So, the other day, I made the argument that some pillars of Islam were going to be difficult for some people- poor people. One of the points I raised was that a poor/starving man can not fast (Sawm). Clearly, it was pointed out to me that there are exceptions to fasting if you do not have such good health in body/mind to fast. https://www.nairaland.com/972770/islam-really-poor-people


However, another exception has come up. Malaysian Islamic and Olympic officials have ruled that the Olympic athletes can postpone their fast.


www.nairaland.com/attachments/764732_islam_olympics_pnge4df5da65277bd25aa84eb6071916c79
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1215389/1/.html



Of course! Athletes need food/water for the energy that they are going to burn during the sporting activities. The last time that the Olympics were held during Ramadan was in 1980.


My argument as a globalist is that some practices become ridiculous when carried out on a global scale or when different states/communities from around the world come together as a result of globalisation. We should realise that the olympics is of Greek pagan origin. Funny how many people do not see it as Haraam.

fasting is an obligatory part of Islam for those who can observe the fast.it is not obligatory to take part in olympics.and if i am the head of state of a muslim country,i will make sure i do not participate.the OIC is made up of 52 or 53 muslim countries.if that number of countries pull out of the olympics because of the fast,next time around the IOC would make sure the olympics does not coincide with the fast if they really are interested in making it a global funfare.

besides,if in the case of malaysia they rule their atheletes not to fast,on particular days of their competition,then that it between them and God to decide.

i do not even know what is the point you are trying to prove here.you do not make sense.

the only part in your post that merits a reply is the last sentence.you said the olympics is pagan origin,why dont muslims see it as haram.whether it is pagan or not,as far as in the olympics muslims are participating there is nothing they do that involves worship,then there is no harm.otherwise,i could say computer was invented by a non-muslim,so i am not allowed to use it.that is ridiculous.

LagosShia: fasting is an obligatory part of Islam for those who can observe the fast.it is not obligatory to take part in olympics.and if i am the head of state of a muslim country,i will make sure i do not participate.the OIC is made up of 52 or 53 muslim countries.if that number of countries pull out of the olympics because of the fast,next time around the IOC would make sure the olympics does not coincide with the fast if they really are interested in making it a global funfare.

besides,if in the case of malaysia they rule their atheletes not to fast,on particular days of their competition,then that it between them and God to decide.

i do not even know what is the point you are trying to prove here.you do not make sense.

the only part in your post that merits a reply is the last sentence.you said the olympics is pagan origin,why dont muslims see it as haram.whether it is pagan or not,as far as in the olympics muslims are participating there is nothing they do that involves worship,then there is no harm.otherwise,i could say computer was invented by a non-muslim,so i am not allowed to use it.that is ridiculous.

This is why religious people can be dangerous in politics or power. Malaysia has a lot of Asians and citizens that arent muslim but you will ban the olympic games participation if it falls on ramadan so that your fellow muslims can fast. Must a muslim fast if the muslim doesnt want to fast but play sports? Must LagosShia's religion come before everyone?

This should be a thread discussion the issue of fasting and muslim athletes in sport

Logicbwoy:
This is why religious people can be dangerous in politics or power. Malaysia has a lot of Asians and citizens that arent muslim but you will ban the olympic games participation if it falls on ramadan so that your fellow muslims can fast. Must a muslim fast if the muslim doesnt want to fast but play sports? Must LagosShia's religion come before everyone?

talking with someone who thinks there is no God is futile.

were we both not talking about Muslims who fast during the olympics? so who is talking about whether Muslims want to fast or not?

besides,we are talking here of atheletes in the olympics representing Muslim countries and not themselves individually.

This should be a thread discussion the issue of fasting and muslim athletes in sport

this is a non-issue.

you should be happy i am replying.

LagosShia:

talking with someone who thinks there is no God is futile.

were we both not talking about Muslims who fast during the olympics? so who is talking about whether Muslims want to fast or not?

besides,we are talking here of atheletes in the olympics representing Muslim countries and not themselves individually.



this is a non-issue.

you should be happy i am replying.

1)You wanted to ban participation in the Olympic games in a country that has Bhuddists, Muslims, Christians etc just because you want fasting to be observed. Are you not sick in the head or a fanatic?

2) The question is how one can fast and take part in strenuous sports

Logicbwoy:
1)You wanted to ban participation in the Olympic games in a country that has Bhuddists, Muslims, Christians etc just because you want fasting to be observed. Are you not sick in the head or a fanatic?

where did i say that? i said if i am the head of state of a muslim country.a muslim country!

2) The question is how one can fast and take part in strenuous sports

you either endure and you fast, or decide not to fast or not to take part in sport.

i have a recommendation for you because you really look like someone with much time to expend online and on trivial arguments.this is a muslim only section and the number of muslims visiting and participating are not many.you can register in the below forum.it is a muslim forum and it has a Philosophy, Atheism/Theism & Other Interfaith Dialogue section.it is a suggestion so that you can meet your expectation in getting your answers:

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/forum/6-philosophy-atheismtheism-other-interfaith-dialogue/

LagosShia:
where did i say that? i said if i am the head of state of a muslim country.a muslim country!

What muslim country in todays world doesnt have a percentage of non-muslims or even muslims who are athletes? You want to make life miserable for them?

LagosShia:
you either endure and you fast, or decide not to fast or not to take part in sport.

i have a recommendation for you because you really look like someone with much time to expend online and on trivial arguments.this is a muslim only section and the number of muslims visiting and participating are not many.you can register in the below forum.it is a muslim forum and it has a Philosophy, Atheism/Theism & Other Interfaith Dialogue section.it is a suggestion so that you can meet your expectation in getting your answers:

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/forum/6-philosophy-atheismtheism-other-interfaith-dialogue/

Shia chat? You must be joking!


As for the options, it is almost impossible not to eat or drink before engaging in energetic sports. So fasting is only a hindrance.

Logicbwoy:

What muslim country in todays world doesnt have a percentage of non-muslims or even muslims who are athletes? You want to make life miserable for them?

oh,so it is the life of muslims that should be miserable,abi?

Shia chat? You must be joking!

why? is it that you can't display nonsense there?

As for the options, it is almost impossible not to eat or drink before engaging in energetic sports. So fasting is only a hindrance.

so fasting is hindrance and not sport that is hindrance to fasting.it is all about priority.and as a muslim fasting is more of a priority to me.so leave the muslim athletes to decide for themselves.your olympics is not going to make them stop being muslims.

LagosShia:

oh,so it is the life of muslims that should be miserable,abi?

Huh? The Olympics is there. No one is forcing any muslim to go or not to go. There are non-muslim that can represent their country in the olympics.

You on the other hand, would love to make life miserable for muslims who dont want to fast and non-muslims who want to go for olympics as fasting is not necessary for them.

LagosShia:
why? is it that you can't display nonsense there?

Forget Shia chat.

LagosShia:
so fasting is hindrance and not sport that is hindrance to fasting.it is all about priority.and as a muslim fasting is more of a priority to me.so leave the muslim athletes to decide for themselves.your olympics is not going to make them stop being muslims.

Agreed. The decision is for the ahtletes but your Mullahs, Sheiks and Islamic officials always want to meddle in people's affairs. Alhamdulilah that common sense worked in Malaysia!

Logicbwoy:

Huh? The Olympics is there. No one is forcing any muslim to go or not to go. There are non-muslim that can represent their country in the olympics.

You on the other hand, would love to make life miserable for muslims who dont want to fast and non-muslims who want to go for olympics as fasting is not necessary for them.

yes fasting is not necessary for them and they can go if they want.but a normal human being knows that a muslim country is represented by the majority of atheletes who are muslims.

Agreed. The decision is for the ahtletes but your Mullahs, Sheiks and Islamic officials always want to meddle in people's affairs. Alhamdulilah that common sense worked in Malaysia!

if those athletes do not care about their faith,the religious authorities would not bother.did you ever hear an Islamic scholar talking about whether catholic footballers should fast or not during lent?

LagosShia:
yes fasting is not necessary for them and they can go if they want.but a normal human being knows that a muslim country is represented by the majority of atheletes who are muslims.

unfortunately, you are right

LagosShia:
if those athletes do not care about their faith,the religious authorities would not bother.did you ever hear an Islamic scholar talking about whether catholic footballers should fast or not during lent?

lol....I was a catholic for 22 years. Fasting during lent has been revised to being voluntary before I was even born. Fasting could be stopping to smoke cigars for lent or not eating sweet things. The pace and duration is dependent on the catholic alone.


Sport is a religion. Christians go to church on sundays. British people go to stadiums on Sundays to watch football/rugby

Logicbwoy:

unfortunately, you are right

lol....I was a catholic for 22 years. Fasting during lent has been revised to being voluntary before I was even born. Fasting could be stopping to smoke cigars for lent or not eating sweet things. The pace and duration is dependent on the catholic alone.


Sport is a religion. Christians go to church on sundays. British people go to stadiums on Sundays to watch football/rugby

it is not my business whether lent is voluntary or not.my point is if the ahtletes are not muslim who care about their beliefs,Islamic scholars do not interfere with how others practice they religion.they interfere when Muslims want to know how to practice.

LagosShia:

it is not my business whether lent is voluntary or not.my point is if the ahtletes are not muslim who care about their beliefs,Islamic scholars do not interfere with how others practice they religion.they interfere when Muslims want to know how to practice.

No problem but I pity liberal muslims in such countries

Logicbwoy:
No problem but I pity liberal muslims in such countries

lol.

so now you want to discuss another topic:liberal muslims!!!

does being a "liberal muslim" mean one should not pray,fast or practice religion? there is nothing like liberal Muslims.you are either a muslim or you are not.you are either following Islam or you're not.you're either doing the right thing or you're not.if being liberal means not to fast,then you are not following Islam.likewise,killing people and becoming an "extremist muslim" is against Islam,so you're not following Islam.

we are talking here about Muslim athletes fasting during the olympics.

LagosShia:

lol.

so now you want to discuss another topic:liberal muslims!!!

does being a "liberal muslim" mean one should not pray,fast or practice religion? there is nothing like liberal Muslims.you are either a muslim or you are not.you are either following Islam or you're not.you're either doing the right thing or you're not.if being liberal means not to fast,then you are not following Islam.likewise,killing people and becoming an "extremist muslim" is against Islam,so you're not following Islam.

we are talking here about Muslim athletes fasting during the olympics.

No, I just thought about the muslims that drink beer and dont care about fasting. Not everybody is religious.

Logicbwoy:

No, I just thought about the muslims that drink beer and dont care about fasting. Not everybody is religious.

did you open this thread about people that fast? yes.are people that fast religious? yes.

stop acting confused.