What Is Sufism

Wait a minute! Why are Muslims ducking this thread?

Where are Muhammad's footsoldiers and Islam's errand boys on Nairaland? Olabowale, babs787, oyb, combatant, Lakpene, auwal87, etc . . . wetin dey happen? Can you make meaningful contributions to this thread? Or, is your defeaning silence here an indication of an unspoken frisson?

From www.islam-qa.com:

Question:
Is the “Da’wah and Tableegh” group one of the misguided groups? And what about Sufism?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

It is important for us to understand, firstly, that the words “Tasawwuf” and “Sufism” are modern terms which refer to something that is not automatically approved of in sharee’ah as the words eemaan (faith), Islam and ihsaan are. Neither is it automatically condemned like the words kufr, fusooq (immorality) and ‘asyaan (disobedience, sin).

In such cases, we need to find out more about what is meant by such words before we can pass comment. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The words al-faqr and al-tasawwuf (i.e., Sufism) may include some things that are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, and these are things that are enjoined even if they are called faqr or tasawwuf, because the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that they are mustahabb and that is not altered if they called by other names. That also includes actions of the heart such as repentance and patience. And it may include things that are hated by Allaah and His Messenger, such as some kinds of belief in incarnation and pantheism, or monasticism that has been innovated in Islam, or things that go against sharee’ah and have been innovated, and so on. These things are forbidden no matter what names they are given… And it may include limiting oneself to a certain style of clothing or certain customs, ways of speaking and behaving, in such a way that anyone who goes beyond it is regarded as an outsider, although this is not something that has been stipulated in the Qur’aan or Sunnah; rather it may be something that is permissible or it may be something that is makrooh, and this is a bid’ah that is forbidden. This is not the way of the friends of Allaah (awliya’ Allaah); such things are innovations and misguidance that exists among those who claim to follow the Sufi path. Similarly, among those who claim to be servants of knowledge there are innovations that involve beliefs and words that go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah, using phrases and terminology that have no basis in sharee’ah. Many such things happen among those people.

The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and disobey Allaah and His Messenger. He accepts from every group that which was taught by the Messenger… when a person seeks the truth and justice, based on knowledge, he is one of the successful friends of Allaah and His victorious party…

Al-Fataawa, 11/280-290.

[b]But what Shaykh al-Islam said about the view of Sufis depending on their situation is almost too theoretical for our times, when the objectionable matters that he referred to have become part of the path of those who call themselves Sufis nowadays, in addition to the different occasions they celebrate such as the Mawlid, and their exaggeration about their living shaykhs, and their attachment to shrines and graves, where they pray and circumambulate the graves and make vows to them, and other well-known practices of theirs. Because of these matters, the correct approach now is to warn against them with no reservations. This is what was agreed upon by the Standing Committee in their answer to a question about the ruling on the Sufi tareeqahs that exist nowadays. They said:

Usually those that are called Sufis nowadays follow bid’ahs (innovations) that constitute shirk, as well as other kinds of bid’ah, such as when some of them say “Madad ya sayyid (Help, O Master)”, and call upon the qutubs (“holy men”), and recite dhikr in unison using names by Allaah has not called Himself, like saying “Huw, Huw (He, He)” and “Ah, Ah (a contraction of the word ‘Allaah’)”. Whoever reads their books will be aware of many of their innovations that constitute shirk, and other evils. [/b]

With regard to the Jamaa’at al-Tableegh, this is one of the groups that is active in the field of da’wah, calling people to Allaah. They do a great deal of good and make commendable efforts. How many sinners have repented at their hands, and how many have now become devoted to worship of Allaah. But this group is not free of some innovations in knowledge and action, to which the scholars have drawn attention. But whatever the case they cannot be described as being one of the misguided groups. We have quoted above the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah: The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah. For more information on this group, see the answer to questions no. 8674 and 39349.

Islam Q&A

@stranger26,

Many thanks for reposting that article and also leaving us the link to clear doubts of plagarism - that was dignified of you.

However, here is a little something for your observation: I do hope that Muslims try to read and understand what they recycle before trying to feed others with the same stuff! How tragic it would be to post something you don't understand as an alternative to your own reasoning!

stranger26:

From www.islam-qa.com:

Question:
Is the “Da’wah and Tableegh” group one of the misguided groups? And what about Sufism?.

That, my dear, is the core issue that Muslims worldwide should try and address.

stranger26:

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

It is important for us to understand, firstly, that the words “Tasawwuf” and “Sufism” are modern terms which refer to something that is not automatically approved of in sharee’ah as the words eemaan (faith), Islam and ihsaan are. Neither is it automatically condemned like the words kufr, fusooq (immorality) and ‘asyaan (disobedience, sin).

In other words, Sufism is neither approved nor condemned - neither here nor there - in Islam! Which would go to mean by inference that Islam is made up, not on the fundamentals of the Qur'anic stipulations, but from the committee of men who sit among themselves and churcn out jurisdictions for others to abide by!

stranger26:

In such cases, we need to find out more about what is meant by such words before we can pass comment. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The words al-faqr and al-tasawwuf (i.e., Sufism) may include some things that are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, and these are things that are enjoined even if they are called faqr or tasawwuf, because the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that they are mustahabb and that is not altered if they called by other names.

I'm sorry, but the "mustahabb" are things which recommended and not "enjoined". I may have left Islam, but I still know and remember that much to debate that issue soundly!

There is a difference between what is ENJOINED and what is merely RECOMMENDED! In simple terms, one who does a "mustahabb" action is jollified or rewarded, but one who leaves it is not punished. That is why we find that what is ENJOINED on the Muslim ummah is not merely recommended, because if you default on that which is enjoined, there is a punitive measure to be taken against the Muslim who does so!

stranger26:

That also includes actions of the heart such as repentance and patience. And it may include things that are hated by Allaah and His Messenger, such as some kinds of belief in incarnation and pantheism, or monasticism that has been innovated in Islam, or things that go against sharee’ah and have been innovated, and so on. These things are forbidden no matter what names they are given… And it may include limiting oneself to a certain style of clothing or certain customs, ways of speaking and behaving, in such a way that anyone who goes beyond it is regarded as an outsider, although this is not something that has been stipulated in the Qur’aan or Sunnah; rather it may be something that is permissible or it may be something that is makrooh, and this is a bid’ah that is forbidden.

Great! Lol. . .

First, I would like Olabowale and his friends to understand that you have confirmed my point! I have often told them that there are issues which are taught as part of Islamic TENETS -- but which are not stipulated in the QUR'AN or SUNNAH (Hadiths) - but they have denied it again and again!! Hehehe!!

Anyhow, I still await a reasonable explication of how it is that in Islam, what is "forbidden" falls within the purview of "permissible", and what is "permissible" is ranked among the "forbidden"!! Una try well-well! That is why al-taqiyya is also practiced in Islam -LIE and DENY as much as you can while pretending that the same things being denied are "true".

stranger26:

This is not the way of the friends of Allaah (awliya’ Allaah); such things are innovations and misguidance that exists among those who claim to follow the Sufi path. Similarly, among those who claim to be servants of knowledge there are innovations that involve beliefs and words that go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah, using phrases and terminology that have no basis in sharee’ah. Many such things happen among those people.

Okay, I hear. The "innovations" are indeed MANY in Islam! Only God knows how many times I have announced that very thing - and Muslims are hard of hearing! After trying to smuggle Muhammad into the Bible and failed thereto, they innovated the idea of saying that the Torah and the Injil were lost - whereas neither the Qur'an nor the Sunnah clamied any such things!

A second one is that the Sufis and the other denominations of Islam are DEEPLY divided between themselves as to whether it is possible for Muslims to see 'Allah' during Judgement/Resurrection day! The issue has been either affirmed or denied - and certain Muslims have killed themselves over that debate!

Tell me, what will happen to such Muslims who quarreled and killed their Muslim brethren on such issues?

stranger26:

The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and disobey Allaah and His Messenger. He accepts from every group that which was taught by the Messenger… when a person seeks the truth and justice, based on knowledge, he is one of the successful friends of Allaah and His victorious party…

That is a political redaction of what Muhammad taught! Muhammad did not see a denominational Islam within which some people believe this and some others believed that - for him, it was either you believed just what he taught and stop there, or your place was among the denizens of Hell!

stranger26:

Usually those that are called Sufis nowadays follow bid’ahs (innovations) that constitute shirk, as well as other kinds of bid’ah, such as when some of them say “Madad ya sayyid (Help, O Master)”, and call upon the qutubs (“holy men”), and recite dhikr in unison using names by Allaah has not called Himself, like saying “Huw, Huw (He, He)” and “Ah, Ah (a contraction of the word ‘Allaah’)”. Whoever reads their books will be aware of many of their innovations that constitute shirk, and other evils. [/b]

Em, excuse me - the finger of accusation is now pointing against the Sufis, whereas the Sunnis and Shiites themselves know that they have invented innovations that are not in the Qur'an or Sunnah! This Muslim world sef!!

Anyway, I've again made the statement that Muslims have also practised polytheism - joining others with 'Allah'. They have referred to Muhammad in the past as "Lord", now in their attempt to remove all traces of such practices from public eyes, the few that have held on to these ideas still call Muhammad "leige-Lord".

Besides, I hope that the other Muslims will now see the confirmation in your quote that Muslims have also called upon (prayed to) "holy men" (qutubs) as well as called 'Allah' names which neither Muhammad nor his predecessors knew! How did Muhammad come to know that 'Allah' has only 99 names - did he himself tell which names they were?

stranger26:

With regard to the Jamaa’at al-Tableegh, this is one of the groups that is active in the field of da’wah, calling people to Allaah. They do a great deal of good and make commendable efforts. How many sinners have repented at their hands, and how many have now become devoted to worship of Allaah. But this group is not free of some innovations in knowledge and action, to which the scholars have drawn attention. But whatever the case they cannot be described as being one of the misguided groups. We have quoted above the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah: The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah. For more information on this group, see the answer to questions no. 8674 and 39349.

Great - because the Sufis are not as many in number as the Sunis or Shiites, these latter groups find it convenient to deride the Sufis while acclaiming that the Jamaa’at al-Tableegh who are guilty of the same "innovations" are not guilty of the same crime!

This is why I am asking Muslims to clear their own inconsistencies and confusion before pointing accusing fingers at non-Muslims.

Well done!

pilgrim.1:

@stranger26,

Many thanks for reposting that article and also leaving us the link to clear doubts of plagarism - that was dignified of you.

Ahem, pilgrim1, in case you didn't know, plagiarism is taking someone else's work and representing it as your own, please tell me where I did such a thing. Did I tell you its my own writing? Please just because I'm a muslim doesn't mean you should hurl unnecessary comments in my direction.

pilgrim.1:


In other words, Sufism is neither approved nor condemned - neither here nor there - in Islam! Which would go to mean by inference that Islam is made up, not on the fundamentals of the Qur'anic stipulations, but from the committee of men who sit among themselves and churcn out jurisdictions for others to abide by!

I'm sorry, but the "mustahabb" are things which recommended and not "enjoined". I may have left Islam, but I still know and remember that much to debate that issue soundly!

There is a difference between what is ENJOINED and what is merely RECOMMENDED! In simple terms, one who does a "mustahabb" action is jollified or rewarded, but one who leaves it is not punished. That is why we find that what is ENJOINED on the Muslim ummah is not merely recommended, because if you default on that which is enjoined, there is a punitive measure to be taken against the Muslim who does so!

Did you finish reading the article before concluding that sufism is neither approved nor condemned? How was the article concluded?
And about the enjoined issue, the shaykh in question (Ibn Taymiyah) did not speak english, what you hae here is a translation. As long as he didn't confuse FARDH with MUSTAHHAB, then obviously its a translation error.

pilgrim.1:

Great! Lol. . .

First, I would like Olabowale and his friends to understand that you have confirmed my point! I have often told them that there are issues which are taught as part of Islamic TENETS -- but which are not stipulated in the QUR'AN or SUNNAH (Hadiths) - but they have denied it again and again!! Hehehe!!

Anyhow, I still await a reasonable explication of how it is that in Islam, what is "forbidden" falls within the purview of "permissible", and what is "permissible" is ranked among the "forbidden"!! Una try well-well! That is why al-taqiyya is also practiced in Islam -LIE and DENY as much as you can while pretending that the same things being denied are "true".

I'm glad you found that funny because I'm finding it funny too, it sure is funny how you can wilfully misunderstand a clear paragraph. The paragraph was condemning the action of those who limit themselves to certain customs even though that limitation was not stipulated in the Qur'an or Sunnah. Please reread it yourself and see what they're actually saying.

And about the tarqiyyah issue, bring me proof from a SUNNI source that this is right, show me that this is accepted by sunnis. This is a part of Shiism which is why SUNNI's do not accept Shias as muslims, because Shias have introduced things that are not part of islam.

pilgrim.1:


Okay, I hear. The "innovations" are indeed MANY in Islam! Only God knows how many times I have announced that very thing - and Muslims are hard of hearing! After trying to smuggle Muhammad into the Bible and failed thereto, they innovated the idea of saying that the Torah and the Injil were lost - whereas neither the Qur'an nor the Sunnah clamied any such things!

A second one is that the Sufis and the other denominations of Islam are DEEPLY divided between themselves as to whether it is possible for Muslims to see 'Allah' during Judgement/Resurrection day! The issue has been either affirmed or denied - and certain Muslims have killed themselves over that debate!

Interestingly, christians all over the world are unanimous in their beliefs. Abi that's not true? All christians whether Catholic, Anglican, Pentecostal, Protestant, etc, all agree on the same tenets of Christianity, which is why some Christian sects accuse Catholicism of having elements of paganism, and they all try to discredit each other's beliefs. But OH WAIT, its CHRISTIANITY, any divisions between the sects doesn't count when the argument is about Islam. Its only those barbaric muslims who are DEEPLY divided between themselves, such a thing has never happened i christianity!

pilgrim.1:

Em, excuse me - the finger of accusation is now pointing against the Sufis, whereas the Sunnis and Shiites themselves know that they have invented innovations that are not in the Qur'an or Sunnah! This Muslim world sef!!

Anyway, I've again made the statement that Muslims have also practised polytheism - joining others with 'Allah'. They have referred to Muhammad in the past as "Lord", now in their attempt to remove all traces of such practices from public eyes, the few that have held on to these ideas still call Muhammad "leige-Lord".

Besides, I hope that the other Muslims will now see the confirmation in your quote that Muslims have also called upon (prayed to) "holy men" (qutubs) as well as called 'Allah' names which neither Muhammad nor his predecessors knew! How did Muhammad come to know that 'Allah' has only 99 names - did he himself tell which names they were?

Please, when talking about Islamic beliefs, refer only to sunnis. I've already stated that the actions of Shias are not accepted as part of Islam. Refer to the other thread about sufism where we mentioned that there will be 73 sects etc.

Now back to the topic, the article was CLEARLY stating that joing others with Allah (shirk) is EVIL, abi no be so? Please get me the proof of MUSLIMS calling Muhammad lord when in many instances in the Qur'an it mentions that he is ONLY A MAN who has been sent by Allah.

pilgrim.1:

This is why I am asking Muslims to clear their own inconsistencies and confusion before pointing accusing fingers at non-Muslims.

Yeah, and since the Christians have cleared their own inconsistencies, gotten rid of their divisions and cleared the confusion about their sects, they are most welcome to point fingers at Muslims.

pilgrim.1:

Well done!

Thank you, o, my sister!

@stranger26,

stranger26:

Ahem, pilgrim1, in case you didn't know, plagiarism is taking someone else's work and representing it as your own, please tell me where I did such a thing. Did I tell you its my own writing? Please just because I'm a muslim doesn't mean you should hurl unnecessary comments in my direction.

Ahem! Please wash your eyes with zam-zam water before you presume what is not in my post. Did I assume you were plagiarizing? Or what do you understand from this statement: "that was dignified of you"? If I was assuming you plagiarized the article (which I had seen before you reposted it), I would very well have said so. But I only observed that you had left us the link to clear any doubts! Is English too hard for you before you launch into unnecessary reactions? Haba!!

stranger26:

Did you finish reading the article before concluding that sufism is neither approved nor condemned? How was the article concluded?

I read through the whole article - I had also seen the follow-up in relevant articles on the website and other sources. The point I made was to observe that Sufism is NEITHER condemned nor condoned by Muslim apologists initially. . . while you find them doing the condemnation politically as one reads along the lines of their concluding remarks! That was why I queried the misconceptions that many Muslims hold, that while it is convenent to condemn Sufism, they find it quite congenial to "approve" of others (Jamaa’at al-Tableegh) who do exactly the same thing!

stranger26:

And about the enjoined issue, the shaykh in question (Ibn Taymiyah) did not speak english, what you hae here is a translation. As long as he didn't confuse FARDH with MUSTAHHAB, then obviously its a translation error.

Excuse me? What is "mustahhab"?

If the Sheik was misleading people (translation or dialect-wise) by misrepresenting the choice of his words, what's my worry about that? I don't claim any special knowledge, but my dear, translation or no translation, the Sheik was WRONG, and we should not be shy about saying so! That is how Muslims swallow everything hook-line and sinker without seeking to understand what they are being spoon-fed.

stranger26:

I'm glad you found that funny because I'm finding it funny too, it sure is funny how you can wilfully misunderstand a clear paragraph. The paragraph was condemning the action of those who limit themselves to certain customs even though that limitation was not stipulated in the Qur'an or Sunnah. Please reread it yourself and see what they're actually saying.

Let's get this really clear: the Sheik was recommending that the jurisprudence upon which many Muslims pass their remarks about Sufism is nowhere stipulated in the Qur'an nor Sunnah! If that were otherwise so, please stranger26, quote the verses and let's consider them together!

It is not merely a matter of "limitations" - the Sheik was confusing himself - and those who copy-and-paste his "errors" (as you called them). Else, how come some Muslims find it so convenient to put some of their brethren down and yet aprrove other Muslims who do the same thing?!?

stranger26:

And about the tarqiyyah issue, bring me proof from a SUNNI source that this is right, show me that this is accepted by sunnis. This is a part of Shiism which is why SUNNI's do not accept Shias as muslims, because Shias have introduced things that are not part of islam.

(a) There is no Muslim I know on the face of the earth that approves of al-taqiyya. But it is a fact that whether you belong to one denomination or the other, many Muslims still employ al-taqiyya! You may have seen how Muslims LIE on this Forum - and that is why I often point out the fact again and again so no one is deceived anymore thereto!

(2) after checking with the facts that Muslims LIE even on this Forum, would you say that such Muslims (whatever branch of Islam they practise) are regarded as NON-Muslims?

(3) remember what Muhammad taught about making statements are other Muslims? here:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 46:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
The Prophet said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (an evil doing)
and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)."

I wonder what right Muslims today have to abuse other Muslims of whatever denomination and denounce them? Where did Muhammad teach that?

stranger26:

Interestingly, christians all over the world are unanimous in their beliefs. Abi that's not true? All christians whether Catholic, Anglican, Pentecostal, Protestant, etc, all agree on the same tenets of Christianity, which is why some Christian sects accuse Catholicism of having elements of paganism, and they all try to discredit each other's beliefs. But OH WAIT, its CHRISTIANITY, any divisions between the sects doesn't count when the argument is about Islam. Its only those barbaric muslims who are DEEPLY divided between themselves, such a thing has never happened i christianity!

Don't take a heart attack on assumptions. Christians have not said that all denominations are unanimous on the Christian faith - and the Bible clearly makes the claim that most people who claim to be Christians are actually not true to the faith!

It is Muslims who have always sought to deride Christians on assumption that the Muslim ummah is unanimous! I'm only asking you guys to sweep your backyard and tidy your own corridors before assuming a superior task-force role of correcting others!

stranger26:

Please, when talking about Islamic beliefs, refer only to sunnis. I've already stated that the actions of Shias are not accepted as part of Islam. Refer to the other thread about sufism where we mentioned that there will be 73 sects etc.

First, which one of the 73 sects were specifically emntioned by Muhammad as authentic Muslim?

Second, what arrogance are you playing here to refer to others (non-Sunnis) as non-Muslims? How did you come about the idea that if one were speaking about Islam, then it should be synonymous with Sunni?

Don't make me laugh! You're just simply being arrogant!

stranger26:

Now back to the topic, the article was CLEARLY stating that joing others with Allah (shirk) is EVIL, abi no be so?

Na so! And Sunnis have done that in more ways than others have!

stranger26:

Please get me the proof of MUSLIMS calling Muhammad lord when in many instances in the Qur'an it mentions that he is ONLY A MAN who has been sent by Allah.

Which one do you want - the FACT that Muslims have called Muhammad "Lord" earlier in Islamic history, or the fallacy of trying to hide behind your finger that Muslims have never done so?

I have often given the simple request: DENY the fact and I shall serve them! I just want people to see the arrogant liars that Muslims make of themseles and their histories.

stranger26:

Yeah, and since the Christians have cleared their own inconsistencies, gotten rid of their divisions and cleared the confusion about their sects, they are most welcome to point fingers at Muslims.

We don't point fingers at Muslims - it is the illiterate attitude of Muslims who are first to jump on the bandwagon of trying to put down everything Christian that have informed the replies that we offer to go home and check the facts of how sorry Islam is. Rather than sobby like toddler, smart up and clear your mind of your arrognace - first about your childish reactions; and second, about your arrogance to assume that Sunnis alone are Muslims! That, my dear, is daft!

stranger26:

Thank you, o, my sister!

Welcome.

And about the tarqiyyah issue, bring me proof from  a SUNNI source that this is right, show me that this is accepted by sunnis. This is a part of Shiism which is why SUNNI's do not accept Shias as muslims, because Shias have introduced things that are not part of islam.

Please, when talking about Islamic beliefs, refer only to sunnis. I've already stated that the actions of Shias are not accepted as part of Islam.

ROFL.
I thought alhaji olabs told us there were no sects in Islam?

so tell me when Muslims tell us the population of Muslims like they throw in our faces every once in a while do they count only Sunnis?
This al taquiyyah thing runs deep o
Lord have mercy

please pilgrim break it down without the arabic words.
What is sufism?
are they the ones that cut themselves up with knife and chant allahu akhbar?
are they like the aladura or cele of Islam?
we have heard them talk of denominations and versions of the Bible and talk of the oneness of Islam and Koran.
I wonder how people could look you in the eye and tell korokoro lies.
oya take it away hon

@nwando,

nwando:

ROFL.
I thought alhaji olabs told us there were no sects in Islam?

Hahahahahaaa!! I no fit laugh finish!! I knew why I brought them here to bleach their LIES, LIES and LIES!! That is the art they have perfected!

nwando:

so tell me when Muslims tell us the population of Muslims like they throw in our faces every once in a while do they count only Sunnis?

Abeg helep me ask stranger26 well-well! "Islam is the fastest growing religion", they say. . . and in stranger's eyes, that means they are the fatests growing Sunnis!!

nwando:

This al taquiyyah thing runs deep o
Lord have mercy

We never see the surface yet. . . when the discussions grow, you go see how Muslims dey LIE like no man's business!!

@Pilgrim.1: My 'self-exile,' as you call it, was strictly because of my business. I have
great responsibility as a captain of a solvent company. I do not always have the time
to do as I am pleased, sometimes. I have many hundreds of people depending upon
my effort. Thats the responsibility that my Creator has given me.

The Alberta clippers is what is coming from your mouth. Not from me. What comes out
from mine is pure Platinum. It is more expensive than Gold. You wanna talk about Sufi?
Please go right ahead. The floor is yours. It neither profits you, nor changes your disbelief.

@nwando,

nwando:

please pilgrim break it down without the arabic words.
What is sufism?

Nne, just gee me a bit more time to bleach these rascals and errand boys & gals for the knife prophet! Such hypocrisy! I'll allow them enough time to ridicule themselves here then help them untie their shoe-lace!

I'm only sorry for these folks and wish they would simply stop this penchant to deceive themselves and the public. However, when I discuss issue subsequently, I'll try and define the Islamic and arabic terms so readers can assimilate more easily.

Cheers.

I am all ears.
where are combatant and lekpenne.
They are in for an edumacation
today na today

while waiting let me google sufism and begin reading up.
I want to follow right along

@Stranger26: As Salaamualaykum waramatullah. It is better to ignore a people who
are from jahaliyyah. Their ignorance will definitely lead them to the fire of Hell. It is a
thing decreed. You warn them, you warn them not, it is the same. They are deaf, dumb
and blind, with heart harder than stone. The stone, if you move it, you will find that the
soil under it is wet after a  rainfall. The spirituality of these disbelievers is already dead.

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Pilgrim.1: My 'self-exile,' as you call it, was strictly because of my business. I have
great responsibility as a captain of a solvent company. I do not always have the time
to do as I am pleased, sometimes. I have many hundreds of people depending upon
my effort. Thats the responsibility that my Creator has given me.

Why do you scoot off from thread to thread littering the Forum with irrelevant gist? What has your "self-exile" really got to do with this thread? Meanwhile, when I read some people making reference to it, I had to go back and try and investigate what actually led to your long absence. You didn't scoot off on the excuse you're now offering - again, that would be like you're on the Forum now because 'Allah' has taken that responsibility away from your hands!

Would you stop deflecting threads if you're shamed too much to make sane contributions?

olabowale:

The Alberta clippers is what is coming from your mouth. Not from me.

Rubbish! I never referred you to such, and your accusative remarks have nothing to do with what I'm saying.

olabowale:

What comes out from mine is pure Platinum. It is more expensive than Gold.

Oh bother! This is now more childish than I had anticipated!

olabowale:

You want to talk about Sufi? Please go right ahead. The floor is yours. It neither profits you, nor changes your disbelief.

Hehehe. . . that is why you guys try to deceive yourselves and some errand gals are claiming on Sunnis will eneter paradise! Una do well!

olabowale:

@Stranger26: As Salaamualaykum waramatullah. It is better to ignore a people who
are from jahaliyyah. Their ignorance will definitely lead them to the fire of Hell. It is a
thing decreed. You warn them, you warn them not, it is the same. They are deaf, dumb
and blind, with heart harder than stone. The stone, if you move it, you will find that the
soil under it is wet after a  rainfall. The spirituality of these disbelievers is already dead.

Translated for better understanding:

@Stranger26: As Salaamualaykum waramatullah. It is better to ignore a people who
know what they are saying. allah will definitely lead us to the fire of Hell. It is a
thing decreed. they warn us, they warn us not, it is the same. we are deaf, dumb
and blind, with heart harder than stone. The stone, if you move it, you will find that the
soil under it is wet after a  rainfall. The spirituality of us muslims is already dead.

Una don com again


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olabowale:

@Stranger26: As Salaamualaykum waramatullah. It is better to ignore a people who
are from jahaliyyah. Their ignorance will definitely lead them to the fire of Hell. It is a
thing decreed.

Then try avoidng stranger26 and yourself, afterall you claimed that ALL will GO TO Hell, abi?

olabowale:

You warn them, you warn them not, it is the same. They are deaf, dumb and blind, with heart harder than stone. The stone, if you move it, you will find that the soil under it is wet after a  rainfall. The spirituality of these disbelievers is already dead.

Yawn!!    Whether Muhammad warned or not, he already said the Qur'an is certain to increase DISBELIEF! What do I have to do with something that increases disbelief?

Pat your fellow errand gal on the back and console each other. I may be away from the Forum for another long period (as my two jobs now demand more of my time). But when I do have a break inbetween, I'll come back and school you guys on your deceptions and open LIES.

Cherio.

@nwando,

nwando:

I am all ears.
where are combatant and lekpenne.
They are in for an edumacation
today na today

while waiting let me google sufism and begin reading up.
I want to follow right along

Brilliant idea! And they won't know where I'm coming from.

mdsocks:

Una don com again
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HAHAHAHA!! I wan collapse with laff!

davidylan:

Translated for better understanding:

@Stranger26: As Salaamualaykum waramatullah. It is better to ignore a people who
know what they are saying. allah will definitely lead us to the fire of Hell. It is a
thing decreed. they warn us, they warn us not, it is the same. we are deaf, dumb
and blind, with heart harder than stone. The stone, if you move it, you will find that the
soil under it is wet after a rainfall. The spirituality of us muslims is already dead.

You don come again to make me laugh O! I never recover before I read yours. . . hehehehe!!

pilgrim.1:


HAHAHAHA!! I wan collapse with laff!

If you like dn't only collapse, jump

I'll come back and school you guys on your deceptions and open LIES.

Why do you belive you are miss no all?

Ok, continue,


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@mdsocks,

mdsocks:

If you like dn't only collapse, jump

"Jump" - at your dry jokes? Abeg pass make serious people talk better thing!

mdsocks:

Why do you believe you are miss no all?

Uhm. . . where did I claim to be such? Abi in your village anybody who shares facts are a threat to your existence? Is that why Muslims celebrate ignorance?

mdsocks:

Ok, continue,

I hear.

mdsocks:

am still waiting fo you to post your rubbish finish

Shoosh! Your playmates are waiting for you outside. Roll along and take your dolls with you. . . lol!

So someone one from among the christian community started these so as to lool muslims into his attack position. I see that he is referrence to Muhammad (S.A.W.) has been without respect. He seemed to have been studying Islamic literature and must have also discovered that Muslims can never called Jesus or his mother Maryam without honour or disrespect. I wonder what he stand to achieve by these. So much for follwers of so called Love religion.