Tsk tsk tsk. The topic of aliens sure pisses you off, doesn't it. I just wonder why. Are you in the know, by any chance? Perhaps you are angry that i am letting the lid off on sensitive data you don't want Nigerians to know, perhaps? Your reactions to this topic are certainly suspicious enough to raise eyebrows.

Martian:

Says the fool who believes in David Icke's reptilians.
dumb a$$ spoof who thinks he lives in a "3D simulated holographic universe".
F#cktard who posted a thread about Saturn being the earth's "star"

Ach! May i add, centaurs, mermaids, titans, unicorns, cyclops and elves. All real creatures of the ancient past.

Martian:

I rest my case.
I wish to add Vampires, werewolves, shapeshifters, wizards, warlocks,maenads, and Fairies.

Thank you, and good night!

It's kind of hilarious watching the " atheists" fight among themselves..
First of all if you believe in one thing and have no belief in another, there should ne no conflict whatsoever between the two..

Atheists who see a conflict between Religion and science are pseudoatheists in my opinion..If you don't believe in something it should pose as no threat or conflict to you.

There shouldn't really be any conflict between science and religion except that some scientific theories are faulty. The theories and explanations given to Evolution and the big ba.ng are two of such culprits..
The true meaning of evolution is not evolution of one life form to another on earth but rather evolution of consciousness or intelligence if you will.

Life did not come into being by random chance but by intelligent design. There was a mind that designed the universe and all life forms in it. It may appear that one life form evolved from another. The reason is because all life forms are designed by the same intelligence..

When the scientific community begins to realise and gets to this truth people will begin to see the harmony between religion and science..

nyameke: It's kind of hilarious watching the " atheists" fight among themselves..
First of all if you believe in one thing and have no belief in another, there should ne no conflict whatsoever between the two..

Atheists who see a conflict between Religion and science are pseudoatheists in my opinion..If you don't believe in something it should pose as no threat or conflict to you.

There shouldn't really be any conflict between science and religion except that some scientific theories are faulty. The theories and explanations given to Evolution and the big ba.ng are two of such culprits..
The true meaning of evolution is not evolution of one life form to another on earth but rather evolution of consciousness.

Life did not come into being by random chance but by intelligent design. There was a mind that designed the universe and all life forms in it. It may appear that one life form evolved from another. The reason is because all life forms are designed by the same intelligence..

When the scientific community begins to realise and gets to this truth people will begin to see the harmony between religion and science..

Wow. You're very confident in your ignorance. Do you know what a scientific theory is? You dont think that it is a strange coincidence that of all the scientific theories, the ones that religious people say are faulty are the ones that go against their doctrine?


Why not reject germ theory or the theory of gravity?


Evolution has proof/evidence. Cant say the same for God or gods

Actually, nyameke, i am not an atheist. So, kindly count me out of the atheist population of nairaland, please.

Nyameke, they already have come to this realization much longer back than you can imagine. They just aren't telling folks like logicboy because, as you can see, they are not ready for it, so they leave them with the 1920s scientific data to play around with. The science community is so far ahead of the data available to these atheists that it isn't even funny.

nyameke: When the scientific community begins to realise and gets to this truth people will begin to see the harmony between religion and science..

Martian:

Because.....read your bible!

The Bible already conflicts with the Bible in many ways so reading it for an answer is already accepting the conflict.

Jenwitemi: Nyameke, they already have come to this realization much longer back than you can imagine. They just aren't telling folks like logicboy because, as you can see, they are not ready for it, so they leave them with the 1920s scientific data to play around with. The science community is so far ahead of the data available to these atheists that it isn't even funny.

Jenwitemi, you keep sounding like a buddhist;

"many paths, one destination".

Jenwitemi: Actually, nyameke, i am not an atheist. So, kindly count me out of the atheist population of nairaland, please.

well glad to know you are not an atheist good choice .. Btw I don't have problem with atheist. People can believe in whatever they like not my problem.. we are all here to make a choice

logicboy:



Wow. You're very confident in your ignorance. Do you know what a scientific theory is? You dont think that it is a strange coincidence that of all the scientific theories, the ones that religious people say are faulty are the ones that go against their doctrine?


Why not reject germ theory or the theory of gravity?


Evolution has proof/evidence. Cant say the same for God or gods

you are actually the ignorant one who thinks he has any iota of intelligence.. Trust me an intelligent person is like a fool to super intelligent being..

Your views are corrupted. Not having knowledge or understanding/wisdom to or about something does not make it wrong or nonexistent..

Btw do you see how ignorant you sound why should Christianity or religion not accept something (germ theory etc even though in the bigger scheme of things diseases are caused by thought patterns )if it is true.?

I repeat one life form does not evolve into another.. yes evolution exist but the only evolution is evolution of consciousness and not species.. Human beings did not evolve from any other species .. That is a bigger ignorance and lie ever told.
Evolution the way you have been told will not be proven because it is faulty period..

Exactly. This is what i believe in.

logicboy:


"many paths, one destination".

Jenwitemi: Exactly. This is what i believe in.

@ Temi why do you believe in many paths and why if I may ask?

nyameke: you are actually the ignorant one who thinks he has any iota of intelligence.. Trust me an intelligent person is like a fool to super intelligent being..

Your views are corrupted. Not having knowledge or understanding/wisdom to or about something does not make it wrong or nonexistent..

Btw do you see how ignorant you sound why should Christianity or religion not accept something (germ theory etc even though in the bigger scheme of things diseases are caused by thought patterns )if it is true.?

I repeat one life form does not evolve into another.. yes evolution exist but the only evolution is evolution of consciousness and not species.. Human beings did not evolve from any other species .. That is a bigger ignorance and lie ever told.
Evolution the way you have been told will not be proven because it is faulty period..

My god, your sheer ignorance almost converted me into a believer!

I am lost for words! Where does one even start to begin with this foolishness?

Ehem, so do you ignore the human transitional fossils and the current evolution in living organisms today? Can you explain why humans no longer need their wisdom teeth?

Jenwitemi: Exactly. This is what i believe in.

I always had a hunch that you were one of those hippies with peace messages

What?! Are we still living in the 60s? You don't have to be a hippie to have peace messages, dude. All you need is to be more evolved in your consciousness to realize that harmony, peace and love is the ultimate goal of any sentient living being like we humans in this universe.

logicboy:


I always had a hunch that you were one of those hippies with peace messages

Jenwitemi: What?! Are we still living in the 60s? You don't have to be a hippie to have peace messages, dude. All you need is to be more evolved in your consciousness to realize that harmony, peace and love is the ultimate goal of any sentient living being like we humans in this universe.

Whatever, love guru

logicboy:



My god, your sheer ignorance almost converted me into a believer!

I am lost for words! Where does one even start to begin with this foolishness?

Ehem, so do you ignore the human transitional fossils and the current evolution in living organisms today? Can you explain why humans no longer need their wisdom teeth?

lol this guy self. Speaking of ignorance and foolishness..Dude I been there done all that son trust me I'm not impressed come harder..

I repeat evolution the one way you have been told would never be proven.. Trust me there is nothing you know about evolution that I don't know.. Look, for every number of articles talking about the proof of evolution that you know I can provide evidence contrary to that.. but unfortunately for you I don't have your time because we are not on the same or level of consciousness.

And did you say ignoring human transitional fossils? Lol keep ignoring your brain.. look the truth is there is nothing lime transitional fossils son. Evidence of transitional fossils are all bogus ..

What you need to understand is that it is nature or logos of God/universal intelligence to take the most efficient route in forming the universe. It began with the big bang of light into all other states of matter. The different states of matter were then shaped into different forms such as stars, nebulas and planets. God did the same thing with the formation of life. It starts from the most basic and advances from there. It always lay the foundation first and then builds upon it. This sequential ordering of events explains why evolution is the process.

The process of evolution is not evolution of organic matter or species but evolution of consciousness or intelligence. From the simple to the complex.. There are no intermediate forms of life and will never be one.. humans are humans and apes would be apes...

Btw @ logicboy I don't care if you become a believer or not that's your prerogative..we all have to make our choices

nyameke: lol this guy self. Speaking of ignorance and foolishness..Dude I been there done all that son trust me I'm not impressed come harder..
I repeat evolution the one way you have been told would never be proven.. Trust me there is nothing you know about evolution that I don't know.. Look, for every number of articles talking about the proof of evolution that you know I can provide evidence contrary to that.. but unfortunately for you I don't have your time because we are not on the same or level of consciousness.
And did you say ignoring human transitional fossils? Lol keep ignoring your brain.. look the truth is there is nothing lime transitional fossils son. Evidence of transitional fossils are all bogus ..
What you need to understand is that it is nature or logos of God/universal intelligence to take the most efficient route in forming the universe. It began with the big bang of light into all other states of matter. The different states of matter were then shaped into different forms such as stars, nebulas and planets. God did the same thing with the formation of life. It starts from the most basic and advances from there. It always lay the foundation first and then builds upon it. This sequential ordering of events explains why evolution is the process.
The process of evolution is not evolution of organic matter or species but evolution of consciousness or intelligence. From the simple to the complex.. There are no intermediate forms of life and will never be one.. humans are humans and apes would be apes...

This is great. You have mananged to deny evolution, accept the big b@ang theory, apply evolution to the big b@ng theory, accept evolution, credit it to your sky fairy, and then deny evolution again. You're a breath of fresh air!

Martian:

This is great. You have mananged to deny evolution, accept the big b@ang theory, apply evolution to the big b@ng theory, accept evolution, credit it to your sky fairy, and then deny evolution again. You're a breath of fresh air!

ok whats your point ? Where did I deny evolution or the big ban.g theory.

I said both theories are faulty and that the way it has been explained to the masses is false.. I then explained what the real evolution is. Just like the big ba.ng evolution is half the truth that people know or have been revealed..

I said from the beginning that once people begin to perceive the real truth about these theories, they will begin to understand the harmony between religion and science..

Science does not discredit religion in anyway only ignorance does.. when you have knowledge of the workings of this universe everything makes sense.. when you don't things don't add up

nyameke: ok whats your point ? Where did I deny evolution or the big ban.g theory.
I said both theories are faulty and that the way it has been explained to the masses is false.. I then explained what the real evolution is. Just like the big ba.ng evolution is half the truth that people know or have been revealed..
I said from the beginning that once people begin to perceive the real truth about these theories, they will begin to understand the harmony between religion and science..
Science does not discredit religion in anyway only ignorance does.. when you have knowledge of the workings of this universe everything makes sense.. when you don't things don't add up

Whatever you say.

thehomer:

I guess it is a good thing that Anon. is quoted as saying that there is true religion because I would really like to know what this true religion that describes reality is. Who can speak for Anon.?

Read James 1:27. It will be unwise for you to disagree with the definition of religion given there.

Martian:

There is no conflict!!! It's people like you and the fundamentalist christians who insist on this "conflict". If you ay that there is a conflict, that implies that creationism is a possible scientific theory, and we know it's not.


Evolution is a scientific theory like the other extant scientific theories while creationism is nothing but the judeo christian myth that some ould like to call science. Calling their irrationality science is an insult to the scientific process. Sorry if I sounded harsh earlier but you give these christians and their irrationalities too much credence. Call creationism what it truly is, BULLSHIT

There is a conflict and kudos to the creationists & ID'sts for holding their own against the neo-Darwinian orthodoxy. You can reread my arguments against you and thehomer on evolution. Natural selection fails TOTALLY on account of the fact that it's a fallacy of reification. Nature has no cognituve capacity, it's a classification of things and therefore can't be said to select.

Uyi Iredia:
Nature has no cognituve capacity, it's a classification of things and therefore can't be said to select.

Do you have cognitive capacity? Are you a part of nature?

Martian:

Do you have cognitive capacity? Are you a part of nature?

I have cognitive capacity as well as other primates & Ikm a part of Nature. However answer this question: Do you know of ANY naturally-occuring code aside from those found the DNA or virus RNA sequences ?

nyameke: lol this guy self. Speaking of ignorance and foolishness..Dude I been there done all that son trust me I'm not impressed come harder..

I repeat evolution the one way you have been told would never be proven.. Trust me there is nothing you know about evolution that I don't know.. Look, for every number of articles talking about the proof of evolution that you know I can provide evidence contrary to that.. but unfortunately for you I don't have your time because we are not on the same or level of consciousness.

And did you say ignoring human transitional fossils? Lol keep ignoring your brain.. look the truth is there is nothing lime transitional fossils son. Evidence of transitional fossils are all bogus ..

What you need to understand is that it is nature or logos of God/universal intelligence to take the most efficient route in forming the universe. It began with the big bang of light into all other states of matter. The different states of matter were then shaped into different forms such as stars, nebulas and planets. God did the same thing with the formation of life. It starts from the most basic and advances from there. It always lay the foundation first and then builds upon it. This sequential ordering of events explains why evolution is the process.

The process of evolution is not evolution of organic matter or species but evolution of consciousness or intelligence. From the simple to the complex.. There are no intermediate forms of life and will never be one.. humans are humans and apes would be apes...

Religious people like you always talk big but always fail to provide facts, proof or evidence.

The evidence for evolution lies in the human transitional fossils and the current evolution of man why are humans not needing their wisdom teeth? Why are humans bigger than they were in the middle ages?


Transitional fossils;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96bkdohMZE




http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=%5B13+mya%5D+Pierolapithecus+catalaunicus+&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=on

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=+%5B4.4+mya%5D+Ardipithecus+&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B3.7+mya%5D+Australopithecus&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B1.9+mya%5D+Homo+rudolfensis+&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B1.9+to+1.6+mya%5D+Homo+habilis&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B1.7+to+.25+mya%5D+Homo+erectus+&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0


These are scientific journals for all the human transitional fossils mentioned in the video

Fossils Displayed (dates are approximate):
[13 mya] Pierolapithecus catalaunicus
[4.4 mya] Ardipithecus
[3.7 mya] Australopithecus
[1.9 mya] Homo rudolfensis
[1.9 to 1.6 mya] Homo habilis
[1.7 to .25 mya] Homo erectus


Please feel free to try and debunk them

Uyi Iredia:

Read James 1:27. It will be unwise for you to disagree with the definition of religion given there.

Is that a definition of religion? Caring for poor people? Can one then say governments and social security are religions?

Uyi Iredia:

There is a conflict and kudos to the creationists & ID'sts for holding their own against the neo-Darwinian orthodoxy. You can reread my arguments against you and thehomer on evolution. Natural selection fails TOTALLY on account of the fact that it's a fallacy of reification. Nature has no cognituve capacity, it's a classification of things and therefore can't be said to select.

Can you point to three peer reviewed articles that support this claim of intelligent design?
You were unable to present any arguments because you kept on committing a fallacy. You refused to make the necessary corrections there and you've come here to continue with the very same fallacy.
Do yourself a favour and read this article on Natural Selection. Then see if the question you're asking is relevant.

Uyi Iredia:

I have cognitive capacity as well as other primates & Ikm a part of Nature. However answer this question: Do you know of ANY naturally-occuring code aside from those found the DNA or virus RNA sequences ?

This is more misunderstanding. This is the sort of ambiguity that intelligent design proponents use to confuse people.
DNA and RNA are molecules. A code is an abstract concept. Humans have been able to understand the way those molecules work to the extent that they're able to work out the rules and represent them in various ways.
What is the point of presenting another naturally occurring code?

Uyi Iredia:

I have cognitive capacity as well as other primates & Ikm a part of Nature. However answer this question: Do you know of ANY naturally-occuring code aside from those found the DNA or virus RNA sequences ?

Ok then, nature has cognitive capacity.I only know the about DNA and RNA molecules because of biologists and evolution. You can credi them to your particular Jewish deity, that's your prerogative. I still dont see any conflict between science and religion because I dont regard supernatural ideas as nothing but ignorance and superstition nor do I think they are alternatives for anything,

logicboy:


Religious people like you always talk big but always fail to provide facts, proof or evidence.

The evidence for evolution lies in the human transitional fossils and the current evolution of man why are humans not neeuding their wisdom teeth? Why are humans bigger than they were in the middle ages?


Transitional fossils;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96bkdohMZE




http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=%5B13+mya%5D+Pierolapithecus+catalaunicus+&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=on

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=+%5B4.4+mya%5D+Ardipithecus+&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B3.7+mya%5D+Australopithecus&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B1.9+mya%5D+Homo+rudolfensis+&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B1.9+to+1.6+mya%5D+Homo+habilis&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%5B1.7+to+.25+mya%5D+Homo+erectus+&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0


These are scientific journals for all the human transitional fossils mentioned in the video

Fossils Displayed (dates are approximate):
[13 mya] Pierolapithecus catalaunicus
[4.4 mya] Ardipithecus
[3.7 mya] Australopithecus
[1.9 mya] Homo rudolfensis
[1.9 to 1.6 mya] Homo habilis
[1.7 to .25 mya] Homo erectus


Please feel free to try and debunk them

hahaha see foolishness and ignorance.. so those are your transitional evidence that proves evolution.. Are you sure you understand evolution? Look you are an amateur and I don't have your time..

I never took you serious when I came across your reasons for being an atheist and I'm not about to do now..

Btw what did you expected me to do with those journal websites you presented? Did you expected me to get your points through those numerous journals lol. Is that how you present your proves and your arguments? This guy self

I repeat there are no intermediate states of life forms. I don't think you really understand evolution because if you did you would know what a " transitional fossil" really is and not what you have been fed.. I will leave you with this though:


When asked about why he didn't put one single picture of intermediate fossils in his book about evolution;
This is what one of your own, Dr. Colin Patterson a respected well known evolutionist, Director of the British Museum of Natural History,( where there are about 7 million fossils) said concerning transitional fossils .

"I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossils or living, I certainly would have included it.… I will lay it on the line. There is not one such fossil for which one might make a watertight argument.'"

Literature is filled with statements from evolutionists who know the fossil record lacks truly transitional forms and I can quote many. But you are an amateur and these kind of back and forth don't excite me about evolution anymore because I know what true evolution is.

Btw this what Dr. Colin said to refute his critics when he got the heat from his colleagues for that statement
"We have access to the tips of the tree; the tree itself is theory, and people who pretend to know about the tree and to describe what went on it—how the branches came off and the twigs came off—are, I think, telling stories."

nyameke: hahaha see foolishness and ignorance.. so those are your transitional evidence that proves evolution.. Are you sure you understand evolution? Look you are an amateur and I don't have your time..

I never took you serious when I came across your reasons for being an atheist and I'm not about to do now..

Btw what did you expected me to do with those journal websites you presented? Did you expected me to get your points through those numerous journals lol. Is that how you present your proves and your arguments? This guy self

I repeat there are no intermediate states of life forms. I don't think you really understand evolution because if you did you would know what a " transitional fossil" really is and not what you have been fed.. I will leave you with this though:


When asked about why he didn't put one single picture of intermediate fossils in his book about evolution;
This is what one of your own, Dr. Colin Patterson a respected well known evolutionist, Director of the British Museum of Natural History,( where there are about 7 million fossils) said concerning transitional fossils .

"I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossils or living, I certainly would have included it.… I will lay it on the line. There is not one such fossil for which one might make a watertight argument.'"

Literature is filled with statements from evolutionists who know the fossil record lacks truly transitional forms and I can quote many. But you are an amateur and these kind of back and forth don't excite me about evolution anymore because I know what true evolution is.

Btw this what Dr. Colin said to refute his critics when he got the heat from his colleagues for that statement
"We have access to the tips of the tree; the tree itself is theory, and people who pretend to know about the tree and to describe what went on it—how the branches came off and the twigs came off—are, I think, telling stories."

You have been mislead by your fellow creationists. This simply shows the sort of dishonest quote-mining that they do.
You're welcome to read this short article which clarifies the entire issue. You need to learn not to swallow whatever you come across from those creationists.