most common toy in the world is a teddy bear. Tell me, do children grow up to eat bears or even like bears after playing with the toys? Having a toy is different from playing with a toy. Many people have toy collections just for collecting.

that is a good point.many children including Muslim ones have teddy bears.so why do muslims oppose pig toys? that is because people of other faiths and beliefs have not made the eating of bears a practice.you dont find bear meat in supermarkets and market places.there is hardly any issue on bear meat and we know it is forbidden as pork is.but pig,a large segment of people see eating it as normal.

Furthermore, pigs are far from the dirtiest animals in the world. All animals are unclean. Even fish that is halal can be poisonous. Fish eat anything they can find in the water. Sometines they even swim in dirty rivers or sesas. In Japan, there is a fish that if you dont prepare it properly, you will die from eating it. Top chefs are only allowed to prepare that fish.

What would islam say about my village in Nigeria where we eat edible worms?

we are not allowed to eat all fishes.we (particularly Shia) only eat fishes with scales.even catfish is forbidden and snail too.

you are free to eat whatever you want.but i am a Muslim and i do not eat anything.apart from protecting myself from the health risks of eating just anything including worms your people eat,i do not eat anything because i am commanded not to;God knows best and he surely wants the best for us.many risks with consuming these animals are discovered over time with science.

@lagosShia


1) Okay, no problem there. However, why is Dawah an issue then? Seriously, is it hard to express your religion to an unbeliever?

3)
a)Okay, you have a valid point on the separation of church and state.
b)I have every right to advertise my beliefs and my business. If have an atheist chairty, why shouldnt I have an atheist signboard? Is this tolerated in Iran;



c)Will a similar comedy (the comedy on the queen) on Allah/Mohammed be tolerated in any islamic state? Will such be tolerated in Iran?

d)It actually saddens me that you are a bigot because I actually like you (no homo, if ur a guy). What is your problem with Jews? Holocaust denial is different from discussing the holocaust. You can not go and insult the families that were separated and destroyed or killed during the holocaust by saying that it did not happen.

You can debate the numbers but the evidence of the murders is there. There are people who legitimately revise the holocaust history to establish new facts, which is different from flatly denying the event that took place.

4) So, muslim girls dont play professional volleyball or swimming? See what your religion does?


5) The pig toy fear is just too funny. Where does it stop? Do you stop children from playing videogames with pigs as the main characters?

Furthermore, thank you for insulting my culture. I would let you know that the edible worm is far healthy than any halal meat or fish you eat because it has little side effect and is a simple source of protein. I dont know what health risks you are talking about. Halal food has health risks even sometimes more than haraam food eg squid is one the most healthiest meats you can eat.

Catfish is even one the healthiest fishes you can eat
http://longevity.about.com/od/lifelongnutrition/a/fish_mercury.htm


Do you know the biggest irony of all time? Pork, Beef, Chicken and Lamb are all equally healthy when trimmed (of fat) and prepared properly in a haraam way.

logicboy: @lagosShia
1) Okay, no problem there. However, why is Dawah an issue then? Seriously, is it hard to express your religion to an unbeliever?

Da'wah is not an issue.it is not hard either to express my religion to an unbeliever.however,there is no problem in admitting that sometimes an unbeliever can be more educated than a Muslim and could also be smarter.therefore,even on a point where Islam is right,the muslim could fall short of explaining it properly or in a convincing way.

3) b)I have every right to advertise my beliefs and my business. If have an atheist chairty, why shouldnt I have an atheist signboard? Is this tolerated in Iran;

firstly,if a Muslim country is to accept your charity with the condition that you must bring in your religion,then most likely the country would not.perhaps,that is a major point between an atheist and a Muslim.a muslim does charity and good works to people for the sake of God Almighty and to please Him alone and not expecting any human reward but only divine reward by pleasing God.an atheist on the other hand wants to come in to use charity to spread his religion.the christian missionaries are also fond of that technique.

now why do you think an atheist have every right to advertize his religion? i am most likely sure you would say that there should be freedom of religion.freedom of religion entails that you choose to believe or worship as you please.freedom of religion becomes an issue if someone impose on you that you must pray as he does or believe what he believes.so you advertizing your belief got nothing to do with freedom of worship or belief.

now if you as an atheist is not allowed to preach that could fall under freedom of expression.now what determines freedom in an islamic state? in an islamic states religion determines freedom of expression and the perception of the people or the people themselves who are influenced by the religion.if i am to break down for you into the way you understand it as someone living in the west,here is an explantion i can give you:

in a democracy,it is the majority of people whose opinion are translated into policies.in an islamic state (i do not mean majority muslim countries govern by dictators like egypt was and saudi arabia is),the people have accepted to live by Islamic laws.the majority of people have voted for an islamic system of government-that was the case in the iranian referendum.the majority of people therefore must have the say on how their country is govern and by what kind of laws.in france recently,we saw that a majority of a little above 51% of voters ousted the incumbent and voted for a new president in the election.for the coming years,that slim majority will have the say in governing france.in switzerland,there was a campaign to ban minarets.in france there is the ban on the veil.now if a majority of 51% in france are muslims and they are against banning the veil,then the law will have to change.in Iran,a majority believe in God and could see an atheist flunting a signboard advertizing and encouraging people to deny God as "un-islamic" just as the french see the veil and something that is not "french".so if atheists are much in iran,then we could see lawmakers in parliament fighting for the right to advertize.or we could see a referendum where the people would have to make their say whether to allow atheists with such an advert or not.in that situation as Iran is today,i expect more than 80% of iranians to vote against such move to allow atheists publicize their beliefs to cast doubts in the mind of others on a subject that the iranian system entirely is based upon.so really,when it comes to such issues on what to allow and what not to allow,and even if i am to go to the extent of putting the religion and God factors aside,the majority of people have to carry the day and have their say.i hope that is democratic enough for your taste.

c)Will a similar comedy (the comedy on the queen) on Allah/Mohammed be tolerated in any islamic state? Will such be tolerated in Iran?

i personally would not tolerate that.and if a majority of people in Iran are like that,it wont be tolerated.now,people can say anything and especialy online like children.but even if i can do nothing about it,it doesn't mean i support making jokes about God or symbols that are seen as holy and are very sensitive in human society.if i am bow down 5 times a day and place my forehead on earth to honor God,i dont think i would like another person who have no idea of my beliefs to subject my point of reverence to mockery.indirectly,you are offending me and calling me a fool.when you mock God or a prophet,you are indirectly mocking and insulting the millions who revere them and calling them foolish.you are being inconsiderate and people would definitely not like to feel humiliated.

d)It actually saddens me that you are a bigot because I actually like you (no homo, if ur a guy). What is your problem with Jews? Holocaust denial is different from discussing the holocaust. You can not go and insult the families that were separated and destroyed or killed during the holocaust by saying that it did not happen.

You can debate the numbers but the evidence of the murders is there. There are people who legitimately revise the holocaust history to establish new facts, which is different from flatly denying the event that took place.

honestly i have no problems with jews.i do not like zionists because their ideology is racist and they have used the holocaust card to justify their occupation of palestine and the attrocities israel commits against the palestinians.

Norman Finkelstein is a jew and he opposes israel.there are jews who question israel and even the holocaust.i do not dispute that jews suffered unjustly in the hands of hitler.i also respect those who did.the murder and its evidence is there.but accepting the holocaust means you accept exactly 6 million jews were murdered.so you are wrong because the number that died is not up for discussion.you can't say 500,000 died and not be labelled an "anti-semite".denying the holocaust therefore is not saying jews were not murdered in a genocidal way.its different.the holocaust card is simply to support the terrorism israel perpetrates against people that did nothing wrong to jews.

4) So, muslim girls dont play professional volleyball or swimming? See what your religion does?

sure they can.why not? but they cannot dress in the indecent uniforms that create lust.

[img]http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120301/tebrahimpour20120301170850507.jpg[/img]

Iranian female football national team in hijab:
https://www.nairaland.com/867144/fifas-ban-modesty

5) The pig toy fear is just too funny. Where does it stop? Do you stop children from playing videogames with pigs as the main characters?

this i see is more of a cultural thing to butress their religious beliefs.if parents see it as western culture to be facinated with pigs,then they demonstrate their disapproval by preventing their children from playing with something that symbolizes a forbidden food.

the pig itself is an unclean animal.

Furthermore, thank you for insulting my culture. I would let you know that the edible worm is far healthy than any halal meat or fish you eat because it has little side effect and is a simple source of protein. I dont know what health risks you are talking about. Halal food has health risks even sometimes more than haraam food eg squid is one the most healthiest meats you can eat.

i did not insult your culture.i only repeated what you said that your people eat worms in your village.

you should also know one man's food is another man's poison.you supporting what you eat doesn't make it appealing to others or healthy.and those food dont necessarily have to kill you for them to be bad.they could also be protenous but have harmful effects that could manifest in the body over time.

Do you know the biggest irony of all time? Pork, Beef, Chicken and Lamb are all equally healthy when trimmed (of fat) and prepared properly in a haraam way.

bon apetite!!!

and just for your info,there are catfishes that are very poisonous and not edible even in their healthy state.have you seen an healthy chicken that is poisonous for consumption?

@LagosShia

1) No problem there then. You satisfied my question on Dawah

3) Democracy is not a muslim invention invented by pagans). Neither is it perfect. It is called the rule of the mob for a reason. Even a democracy can become oppressive and that is why freedoms are granted so that minorities are not oppressed. Freedom of religion and association are some of these freedoms.

You can not expect me to accept that I shouldnt be able to promote atheism. It is a different case if I want to force muslims to become atheist. You can not put muslims before non-muslims. If muslims can Dawah, then non-muslims too should dawah.

4) I am not talking about Isreal or Palestine or Zionists. I am not a Jew or a Zionist. My point is simple- you can talk about the holocaust but to deny what is factual is a different thing entirely.

I know muslims and jews are divided over Palestine and Isreal. But have faith, the truth shall prevail and the oppressors will become the oppressed.

5) The Iranaian team got banned!

Why can men be sexy but women not? You are destroying your women's involvement in sport!


6) Forget the halal. Generally, can you see why an unbeliever will see islam as too strict? You shouldnt wonder why I ask if Islam can survive another 20 years

logicboy: @LagosShia
3) Democracy is not a muslim invention invented by pagans). Neither is it perfect. It is called the rule of the mob for a reason. Even a democracy can become oppressive and that is why freedoms are granted so that minorities are not oppressed. Freedom of religion and association are some of these freedoms.

i dont know of any law in western democracies for instance where minorities like jews and muslims are guaranteed a parliamentary quota.in Iran,there are seats reserved for indigenous minority groups like jews and christians regardless if they deserve it or not.also,to preserve a minority group and also do not subject them to the beliefs of the majority and what they strive for,minorities in an islamic state are exempt by law from military service and fighting in wars.

You can not expect me to accept that I shouldnt be able to promote atheism. It is a different case if I want to force muslims to become atheist. You can not put muslims before non-muslims. If muslims can Dawah, then non-muslims too should dawah.

this is for the majority in the country to decide.there are television channels from the middle east that are banned in the west.take for instance Al-Manar television affiliated to Lebanon's Hezbollah.where is the freedom of expression? they are not allowed to broadcast to european countries and the USA.minarets for instance do not force you as a non-muslim to pray in a mosque.but in switzerland they are banned.in france the veil is banned even though it is harmless.

so these are state decisions.a muslim country could decide of ways to engage non-muslims.they can present knowledgeable muslim scholars to debate with non-muslims in the presence of an audience.or they could even go ahead and allow your atheist advert if they believe their populations are educated enough,wise,mature,intellectual and smart not to fall prey but to be able to withstand your advert and its message and also refute it.

4) I am not talking about Isreal or Palestine or Zionists. I am not a Jew or a Zionist. My point is simple- you can talk about the holocaust but to deny what is factual is a different thing entirely.

you need to know what is the halocaust.to say 6 million jews were killed and exactly that figure is what is termed holocaust.if i deny 6 million were killed,they say i am denying the holocaust and i have committed a crime.i do not deny jews were killed.

I know muslims and jews are divided over Palestine and Isreal. But have faith, the truth shall prevail and the oppressors will become the oppressed.

ameen!

5) The Iranaian team got banned!

and you are happy?

i am not very sure,but i think the ban was revoked or was about to be.

Why can men be sexy but women not? You are destroying your women's involvement in sport!

it all depends on what you view as "sexy".besides,even in hijab the iranian female team was formidable.

6) Forget the halal. Generally, can you see why an unbeliever will see islam as too strict? You shouldnt wonder why I ask if Islam can survive another 20 years

i can assure you that if this earth exists for another 2000 years,Islam will still be around and even in a better form and presence.

1) Those politicians are guaranteed parliamentary qouta to shut up and make sharia law look good. Furthermore, if they can not preach thier faiths, then what is the point? Attempts to make sharia law friendly to other religions always fails

2) You have not addressed the point of freedom of religion and why it is almost non-existent in many sharia loving countries

3) You shout democracy as if Islam was founded on a democracy and Islam started democracy. Democracy is not even an islamic invention. It is a Greek invention and even in the ancient times, it was known as mob rule because of the oppression by the majority. There have to be some rights or freedom to avoid the oppression. Hezbollah is a terrorist entity- its not their religion that got them banned.

If I can not promote my atheism (or a christian promote his christianity) in a society, that society is backwards and unfair. End of story. Freedom of religion.

4) I am not happy the Iranian team got banned but they should wear the official uniform of sports. Where in the Koran does the Koran legislate on sports? The women do not wear the uniform or sport jerseys to be sexy. They wear it to be streamlined for sports. The men wear similar jerseys in football. Sexist much?


5) Islam can not survive another century. Gay rights, rejection of polygamy, free speech on the internet, evolution etc will destroy islam. Obama just accepted gay rights yesterday.

logicboy: 1) Those politicians are guaranteed parliamentary qouta to shut up and make sharia law look good. Furthermore, if they can not preach thier faiths, then what is the point? Attempts to make sharia law friendly to other religions always fails

well at least Muslims are considerate enough to care about looking good to others.

2) You have not addressed the point of freedom of religion and why it is almost non-existent in many sharia loving countries

those states you are referring to are not sharia states.only Iran today is an islamic republic in the meaning of applying Islamic laws and having an islamic system of government.the other states may to an extent apply islamic laws but in general they are not sharia states because their system is either secular (as in syria) or dictatorial as was in egypt or a monarchy that has no basis in Islam.

3) You shout democracy as if Islam was founded on a democracy and Islam started democracy. Democracy is not even an islamic invention. It is a Greek invention and even in the ancient times, it was known as mob rule because of the oppression by the majority. There have to be some rights or freedom to avoid the oppression.

every system has its pros and cons.i used democracy to break it down for you because you live in a western democracy.and if democracy is practiced in an islamic setting with the understanding of people electing their representative and having a consultative assembly,there is nothing wrong with is islamically.in the Quran there is the concept of shura (consultation) is there.

Hezbollah is a terrorist entity- its not their religion that got them banned.

i do not want to argue with you why you think hezbollah is a terrorist entity.hezbollah is a party with political and military wing.the political wing represents the Shia of Lebanon in parliament and government.the Shia in Lebanon are the largest religious group in that country.they form over 40% of the total population there.Hezbollah get the votes of the Shia in democratic elections.presently a hezbollah coalition with other allied parties are leading the Lebanese government.the military wing of the party have successfully resisted israeli occupation of lebanese land.if you call them terrorists for fighting for and defending their people and country,then you are following an american-israeli definition.

anyways,whether Hezbollah is terrorist according to the terrorist zionist entity called israel or is not terrorist is not the issue here.the issue here is freedom of expression.if the west is so free,they should not feel threatened by a tv station broadcasting news and religious programmes.

If I can not promote my atheism (or a christian promote his christianity) in a society, that society is backwards and unfair. End of story. Freedom of religion.

if the system is secular or non-affiliated with a religious ideology like Islam,Christianity or Atheism,then you may preach.

4) I am not happy the Iranian team got banned but they should wear the official uniform of sports. Where in the Koran does the Koran legislate on sports? The women do not wear the uniform or sport jerseys to be sexy. They wear it to be streamlined for sports. The men wear similar jerseys in football. Sexist much?

decency comes first.they can wear whatever dress for whatever purpose and still maintain decency.

5) Islam can not survive another century. Gay rights, rejection of polygamy, free speech on the internet, evolution etc will destroy islam. Obama just accepted gay rights yesterday.

the more sinful humanity becomes,the more the need for islam.islam is like oxygen.those among the muslims who are grave sinners will confirm that to you.the more man sins,the greater the need for islam.Islam has a way of fine tunning the life of man.it is like a place you can run to for safety.it is an escape.God sent the Quran and made Islam the religion humanity to follow and in Islam provided the provision of repentance and forgiveness.God knows man can sin.therefore man has the choice to repent and ask for forgiveness with the promise to change.entirely,islam in the life of a believer rests on the person striving to become a better person and going against his desires to avoid breaking the rules.that is why our Prophet (sa) said the "jihadun-nafs" (struggle against yourself/desires) is the greater jihad (struggle) that a believer goes through.the military jihad is the lesser jihad.that is the beauty of life in striving for perfection and putting in the effort to attain that position with your own self.that is how God has created us to appreciate life and the role we have been given to fulfill.that is the beauty Islam reflects.

Holy Quran 91:7-10
"And [by] the soul and He who proportioned it.And inspired it (with conscience of) what is wrong for it and (what is) right for it.,He has succeeded who purifies it,And he has failed who instills it [with corruption]".

Holy Quran 16:125
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided".

Yes, the only reason I say Hezbollah is terrorist is because USA says so. The USA might be wrong but I am just saying why they probably banned the TV station. Al Jazeera works in UK and US.


So, our disagreement bottles down to two things;

a) Women and sportswear. Why cant women wear shorts and tops for sports? What is wrong with Islam that is practised today? The women do not wear the sportswear to be sexy, they wear it to be streamlined! Furthermore, is it only women that can be indecently dressed? Last time I checked, men too wearth same sportswear.

b) Freedom of religion. Sharia never excels where there is equality and literacy together, have you noticed? Please, try and mention one country! If I can not have an atheist billboard that is not offensive, then that society is backwards and oppressive. The irony is that muslims run to Europe and America to spread their religion. Hypocrisy!!

logicboy: Yes, the only reason I say Hezbollah is terrorist is because USA says so. The USA might be wrong but I am just saying why they probably banned the TV station. Al Jazeera works in UK and US.


So, our disagreement bottles down to two things;

a) Women and sportswear. Why cant women wear shorts and tops for sports? What is wrong with Islam that is practised today? The women do not wear the sportswear to be sexy, they wear it to be streamlined! Furthermore, is it only women that can be indecently dressed? Last time I checked, men too wearth same sportswear.

allow me to answer your question with a question.if you watch swimming competition on tv or diving,you see usually the men are shirtless.is it unfair in your opinion that the women do not compete shirtless? why dont they compete shirtless? tell us who determines what is proper in such sport competitions and what is not and banned.

THERE IS NO BURDEN OR DIFFICULTY FOR THE BELIEVERS IN ISLAM:

"Allah intends for you ease, and does not want to make things difficult for you" [Holy Quran 2:185}

"Allah does not want to place you in difficulty" [Holy Quran 5:6].

"And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided".[Holy Quran 2:186]

"Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned. "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."[Holy Quran 2:286]

"And strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you "Muslims" before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to Allah . He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper".[Holy Quran 22:78]

""Verily there has come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves, it grieves him that you should suffer any difficulty, he is anxious for you, for the believers he is full of pity and merciful"[Holy Quran 10:128]

b) Freedom of religion. Sharia never excels where there is equality and literacy together, have you noticed? Please, try and mention one country! If I can not have an atheist billboard that is not offensive, then that society is backwards and oppressive. The irony is that muslims run to Europe and America to spread their religion. Hypocrisy!!

you are wrong.i have dealt with the issue of freedom.i have presented how minorities are treated and protected in Islam.

now i would deal with literacy.let us take Iran as case study:

Literacy
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: above 80%[8]
male: 86%
female: 75.0% (2003 est.)

note that,it is recorded presently that the number of female university students and graduates in Iran surpass the number of their male counterparts.

"Progress Of Iran Under An Islamic Regime (shariah)"
https://www.nairaland.com/908175/progress-iran-under-islamic-regime

LagosShia:

allow me to answer your question with a question.if you watch swimming competition on tv or diving,you see usually the men are shirtless.is it unfair in your opinion that the women do not compete shirtless? why dont they compete shirtless? tell us who determines what is proper in such sport competitions and what is not and banned.

THERE IS NO BURDEN OR DIFFICULTY FOR THE BELIEVERS IN ISLAM:

"Allah intends for you ease, and does not want to make things difficult for you" [Holy Quran 2:185}

"Allah does not want to place you in difficulty" [Holy Quran 5:6].

"And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided".[Holy Quran 2:186]

"Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned. "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."[Holy Quran 2:286]

"And strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you "Muslims" before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to Allah . He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper".[Holy Quran 22:78]

""Verily there has come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves, it grieves him that you should suffer any difficulty, he is anxious for you, for the believers he is full of pity and merciful"[Holy Quran 10:128]




you are wrong.i have dealt with the issue of freedom.i have presented how minorities are treated and protected in Islam.

now i would deal with literacy.let us take Iran as case study:

Literacy
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: above 80%[8]
male: 86%
female: 75.0% (2003 est.)

note that,it is recorded presently that the number of female university students and graduates in Iran surpass the number of their male counterparts.

"Progress Of Iran Under An Islamic Regime (shariah)"

https://www.nairaland.com/908175/progress-iran-under-islamic-regime

1) Forget quoting the Koran for a second. Seriously, are you saying that it is against Allah's will to let women wear shorts and tight tops? You make Allah sound like he is Hot. Sorry, but that's what it looks like to an unbeliever

2)I said equality and literacy "together" and not "separately". Qatar also has a high literacy rate. However, equality is not present in both Iran and Qatar. Minorities have no rights under Sharia law. If they can not freely express their religion in public, then there is no freedom or equality. Simple. If you feel that it is wrong for minorities to preach their religion in Sharia countries, why do muslims like yourself hypocritically go to non-sharia countries to preach Islam?

logicboy: Sharia never excels where there is equality and literacy together, have you noticed?

Do you know the worst thing about Sharia? Ask any lawyer about law/lawbooks and he/she will tell you that laws and lawbooks have to be updated. The lawyers will also tell you that some laws become obsolete. Tell me, if every law needs updating, how can Sharia law be God's law? Does God's law need updating?

How is the Koran relevant to the internet or stem cell research? How does the Koran legislate genetically modified food? Are those food halal or haram?

logicboy:
1) Forget quoting the Koran for a second. Seriously, are you saying that it is against Allah's will to let women wear shorts and tight tops? You make Allah sound like he is Hot. Sorry, but that's what it looks like to an unbelievere

why did you refuse to answer my question?

any dress that corrupt both the society and man's soul and spirituality is not permitted islamically and therefore against God.

and besides,you should mind your language if you want me to continue replying to your posts.

2)I said equality and literacy "together" and not "separately". Qatar also has a high literacy rate. However, equality is not present in both Iran and Qatar. Minorities have no rights under Sharia law. If they can not freely express their religion in public, then there is no freedom or equality. Simple. If you feel that it is wrong for minorities to preach their religion in Sharia countries, why do muslims like yourself hypocritically go to non-sharia countries to preach Islam?

it is a false notion as already shown that minorities have no rights under shariah law.i have proven that with Iran as not all iranian are Muslims.about 5% are jews,christians and zoroastrians.Qatar is 100% muslim.so are you refering to migrant workers as minorities?it does not make sense to me.

non-sharia countries that are secular do not have laws that ban their citizens from preaching their faiths.had those countries being christian countries with a cleric leading the government,the story would be different.then preaching would be done in a possibly better manner.the countries would exchange well educated preachers to hold public talks and gathering instead of preying on anyone you see passing in the streets or raising up provocative billboards as you earlier suggested.

Do you know the worst thing about Sharia? Ask any lawyer about law/lawbooks and he/she will tell you that laws and lawbooks have to be updated. The lawyers will also tell you that some laws become obsolete. Tell me, if every law needs updating, how can Sharia law be God's law? Does God's law need updating?

How is the Koran relevant to the internet or stem cell research? How does the Koran legislate genetically modified food? Are those food halal or haram?

Sharia law itsel is not divine.the Quran is divine.there are sometimes need for jurist to interprete certain verses of the Quran.so whatever mistake that is done through interpretation is therefore human and not divine in the Sharia.what is divine is the Quran.talking about laws that become obsolete have to do with time than the law.and talking about re-interpretation has to do with being human.this is happening because presently there is no representative of God on earth that manifest himself to humanity or in direct contact to rule.

LagosShia:
why did you refuse to answer my question?

any dress that corrupt both the society and man's soul and spirituality is not permitted islamically and therefore against God.

and besides,you should mind your language if you want me to continue replying to your posts.

What was the question, please?

LagosShia:
it is a false notion as already shown that minorities have no rights under shariah law.i have proven that with Iran as not all iranian are Muslims.about 5% are jews,christians and zoroastrians.Qatar is 100% muslim.so are you refering to migrant workers as minorities?it does not make sense to me.

non-sharia countries that are secular do not have laws that ban their citizens from preaching their faiths.had those countries being christian countries with a cleric leading the government,the story would be different.then preaching would be done in a possibly better manner.the countries would exchange well educated preachers to hold public talks and gathering instead of preying on anyone you see passing in the streets or raising up provocative billboards as you earlier suggested.

Qatar is not 100% muslim. Lots of Indians (indian hindus and muslims)_are there with Qatari passports. Lol, my best friend from Qatar is even indian. Nice try.

Provocative billboards? If someone can put a billboard saying "there is only Allah" (which is offensive to me as an atheist but if freedom of speech), why cant I express my freedom of speech and put up a billboard saying "there is no God".

LagosShia:
Sharia law itsel is not divine.the Quran is divine.there are sometimes need for jurist to interprete certain verses of the Quran.so whatever mistake that is done through interpretation is therefore human and not divine in the Sharia.what is divine is the Quran.talking about laws that become obsolete have to do with time than the law.and talking about re-interpretation has to do with being human.this is happening because presently there is no representative of God on earth that manifest himself to humanity or in direct contact to rule.

The Koran itself is not divine. You say your God is infinite but the Koran itself is a finite book with finite laws.

The Koran is not divine. If it is, why is it containing stories from the bible?