This same god that they call all merciful and all knowing created evil. why?
now,people said satan is a bad person, who created him, no b God?
Bill gates, without religion has donated billions to charity, how many has Oyedepo,who labelhimself a bishop donated (but slaps).
Infact,scientist maybe right in the theory of evolution.
how can a loving God watch millions of people go into hell fire everyday? we the creature are like ps3 game console between God and Satan and obviously they say, satan is winning and God will be happy to burn those he claimed to love (he love the unbelievers more).
lastly, God destroyed all mankind (because they chose to live how they wish) with water according to bible, except one family. highest murdercase of all time.
God has the spirit of anger,but yet, a man who gets furious and destroys things has sinned and go to hell fire.but if nah god, nah normal thing

^^^ All you need to do is reject the religious idea of God and think about a philosophical construct of God and a prime-mover or first cause of all that exists.

Deep Sight:
^^^ All you need to do is reject the religious idea of God and think about a philosophical construct of God and a prime-mover or first cause of all that exists.

yeah, u are really right. but i first have to uninstall those religious brainwash. too many religions, all fake

And Pastor AIO's assertion keeps proving right..

Pastor AIO: like I suspected. Nairaland is doing a great deal to make people atheists and it is not the atheists that are causing it. It is the Inanity of the religious folks.

Not to mention d harmful effects of brainwashing people especially innocent kids!!!

"Don't worry Junior, just share with ur neighbour,,,or else,,,,U WILL BURN ETERNALly In HELLLLLLL!!!!"

There goes 20 yrs of nightmares nd fear driven anxiety!!! Until Junior becomes Senior nd longer wants to believe in Big Daddy!!

Hi, solidbroda, It is really unfortunate for you to express the view that you may no longer believe in God. I believe that if you had had a better understanding of God, you would not have made that expression. In the first place, God never created evil. Satan, as we know him now, was one of the archangels of God, called Lucifer then. See Isaiah, 14:12-15. Unfortunately, Lucifer rebelled against God and was ejected from the Heavenly world and sent packing to the earth and from that very moment of his rebellion, he opted to be Evil. See Rev. 12: 7-9.

When man was first created, God placed him in a comfortable environment - in the Garden of Eden and gave him authority over every living creature. Man was to take care of the Garden and be obedient to God who created him, but Satan came calling, deceived man who eventually disobeyed God. No father would want his child to disobey him, nor would a father give his young child freedom to behave the way he wants. No! A child has to live according to the dictates of his father until he became a full adult. Even then, a father will continue to give wise counsel to his son. While man was created a free moral agent, he was not completely independent from God. God created man, the entire universe and every other living creature, so we are all answerable to God.

Despite man's disobedience to God, our loving God still made a way for us to be reconciled back to Him, by sending Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son to die to atone for our sins. John 3:16. The opportunity we all have now is to believe in Jesus Christ, be saved and get fully reconciled to our loving Father - the Almighty God.

I will advise you to attend a Bible believing Church and as you get closer to God, you will definitely understand Him better and eventually reverse your opinion of Him. Remain blessed in Jesus' name.

Do not be carnaly minded bros. It is appointed unto man to die once and after that the Judgement!

Man can not judge God, God the righteous judge with Judge all of us.

Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.

@ goodyman
@ east
@ all others who believe in Christian or Islamic God

i believe all your stories and statements but there are some contradictions there which i will like you to address

1. If God is omniscient like the Bible and Quran says, he would know that some somewhere in the future Lucifer will metamorphosise into satan and disrupt His original good intention for man therby causing a great sorrow for mankind both on earth now and hereafter in hell fire. if you know something evil will happen to your child (omniscience) and you can prevent it (omnipotent) and you didnt do anything to prevent or stop its effects, can we rightly call you a good parent?

2. Many people are not born into christian family like you and many are born into rigid non-christian regime e.g. Iran, Korea etc. does it mean they will spend eternity burning alive somewhere in the Lake of fire for nor accepting a foreign religion and believing Jesus as a Lord and Saviour. remember that other religions too believe christians will go to hell for not accepting their religion. If God is truly Omnibenevolent (All Good) why did he allow so many religions to confuse mankind, with a threat of eternal hell fire peradventure your religion happens to be a false one. why

3. you said the ONLY way to be saved is is to believe in Christ and accept his sacrifice. but, pls be honest, will you say the same thing if you had been born into a muslim family or buddhist family and you faithfully believe what "God" revealed to you as a true believer and follower of one one these other religions?.

4. does condemning a person to burn alive for billions and billions of years for not believing something without tangible proof an evidence of a Loving God or a Most Merciful and the Most Beneficient Almighty Allah as both christianity and islam teach us?

5. If truly God is All-Wise and All-Powerful according to the Bible and Quran, why has He not succeeded in winning the hearts of men to Him after all the years, afterall He is the Almighty. why does He need to threaten us in order to make us believe in Him and follow him. imagine a man that proposes to a lady by saying "I love you so much i could lay down my life for you, pls believe and be my wife forever, but if you refuse my proposal, i have a torture chamber where i will torture you for uncountable years with NO hope of escaping, so you better marry me now or tommorow maybe too late" will you say that is love or a threat.

i need a honest and truthful answers, if you know.

solidbroda:
Infact,scientist maybe right in the theory of evolution.

as in apes are your cousins? Why use maybe? Be certain so we cannot be sued for being racist if we call you "son of an ape'

jmoore:

as in apes are your cousins? Why use maybe? Be certain so we cannot be sued for being racist if we call you "son of an ape'

it is attitudes like this that drive people away from Christianity, no need to abuse and insult people. you will do well to just address the issue at hand and stop this name-calling.

cyrexx:

it is attitudes like this that drive people away from Christianity, no need to abuse and insult people. you will do well to just address the issue at hand and stop this name-calling.

really? what's evolution? It is now an insult for an atheist to believe that apes are his or her ancestors? Evolution teaches that!!

solidbroda: This same god that they call all merciful and all knowing created evil. why?
now,people said satan is a bad person, who created him, no b God?
Bill gates, without religion has donated billions to charity, how many has Oyedepo,who labelhimself a bishop donated (but slaps).
Infact,scientist maybe right in the theory of evolution.
how can a loving God watch millions of people go into hell fire everyday? we the creature are like ps3 game console between God and Satan and obviously they say, satan is winning and God will be happy to burn those he claimed to love (he love the unbelievers more).
lastly, God destroyed all mankind (because they chose to live how they wish) with water according to bible, except one family. highest murdercase of all time.
God has the spirit of anger,but yet, a man who gets furious and destroys things has sinned and go to hell fire.but if nah god, nah normal thing

They that know their God shall be strong and do exploits.
Perceive God from the air you breath. He is not a man. He is too big for a man to comprehend.
If you seek him He will reveal Himself to you.
For sure there is a God in heaven ,the creator of the heavens and the Earth.

jmoore:

as in apes are your cousins? Why use maybe? Be certain so we cannot be sued for being racist if we call you "son of an ape'

their are no kids here. please go to the below 12 section n make ur childish contributions. tnx

jmoore:

really? what's evolution? It is now an insult for an atheist to believe that apes are his or her ancestors? Evolution teaches that!!

personally, i dont believe evolution, because they do not have sufficient evidence to explain the origin of life, so i cant answer the question "what is evolution".
but neither do i believe the Christian or Islamic idea of God, because of so many contradictions (read my earlier post), that may be the reason why people are exploring if evolution may explain the origin of life contrary to what religions teach.
but note that evolutionists can attempt to logically explain their theory, can religionists attempt to logically explain their idea of God and creation.
peace

jmoore:

as in apes are your cousins? Why use maybe? Be certain so we cannot be sued for being racist if we call you "son of an ape'

Just so you know, you are an ape. Just like all other humans on earth.

solidbroda: This same god that they call all merciful and all knowing created evil. why?
now,people said satan is a bad person, who created him, no b God?
Bill gates, without religion has donated billions to charity, how many has Oyedepo,who labelhimself a bishop donated (but slaps).
Infact,scientist maybe right in the theory of evolution.
how can a loving God watch millions of people go into hell fire everyday? we the creature are like ps3 game console between God and Satan and obviously they say, satan is winning and God will be happy to burn those he claimed to love (he love the unbelievers more).
lastly, God destroyed all mankind (because they chose to live how they wish) with water according to bible, except one family. highest murdercase of all time.
God has the spirit of anger,but yet, a man who gets furious and destroys things has sinned and go to hell fire.but if nah god, nah normal thing

Good for you. It looks as if you've been reading your Bible without the God glasses on.

I think if God is alive, then, religion has turned it upside down. Most of you talking of hell, how sure are you that you wont go there. No man is 100 per cent upright, and a single sin can keep you in hell after much holiness.
The God tHat preches love deliberatEly had tHe tRee of good and evil inThe garden of Eden, and yet man fall and we were purnished for our lack of experience witH death. if you have a new born baby, and he makes A mistake, will you kill him cos of hisLack of experience?
and point of correction, this tHing has been on my mind a long time before i knew naira land. jus wanta people's opinion. tNx

kola oloye:
They that know their God shall be strong and do exploits.
Perceive God from the air you breath. He is not a man. He is too big for a man to comprehend.
If you seek him He will reveal Himself to you.
For sure there is a God in heaven ,the creator of the heavens and the Earth.

Sir,
which God are you referring to.
is He One who reveals Himself to Mohammed and mandated us to believe Mohammed is His messenger or else we go to hell for eternity
or the One that came in the flesh and says we should believe Jesus Christ is the only Savoiur or else we go to hell for eternity,
or many many others followed by many millions all over the world that reveals different truths to different cultures.
dear sir, pls i need to know so i dont seek the wrong God and escape the hell of the true God

thehomer:

Good for you. It looks as if you've been reading your Bible without the God glasses on.

common man...imagine if you were a muslim, wont you think the xhe millions tians are wrong like sumone statEd above? look at billions of people who had died before the spread of christianity n co, will they go to hell? if they do, is that true love?

thehomer:

Good for you. It looks as if you've been reading your Bible without the God glasses on.

sir, can u explain what you mean by "God glasses"

thehomer:

Just so you know, you are an ape. Just like all other humans on earth.

Lol, speak for yourself. That's what you believe. Your own "belief" is paining you?

solidbroda: common man...imagine if you were a muslim, wont you think the xhe millions tians are wrong like sumone statEd above? look at billions of people who had died before the spread of christianity n co, will they go to hell? if they do, is that true love?

[size=15pt] Wait a minute bro, do you realy think your little mind can really comprehend the thought and purpose of the king of all ages? The one who existed before time, the source of all sources (Positive) the one who is truly pure and holy without blemish, you think your shallow mind can comprehend or even fathom his ways?
Maybe you need to think again bro, you only know him to the certain level to which he reveals himself to you, it will take you eternity to fully understand this God, i'm speaking to you based on the revelation of him i had, he is indeed pure and blameless, holiness is his nature.

Do you know lucifer is smiling at your writing/post? Cos that is his ultimate plan, to make God's creature (MAN) to look God in the face and accuse him, calling him all sought of names, and blame God for all the evil happening in the world and most of all label or rather paint and view God as incompetent creator.

Dont you think lucifer is already succeeding, someday you're gonna feel so sorry for your perception about God cos by that time you would have known him better - I just hope it would'nt be too late then! [/size]

solidbroda: common man...imagine if you were a muslim, wont you think the xhe millions tians are wrong like sumone statEd above? look at billions of people who had died before the spread of christianity n co, will they go to hell? if they do, is that true love?

Sure if I were a Muslim but then, I think they're both wrong really. Maybe they'll go to hell and that isn't true love.

cyrexx:

sir, can u explain what you mean by "God glasses"

By God glasses, I mean reading the Bible without actually considering what the words mean or imply about the nature of God. The glasses help you overlook the terrible aspects of his nature and make you think that he is actually good.

joe4christ:

[size=15pt] Wait a minute bro, do you realy think your little mind can really comprehend the thought and purpose of the king of all ages? The one who existed before time, the source of all sources (Positive) the one who is truly pure and holy without blemish, you think your shallow mind can comprehend or even fathom his ways?
Maybe you need to think again bro, you only know him to the certain level to which he reveals himself to you, it will take you eternity to fully understand this God, i'm speaking to you based on the revelation of him i had, he is indeed pure and blameless, holiness is his nature.

Do you know lucifer is smiling at your writing/post? Cos that is his ultimate plan, to make God's creature (MAN) to look God in the face and accuse him, calling him all sought of names, and blame God for all the evil happening in the world and most of all label or rather paint and view God as incompetent creator.

Dont you think lucifer is already succeeding, someday you're gonna feel so sorry for your perception about God cos by that time you would have known him better - I just hope it would'nt be too late then! [/size]

ye! ori iya mi o. i'm getting scared o. i think this God-threat is working. He loves me and threatens to burn me alive for eternity. i think i will now believe in Him cos i dont want to end up in His torture chamber for eternity.

jmoore:

Lol, speak for yourself. That's what you believe. Your own "belief" is paining you?

It isn't what I believe, it is what science says. Humans are a subclass of apes so if you're not an ape, you cannot be a human. Maybe you're an elephant or a kangaroo but not a human.
Please read through this reference.

joe4christ:

[size=15pt] Wait a minute bro, do you realy think your little mind can really comprehend the thought and purpose of the king of all ages? The one who existed before time, the source of all sources (Positive) the one who is truly pure and holy without blemish, you think your shallow mind can comprehend or even fathom his ways?
Maybe you need to think again bro, you only know him to the certain level to which he reveals himself to you, it will take you eternity to fully understand this God, i'm speaking to you based on the revelation of him i had, he is indeed pure and blameless, holiness is his nature.

Do you know lucifer is smiling at your writing/post? Cos that is his ultimate plan, to make God's creature (MAN) to look God in the face and accuse him, calling him all sought of names, and blame God for all the evil happening in the world and most of all label or rather paint and view God as incompetent creator.

Dont you think lucifer is already succeeding, someday you're gonna feel so sorry for your perception about God cos by that time you would have known him better - I just hope it would'nt be too late then! [/size]

i think you are delusional. the king of all ages who doesnt know tHat lucifer will come around tO fight him,or who is not aware that man will fall tRu a garden tree he plantEd. how do you knowLucifer is smiling. do you see him or you dine with him? open your mind bro,religion itself is d devil's workshop

thehomer:

By God glasses, I mean reading the Bible without actually considering what the words mean or imply about the nature of God. The glasses help you overlook the terrible aspects of his nature and make you think that he is actually good.

the muslims and other religions nko? what glasses should THey use?

thehomer:

It isn't what I believe, it is what science says. Humans are a subclass of apes so if you're not an ape, you cannot be a human. Maybe you're an elephant or a kangaroo but not a human.
Please read through this reference.

that's an atheistic scientific theory. God created me! believe evolution and then believe you are an ape

i respect your insightful post, man

but seriously, why are there no religionists to answer these questions. i have the same questions on my mind too, but i was afraid to voice them out, so i dont lose my salvation. i'm glad somebody brought it up.
believers in Islam and Christianity, where are you. answer these questions instead of majoring on the minors.

cyrexx: @

1. If God is omniscient like the Bible and Quran says, he would know that some somewhere in the future Lucifer will metamorphosise into satan and disrupt His original good intention for man therby causing a great sorrow for mankind both on earth now and hereafter in hell fire. if you know something evil will happen to your child (omniscience) and you can prevent it (omnipotent) and you didnt do anything to prevent or stop its effects, can we rightly call you a good parent?

2. Many people are not born into christian family like you and many are born into rigid non-christian regime e.g. Iran, Korea etc. does it mean they will spend eternity burning alive somewhere in the Lake of fire for nor accepting a foreign religion and believing Jesus as a Lord and Saviour. remember that other religions too believe christians will go to hell for not accepting their religion. If God is truly Omnibenevolent (All Good) why did he allow so many religions to confuse mankind, with a threat of eternal hell fire peradventure your religion happens to be a false one. why

3. you said the ONLY way to be saved is is to believe in Christ and accept his sacrifice. but, pls be honest, will you say the same thing if you had been born into a muslim family or buddhist family and you faithfully believe what "God" revealed to you as a true believer and follower of one one these other religions?.

4. does condemning a person to burn alive for billions and billions of years for not believing something without tangible proof an evidence of a Loving God or a Most Merciful and the Most Beneficient Almighty Allah as both christianity and islam teach us?

5. If truly God is All-Wise and All-Powerful according to the Bible and Quran, why has He not succeeded in winning the hearts of men to Him after all the years, afterall He is the Almighty. why does He need to threaten us in order to make us believe in Him and follow him. imagine a man that proposes to a lady by saying "I love you so much i could lay down my life for you, pls believe and be my wife forever, but if you refuse my proposal, i have a torture chamber where i will torture you for uncountable years with NO hope of escaping, so you better marry me now or tommorow maybe too late" will you say that is love or a threat.

solidbroda: the muslims and other religions nko? what glasses should THey use?

Any glasses they like but to gain the most accurate perspective, they should take them off.

jmoore:

that's an atheistic scientific theory. God created me! believe evolution and then believe you are an ape

The theory of gravity, the germ theory of disease, the theory of plate tectonics are also atheistic in that sense.
You're also an ape whether you like it or not. Unless of course you're claiming you're not a human.