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What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 11:18am On Sep 13, 2023 |
IT IS WRITTEN " FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR , THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN. " if you ask most people [believers] the question " what is faith? " the sentence up there is probably the answer most of them would give to you. but i tell you ; i have discovered that though many know that scripture yet they dont understand what it says . and this has brought about the quarels that many people have with God. the scripture says faith is "the substance of things hoped for -meaning faith represent the substance of what you hope to receive from God .in a spiritual form ,or in the form of gods word -since faith comes from the word . god doesnt give physical things directly but gives us spiritual substances which materialise into physical things through works . so faith represent the substance of whta you are expecting to receive from god ,so if you say you have faith then you are saying you have received what you are hoping to receive even though you have not seen it physically. the scripture also says " faith is the evidence of things not seen.' meaning - the steps or actions you take to make the spiritual things you believe you have received manifest physically . [it is your responsibility to make the spiritual things that god has given to manifest physical ; and the steps you take are actually your faith which is describe as evidence of things not seen -meaning : the assurance that god gives you or the assurance that you have from god that you already have what you have not seen . and the fact that you have assurance is proven by works .-the evidence that you show to demonstrate that you are truly sure that you have what you cant see yet. but one of the greatest the problems of man is the lack of faith in spiritual things. he wants to see physically before he believes he has received , he wants to hear audibly before he believes god has spoken , he wants to receive physically before he could express gratitude . this is the way of all natural men . they are lead only by what they see .they judge by the physical. but the gifts of god are spiritual , god gives spiritual things, man transform the spiritual things god has already given in the spirit into physical things by faith. so ; a person who expresses gratitude for only physical things can not be grateful or thankful for what god has given in the spirit because he can never see them physical while they are yet spiritual . therefore how can one be grateful for what god has already given spiritually but yet you have'nt seen physically ? . it is by faith ! so if a non-spiritual man should see god face to face to face ,and desires to recieve something from God ; this is how their dialogue would be he would say- " give me--------- ho lord!" god would answer- " i have given already ." the non-spiritual man would say- " where is it ? " god would answer-" in the spirit ." man would say-" but i can see it ,feel it ." the spiritual god would say- "yeah! because you are not a spirit, nor are you in the spirit ." the carnal man would aks- " then of what profit is it to me then i cant have it physically ?" the spirit would answer- " you can have it physically if you work in faith . ' [if meant conditional] the natural man would ask the giver of spiritual things - " what is faith ? " he would answer " faith is the substance of things hoped for . it is been greateful to me for the spiritual things that i have given to you even though you havent seen them physicaly ." it is so faith is [like], thanking god for what you have not seeen physically ,because you believe he has given it spiritually. thanking god for what you have not received physically , because you believe he has given it spiritually. showing gratitude for what you have not touch physicaly because you believe that even though you havent felt or experienced that thing physically ,god has already given it to you spiritually . and because you believe that you have received spiritually ,though you havent recieve physically ,you take steps and act as one who has recieved physically ,because spiritual thing manifest by physical actions ; or produces physical results by physical actions . that is why the bible says faith without work [action] is dead . so faith doesnt have its own life ,but is given expression by work . just as the flesh doesnt have its own life but finds expression through the spirit . your faith cant move you you are the one to move your faith . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 7:23pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
there is a simplicity in faith that makes it hard for a natural man to posses it |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 10:04pm On Sep 16, 2023 |
WHEN OUR FAITH IS UNDER TRIAL THEN IS THE DIFFICULTIES REVEALED |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by Iamanoited: 5:13am On Sep 17, 2023 |
DO NOT BITE THE FINGERS THAT FEED YOU. SUCH IS FAITH. |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:24am On Sep 17, 2023 |
Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1 The above verse simply means FAITH is what you will see in the action of those having it but you can't grasp the concept if you're not as faithful as them! The Christians in the first century believe in the government of a promised King who will be anointed by God to solve the problem of mankind this King is the one all their prophets has been talking about right from Moses till Malachi. So when this promised King finally arrived in their midst most Jews were expecting him to solve all their problems immediately but he made it clear to them that much is expected of them before they can get all the blessings God promised their patriarch father Abraham. 99% of Jews in the first century failed to put faith in this promised King but few ones believe him and began acting on the instructions he gave them by going to preach and teach in all their neighbourhood including far away nations just as he ordered them! Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8 So the preaching and teaching about this government (Kingdom) is what they were doing actively back then that made observers in Antioch to start calling them "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26 Therefore if anyone has nothing to do with this movement and their activities such a person is not a Christian that's why one of the pioneers of this faith said "FAITH without works is DEAD" {James 2:18-26} because it's by observing the works faithful people are doing that others around them can perceive that they are up to something even though they can't see what the faithfuls have in mind! Hebrews 11:1 God bless you and may you have PEACE! ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 12:17pm On Sep 17, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: peace to you also . going by the dedfination you gave up there - faith is not a movement though movement may have faith . faith is not a movement but a process . your jehovah witness organisation is not faith but an organisation that holds beliefs in certain ideas or philosophies . your walking in this ideas is now classified as faith. atheists disbelieves in god doesnt mean they dont have believes but rather it means they believe that god doesnt exist . so there is a believe in whatsoever a man holds in is heart as truth ; wether it originated from a suppose deity or from the man himself . walking in his belives is therefore his faith . for faith is the exercise of a beliefe. only that the faith of a carnal man is not on spiritual things but on physical things . many atheist where not there when the so-called bing bang happened and yet they belived it to be truth . that is their faith |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 1:17pm On Sep 17, 2023 |
the subject of faith is an important one that we has christians should not trivialise |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:25pm On Sep 17, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995: It's OK! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 8:28am On Sep 18, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:its all about helping each other understand the issues of life better without doing so with a sentimental heart or prejudice. |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 8:44am On Sep 18, 2023 |
Iamanoited:ANOTHER DEFINATION FROM PHILOSOPHY |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:26am On Sep 18, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995:If so then there's no need of FAITH. |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 9:32am On Sep 18, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:THERE IS A NEED FOR FAITH IN ALL WE DO , ONLY THAT OUR FAITH MAY DIFFER ACCORDING TO OUR BELIEFS |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:36am On Sep 18, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995: I thought you mentioned FAITH in the topic but it's. Thanks. We are searching for FAITHFUL people to form a global family of peace loving worshipers. Bye! ![]() |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 9:50am On Sep 18, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:I THINK THAT'S POSITIVE! BUT ONLY WHAT'S BUILD BY CHRIST ALONE WILL LAST. CHRIST IS NOT BUILDING A HUMANLY INSPIRED ORGANISATION BUT HIS OWN BODY MADE OF THE FAITHFUL AND TRUE. 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:49pm On Sep 18, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995: So how can you build such faith without the assignment Jesus gave his disciples? Matthew 28:19-20 Who are those doing the WORK today? Guy, without identifying those doing this work and associating with them you're faithless! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 7:49pm On Sep 18, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:so you are trying to say 'faith is :identifying with an organisation ,and associating with such organisation ;and thereby contradicting yourself ? is it not written that "faith comes by hearing ,and hearing the word of god ? is that not what is written even in your own version of the bible ? so are you telling me your own personal thoughts or what your scripture says ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:07pm On Sep 18, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995: So JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES organization are the people that PREACHED to me. Now what is the name of the organization that preached to you? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:56am On Sep 19, 2023 |
You rightly quoted Paul when he said: "So faith follows the thing heard. In turn, what is heard is through the word about Christ". Romans 10:17 Before saying this Paul said: "However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!” Romans 10:14-15 So i ask you again: what is the name of that group sent to PREACH to you so that you now claim you have the same kind of FAITH Paul is talking about? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by achorladey: 7:35am On Sep 19, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995: Na proper liar and manipulator of the scriptures the one you are in conversation with. He will manipulate and lie towards marketing his religious organization that cannot be supported in the scriptures. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by achorladey: 7:36am On Sep 19, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Liar and manipulator, in content and context show him the name of that group in Romans 10 and stick to Romans 10. Don't divert into your lies and manipulations ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 6:50pm On Sep 19, 2023 |
achorladey: the deception is too much ,so much that it will take the grace of god for anyone to come out from among them into light. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 6:56pm On Sep 19, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: an organisation[religiously speaking] can only be a channel through which god reaches out to people ;they dont have the power to save people themselves. how shall they call on him whom they have not heard ;how shall they hear without a preacher ;how shall they preach unless they are sent ? so it is faith in god that saves a person not faith in an organisation . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:22pm On Sep 19, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995: So all those that perished during Noah's time none of them have faith in God shey? Continue deceiving yourself, only those with God's ORGANIZATION will be saved just as it occurred in the days of Noah, in Sodom and Gomorrah, in Jericho and Amalek whoever is not with God's ORGANIZED people will perish! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:09pm On Sep 19, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995: Deception is when you think you're on the same page with people whose line of thought regarding judgement negates yours! ![]() According to the Bible God has destroyed many generations of faithless miscreants who thought they are OK in their own thinking but they never took note of what God's ORGANIZED people are doing. For instance in Noah's day the only means of salvation was the Ark in which the ORGANIZED worshipers of the true God assembled. During the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah it's wherever Lot goes with those in his company that's the means of salvation. In Egypt when all firstborn were killed only those with God's ORGANIZED people were saved. In Jericho Rahab knew that whoever is not on the same page with God's ORGANIZED people will perish and so it happened. During the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 BCE whoever is not with God's ORGANIZED people will perish by the swords of Babylonians. During the destruction of Jerusalem in 66 CE only those with God's ORGANIZED people were saved. So if you're thinking God will save some in Deeperlife, Synagogues, Christ Embassy, C & S, Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, Apostolic Church, Apostolic Faith, C.A.C., Redeem, M.F.M., Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist, Lord's Chosen, Foursquare and so on whereas all these religions contradicts themselves in the teachings that has to do with salvation then you're deceiving yourself big time. Jesus Christ has just one group and it's one out of all these different religions claiming Christians therefore if you want to be saved all you need to do is figure out which of all these groups is doing God's will as His ORGANIZED people! Matthew 7:16-18 ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by achorladey: 10:28pm On Sep 19, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995: Simple! The problem is in the land or realm of Jehovah's Witnesses, Organization = God. Anyone that leaves that organisation, all members are to see that individual as leaving God. They have a publication titled "Return to Jehovah". It is meant specifically for those that are no longer members of the organisation and used to encourage them to return back to the organisation. Any member they know who leaves the organisation will always be told to return to Jehovah. No matter how devoted to God and clean lives they are aware such person his living. They don't care. All that matters is once you are no longer a member, you are no longer with God. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The reason you see members shun those who leave the organisation. |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by achorladey: 10:38pm On Sep 19, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: We know you can peddle lies and manipulations and even lie and manipulate your beliefs and doctrines to peddle your insanities and madness here on nairaland. Compare and contrast. Number 1 So if you're thinking God will save some in Deeperlife, Synagogues, Christ Embassy, C & S, Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, Apostolic Church, Apostolic Faith, C.A.C., Redeem, M.F.M., Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist, Lord's Chosen, Foursquare and so on whereas all these religions contradicts themselves in the teachings that has to do with salvation then you're deceiving yourself big time. Number 1: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Feel That They Are the Only People Who Will Be Saved? Number 2: Jesus Christ has just one group and it's one out of all these different religions claiming Christians therefore if you want to be saved all you need to do is figure out which of all these groups is doing God's will as His ORGANIZED people Number 2:. John 5:22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man. The last time I checked MaxInDHouse cannot pull the Sandals of the the feet of the person described by John ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by achorladey: 10:53pm On Sep 19, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995: Those who perfect his own faith are his GODS aka the organization aka the 9 religious leaders leading that organisation he belongs. Despite the fact he knows they are not inspired and error filled in doctrine and organisation direction, He will gladly worship them than heed the scriptures below as captured in their NWT..... As we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Not that we are the masters over your faith, but we are fellow workers for your joy, for it is by your faith that you are standing. However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being handed over into custody, looking to the faith that was about to be revealed. So the Law became our guardian leading to Christ, so that we might be declared righteous through faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a guardian. You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus. Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise. The liar and manipulator still needs to exercise faith in a religious organization that came into existence +/-150 years ago to to be saved and sees the 9 men leading his religious organization has masters over his faith. The reason he worship them day and night all over nairaland stating people should look for a group whose leaders are not inspired and error filled. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 11:41am On Sep 20, 2023 |
achorladey: true talk sir . thank you for this enlightment . |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:17pm On Sep 20, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995: We practice exactly what our brothers in the first century taught and deed! Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them. Romans 16:17 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 1:10-11 Jesus commanded his disciples to treat anyone who refused to stick to the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} just as Jews treat tax collectors in the first century! Matthew 18:15-19 Your friend is one of them that's why i keep AVOIDING him! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by achorladey: 3:04pm On Sep 20, 2023 |
HISSCRIBE1995: Appreciate your understanding. That's why MaxInDHouse will run from pillar to post to market his religious organization. The indoctrination is that anything outside of his religious organization is bad. To be good, live good and do God's will, their formula is simple, that person must be a Jehovah’s witness. When you tell any Jehovah’s witnesses coming to your house to study Bible with you categorically that you will never become a Jehovah’s witness but they are free to keep coming for Bible study. The Jehovah’s witnesses will stop coming. They count it as a waste of time. That basically tells you why you see him always saying..... Jesus Christ has just one group and it's one out of all these different religions claiming Christians He has to put claiming before Christians as a means to denigrate and undermine the faithful works of others to Jesus Christ and raise his own religious organization as the only Christians in the world. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by achorladey: 3:24pm On Sep 20, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Liar and the manipulator knows I decided to keep you where you belong. The realms of insanities and madness peddling all over nairaland. You know all what I sent to him is indeed true about the mode of operations of your religious organization the reason you try to undermine my post and denigrate it then decided to attack me by mentioning him over what he said concerning what I posted ![]() ![]() ![]() Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them. Romans 16:17 The above is not a personal Bible verse to your religious organization set up by men +/- 150 years ![]() ![]() ![]() You are the one creating divisions here and stumbling others instead of directing them to Jesus Christ who will perfect their faith, you were busy marketing one religious denomination above others and putting their faith in men who are errors prone and filled in doctrines and organisation direction. You are always jumping from thread to thread of all other religious organization marketing your lies and manipulation s ![]() ![]() If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. John was talking about teachings like........... 1. Jesus died for only 144,000 2. Only 144,000 goes to heaven 3. Christians have two hopes 4. Jesus returned in 1914 5. Jesus Christ selected your religious organization in 1919 6. That last day began in 1914 7. That only 9 people are faithful and discreet slave of Jesus Christ. Matthew 24:44-45 8. That you have to be in a religious organisation called and associated with Watchtower to be saved. 9. That faith is a possession of a your religious organization only ![]() ![]() 10. That your religious organization have the exclusive right to separate wheats from weeds ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Jesus commanded his disciples to treat anyone who refused to stick to the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} just as Jews treat tax collectors in the first century! Matthew 18:15-19 The liar and manipulator knows he and the members of his religious organization don't have one line of thought ![]() ![]() You categorically stated here that anyone that can defend his God like Jehovah’s witnesses is a Jehovah’s witness. Yet you will not see call the Muslims Jehovah’s witnesses ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: What Is Faith ? : A Dialogue Between Man And God by HISSCRIBE1995: 8:59pm On Sep 21, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: who were these your brothers if i may ask ? is it from the bible that you learned to shun ,and change a gospel music for worldly songs just because the former is'nt sang by someone from your own congregation or organisation? even though you claim to be preaching about christ yet you stand against whatever preaches about him so long it is not coming from your quarters . the bible says "love not the world neither the things of the world which are : the lust of the flesh , the lust of the eyes ,and the pride of life . but yet you go for things that promote these lusts and ignored what promotes jesus christ with biblical grounds ? and you claim to be witnessing for a jehovah whose honour you despise because it was not given in your name . jesus said " whoever is not against us is with us ,and therefore can not speak evil of me ." but you chose to fight those who are not against your jehovah ,and take side with those who do those things that are contrary to his ways and your are not ashamed to say you are witnessing for him. the spirit of sentiment ,deception,and delusion is among you but it will only take the grace of jehovah for you to come to the place where your spiritual senses will be enightened to discern jesus christ from an imposter of jesus christ. 1 Like |
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