PLEASE Mr Maclatunji, STOP DELETING My threads!!- If u have a better case, present it so the audience decides.



"... Oh my Lord, indeed I have wronged my soul. I SUBMIT MYSELF ALONG WITH SOLOMON, TO GOD THE LORD OF THE WORLDS" Sura, 27:44.

"Submission" (ISLAM in Arabic), is the religion whereby we recognize God's absolute authority,
and reach an unshakeable conviction that God ALONE possesses all power; no other entity possesses any power that is independent of Him. The natural result of such a realization is to devote our lives and our worship absolutely to God
ALONE. This is the First Commandment in all the scriptures, including the Old Testament, the New Testament, and this Final Testament(Quran).

Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is One God! Therefore you shall adore the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. [Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Luke 12:29-30, Quran 3:18]

Let us meditate on God, His glorious attributes, who is the basis of everything in this universe as its Creator, who is fit to be worshiped as Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient and self existent conscious being, who removes all ignorance and impurities from the mind and purifies and sharpens the intellect. [Gayatri Mantra, Yajur Veda]

To associate anything or anyone with God is known as 'shirk'(Idolatry), the highest degree of blasphemy, which God does not forgive. This is made clear in chapter 4 verse 48. The Quran also stipulates that Muslims must profess faith in the One God and not call on anyone else. To profess their faith in Islam(submission) or to convert one will make this declaration: "I bear witness that there is no god except God " (Arabic transliteration: "Ash hadu anlaa ilaaha illallaah". This testimony is called the Shahadah.

Also There is another, not less important, attestation, which Muslims can recite to affirm their faith or to convert. It can be found in the Quran and to show this attestation of faith, the Prophet Abraham is an excellent example.

"Whose religion is better than one who SUBMITS himself to God, works righteousness and follows the faith Of Abraham the monotheist? God has chosen Abraham as a beloved friend". Sura, 4:125.

The next verse tells us: "When his Lord said to him "SUBMIT" he said, "I SUBMIT TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS" (Arabic: Aslamtu Li Rabbil Aalameen) Sura 2:131.

So here we have it. When God showed Abraham the perfect religion, He commanded Abraham to Submit ("Aslimu" and Abraham said "Aslamtu li rabbil aalameen". This is how MUSLIMS (or converts) should attest their faith (or to convert); This should be between one and his creator and not in the presence of anybody.

"I SUBMIT TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS"


The story of Abraham continues in the next verse: "The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons and also Jacob, "0 My sons, God has chosen for you the true faith, therefore DIE NOT SAVE AS MEN WHO HAVE SUBMITTED". Sura 2:132

Abraham enjoined his sons to believe in the same things he did. He also successfully enjoined his people to say the same thing "Aslamtu li rabbil aalameen" which means "I submit myself to the Lord of the Worlds". This is revealed in the next verse:

"Or were you present when death came to Jacob, when he said unto his sons, 'What will you worship after me?" They said, 'We shall worship thy God, the God of thy fathers Abraham, Ishmael, and Isaac, One God, and UNTO HIM WE HAVE SUBMITTED" Sura 2:133.

This is the truth about how Abraham submitted himself to God, as it was revealed to the Messenger through the Quran. And the Messenger is commanded to follow Abraham:

"And they say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be rightly guided. "Say; "No, We follow the faith of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters". Sura 2:135

"Say, 'We believe in God and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham..." Sura, 2:136.

Now it is clear that Muslims cannot attest their faith by witnessing a Messenger, especially as they cannot be seen. Witnessing on Muhammad's messengership is just the idolization of one prophet. Giving distinction to one messenger above another is strictly forbidden in the Quran as mentioned in verses 2.285 and 4.150-152.

There is no doubt that the prophet Muhammad followed the faith of Abraham.

"And we inspired you (Muhammad) to FOLLOW THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM, he who was naturally upright, he was never an idolater" Sura 16:123.

The Prophet did exactly as God commanded him. If anyone wants to become a Muslim should they then not follow the prophet Muhammad's example that affirmed his faith in the same way as Abraham?

"Those among mankind who have the best claim to Abraham are those who followed him, and this prophet, and those who believe, and God is the protecting friend of the believers". Sura, 3:68.

Say, (Muhammad) "I am forbidden to worship those whom you call besides God, since there has come to me clear proofs from God, and I AM COMMANDED TO SUBMIT TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS (wa umirtu un aslima li rabbil aalameen) Sura 40:66.

The Messenger and his companions simply submitted themselves to God:

"Say "Shall we call those things besides God, which can neither harm us nor benefit us, and shall we turn back after God has guided us - like one possessed by the devils, who has companions (sahaba!) Who invite him, saying "Come to us?" Say, 'The guidance of God is indeed true guidance and WE ARE COMMANDED TO SUBMIT TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS (wa umirna li nuslimn li rabbil aalameen)" Sura 6:71

The Quran also gives an incident of the prophet Solomon and the Queen of Sheba as another example of submission to God. It records the moment when the Queen reverts to Islam. She was an idolater and Solomon had invited her to Islam. To prove the greatness of God, Solomom used powers given to him to move the Queen of Sheba's magnificent palace intact, from one place to another in the blink of an eye.

Seeing this, she realized God's power, immediately repented and said,

"Rabbi inn salamtu nafsin, wa aslamtu ma'a Sulaimaana, lillaahi rabbiul aalameen" which means, "... Oh my Lord, indeed I have wronged my soul. I SUBMIT MYSELF ALONG WITH SOLOMON, TO GOD THE LORD OF THE WORLDS" Sura, 27:44.

To affirm their faith or to convert Muslims should use the examples given in the Quran. What they should say is "I SUBMIT MYSELF TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS". (Arabic: Aslamtu li rabbil aalameen). Others who have affirmed their faith in this way are the Prophets Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Solomon and of course the Prophet Muhammad (Sura 40:66). Also the Queen of Sheba and the companions of the Prophet did the same. If you adopt their way, you will be in good company.

In conclusion, a convert must attest his or her faith by submitting to Lord of the universe by saying; " I SUBMIT MYSELF TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS". (Arabic: Aslamtu li rabbil aalameen)", and by attesting to the truth that there is no other god but GOD by saying; "I bear witness that there is no god except God " (Arabic transliteration: "Ash hadu anlaa ilaaha illallaah".

Of course submission will not be complete unless one obeys God's every command in his Glorious book, The Holy Qur'an and by observing the duties encumbered by all Muslims (submitters) such as; Salat, Fasting, Zakat and Hajj.

" When his Lord said to him "Submit" he said
" I submit to the Lord of the Worlds"
(Quran Sura 2:131)


PEACE!!

most muslims have been fed with so many lie about islam emanating from the hadith.but i realised quran is the only guidance any muslim should seek,cos Allah has promised to guard it.
But i seriously find it hillarious why he would delete your posts,since they are all quranic.hmmmmmmm.

justaqad: most muslims have been fed with so many lie about islam emanating from the hadith.but i realised quran is the only guidance any muslim should seek,cos Allah has promised to guard it.
But i seriously find it hillarious why he would delete your posts,since they are all quranic.hmmmmmmm.

What is the need for the hadith if the Quran is perfect and complete?

Logicbwoy:

What is the need for the hadith if the Quran is perfect and complete?

the quran is indeed perfect and complete.
As stated in the holy quran.that is the reason people like usisky dont dont believe the hadith.

justaqad:
the quran is indeed perfect and complete.
As stated in the holy quran.that is the reason people like usisky dont dont believe the hadith.

Good

salam brother usisky.
I applaud your courage and conviction,but there are areas we might lockhorns.mind if we chat offline.
U can reach me on justaqad@gmail.com.
P.s its a decoy,drop ur message i will get back to you asap.

Logicbwoy:


Good

i have something really great i will like to share with you.but first of all are you the same logicboy,aka macdaddy?

justaqad:

i have something really great i will like to share with you.but first of all are you the same logicboy,aka macdaddy?

Yes. I am logicboy/macdaddy

Logicbwoy:



Yes. I am logicboy/macdaddy

remember i said i was expecting a visit from holy spirit?
I actually got a surprise visit.hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.i believe you must have been visited,cos i gave em ur address.i am gonna post it later.

justaqad:
remember i said i was expecting a visit from holy spirit?
I actually got a surprise visit.hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.i believe you must have been visited,cos i gave em ur address.i am gonna post it later.

I hope that you realise that you're sounding crazy right now

Logicbwoy:


I hope that you realise that you're sounding crazy right now

hehehhehehehehehehehehehe.

usisky: PLEASE Mr Maclatunji, STOP DELETING My threads!!- If u have a better case, present it so the audience decides.



"... Oh my Lord, indeed I have wronged my soul. I SUBMIT MYSELF ALONG WITH SOLOMON, TO GOD THE LORD OF THE WORLDS" Sura, 27:44.

"Submission" (ISLAM in Arabic), is the religion whereby we recognize God's absolute authority,
and reach an unshakeable conviction that God ALONE possesses all power; no other entity possesses any power that is independent of Him. The natural result of such a realization is to devote our lives and our worship absolutely to God
ALONE. This is the First Commandment in all the scriptures, including the Old Testament, the New Testament, and this Final Testament(Quran).

Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is One God! Therefore you shall adore the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. [Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Luke 12:29-30, Quran 3:18]

Let us meditate on God, His glorious attributes, who is the basis of everything in this universe as its Creator, who is fit to be worshiped as Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient and self existent conscious being, who removes all ignorance and impurities from the mind and purifies and sharpens the intellect. [Gayatri Mantra, Yajur Veda]

To associate anything or anyone with God is known as 'shirk'(Idolatry), the highest degree of blasphemy, which God does not forgive. This is made clear in chapter 4 verse 48. The Quran also stipulates that Muslims must profess faith in the One God and not call on anyone else. To profess their faith in Islam(submission) or to convert one will make this declaration: "I bear witness that there is no god except God " (Arabic transliteration: "Ash hadu anlaa ilaaha illallaah". This testimony is called the Shahadah.

Also There is another, not less important, attestation, which Muslims can recite to affirm their faith or to convert. It can be found in the Quran and to show this attestation of faith, the Prophet Abraham is an excellent example.

"Whose religion is better than one who SUBMITS himself to God, works righteousness and follows the faith Of Abraham the monotheist? God has chosen Abraham as a beloved friend". Sura, 4:125.

The next verse tells us: "When his Lord said to him "SUBMIT" he said, "I SUBMIT TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS" (Arabic: Aslamtu Li Rabbil Aalameen) Sura 2:131.

So here we have it. When God showed Abraham the perfect religion, He commanded Abraham to Submit ("Aslimu" and Abraham said "Aslamtu li rabbil aalameen". This is how MUSLIMS (or converts) should attest their faith (or to convert); This should be between one and his creator and not in the presence of anybody.

"I SUBMIT TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS"


The story of Abraham continues in the next verse: "The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons and also Jacob, "0 My sons, God has chosen for you the true faith, therefore DIE NOT SAVE AS MEN WHO HAVE SUBMITTED". Sura 2:132

Abraham enjoined his sons to believe in the same things he did. He also successfully enjoined his people to say the same thing "Aslamtu li rabbil aalameen" which means "I submit myself to the Lord of the Worlds". This is revealed in the next verse:

"Or were you present when death came to Jacob, when he said unto his sons, 'What will you worship after me?" They said, 'We shall worship thy God, the God of thy fathers Abraham, Ishmael, and Isaac, One God, and UNTO HIM WE HAVE SUBMITTED" Sura 2:133.

This is the truth about how Abraham submitted himself to God, as it was revealed to the Messenger through the Quran. And the Messenger is commanded to follow Abraham:

"And they say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be rightly guided. "Say; "No, We follow the faith of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters". Sura 2:135

"Say, 'We believe in God and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham..." Sura, 2:136.

Now it is clear that Muslims cannot attest their faith by witnessing a Messenger, especially as they cannot be seen. Witnessing on Muhammad's messengership is just the idolization of one prophet. Giving distinction to one messenger above another is strictly forbidden in the Quran as mentioned in verses 2.285 and 4.150-152.

There is no doubt that the prophet Muhammad followed the faith of Abraham.

"And we inspired you (Muhammad) to FOLLOW THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM, he who was naturally upright, he was never an idolater" Sura 16:123.

The Prophet did exactly as God commanded him. If anyone wants to become a Muslim should they then not follow the prophet Muhammad's example that affirmed his faith in the same way as Abraham?

"Those among mankind who have the best claim to Abraham are those who followed him, and this prophet, and those who believe, and God is the protecting friend of the believers". Sura, 3:68.

Say, (Muhammad) "I am forbidden to worship those whom you call besides God, since there has come to me clear proofs from God, and I AM COMMANDED TO SUBMIT TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS (wa umirtu un aslima li rabbil aalameen) Sura 40:66.

The Messenger and his companions simply submitted themselves to God:

"Say "Shall we call those things besides God, which can neither harm us nor benefit us, and shall we turn back after God has guided us - like one possessed by the devils, who has companions (sahaba!) Who invite him, saying "Come to us?" Say, 'The guidance of God is indeed true guidance and WE ARE COMMANDED TO SUBMIT TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS (wa umirna li nuslimn li rabbil aalameen)" Sura 6:71

The Quran also gives an incident of the prophet Solomon and the Queen of Sheba as another example of submission to God. It records the moment when the Queen reverts to Islam. She was an idolater and Solomon had invited her to Islam. To prove the greatness of God, Solomom used powers given to him to move the Queen of Sheba's magnificent palace intact, from one place to another in the blink of an eye.

Seeing this, she realized God's power, immediately repented and said,

"Rabbi inn salamtu nafsin, wa aslamtu ma'a Sulaimaana, lillaahi rabbiul aalameen" which means, "... Oh my Lord, indeed I have wronged my soul. I SUBMIT MYSELF ALONG WITH SOLOMON, TO GOD THE LORD OF THE WORLDS" Sura, 27:44.

To affirm their faith or to convert Muslims should use the examples given in the Quran. What they should say is "I SUBMIT MYSELF TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS". (Arabic: Aslamtu li rabbil aalameen). Others who have affirmed their faith in this way are the Prophets Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Solomon and of course the Prophet Muhammad (Sura 40:66). Also the Queen of Sheba and the companions of the Prophet did the same. If you adopt their way, you will be in good company.

In conclusion, a convert must attest his or her faith by submitting to Lord of the universe by saying; " I SUBMIT MYSELF TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS". (Arabic: Aslamtu li rabbil aalameen)", and by attesting to the truth that there is no other god but GOD by saying; "I bear witness that there is no god except God " (Arabic transliteration: "Ash hadu anlaa ilaaha illallaah".

Of course submission will not be complete unless one obeys God's every command in his Glorious book, The Holy Qur'an and by observing the duties encumbered by all Muslims (submitters) such as; Salat, Fasting, Zakat and Hajj.

" When his Lord said to him "Submit" he said
" I submit to the Lord of the Worlds"
(Quran Sura 2:131)


PEACE!!

@Usisky

you are quoting from the bible-i.e. in the article you posted.is the bible more reliable than hadith books? if a Muslim should only read,understand,follow and quote the Quran and all other religious litrature can "electrocute" and should be avoided,why did you quote the bible? isn't that a contradiction coming from a follower of the "submitter" sect which opposes other literature than the Quran alone and establishes its existence and presence by trying to be different from other Muslims who use the hadiths in accord with the Quran for details? your article even quotes from the Veda (a hindu religious text).please explain,i am lost in this one.

please,kindly be straight and direct with your answer.i am fasting and i lack the patience to read very long essays.

@Lagosshia
firstly, i do apologize and i hope u dnt thnk i've got a cocky attitude....didn't mean to.

my observations:
1) u never challenged d real subject of the post. Instead, u resorted to ad hominem. Do u agree with d op? If not..state ur reason(s) Y.
2)U gave conditions as to how i must respond ur querry. I cldn't keep to dat,hence ma disinclination to respond.

if u had clearly read d op, u would comprehend ma reasons for quoting those texts. Is der any post i have ever made here dat suggests dat i use d Gospels or d Vedas as sources of religious guidance in par with d quran? Re-read d op again and again if u must. Pls no hating, just trying my best to convey d true quranic message free of all illogicalities and superstitions deviced by ignorant clergymen. PEACE & sorry for not responding ealier.

usisky: @Lagosshia
firstly, i do apologize and i hope u dnt thnk i've got a cocky attitude....didn't mean to.

my observations:
1) u never challenged d real subject of the post. Instead, u resorted to ad hominem. Do u agree with d op? If not..state ur reason(s) Y.
2)U gave conditions as to how i must respond ur querry. I cldn't keep to dat,hence ma disinclination to respond.

if u had clearly read d op, u would comprehend ma reasons for quoting those texts. Is der any post i have ever made here dat suggests dat i use d Gospels or d Vedas as sources of religious guidance in par with d quran? Re-read d op again and again if u must. Pls no hating, just trying my best to convey d true quranic message free of all illogicalities and superstitions deviced by ignorant clergymen. PEACE & sorry for not responding ealier.

please i do not want to bring that thread into this.answer my question there and let us take it from there.

^^I'm referring to dis thread. Was responding to ur last comment.

usisky: @Lagosshia
firstly, i do apologize and i hope u dnt thnk i've got a cocky attitude....didn't mean to.

my observations:
1) u never challenged d real subject of the post. Instead, u resorted to ad hominem. Do u agree with d op? If not..state ur reason(s) Y.
2)U gave conditions as to how i must respond ur querry. I cldn't keep to dat,hence ma disinclination to respond.

there is no Muslim who has a problem with submitting his will to Allah or being Muslim.

that is just a pretext or pretense you use to launch your sect and force Muslims to cast a veil over their eyes not to examine any other text or literature under the excuse of following the Quran only.i wonder how examining other texts is sinful.i also wonder if there is anything in Islam that asks a Muslims to avoid reading anything or seeking knowledge.

if u had clearly read d op, u would comprehend ma reasons for quoting those texts.

please tell us the reasons.

Is der any post i have ever made here dat suggests dat i use d Gospels or d Vedas as sources of religious guidance in par with d quran?

Re-read d op again and again if u must. Pls no hating, just trying my best to convey d true quranic message free of all illogicalities and superstitions deviced by ignorant clergymen. PEACE & sorry for not responding ealier.

is there anywhere a Muslim uses the hadith books as sources of guidance in par with the Holy Quran?

just as you're using other texts that compliment the Quran,that is how the hadith texts can be used.i would disagree with any hadith that contradicts the Holy Quran.but you have a phobia for all hadiths.i think there is a deep conspiracy behind this.your sect which was founded in america is aimed at disarming the Muslims from their past.

@lagoshia.
Wat is d point of hadiths dat are in congruence with d quranic teachings if d quran already conveys d message? Der are many literatures, even fictional materials dat are in agreement with d quranic teachings, does dat make dem word of God? I will revive an old thread, u must answer line by line d arguments in d op if u are sure of urslf. Peace!

Ps: how did u arrive at d idea dat i do not study d hadith? If i didn't study dem, how den do u think i arrived at ma conclusions about it?

also, can u please refer to complete compilation of d ones u believe are Authentic? Pls!

usisky: @lagoshia.
Wat is d point of hadiths dat are in congruence with d quranic teachings if d quran already conveys d message? Der are many literatures, even fictional materials dat are in agreement with d quranic teachings, does dat make dem word of God? I will revive an old thread, u must answer line by line d arguments in d op if u are sure of urslf. Peace!

what is the point in quoting christian and hindu scriptures? that is exactly the point.you have not given me your reasons.besides,the Quran in many places speaks in principles and parables.details from the hadiths only add value as details and nothing more.even if the material is fictional,if it serves in conveying a moral lesson and helps the Muslim in understanding the Quran,then there is nothing wrong.children are taught fictional stories to build honesty and understanding in them.so what?

i do not seriously have time to talk something that has no historical dispute and nothing ideological.it is only a matter of time before your "submitter" cult "made in USA" disappears.there is no need to stress much.

^^^^I really doubt ur analytical capacity mr shia! Y did i quote d bible& veda? Well to emphasize a point. D point bn dat we could still make out frm ds texts dat d true message in dem is total devotion to God alone without setting-up partners wit Him. Read d op again! of course we cld learn frm oda sources, ain't notng wrong in dat. But Wen one concocts a lie and attribute dem to God and d messenger, den dats entirely a dffrnt issue.

If u do not realize, hadith is d reason u do not follow d quran no more. It's d reason u believe all d superstitions in d world: Mahdi, dajjal, infallible imams and all kinds of bizzare ideas.

remember d prophesy: 25:30- d messenger wil complain about d desertion of quran on d day of jdgmnt after he's bn informed. Dnt u wonder y he would't care abt his so called sunnah and hadith? How ironic mr shia!

Mr shia. Enjoy d rest of ur ramadan. Ain't got d energy. PEACE!

PS: pls study d quran from cover to cover- no "Tafseers" just trust God He'll make it clear insha'allah.

^

you're talking nonsense and im just shocked you can believe the nonsense you're following.

prove me wrong you're not talking nonsense and tell me what the following verses mean.if you cannot,please open your eyes:

Quran 5:55,5:70,and 4:59.

usisky: ^^^^I really doubt ur analytical capacity mr shia! Y did i quote d bible& veda? Well to emphasize a point. D point bn dat we could still make out frm ds texts dat d true message in dem is total devotion to God alone without setting-up partners wit Him. Read d op again! of course we cld learn frm oda sources, ain't notng wrong in dat. But Wen one concocts a lie and attribute dem to God and d messenger, den dats entirely a dffrnt issue.

If u do not realize, hadith is d reason u do not follow d quran no more. It's d reason u believe all d superstitions in d world: Mahdi, dajjal, infallible imams and all kinds of bizzare ideas.

remember d prophesy: 25:30- d messenger wil complain about d desertion of quran on d day of jdgmnt after he's bn informed. Dnt u wonder y he would't care abt his so called sunnah and hadith? How ironic mr shia!

Mr shia. Enjoy d rest of ur ramadan. Ain't got d energy. PEACE!

PS: pls study d quran from cover to cover- no "Tafseers" just trust God He'll make it clear insha'allah.

No tafseer? Then, you would be very ignorant indeed for virtually every verse of the Qur'an has historical significance and context attached to it.

Usisky,finds it okay to make reference to the bible and Hindu Veda but a sin to make reference to hadiths,many of which are true and compliment the holy Quran.this is simply a case of rejecting knowledge while Islam promotes seeking knowledge.instead of seeking knowledge by finding the truth,he is rejecting everything,both true and untrue.this is not an innocent move.it is a calculated move by whoever supported Rashad Khalifa (it could be the CIA) to make his "Quran only" sect to lead Muslims to a state where they give up their heritage.in other words it is the first step in detroying Islam after leading the Muslims astray and into a lost state leading to dissatisfaction and confusion.ofcourse the Quran is detailed,and it explains itself.but how many of us have the ability like the people of Quraysh in whose dialect the Quran was revealed to understand the Quran without the help of any tool or tafsir which is based on hadiths?

bright007: I have read so many things about islam.But one thing dat really interests me and is motivating me to consider becoming å muslim is d idea of 72 virgins being giving to men.but have never heard any gift for d female folks.Does this mean allah is stingy or wat?I need somebody to tell me wat will be given to females by allah in heaven?I don't wanna blow-up myself and at d end of d day not gain anything.

Too bad, there is no such thing as 72 virgins in Islam... Non muslims are the ones telling us about that... No one even does proper research to find out truth... And killing yourself is also forbidden..

Free translated copy of the Quran for you
http://asadullahali.files./2010/09/the_quran.pdf

Thank me later