kiu_usm:

I thought you’re a rational human being regrettably you’re not. We are not here to insult any personality or religion but to understand ourselves and reasons together like human being .
Pls read the Bible, Mathew 5:19-20 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]
The above verse clearly stated that if you break one commandment including the Old Testament u’re not going to enter heaven therefore u have to believe everything in the bible if u’re a true Christian
Now let pint out some contradiction in the New Testament. Read: the following and compare it yourself

John 5:37
ye have never heard his (God’s) voice at any time, nor seen his shape
or
John 14:9
…he that hath seen me hath seen the father.

John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true
or
John 8:14
Jesus answered and said unto them though I bear record of myself yet my record is true

I can give you more on your request.

Coming back to Holy Qur’an just as you said “.he usually dictated his revelation to his companions who wrote it then read it back to him to ensure there were no mistakes” Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) received revelation from Angel Gabriel at that time they memorize, write it on stone, leaves, etc as of that time that’s what they had. It it’s the same text that we are still using unchanged and will never be anywhere you go in this world is the same Qur’an 114 surah (chapters and verses) and Its; Allah (GOD) that is protecting it from changes not like the bible where you have the Protestant Bible i.e. the King James Version, contains only 66 books as they consider 7 books of the Old Testament to be apocrypha, i.e. of doubtful authority. Some verses are deleted some are added (need example just ask)
The Holy Qur’an stated in cha 29:46 that:
And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam).
I’m not going to insult anybody simple because he is Christian but to pray to God to guid him/her to the straight path which is total submission of your will to God just as Jesus (pbuh) Did and said in John 5:30 “ I can of my own self do nothing as I hear I judge and my judgment is righteous for I seek not my will but the will of my father (my God) who sent me.
I hope you will read with an open mind.
If you have any question don’t hesitate pls.

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what u just said can only stand in the bible if u use trinity as ur bases.

But as it is, trinity is not base on the bible since Jesus clearly said that he is a diff person from his father.
Peace

Delafruita:
i just read your posts on the other thread.you put up some nice points but one thing you goofed on is the fact that i never quoted josephus flavius.my only reference to him was that he was the first historian to mention jesus.every chronology i stated have been universally confirmed to be accurate by historians.
i have stated a few times on this forum that there were errors in josephus account and even "mr josephus" aka buzugee can attest to that.
however if i decide to go with your analogy that herod died in 1BC,then there's still a problem because quirinius became governor after archelaus was deposed.history records that archelaus reigned for 10 years.going by your analogy,that will mean herod died in 1BC,archelaus is deposed in 10AD and quirinius becomes governor.based on this,matthew will be saying jesus was born in 3BC and luke will be saying he was born in 10AD.thats a while 12 years in between.it is believed that jesus was crucified between 30-33AD(if at all).all the dates just dont add up.there's no explanation that can take away this clear contradiction.one of the accounts is definitely wrong

Guy,
with so many people past and present turning out to be enemy of Jesus christ one realy need to trade cautiously else u start a case on wrong foundation due to distorted info.

U will agree with me that even u while attempting to refute my post deliberately or by omition imputed to me that i said that Jesus disciples were martyrs and as such will not be around to write the bible.
This, i never said.

Now, can u see how easy it can be for the facts to be distorted, expercially when it has to do with a "Jewish messiah" that even the Jews rejected.

Then one wanders who will protect this informations?

Definitely not historians that u dont know there bias.

Beside this issues that is dragging us outside, i think u and me agree on lots of other things, like things taking place on the name of God that are just too bad,
deceit, exploitation, wars and lots of other wrong things.

It is advisable for one to learn to be sceptical when one reads info from the net cus u never know the driving force behind the persons intention.

Even those that should have protected the bible took liberty at it making additions.

Most nation hate to imagine the Jews as being a spercial people (eg the German =hitler).

To me it is a miracle that the bible survive thus far
considering the onslaught that has gone against it.

However, making reseach is never a bad thing, cus even Jesus himself said one should keep asking.
Peace

truthislight:

Guy,
with so many people past and present turning out to be enemy of Jesus christ one realy need to trade cautiously else u start a case on wrong foundation due to distorted info.

U will agree with me that even u while attempting to refute my post deliberately or by omition imputed to me that i said that Jesus disciples were martyrs and as such will not be around to write the bible.
This, i never said.

Now, can u see how easy it can be for the facts to be distorted, expercially when it has to do with a "Jewish messiah" that even the Jews rejected.

Then one wanders who will protect this informations?

Definitely not historians that u dont know there bias.

Beside this issues that is dragging us outside, i think u and me agree on lots of other things, like things taking place on the name of God that are just too bad,
deceit, exploitation, wars and lots of other wrong things.

It is advisable for one to learn to be sceptical when one reads info from the net cus u never know the driving force behind the persons intention.

Even those that should have protected the bible took liberty at it making additions.

Most nation hate to imagine the Jews as being a spercial people (eg the German =hitler).

However, making reseach is never a bad thing, cus even Jesus himself said one should keep asking.
Peace

its funny that you avvoided responding to the main issue in the post which was in tbe contradiction of luke and mathew

mazaje:

Nope, not one surviving, because there are many other documents from that time that survived and recorded all the major events that happened, most of what we know about First century Palestine we know from Josephus and other historians that lived at that time who wrote detailed events of what happened. . .Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence, you can make extra ordinary claims that happened in history and provide religious document that disagree with some historical events as their evidence. . .

I have more books in my library today than there probably were in that era, 2000 years from now it's likely that all the books in my library would have been lost. So how come it is not possible that only one document relating an event managed survive? arguing from silence is unhelpful.

No clear cut Miracle has EVER been shown to happen, if the bible is true then you should be able to perform clear cut miracles yourself after all Jesus PROMISED those of you that believe in him to have the ability to do GREATER things than he did if ONLY you believe, if you believe in Jesus and his PROMISE then you should be able to perform clear cut miracles like healing amputees and restoring their amputated limbs back or raising people that have already been buried from the dead, Jesus we are told in the story book did them and PROMISED his followers and all those that believed in his the ability to go GREATER things, the fact that no one can do clear cut miracles in his name says miracles are nothing buy lies. . NO clear cut miracle has ever been demonstrated any where, if you believe in Jesus then you should be able to do those things yopur self as he PROMISED. . .

Well, my mother has been healed of breast cancer a few years ago. That's a miracle there for you. it's just too bad you refuse to believe it possible.

You don't want to delve into genealogy because you know you have NO feet to stand on there. . .Both were reporting their made up tales with different account and genealogies, you attempted the one was his father and the other was his mother nonsenses when you saw that it didnt fly the new explanation is "it can be loosely translated". . .I just dislike dishonesty and that is what christian apologist fo all the time, it can be loosely translated to mean ancestor and not father, in the context it means father and as such some bible translations used the word father, unless if you are trying to lie to me that you know greek and how it should be applied more than those that translated the bible into english because father is what the wrote not your loosely translated ancestor nonsense and fraudulent attempt to explain away the obvious contradiction. . . Where you the one that wrote the book of Luke? why should any body pay attention to your dubious loose translation of the word, if we are to go by your nonsense attempt we can also say born of an ancestors as well, any body can play this nonsense games. . .The bible is clear, and as long as the bible is concerned their genealogies are different. . .I go with what is written in the bible not your nonsense apologetics that is neither here nor there. .

All I have done is to show you the possible errors that can occur in translation that you choose to reject it as a possibility is not my problem.

Now you are here with your speculations again. . .The gospels we have with us were NOT written by people who knew Jesus or had ever meet him, they were written long after Jesus died, in a language neither he nor his disciples spoke . . .The unknown authors never said they ever witnessed any of the events the wrote about. They just wrote their stories. . .

Actually you don't know what you're claiming for sure. You are arguing from silence, you have no way of knowing if the documents available to us are original or copies. In fact, the more I read the gospels, the more it appears to me the these were different writers narrating the same story from different vantage points.
If this was a composed religious document as you seem to be trying to claim, then we would have noticed a conscious effort to synchronise the stories. Besides the gospel of John is written in such a way that suggests that he was an eyewitness to the events recorded.

Mr_Anony:

I have more books in my library today than there probably were in that era, 2000 years from now it's likely that all the books in my library would have been lost. So how come it is not possible that only one document relating an event managed survive? arguing from silence is unhelpful.

I have stated my point, you call it argument from silince. . OK. . No wahala. . .Let's agree to disagree. . .

Well, my mother has been healed of breast cancer a few years ago. That's a miracle there for you. it's just too bad you refuse to believe it possible.

People get healed of bre[i]a[/i]st cancer all the time, so not a miracle. . .

All I have done is to show you the possible errors that can occur in translation that you choose to reject it as a possibility is not my problem.

When it comes to translation the best possible words that carry the best meaning to the word that is to be translated and the context in which it is used is the criteria that is used. . .The word that carries the best meaning in the context father and as such father is what is used. . .Ancestor is another meaning of the word as you said but its application makes it far fetched and does not carry the best meaning, if it did it would have been used. . .You are just throwing things up the wall to find what ever it is that will stick. . .The bible translators truly know the best word and they chose it. . .You are the one that is going off borad looking for far fetched explanations and possibilities. . .

Actually you don't know what you're claiming for sure. You are arguing from silence, you have no way of knowing if the documents available to us are original or copies. In fact, the more I read the gospels, the more it appears to me the these were different writers narrating the same story from different vantage points.
If this was a composed religious document as you seem to be trying to claim, then we would have noticed a conscious effort to synchronise the stories. Besides the gospel of John is written in such a way that suggests that he was an eyewitness to the events recorded.

I don't see it that way. . .Gospel of John written as an eye witness account?. . .Can you show how?. . .

Mr_Anony:

@Mazaje, I will give you a reply albeit a long one.
But just so you know ahead of time, your post is ridden with a few fallacies, some errors and assumptions and you even contradict yourself somewhere along the line. I had to read your post carefully to spot some things especially the parts you didn't put in bold. I'll explain later, I don't have the energy for a long post right now.

In fulfilment of my promise, here goes:

mazaje:
Here are the two very contradictory accounts, one says he appeared to his disciples first in Jerusalem and the other in another different city very far away over 150miles in Galilee. . .


Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Mat 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
Mat 28:8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
Mat 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Mat 28:10[b] Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me[/b].
Mat 28:11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.
Mat 28:12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
Mat 28:13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him [away] while we slept.
Mat 28:14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
Mat 28:15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Here is Luke's version. . .

Luk 24 : 9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others.
Luk 24:10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles.
Luk 24:11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense.
Luk 24:12 Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.
Luk 24:13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles [fn] from Jerusalem.
Luk 24:14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened.
Luk 24:15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them;
Luk 24:16 but they were kept from recognizing him.
Luk 24:17 He asked them, "What are you discussing together as you walk along?" They stood still, their faces downcast.
Luk 24:18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, "Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that have happened there in these days?"
Luk 24:19 "What things?" he asked. "About Jesus of Nazareth," they replied. "He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people.
Luk 24:20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him;
Luk 24:21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.
Luk 24:22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning
Luk 24:23 but didn't find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive.
Luk 24:24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see."
Luk 24:25 He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Luk 24:26 Did not the Christ [fn] have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?"
Luk 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
Luk 24:28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus acted as if he were going farther.
Luk 24:29[b] But they urged him strongly, "Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over." So he went in to stay with them[/b].
Luk 24:30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them.
Luk 24:31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight.
Luk 24:32 They asked each other, "Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?"
Luk 24:33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together
Luk 24:34 and saying, "It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon."
Luk 24:35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
Luk 24:36 While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you."
Luk 24:37 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost.
Luk 24:38 He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds?
Luk 24:39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."
Luk 24:40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?"
Luk 24:42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish,
Luk 24:43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

The two very different accounts are very clear and they both happened the same day Jesus was written to have resurrected from the dead. . .

Okay Mazaje, to truly understand the events following Christ resurrection we have to read all accounts of the four Gospels and the book of acts and second Corinthians then we can pick up clues and piece them together.
Another thing would like you to note it's that those who recorded Scripture did not necessarily record Scripture sequentially, also the original manuscripts were not broken into chapters and verses as we have them today in the Bible.it was one long document.
That said, let us peace the story together. What was the sequence of Jesus appearances?

Acts 1:3 tells us that Jesus spent 40 days between his resurrection and his ascension. Let us now draw a timeline.

Day 1.
Jesus appears to Mary and tells her to tell the disciples to meet him at Galilee Matt 28:10 (note Jesus does not say exactly when he will need them at Galilee all he says is "go to Galilee and I will appear there" )
now Jerusalem to Galilee is quite a distance my approximation is that it will take several days probably a week to get there with the kind of transport system they had at the time so it is not possible for Matthew 28:16 to have happened on the same day.

Later that same day Jesus appears to 2 disciples on the way to Emmaus which is quite close to Jerusalem. Luke 24:13.
After Christ appeared to them, they rose up and immediately went back to Jerusalem and what they told the disciples is very profoundthat not only had Christ risen but also that he had appeared to Peter. While they were yet speaking Christ appeared amongst them ( this story tallies with Paul's account in 1Corinthians 15:6)

Eight days later the disciples were in a room together this time Thomas was with them John John 20:26(note the Bible doesn't say which city they where settled in, may guess is probably they were now in Galilee by this time)
this is the second time Christ appears to his disciples

Some days pass, Peter decides to go fishing and the Bible says he goes fishing in the sea of Tiberias. John21:1(now Tiberias is a small town on the shore of the sea of Galilee. this time we're quite sure that the disciples are in Galilee)this is where Jesus asks Peter the famous "do you love me? feed my sheep" three times.
John records that this is the third time that Jesus appears to them. John 21:14

I believe Matthew 28:16 happened after this time most likely at about the time of the Ascension. And it's possible it was 500 people that witnessed it as Paul said.

That's the story of Christ. I think you should read it as an account from five different narrators and not as two independent storytellers. the is no contradiction in the story of Christ's resurrection.

Mr_Anony:
In fulfilment of my promise, here goes:



Okay Mazaje, to truly understand the events following Christ resurrection we have to read all accounts of the four Gospels and the book of acts and second Corinthians then we can pick up clues and piece them together.
Another thing would like you to note it's that those who recorded Scripture did not necessarily record Scripture sequentially, also the original manuscripts were not broken into chapters and verses as we have them today in the Bible.it was one long document.
That said, let us peace the story together. What was the sequence of Jesus appearances?

Acts 1:3 tells us that Jesus spent 40 days between his resurrection and his ascension. Let us now draw a timeline.

Day 1.
Jesus appears to Mary and tells her to tell the disciples to meet him at Galilee Matt 28:10 (note Jesus does not say exactly when he will need them at Galilee all he says is "go to Galilee and I will appear there"
now Jerusalem to Galilee is quite a distance my approximation is that it will take several days probably a week to get there with the kind of transport system they had at the time so it is not possible for Matthew 28:16 to have happened on the same day.

Later that same day Jesus appears to 2 disciples on the way to Emmaus which is quite close to Jerusalem. Luke 24:13.
After Christ appeared to them, they rose up and immediately went back to Jerusalem and what they told the disciples is very profoundthat not only had Christ risen but also that he had appeared to Peter. While they were yet speaking Christ appeared amongst them ( this story tallies with Paul's account in 1Corinthians 15:6)

Eight days later the disciples were in a room together this time Thomas was with them John John 20:26(note the Bible doesn't say which city they where settled in, may guess is probably they were now in Galilee by this time)
this is the second time Christ appears to his disciples

Some days pass, Peter decides to go fishing and the Bible says he goes fishing in the sea of Tiberias. John21:1(now Tiberias is a small town on the shore of the sea of Galilee. this time we're quite sure that the disciples are in Galilee)this is where Jesus asks Peter the famous "do you love me? feed my sheep" three times.
John records that this is the third time that Jesus appears to them. John 21:14

I believe Matthew 28:16 happened after this time most likely at about the time of the Ascension. And it's possible it was 500 people that witnessed it as Paul said.

That's the story of Christ. I think you should read it as an account from five different narrators and not as two independent storytellers. the is no contradiction in the story of Christ's resurrection.

this one na serious tales by moonlight.since you've dismissed my suggestion of starting a ministry,probably you should make a career in nollywood.you be correct storyteller

Delafruita:
this one na serious tales by moonlight.since you've dismissed my suggestion of starting a ministry,probably you should make a career in nollywood.you be correct storyteller

Perhaps you should start a career as a professional critic and faultfinder. I would suggest to you that you read the gospels and allow the truth of the story to sink in. My favourite is actually the gospel according to John.

We are like two people who see a movie. While I sit back and enjoy the movie, you keep pausing it at every frame hoping to see a the camera man's shadow. you miss the whole point of the movie.

Mr_Anony:

Perhaps you should start a career as a professional critic and faultfinder. I would suggest to you that you read the gospels and allow the truth of the story to sink in. My favourite is actually the gospel according to John.

We are like two people who see a movie. While I sit back and enjoy the movie, you keep pausing it at every frame hoping to see a the camera man's shadow. you miss the whole point of the movie.

thats the problem,which john?there's the book of john,the epistles of john and the revelation apparently written by john.suprisingly,all three books have totally different writing patterns that you're inclined to perceive that different people wrote them(a point that is accepted by a wide range of historians and theologians).
who wrote the book of james?there are so many james mentioned in the bible you dont even know which one.to make matters worse,james quote from the book of enoch which is in the apocrypha and isnt regarded as gospel.
this bible sef

The synopic gospel as always bn a problem,scholars av always propounded solutions but non as seems defeat logical terms ....still lingers as a major issue in theology

Mr_Anony:
In fulfilment of my promise, here goes:



Okay Mazaje, to truly understand the events following Christ resurrection we have to read all accounts of the four Gospels and the book of acts and second Corinthians then we can pick up clues and piece them together.
Another thing would like you to note it's that those who recorded Scripture did not necessarily record Scripture sequentially, also the original manuscripts were not broken into chapters and verses as we have them today in the Bible.it was one long document.
That said, let us peace the story together. What was the sequence of Jesus appearances?

It doesn't really matter. . . .

Acts 1:3 tells us that Jesus spent 40 days between his resurrection and his ascension. Let us now draw a timeline.

Day 1.
Jesus appears to Mary and tells her to tell the disciples to meet him at Galilee Matt 28:10 (note Jesus does not say exactly when he will need them at Galilee all he says is "go to Galilee and I will appear there" )
now Jerusalem to Galilee is quite a distance my approximation is that it will take several days probably a week to get there with the kind of transport system they had at the time so it is not possible for Matthew 28:16 to have happened on the same day.

Firstly, the gospel does not state the location of the disciples. Secondly, Jesus told the lady to tell the 11 of his disciples after he resurrected according to Matthew to go to Galilee and meet him at a meeting point and he will appear to them. .Luke says he appeared to them in Jerusalem. . .Remember after resurrecting from the dead the first thing he told the lady according to Matthew was to hurry and tell his disciples to head to Galilee. . .But Luke says he appeared to them in Jerusalem. . .It doesn't even mention Jesus telling them to go to Galilee. . .Matthew says he told them to go to Galiee so that he will appear to them there, Luke says he appeared to them in a room in Jerusalem, why will he tell them to go to Galilee so that he will apper to them there then go and appear to them in Jerusalem. . .If you read both accounts you will see that it was his first time of apearing to them because while some of them were estatic and happy others were doubtful and did not believe. . .If he has appeared to them different times as you are trying to have us believe, they will not be doubtful since they had already seen him before. . .No matter how you look at it , it just doesnt add up. . .

Later that same day Jesus appears to 2 disciples on the way to Emmaus which is quite close to Jerusalem. Luke 24:13.
After Christ appeared to them, they rose up and immediately went back to Jerusalem and what they told the disciples is very profoundthat not only had Christ risen but also that he had appeared to Peter. While they were yet speaking Christ appeared amongst them ( this story tallies with Paul's account in 1Corinthians 15:6)

So what has Luke's different account go to do with Matthew?. . . .

Eight days later the disciples were in a room together this time Thomas was with them John John 20:26(note the Bible doesn't say which city they where settled in, may guess is probably they were now in Galilee by this time)
this is the second time Christ appears to his disciples

This is your own gospel. . .It is your own making. .

Some days pass, Peter decides to go fishing and the Bible says he goes fishing in the sea of Tiberias. John21:1(now Tiberias is a small town on the shore of the sea of Galilee. this time we're quite sure that the disciples are in Galilee)this is where Jesus asks Peter the famous "do you love me? feed my sheep" three times.
John records that this is the third time that Jesus appears to them. John 21:14

John's account has nothing to do with what was written in Matthew or Luke, the two authors were writting two very different tales with very different details. . .

I believe Matthew 28:16 happened after this time most likely at about the time of the Ascension. And it's possible it was 500 people that witnessed it as Paul said.

They wouldn't have doubted him if he had appeared to them other times before, according to Mathew they doubted clearing signifying that it was his first appearance. . .

That's the story of Christ. I think you should read it as an account from five different narrators and not as two independent storytellers. the is no contradiction in the story of Christ's resurrection.

If I do what you are doing then I will end up forming my own gospel account. . .

[quote author=mazaje]

Firstly, the gospel does not state the location of the disciples. Secondly, Jesus told the lady to tell the 11 of his disciples after he resurrected according to Matthew to go to Galilee and meet him at a meeting point and he will appear to them.

Ok, first we know that wherever they were, they were definitely not in Galilee also the gospel of Matthew doesn't specifically say that the message was for 11 disciples exclusively (if you are going to stress over words, do it properly)

.Luke says he appeared to them in Jerusalem. . .

Ah so that's where they were! Glad we've finally found them in Jerusalem.

Remember after resurrecting from the dead the first thing he told the lady according to Matthew was to hurry and tell his disciples to head to Galilee. . .But Luke says he appeared to them in Jerusalem. . .It doesn't even mention Jesus telling them to go to Galilee. . .Matthew says he told them to go to Galiee so that he will appear to them there, Luke says he appeared to them in a room in Jerusalem, why will he tell them to go to Galilee so that he will apper to them there then go and appear to them in Jerusalem. . .

Why? Because He chose to do it that way.

If you read both accounts you will see that it was his first time of apearing to them because while some of them were estatic and happy others were doubtful and did not believe. . .If he has appeared to them different times as you are trying to have us believe, they will not be doubtful since they had already seen him before. . .No matter how you look at it , it just doesnt add up. . .

There are a thousand and one reasons why some would doubt. You can't judge people's reactions based on your own biases.

So what has Luke's different account go to do with Matthew?. . . .

It's part of the same story

This is your own gospel. . .It is your own making. .

I actually cited the bible verse

John's account has nothing to do with what was written in Matthew or Luke, the two authors were writting two very different tales with very different details. . .

No they are all telling the same story, each telling the part of the story he knows.

They wouldn't have doubted him if he had appeared to them other times before, according to Mathew they doubted clearing signifying that it was his first appearance. . .

Empty speculations from you. Some doubted and some did not. If some had seen Him before while some were seeing him for the first time, you would have this same effect.

If I do what you are doing then I will end up forming my own gospel account. . .

How can telling you to read all different accounts of the gospel lead you to forming your own account. On the contrary, it will give you a better understanding of the events. The problem is that you approach the stories with the preconceived bias that it is not true, so you read them as 5 different stories rather than one.


There is a saying that goes thus: "Before you begin to read between the lines, first of all read what is written on the lines."

Perhaps Mark's account will help clear things a bit:

5 And entering the tomb, they saw a young man clothed in a long white robe sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed.
6 But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.
7 But go, tell His disciples—and Peter—that He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him, as He said to you.”
8 So they went out quickly and fled from the tomb, for they trembled and were amazed. And they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.
9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.
10 She went and told those who had been with Him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And when they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they did not believe.
12 After that, He appeared in another form to two of them as they walked and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it to the rest, but they did not believe them either.
14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.
15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
Mark 16:5-18

Hope it adds up now.

Mr_Anony:

Ok, first we know that wherever they were, they were definitely not in Galilee also the gospel of Matthew doesn't specifically say that the message was for 11 disciples exclusively (if you are going to stress over words, do it properly)

It does. .It even stated that the 11 went and meet him in the meeting place in Galilee and he appeared to them. .

Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Ah so that's where they were! Glad we've finally found them in Jerusalem.

Thats according to Luke;s gospel, according to Matthews gospel account the headed striaght to Galilee and it was there that he appeared to them. . .The gospel accounts are both VERY different. . .If you add themn up then you form your own gospel and state thing non of them is actually talking about. . .

Why? Because He chose to do it that way.

False, because the two accounts are completely different. . .According to Matthew they were to head up to Galilee to meet him up and they did, according to Luke he appeared to them in Jerusalem. .Very different accounts. . .

There are a thousand and one reasons why some would doubt. You can't judge people's reactions based on your own biases.

If he had appeared to them before and they had seen him, eaten the food he gave them, remember in Luke it says he spoke with them provided evidence that he had risen and even gave them food. . .It doesn't make sence that they will go up to Galilee where he had passed message for them to meet up with him, see him and doubt after they were together with him before. . .The two accounts are completely different. . .And do not add up. . .

I actually cited the bible verse

You did no such thing, you are only forming your own gospel that has nothing to do with is written in Mathew or Luke.

No they are all telling the same story, each telling the part of the story he knows.

False, as such their accounts are all different, according to one of them when the woman entered the tomb she saw a man, the other said she saw an angle, the other said she saw two angles etc. . .The story does not add up if you look at it objectively, according to Matthew they were to head striaght to Galilee from where ever they were to meet with Jesus at a place he chose, they did and he appered to them. . Accoding to Luke, he appread to them for the first time in a room in Jerusalem. . .

Empty speculations from you. Some doubted and some did not. If some had seen Him before while some were seeing him for the first time, you would have this same effect.

We are talking about the 11 disciples and Luke says all saw him in Jerusalem. . .Mathew was very clear that it was ONLY the 11 that went up to the meeting place he assiged for them to meet in galilee. . .According to Luke they meet him, some dounted and he proved to them that he was raised from the dead after which he gave them food to eat. . .Seeing him for the second time after spening time with him in a meeting place he had told them to go and meet up with him will not make any of them to doubt him. . .So another fail on your side. . .

There is a saying that goes thus: "Before you begin to read between the lines, first of all read what is written on the lines."

Perhaps Mark's account will help clear things a bit:

5 And entering the tomb, they saw a young man clothed in a long white robe sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed.
6 But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.
7 But go, tell His disciples—and Peter—that He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him, as He said to you.”
8 So they went out quickly and fled from the tomb, for they trembled and were amazed. And they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.
9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.
10 She went and told those who had been with Him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And when they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they did not believe.
12 After that, He appeared in another form to two of them as they walked and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it to the rest, but they did not believe them either.
14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.
15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
Mark 16:5-18

Hope it adds up now.

This is Marks account that is completely different from that of Matthew and Luke. . .Re read the accounts of Matthwe and Luke again. . .What he told them in the accounts of Mark and Luke are all very different. . .They don;t even come close. . .

mazaje:

This is Marks account that is completely different from that of Matthew and Luke. . .Re read the accounts of Matthwe and Luke again. . .What he told them in the accounts of Mark and Luke are all very different. . .They don;t even come close. . .

Well then, I can't help you any further. You have decided before even attempting to read and understand the stories that they are all different.

I want you to note that if your claim is true, then you have no grounds for claiming a contradiction because a contradiction claim first assumes that the stories are fundamentally the same before seeking to reconcile apparent discrepancies.

I would also like you to note that if your claim is true then your belief that there was a Jesus Christ is false because there would either be four Jesuses or there is no Jesus.

Also note that on the grounds by which you rejected Christ's existence (i.e. based on accounts of his followers), you must also reject all ancient Egyptian, Persian and Greek history because they were written by citizens of the named empires.

This continues to every piece of information for which we can't find an "independent" source.

This also extends to you too. After you are dead and gone, you will essentially not have ever existed unless you keep a diary. Any two people who tell a story of your life must recite the same story to word-perfection or else they are talking of multiple mazajes or no mazaje at all.

If you are going to be a skeptic, let us take it to the fullest.

1)how is it that almost all the names in Western Biblical versions of the New Testament are different from those in the Old Testament?
2)how is it that the names in the Peshitta Bible versions are different from Roman/Vatican/English/Western versions?
3)how is it that the symbol of the cross (cross of Tammuz) was not used by Israel, was never recorded in the Scriptures, is strange to Jacob's true descendants, while Constantine propagated it?
4)how is it that the true Israelites are blacks but the Christians have been led to believe that they have Amorite features?
5)what happened to all the blacks of the Levant including the Aegean/Egun people of Philistine, the Edomites/Edo of Idumea/Idu, the Jebusites/Jebus, and the people of Judah/Judaea during the period of the Roman persecution [First (66-73 CE), Second (115-117 CE) and Third (132-135 CE) [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_wars]Jewish-Roman wars[/url] and the Samaritan Revolts of (484-572 CE), destruction of the second Temple in 70 CE] if not that the Greco-Romans massacred them?
6)which spirit do Christians call on when the Redeemer has mentioned clearly that He will gather back his scattered sheep and fill them with His Spirit?
7)why apparitions/visions, from Caucasians, of heaven, hell, Mary and the likes, are racist in that blacks and indigenous Negro names are not featured? (don’t blacks also go to heaven?). No wonder TuPac sang ‘I wonder if heaven got a ghetto’ – note that the posthumous producers of the video heavily added Zeus/Christian/deceptive elements to it.
8 )how is it that Christians accepted the lie that Abraham and his descendants are white?
9)how is it that the spirits they hear from either during prophecy, prayer and otherwise have not told them, especially those who call themselves born again, what the Redeemer’s true name is (John 18:37)?
10)how is it that the spirits they hear from either during prophecy, prayer and otherwise have not taught them, especially those who call themselves born again, to properly understand the Bible (John 12:40)?
11)since there are so many Christian denominations with so many interpretations of the Bible, can there be more than one Holy Spirit?
12)what happened to the Israelite tribe of Dan in Revelations 7:4-8?

[url=http://yemitom./2012/07/15/e%e1%b9%a3u-is-the-true-name-of-the-rock-of-ages/]Èṣú is the true name of the Rock of Ages[/url]

Mr_Anony:
Well then, I can't help you any further. You have decided before even attempting to read and understand the stories that they are all different.

They are all different. . .That is why one account states that the women saw a man inside the tomb, another states that it was two men, another stated that it was an angel etc. . .All writing their own different stufss. . .

I want you to note that if your claim is true, then you have no grounds for claiming a contradiction because a contradiction claim first assumes that the stories are fundamentally the same before seeking to reconcile apparent discrepancies.

The stories are all about a single person, so the contradiction stands. . .

I would also like you to note that if your claim is true then your belief that there was a Jesus Christ is false because there would either be four Jesuses or there is no Jesus.

I said there is a man behind the fable, all for gospels are fables. . .There are many different stories about Mohammed the prophet of islam from very different sources. . .That doesn't take away the possibility of a man being behind the fable Mohammed of the hadith. . .The gospels are fiction. . .All the other authors copied from the gospel of Mark and added their own fables to the original Mark. . . .They made corrections to the gospel of Mark in places where he got the geography and Jewish customs wrong. . The gospel of Mark was not written by a Jew at all. . .

Also note that on the grounds by which you rejected Christ's existence (i.e. based on accounts of his followers), you must also reject all ancient Egyptian, Persian and Greek history because they were written by citizens of the named empires.

As long as the ancient egyptians make extra ordinary claims about extra ordinary characters without any evidence then their tales about those characters will also be relegated to the realm of mythology. . .

This continues to every piece of information for which we can't find an "independent" source.

This also extends to you too. After you are dead and gone, you will essentially not have ever existed unless you keep a diary. Any two people who tell a story of your life must recite the same story to word-perfection or else they are talking of multiple mazajes or no mazaje at all.

If you are going to be a skeptic, let us take it to the fullest.

If after I die people that do not know me and have never meet me come about writing very contradictory stories about me long after I am dead while claiming to know me or where together with me means either they are lying or they do not know what they are talking about. .That is the story of Jesus, we have gospels that were written very long after he died, from people that have never meet him or were together with him, yet the church keeps lying that the gospels were written by his disciples when they werent even written by people that have ever meet him or knew him. . .

Delafruita:
i see your grouse with me lies in my "treatise" on islam.personally,i like muhammad.he was a straightforward person.he fought when he needed to and advocated peace when he needed.thats how to be a good leader/politician.i agree with the fact that the quran is almost the same universally but in truth,there are certain versions that differ.like i stated earlier,the differences are very little.for example the Ibn Masud codex doesnt have the suratul fatihah and one other sura(cant recall right now).as you know the compilation of the quran was began by abu bakr and this presumably was sparked by the death of over 700 memorizers of the quran in battle notable among them been salim who it was believed memorized over 70suras and recited them to the prophet during his life.the compilation was eventually completed by uthman and he insisted that all other versions(which were been used by quranic teachers who learnt from the prophet and taught the quran during his lifetime)be burnt.truth be told,the differences werent much.with most it was in the arrangement of the suras and verses while with a few it was with addition or exclusion of 1 or 2 suras.some of these scholars,about 7 of them refused to burn their versions.however uthman sent the othman codex to certain cities.also bear in mind that at this time islam had started to spread and there was the issue of turning the hitherto kafirs into genuine muslims.thus began massive teaching of the quran i.e. the uthman codex.the other codexes were banned from use and the uthman codex became the official quran although the ummayad dynasty still doesnt accept the uthman codex and still makes use of its own codex till this day.i cant remember the five other codexes right now.would probably check them out later.

First of all, let me appreciate the fact that you recognize that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a great leader trustworthy and peace loving and that the Qur'an was revealed to him through Angel gebriel and he is not the author but God. that's is the right thing to do (do not judge Islam base on what muslims Indivual do or what the sociaty does. judge it base on the authentic sources i.e Qur'an and the Sahid Hadeed) also I'd like to acknowledge that you have little knowledge about Islam and that's good find out more. however I'll advise that you should further your research I'm not a scholar and I knw that God sent series of Prophet to different nations and tribes .....Noah, Abraham, David, Moses Jesus and Muhammad the last and final prophet. just as Jesus (pbuh)said in the bible Matthew 5:17 do not think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill[/b]and that he was sent only to a tribe, Matthew 15:24 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." John 14:30,Deuteronomy 18:18 John 12:16 and many other verses in the bible talked about the coming of Prophet Muhammad.

Secondly you have not responded to the contradictory verses mentioned in the new testament that I listed, and u have not also said anything at all about the bible. God said in Holy Qur'an 3:18 [b]The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will) , Qur'an 3:84 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). Qur'an 3:102 "O you who believe, fear Allaah as He ought to be feared and do not die except as Muslims.”

Patiently waiting for you response......

Delafruita:
i see your grouse with me lies in my "treatise" on islam.personally,i like muhammad.he was a straightforward person.he fought when he needed to and advocated peace when he needed.thats how to be a good leader/politician.i agree with the fact that the quran is almost the same universally but in truth,there are certain versions that differ.like i stated earlier,the differences are very little.for example the Ibn Masud codex doesnt have the suratul fatihah and one other sura(cant recall right now).as you know the compilation of the quran was began by abu bakr and this presumably was sparked by the death of over 700 memorizers of the quran in battle notable among them been salim who it was believed memorized over 70suras and recited them to the prophet during his life.the compilation was eventually completed by uthman and he insisted that all other versions(which were been used by quranic teachers who learnt from the prophet and taught the quran during his lifetime)be burnt.truth be told,the differences werent much.with most it was in the arrangement of the suras and verses while with a few it was with addition or exclusion of 1 or 2 suras.some of these scholars,about 7 of them refused to burn their versions.however uthman sent the othman codex to certain cities.also bear in mind that at this time islam had started to spread and there was the issue of turning the hitherto kafirs into genuine muslims.thus began massive teaching of the quran i.e. the uthman codex.the other codexes were banned from use and the uthman codex became the official quran although the ummayad dynasty still doesnt accept the uthman codex and still makes use of its own codex till this day.i cant remember the five other codexes right now.would probably check them out later.

First of all, let me appreciate the fact that you recognize that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a great leader trustworthy and peace loving and that the Qur'an was revealed to him through Angel gebriel and he is not the author but God. that's is the right thing to do (do not judge Islam base on what muslims Indivual do or what the sociaty does. judge it base on the authentic sources i.e Qur'an and the Sahid Hadeed) also I'd like to acknowledge that you have little knowledge about Islam and that's good find out more. however I'll advise that you should further your research I'm not a scholar and I knw that God sent series of Prophet to different nations and tribes .....Noah, Abraham, David, Moses Jesus and Muhammad the last and final prophet. just as Jesus (pbuh)said in the bible Matthew 5:17 do not think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill[/b]and that he was sent only to a tribe, Matthew 15:24 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." John 14:30,Deuteronomy 18:18 John 12:16 and many other verses in the bible talked about the coming of Prophet Muhammad.

Secondly you have not responded to the contradictory verses mentioned in the new testament that I listed, and u have not also said anything at all about the bible. God said in Holy Qur'an 3:18 [b]The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will) , Qur'an 3:84 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). Qur'an 3:102 "O you who believe, fear Allah as He ought to be feared and do not die except as Muslims.”

Patiently waiting for you response......

kiu_usm:

First of all, let me appreciate the fact that you recognize that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a great leader trustworthy and peace loving and that the Qur'an was revealed to him through Angel gebriel and he is not the author but God. that's is the right thing to do (do not judge Islam base on what muslims Indivual do or what the sociaty does. judge it base on the authentic sources i.e Qur'an and the Sahid Hadeed) also I'd like to acknowledge that you have little knowledge about Islam and that's good find out more. however I'll advise that you should further your research I'm not a scholar and I knw that God sent series of Prophet to different nations and tribes .....Noah, Abraham, David, Moses Jesus and Muhammad the last and final prophet. just as Jesus (pbuh)said in the bible Matthew 5:17 do not think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill[/b]and that he was sent only to a tribe, Matthew 15:24 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." John 14:30,Deuteronomy 18:18 John 12:16 and many other verses in the bible talked about the coming of Prophet Muhammad.

Secondly you have not responded to the contradictory verses mentioned in the new testament that I listed, and u have not also said anything at all about the bible. God said in Holy Qur'an 3:18 [b]The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will) , Qur'an 3:84 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). Qur'an 3:102 "O you who believe, fear Allah as He ought to be feared and do not die except as Muslims.”

Patiently waiting for you response......

first,i responded to the contradictions you posted by saying the old testament is known to have errors.its principally a book of history to which no claim of divinity is attached.hence its errors dont get much attention.
second,i agree that muhammad was a great leader but i dont subscribe to the divine revvelation of the quran.
thirdly,islam has as one of its arctcles of faith a believe in the holy books.islam claims the holy book revealed to isa is injil which christians call the new testament.there is a genuine belief that jesus never existed and if that is true,it means jibril sold a lot of hocus-pocus to muhammad.furthermore,jesus didnt write the injil so i wonder when it was revealed to him.the injil wasnt compiled till over 300years after his death.its either muhammad heard wrongly or he spoke based on the prevailing circumstances of the time

lekkie073: There is no how an individual's lifetime event can be documented by more than one person without discrepancies.

Don't take it personal but u ar a fool

pimps:
Don't take it personal but u ar a fool

bros u dey ve o.d guy offend you before?

Delafruita:
first,i responded to the contradictions you posted by saying the old testament is known to have errors.its principally a book of history to which no claim of divinity is attached.hence its errors dont get much attention.
second,i agree that muhammad was a great leader but i dont subscribe to the divine revvelation of the quran.
thirdly,islam has as one of its arctcles of faith a believe in the holy books.islam claims the holy book revealed to isa is injil which christians call the new testament.there is a genuine belief that jesus never existed and if that is true,it means jibril sold a lot of hocus-pocus to muhammad.furthermore,jesus didnt write the injil so i wonder when it was revealed to him.the injil wasnt compiled till over 300years after his death.its either muhammad heard wrongly or he spoke based on the prevailing circumstances of the time

Can one just imagine this lad?
He will start by making bogus assumptions and end with making outrageouse conclusions.

How did u arrive at the "being written 300yrs after Jesus dead"?

Well, u are a character fill with lies even against me, so, i should not take u seriousely.
Beside, i had already u who u are.
A muslim.
Thats why u come up with this argument that the muslim always put forward to discredit Jesus while projecting muhamed.
U are just putting up an act to deceive the unsuspected nairalanders.

This forum is feel up with muslim with double usernames posing as atheist.

300yrs indeed.
how can some one with a conscience come up with such kind idea if not some one with a hatred like the boko haram?

If u dont have conscience in killing human's how can u have conscience in lying.

truthislight:

Can one just imagine this lad?
He will start by making bogus assumptions and end with making outrageouse conclusions.

How did u arrive at the "being written 300yrs after Jesus dead"?

Well, u are a character fill with lies even against me, so, i should not take u seriousely.
Beside, i had already u who u are.
A muslim.
Thats why u come up with this argument that the muslim always put forward to discredit Jesus while projecting muhamed.
U are just putting up an act to deceive the unsuspected nairalanders.

This forum is feel up with muslim with double usernames posing as atheist.

300yrs indeed.
how can some one with a conscience come up with such kind idea if not some one with a hatred like the boko haram?

If u dont have conscience in killing human's how can u have conscience in lying.

you are either dumb,mumuish or a product of a very baaad educational system.
i am 10000% certain that no sensible person will read that post and have the slightest notion that i am a muslim on a clandestine operation to damage christianity.
a thought just occured to me:your reading and comprehension skill might be just as bad as your writing skill and in that case your folly can be forgiven

truthislight:

Can one just imagine this lad?
He will start by making bogus assumptions and end with making outrageouse conclusions.

How did u arrive at the "being written 300yrs after Jesus dead"?

Well, u are a character fill with lies even against me, so, i should not take u seriousely.
Beside, i had already u who u are.
A muslim.
Thats why u come up with this argument that the muslim always put forward to discredit Jesus while projecting muhamed.
U are just putting up an act to deceive the unsuspected nairalanders.

This forum is feel up with muslim with double usernames posing as atheist.

300yrs indeed.
how can some one with a conscience come up with such kind idea if not some one with a hatred like the boko haram?

If u dont have conscience in killing human's how can u have conscience in lying.

you are either dumb,mumuish or a product of a very baaad educational system.
i am 10000% certain that no sensible person will read that post and have the slightest notion that i am a muslim on a clandestine operation to damage christianity.
a thought just occured to me:your reading and comprehension skill might be just as bad as your writing skill and in that case your folly can be forgiven

Delafruita:
you are either dumb,mumuish or a product of a very baaad educational system.
i am 10000% certain that no sensible person will read that post and have the slightest notion that i am a muslim on a clandestine operation to damage christianity.
a thought just occured to me:your reading and comprehension skill might be just as bad as your writing skill and in that case your folly can be forgiven

There are honest muslim that dont resort to second hand means like u are doing.
Honest muslim that concentrate on there worship. Not out to lie against others and there are also the kinds like u.

The anger and reaction says other wise.
U even got so angry that u went personal.

Well, unfortunately for u, i dont use foul language and i dont curse, so i cant even imagine thinking of paying u back in kind.

It only goes to show the kind of individual we are dealing with, extreme lack of humanity and decency.
Peace

Delafruita:
you are either dumb,mumuish or a product of a very baaad educational system.
i am 10000% certain that no sensible person will read that post and have the slightest notion that i am a muslim on a clandestine operation to damage christianity.
a thought just occured to me:your reading and comprehension skill might be just as bad as your writing skill and in that case your folly can be forgiven

Yes no sensible person will read that and get the sense am getting cus the drama was perfectly played out.
U are just wandering how i come to know.
In fact u are asking. If there is a statement from those post that let the cat out of the bag.

Funny.

truthislight:

Yes no sensible person will read that and get the sense am getting cus the drama was perfectly played out.
U are just wandering how i come to know.
In fact u are asking. If there is a statement from those post that let the cat out of the bag.

Funny.

i laff in swahili.keep mumuing yaself

Delafruita:
first,i responded to the contradictions you posted by saying the old testament is known to have errors.its principally a book of history to which no claim of divinity is attached.hence its errors dont get much attention.
second,i agree that muhammad was a great leader but i dont subscribe to the divine revvelation of the quran.
thirdly,islam has as one of its arctcles of faith a believe in the holy books.islam claims the holy book revealed to isa is injil which christians call the new testament.there is a genuine belief that jesus never existed and if that is true,it means jibril sold a lot of hocus-pocus to muhammad.furthermore,jesus didnt write the injil so i wonder when it was revealed to him.the injil wasnt compiled till over 300years after his death.its either muhammad heard wrongly or he spoke based on the prevailing circumstances of the time

Now you are admitting that the bible if full of error and it's not a complete word of God, still you have not talk about some of the errors mentioned in the New testament. we Muslims belief that the INJIL given to Jesus (PBUH) is not what is in the new testament you have today. though there are some part that contained God's word.
but let face it there are addition deletion. there are some verses that portrays Prophets of God as bad people in the new testament. the INJIl is not in its original form.As you rightly said it is an article of faith for a muslim to believe in the holy books sent by God to prophets.. Muslims belief in all the books sent down to His prophets. These books include Torah, Zabur, Injil (Gospel in its original form) and Quran. The Holy Quran is the only divine book in extant today in the original revealed form.
pls I want to ask whose belief is that Jesus never exited? I can see clearly you're dodging my questions. I'd advise you to get the holy Qu'ran and read it with an open mind...I'm sure by God willing you'll accept Islam.

kiu_usm:

Now you are admitting that the bible if full of error and it's not a complete word of God, still you have not talk about some of the errors mentioned in the New testament. we Muslims belief that the INJIL given to Jesus (PBUH) is not what is in the new testament you have today. though there are some part that contained God's word.
but let face it there are addition deletion. there are some verses that portrays Prophets of God as bad people in the new testament. the INJIl is not in its original form.As you rightly said it is an article of faith for a muslim to believe in the holy books sent by God to prophets.. Muslims belief in all the books sent down to His prophets. These books include Torah, Zabur, Injil (Gospel in its original form) and Quran. The Holy Quran is the only divine book in extant today in the original revealed form.
pls I want to ask whose belief is that Jesus never exited? I can see clearly you're dodging my questions. I'd advise you to get the holy Qu'ran and read it with an open mind...I'm sure by God willing you'll accept Islam.

give one evidence outside the bible and quran for the existence of jesus

truthislight:

There are honest muslim that dont resort to second hand means like u are doing.
Honest muslim that concentrate on there worship. Not out to lie against others and there are also the kinds like u.

The anger and reaction says other wise.
U even got so angry that u went personal.

Well, unfortunately for u, i dont use foul language and i dont curse, so i cant even imagine thinking of paying u back in kind.

It only goes to show the kind of individual we are dealing with, extreme lack of humanity and decency.
Peace

Shut d hell up.u think like a baby pls face that christianity tin u ar doing becus u nope noofin abt islam n u will never nope wt such mindset

Delafruita:
bros u dey ve o.d guy offend you before?

The guY da para yan

pimps:
Shut d hell up.u think like a baby pls face that christianity tin u ar doing becus u nope noofin abt islam n u will never nope wt such mindset

"By there fruit u shall know them".
Good u believe in the Jesus that said that.
Peace.