Adoption can be a tricky issue. There are many issues to consider in adoption although I understand the rules may differ from country to country.

A few years ago I heard a story about a woman who was denied adoption over a particular child raised in an Islamic society as she was a non-Muslim.
But I believe there is no such thing as a Muslim child, a Christian child or a Hindu child etc...
However there are children born into either a religious household or a religious society and such impacts on the cultural experience of the child.

Many adoption agencies seek potential parents who may still be able to cater to the cultural experience of the child.

Could parents of a different religious or even irreligious background provide an adequate cultural experience for such child?

Should they even have to?

Should potential parents be discriminated against based on religion?

Or do they have a duty to inform and educate their adopted child of their religious background at minimum?

Seriously, One has to ask..does it matter? Of course it does not..Why does religion stop a child's integration by parent's who have the child's interest at heart? Similar cultural patterns may be wanted for the child but are they always available? I think the children won't mind a change at such young age provided it comes at good pace so the bias definitely lies with social prejudice from the orphanage born out of intolerance for others.

You sure have a liberal view to religion. That does nt work outside Christianity.
However, the bible says 'train up a child in a way he should go, and after he grows he'll not depart from it' prov. 22:6
For other religions u're as gud as a member mostly be birth.
Bt yeah! There communities to the rules no mata oooo

depends on the religion. i wouldnt want a sango worshipper adopting my kid

Should religion be a factor in adoption. I don't think so. When a child is to be adopted, what matters more is providing the child with a conducive and safe environment for it to grow.
When religion should really matter is in the case of a parent giving up his/her child for adoption. At this point, they are entitled to choose what faith is right for their child to grow up in.

Mr_Anony: Should religion be a factor in adoption. I don't think so. When a child is to be adopted, what matters more is providing the child with a conducive and safe environment for it to grow.

Finally we agree on something

ajufinz: You sure have a liberal view to religion. That does nt work outside Christianity.
However, the bible says 'train up a child in a way he should go, and after he grows he'll not depart from it' prov. 22:6
For other religions u're as gud as a member mostly be birth.
Bt yeah! There communities to the rules no mata oooo

Mr_Anony: When religion should really matter is in the case of a parent giving up his/her child for adoption. At this point, they are entitled to choose what faith is right for their child to grow up in.

I believe the welfare of the child should be the priority although having knowledge of one’s own background is not such a bad thing but is it not questionable to select potential parents based on religion?

Furthermore isn’t that indirectly dictating the religion of the child? Faith is personal so should be personal not entrenched...

buzugee: depends on the religion. i wouldnt want a sango worshipper adopting my kid

Lol

emöfine2:

Finally we agree on something

I believe the welfare of the child should be the priority although having knowledge of one’s own background is not such a bad thing but is it not questionable to select potential parents based on religion?

Furthermore isn’t that indirectly dictating the religion of the child? Faith is personal so should be personal not entrenched...

Lol, finally we agreed on one thing. (good feeling)

...Now moving on to things we disagree about (which is more fun by the way)

I believe every parent has the right to train up his/her child in the faith he/she believes in. When the child comes of age, he/she may decide to tow another line.
For instance if a pregnant mother wants to give her child up for adoption because she can't take care of it, she has every right to choose the parents based on any criteria she deems fit including religion.
When choosing adopting parents, ideally what the mother is looking for is foster parents who will raise her kid in the same way she would have raised it if she had the means and this includes the religion she holds dear.

Now as for faith is personal and not entrenched, this doesn't apply to kids. Simply because they haven't reached an age to make such decisions for themselves. It is not indirectly dictating the religion of the child in any way.
It is almost like saying teaching a kid a particular language/culture is questionable and is dictating the culture of the child and entrenching in it in the child against his personal choice.

I think it depends on haw old d child is,...

For a 6 month old, it doesnt matter. The child is nöt yet exposed to the religion

for a 6 year old, yes...it matters

The agency should not determine at all, the decision should be that of the child and parent

YES. Religion plays a pivotal role when it comes to adoption,some of us here might be beating around the bush just to be liberal and avoid unnecessary fights here but the truth is clear. No christian will adopt a muslim unless the ward is willing to be converted and vice versa. I cannot imagine myself adopting a child in my house,while I go to church on a sunday he/she goes to mosque on a friday,its not possible and same thing applies to any other religion except christianity. Period

tobechi74: I think it depends on haw old d child is,...

For a 6 month old, it doesnt matter. The child is nöt yet exposed to the religion

for a 6 year old, yes...it matters

The agency should not determine at all, the decision should be that of the child and parent

"That of the child?" U're very comical ooo...What reasonable decision cn a 6 year old boy or girl make abt his or her future?

for this question to make global-sense, why not put....'in Nigeria'... at the end of the question? because this is the only federalized nation where religious bigotry irrupts randomly. otherwise, child adoption should be a state's affair and has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Oh yes it is a factor....make person no go adopt BokoHaram or a prospective Jihad Warrior

Maybe taking religion into consideration might not be such a bad idea. Imagine a couple adopting a child, and then send the child on a suicide bombing mission to kill "infidels" because the parents truly believe such killing of "infidels" is doing the will of their God and a passage to Paradise.

Background check of the propective parents' religious ideas might just be in the best interest of that child.

buzugee: depends on the religion. i wouldnt want a sango worshipper adopting my kid

What's wrong with a Sango worshipper, prick?

I see how you interpret the Bible everyday, you freaking backward black Israelite prick..

Give up on that black Israelite crap before you end up like those black supremacists in Harlem.

Mr_Anony:
...Now moving on to things we disagree about (which is more fun by the way)

I believe every parent has the right to train up his/her child in the faith he/she believes in. When the child comes of age, he/she may decide to tow another line.
For instance if a pregnant mother wants to give her child up for adoption because she can't take care of it, she has every right to choose the parents based on any criteria she deems fit including religion.
When choosing adopting parents, ideally what the mother is looking for is foster parents who will raise her kid in the same way she would have raised it if she had the means and this includes the religion she holds dear.

Okay I understand but I was specifically talking about adoption agencies but I still see your point.

...."when the child comes of age"....exactly the coming of age....and so they should not be coerced into such a life-altering decision; it is an individual responsibility. However I understand that parents/guardians feel obliged to share their beliefs and values with their child(ren) and that is fine as long as there’s no imposition.
But at such an early age children (despite their religious background) at best can be presented with the various school of thoughts instead of being indoctrinated at such a tender age because what we find is that really it was not their “divine” choice rendering some of them complacent.

Now as for faith is personal and not entrenched, this doesn't apply to kids. Simply because they haven't reached an age to make such decisions for themselves. It is not indirectly dictating the religion of the child in any way.
It is almost like saying teaching a kid a particular language/culture is questionable and is dictating the culture of the child and entrenching in it in the child against his personal choice.

Religion can be replaced...language and culture can be supplemented.

Shymmex don come here again with he westernised mentality wanna be

Mtcheeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww

ifihearam: Shymmex don come here again with he westernised mentality wanna be

Mtcheeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww

Oi, stop following me around.

Buzugee or whatever that prick is called is a lunatic.

He needs to be locked up in a mental home with a daily ritalin dosage.

I'm just calling out the fool and his black Hebrew Israelite crap.

Buzugee and his cronies




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emöfine2:

Okay I understand but I was specifically talking about adoption agencies but I still see your point.

...."when the child comes of age"....exactly the coming of age....and so they should not be coerced into such a life-altering decision; it is an individual responsibility. However I understand that parents/guardians feel obliged to share their beliefs and values with their child(ren) and that is fine as long as there’s no imposition.
But at such an early age children (despite their religious background) at best can be presented with the various school of thoughts instead of being indoctrinated at such a tender age because what we find is that really it was not their “divine” choice rendering some of them complacent.



Religion can be replaced...language and culture can be supplemented.

I am glad you get where I am coming from however, what you are proposing in the bolded part is simply unreasonable and impractical.

There is no way a parent - who believes beyond any doubt that something is true - will teach his/her kid that that there are various schools of thought to choose from. It just has to be imposed. You may call it indoctrination but I call it part of the child's education.

For instance, certain Nigerian cultural norms have been imbibed into us from a tender age. It is impractical for a parent to present other cultures during the child's upbringing as equally viable choices especially when the parent disagrees with the practices of other such cultures.

Is this thread aimed @ getting the real fact or the OP just wants to sample nlders opinion on the subject
In Nigeria and during a legal adoption process, religious beliefs or lack of thereof, does not stop Or facilitate the process. However,during routine background checks, they might casually want to know about your religious affiliation sha.
Religion only matters when one is engaging in illegal adoption ie mushroom. Orphanage home, miracle baby churches etc.

Mr Anony, do you believe religion is hereditary?

emöfine2: Mr Anony, do you believe religion is hereditary?

No religion is not hereditary, it is a choice. Why?

Mr_Anony:
No religion is not hereditary, it is a choice. Why?

Well I hope so...I really hope it is a choice...
But what “choice” is there if a child awaiting adoption that so happened to be born by chance into either a particular religious household/society are denied a potential home/parents because their religious background doesn't match (see my anecdote in my OP)?
Does a child awaiting adoption that was born into an Islamic society necessarily require parents of a matching faith for them to be provided with the best experience? Does the child even require such specific religious parents/guardians given their circumstance?
So this choice is essentially influenced by chances one cannot control such as background/nationality?....

ifyalways: Is this thread aimed @ getting the real fact or the OP just wants to sample nlders opinion on the subject

Truthfully in the beginning I was initially after opinions regarding the anecdote in the OP but given that majority of audiences are Nigerians...facts based on the reality in Nigeria is also appreciated...or countries where such strict rules exists.

emöfine2:

Well I hope so...I really hope it is a choice...
But what “choice” is there if a child awaiting adoption that so happened to be born by chance into either a particular religious household/society are denied a potential home/parents because their religious background doesn't match (see my anecdote in my OP)?
Does a child awaiting adoption that was born into an Islamic society necessarily require parents of a matching faith for them to be provided with the best experience? Does the child even require such specific religious parents/guardians given their circumstance?
So this choice is essentially influenced by chances one cannot control such as background/nationality?....

Well, each society has what they consider as "best experience" for the child. In regards to the story in your OP, I have also heard of a couple who were denied adoption rights in USA because they were christians and they would teach the child that homosexuality isn't acceptable behavior.

As a kid, almost everything you learn is by "indoctrination" as you don't know enough to make choices. There is no choice totally independent of background. Also, there are choices one has to have a certain level of maturity to make.

For me, religion shouldn't really factor in adoption but if it does, I won't really have that much of a problem with it as such. If the authorities decide that they do not want a particular religion raising their kids, then they are persecuting that religion. It is the fact that the government/adoption agency is discriminating that should be questioned and not necessarily the family the kid is growing up in.

emöfine2:
...."when the child comes of age"....exactly the coming of age....and so they should not be coerced into such a life-altering decision; it is an individual responsibility. However I understand that parents/guardians feel obliged to share their beliefs and values with their child(ren) and that is fine as long as there’s no imposition.
But at such an early age children (despite their religious background) at best can be presented with the various school of thoughts instead of being indoctrinated at such a tender age because what we find is that really it was not their “divine” choice rendering some of them complacent.

emofine2: Religion can be replaced...language and culture can be supplemented.

You seem to have a deliberate bias against religion or god, I'd probably understand that: given how a lot of "activist" religious people behave. Personally, I have no problems with anyone being atheist or without religion or whatever you call it, but i would ask that you present your arguments in a fair & logically consistent manner. your words above stress that children should not be "coerced" into such a life-altering decision, that it's an "individual thing", You also go on to conclude that religion can be "replaced", if so, then it's really not life-changing then, don't you think? what are you scared of religion when you know fully well that it's a personal choice, religion is not some disease or addiction that takes over somebody's life and renders them useless, it's a matter of logic, such an individual sees sense in the logic of a religion and therefore subjects himself to it's doctrines, it's as simple as that. You do not approve that religious parents teach their children religion, but i'm pretty sure that you'd approve of atheist parents teach their children atheism, right? your arguments are just not fair. You cannot single out religion to give it some "bad" attributes, but somehow fail to mention that infact every discipline has these same attributes. if religion is intolerant of atheist views, atheism is also intolerenat of religious views, non is holier than the other.

okay, you say that we shouldn't "coerce" children into religion, but how about school & learning, should we not let them make that choice too? whether they want to be educated or not? education is a life-altering discipline, it is also an "individual thing" yet we force our children to school. It seems cool to be liberal, but one should be cautious not to malpractice liberalism. there is a reason they are children and that is because they are not in any position to make any important decisions for themselves and it is the responsibility of any parent to raise his/her kid according to the values he considers important. Now when such kid come of age, then by all means, they have an independent mind, they have infinite right of will to go as they please. you forget(or choose to ignore) that there are millions of non-religious or atheist people who were raised in religious homes, it has not stopped them from exercising free will as adults to determine their own values. why this phobia of religion

The fact is every society defines it's values and makes effort to raise it's kid according to such values, like patriotism, monogamy, democracy, etc. if religion is one of these values, then what's wrong with adoption decisions using such criteria? it wouldn't hurt anybody.

Buzugee

Don't derail the other thread, let me smash your face in on this thread.

Next time keep your Black Hebrew thrash off my culture, plonker.

Buzugee again preaching in Manhattan lol... This guy is crazy, yo...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF8EC9CpHWQ

okeyxyz: but i would ask that you present your arguments in a fair & logically consistent manner

As opposed to your “fair and logically consistent manner”...?
Hmm so not adhering to religion automatically means one is either an atheist or super liberal?
Or is it because I’m asking questions you assume that I have a malicious intent?

First of all you do not know me so don’t bother trying to second guess me.
And as for my so called unfair stance to religion...you clearly missed the goal there. I’m lenient, curious but cautious of the various faiths.
In future do ask instead of assuming, ok and most of your flawed character dissection has only served to mar your argument because I’m now having to decipher between the parts that possibly correlate to the topic and your st[i]u[/i]p[i]i[/i]d assumptions about my being.

You also go on to conclude that religion can be "replaced", if so, then it's really not life-changing then, don't you think?

Did you even read what proceeded that reply?...The comparison between culture/language and religion. Religion isn’t necessarily fixed neither is it hereditary so please do read in context in future.
And yes religion is a life-changing decision it doesn’t take away from that fact even if a person’s discards their former religion or adopts another. Even being an atheist is a life altering decision. Smh

what are you scared of religion

Please do yourself a favour and never again second guess me in future.

You do not approve that religious parents teach their children religion, but i'm pretty sure that you'd approve of atheist parents teach their children atheism, right? your arguments are just not fair. You cannot single out religion to give it some "bad" attributes, but somehow fail to mention that infact every discipline has these same attributes. if religion is intolerant of atheist views, atheism is also intolerenat of religious views, non is holier than the other.

Did you conveniently miss my response to Mr Anony where I wrote that it is understandable that parents will feel obligated to share their beliefs with their child although I specifically said I do not support imposition? Do you understand what the difference actually is?...to be taught or informed is different from being compelled. And since you failed to make the first correlation I have to stress that clearly goes for atheism as well!

I wasn’t singling out religion I was discussing religion in relation to adoption as regards to a particular anecdote so it being the theme of topic it’s therefore obviously going to be a highlighted subject...not to bash but to discuss.

okeyxyz: okay, you say that we shouldn't "coerce" children into religion, but how about school & learning, should we not let them make that choice too? whether they want to be educated or not? education is a life-altering discipline, it is also an "individual thing" yet we force our children to school. It seems cool to be liberal, but one should be cautious not to malpractice liberalism. there is a reason they are children and that is because they are not in any position to make any important decisions for themselves and it is the responsibility of any parent to raise his/her kid according to the values he considers important. Now when such kid come of age, then by all means, they have an independent mind, they have infinite right of will to go as they please. you forget(or choose to ignore) that there are millions of non-religious or atheist people who were raised in religious homes, it has not stopped them from exercising free will as adults to determine their own values. why this phobia of religion

Would you stop acting deliberately obtuse! Do you even comprehend the topic? Everything I said here was in relation to a particular anecdote...if a child being denied a home based on (ir)religious affiliations of potential parents doesn’t grab your attention but fleeting remarks that were written in a particular context then excuse me if I care less about continuing to respond to your misguided posts.
When you stop playing a martyr you might actually just understand what the topic was hoping to address...

Mr_Anony:
Well, each society has what they consider as "best experience" for the child. In regards to the story in your OP, I have also heard of a couple who were denied adoption rights in USA because they were christians and they would teach the child that homosexuality isn't acceptable behavior.

As a kid, almost everything you learn is by "indoctrination" as you don't know enough to make choices. There is no choice totally independent of background. Also, there are choices one has to have a certain level of maturity to make.

For me, religion shouldn't really factor in adoption but if it does, I won't really have that much of a problem with it as such. If the authorities decide that they do not want a particular religion raising their kids, then they are persecuting that religion. It is the fact that the government/adoption agency is discriminating that should be questioned and not necessarily the family the kid is growing up in.

Agreed.

emöfine2:

Agreed.

Wow we are agreeing! I can't believe this! Today must be a good day!

Mr_Anony:
Wow we are agreeing! I can't believe this! Today must be a good day!

shymmex:

Oi, stop following me around.

Buzugee or whatever that prick is called is a lunatic.

He needs to be locked up in a mental home with a daily ritalin dosage.

I'm just calling out the fool and his black Hebrew Israelite crap.

Buzugee and his cronies




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncITvsYR6sA

whats your beef ? stroganoff ?