vedaxcool:
Once again Assad aided by the it's allies Russia and Iran murder civilians in the most horrible and despicable manner available.

Empiree:
Lord have mercy. These people are really evil.

Inside mosque Shuhada

Empiree:
If i said something now you gonna say i am hypocrite trying to look for fault. Are you happy now bcuz this was allegedly carried out by Assad people?. And besides, Syria thing was not subject of discussion here lately. I just don't understand how you managed to derail.

See, problem i have with this type of report is bcuz of sources. I already read your post before i got to work this morning. Upon getting to work i watched on MSNBC confirming your post. Same on the internet's BBC, CNN etc. All these pro western media outlets have always have ulterior motives. This is why i have long developed phobia about them. If they could lie over the yrs about big and small events, how do you expect me to believe them all the time?. For as long as they refuse to tell us the truth about Iraq invasion and similar events, i will never take them serious.

Now, if they are sincere, why all of sudden they all came out screaming Assad's chemical attack today while they mute on NATO attack on muslims in the masjid?




This is why i don't believe anything coming out of them. This is real hypocrisy. Yourself turned blind eye when i posted incident in the masjid up there few days ago only to come out today to propagate media trash. But dont get it twisted. I am not gonna deny or confirm whether Assad deliberately killed these civilians or not. What is clear however is that he attacked the last stronghold of the rebels who caused this problems to begin with. Didn't Western invasion of Iraq did worse than that and why are they screaming about Assad now?. They even blew up masajid in Iraq back then and stumped their foot with boots in the masajid. So i dont really see what you are trying to prove

Empiree:
Where is reference for this hadith you quoted?. I have been searching but cant find where Iraq is mentioned. All those narration i found mentioned Najd. And can you please provide Arabic text bcuz it seems to me this is fraud. I am waiting, sir.

vedaxcool:
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Are you sure you are well? So I should not post anything on any subject because you, Assad bootlicker wants to discuss something else? Did I tag you in my post? May your guilty conscience continue to disturb you till your decency is awoken.In this section outside you and the other cursed being who calls Assad a devil but supports and defend him, no one defends murderers and killers. No one defends any senseless war but you. But you continue to glorify his murder shamelessly and try hard to obfuscate and divert attention from what he is doing but your feeble attempts shall continue to fail and Allah shall avenge every single innocent soul destroyed by Assad and his allies and all those who deliberately murdered the innocents.

Empiree:
You mind them. The hadith he quoted up there seems to be edited version of najd. Pro-Saudi scholars probably inserted Iraq in the narration. I will wait for him to provide reference and also arabic text where iraq is mentioned in the hadith. Besides, you are very correct bcuz at that time there were no borders.

Take a look at these maps. They are trying to brainwash us and change the history.

Demmzy15:
I gave you series of references back, but you ignored it. I can't repeat, so do yourself a favour by going back to see it yourself. By the way, I'll answer your request by providing you with a screenshot of the Arabic text.

Demmzy15:
I don't

Al-Mujjam Awasaat Tibraani, Hadith-4230
Musnad-e-Bazzar,Abu-Bakr Bazzar Pg.292
Musnad Abdullah-bin-Umar Trososa pg.273
Silsilah Sahiha of Shaikh Al-Bani, Hadith number: 2246
Hilya-Awliya of Abu-Nu'aym pg.1/144
Haythami - Source: Zawaa'id - Page or number:3/308
Mundhiri in At-Tarqeeb wa-Tarhib - Page or number: 2/214
Tareekh Baghdad of Khatib al-Baghdadi 1:321
Tareekh Damishiq of Ibn-Asakir pg.571!

Demmzy15:

[url=http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/169-Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2041.%20Turmoil%20And%20Portents%20Of%20The%20Last%20Hour/15354-sahih-muslim-book-041-hadith-number-6943.html]Source[/url]

I believe this is a bone breaker, you're stubborn man but I hope you'll accept this. This is from a man that narrated it specifically from the Prophet and interpreted it to be Iraaq, so why beat yourself over it? Or Is Ibn Umar now a "Wahhabi"?!

vedaxcool:
Sadly the Assad regime is using chemical weapons repeatedly even in Idlib

Empiree:
I'm suspicions of specific mentioning of Iraq in the Hadith translation by Google used in the website.

I am not aware of ancient name of modern Iraq to be called Iraq back then. But these ahadith quoted by those people mentioned Iraq specifically.

That's suspicious. It says "how about our iraqina".

The famous Hadith I know of has always been "our najd". Never heard of "our iraqina". This is suspicious. The English version mentioned Iraq by name. Google translates to iraqina or Iraq to Arabic. I suspect fraud. This is really strange to me. Najd is what ahadith always mentioned. I have never seen or heard the Hadith mentioned Iraq by name. There must be ancient name for Iraq back then. Even Iranians were known as Persians. This is just one of the many reasons I criticized Hadith on eletronic editable platforms.

AbdelKabir:


[s]Except if you can't read Arabic iraaq is clearly spelt there...[/s]

[s]You really have to leave Sufi madness and gain real and beneficial knowledge![/s] People have been bearing "al-iraaqiy" in the time of the sahabas, like a hadeeth about Aisha and one particular person that had "al-iraaqiy as part of his names, what's the meaning of " al-iraaqiy"? Someone that is from iraaq, so iraaq was not called iraaq why did people call themselves iraaqis?? Point is iraaq has always been iraaq...

Stop depending on google translate! And learn Arabic...... What is "our iraaqina?" What's the need for "na" after you've used "our" again? Lemme translate what you've written "our our Iraq"....and what's suspicious there? The hadeeth mentions" our Syria ", " our sham" and so on, so why should "our iraaq" be suspicious?? Are they not all locations?

It shows you never listened to what shaykh Albaani said in the video you yourself brought, he clearly mentioned this hadeeth you.said is strange to you, you were just looking for where he talked about Saudi, instead of you to calm down and listen to his proofs you claimed ' he stubbornly views najd to be iraaq', now the hadeeth he mentioned that specified iraaq has been mentioned to you, your system is destroyed, the only thing you can reslove to is " I suspect ".......

Empiree:





What's sufi gotta do with this?. You said people have been using iraqiy since time of Sahaba. Well, this is hadith attributed to nabi. So i am talking about nabi. Get your insecurity nonsense elsewhere.

My point is hadith known to us in this regard is NAJD mentioned not Iraq by name. I am seeing this version for the first time.

No buddy, this is not first time i read hadith of najd(where it specifically mentioned najd). Thats what i have read in the past but i am seeing hadith mentioned iraq for the first time. My question is, is this another version of the hadith?. Clearly we have two versions


1st version I know very well:


Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: [i](The Prophet) said, “O Allah! Bless our Sham and our yemen.” People said, “Our Najd as well.” The Prophet again said, “O Allah! Bless our Sham and yemen.” They said again, “Our Najd as well.” On that the Prophet said, “There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the horn of Satan.”[i/] (Book #17, Hadith #147, Bukhari



2nd version by the same Ibn Umar:


Ibn Umar reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “O Allah, bless us in our Syria. O Allah, bless us in our Yemen.” He repeated it and on the third or fourth time, they said, “O Messenger of Allah, and in our Iraq.” The Prophet said, “Verily, from there will appear upheavals and tribulations and from there will rise the horn of Satan."


So you see what i am talking about?

And i didnt say i used google to translate. The website made google translate available on their website and ofcourse, the arabic of the second version mentioned Iraq. But there is arabic version of Najd as well. If we found stuff like this in Christian Bible we called it DISCREPANCY. Why don't you guys admit the same here?

Sir, this is called fraud. Someone did something. Did people asked nabi(saw) "Our Najd" or "Our Iraq"?. This is not about hatred for anyone. This is for educational purposes. No knowledge is to be belittled mister Kabir. I am curious why you people hold on to hadith that mentioned Iraq and not the former?. Sounds suspicious to me. So see the two arabic versions?. What do you say if you see stuff like this in christianity?. We called it interpolation. Take it or leave it. Unless you wanna accuse the people for speaking from both sides of their mouth or you wanna interpret it which you are not known for. First version is what i know. So if people of Arabia were asking nabi(saw) "our najd", were they referring to several miles away or najd in their backyard?. Tell me something.

AbdelKabir:


If I say sahabah, is the generation of the sahabah not the generation of the prophet as well?? Do you think with your brain at all? That clear hadeeth already mentioned "iraaq" meaning, the name "iraaq" existed in the time of the prophet, except you can bring something tangible we cannot accept your "I suspect"/ nonsense...
Known to you, because you know what you know want to know. People have long known this hadeeth even in the time of the tabi'i, so because it's only one version you know, doesn't mean when.another comes, it becomes a " fraud" unless if.you can go through academic process to show us we can't accept the hadeeth...
What happened to your popular mantra that we shouldn't use " lazy man approach " and taking one hadeeth in isolation? Now two hadeeth are brought, one mentioned najd, and the other helps us to interpret najd to mean iraaq, what's the fraud in that?? You can't just claim fraud, show us why can't accept the other hadeeth...Okay there is another hadeeth from ibn Abbas this time around that mentioned the same thing that was narrated in ibn umar hadeeth, the version that is giving you headache now....is that one a fraud too?

We have different versions of salaatul ibrahimiyyah....are we going to say because of slight differences then there is a fraud somewhere?

Your thinking ehn...no intelligence in it at all...

Where is Najd – HORN of SATAN?[b][/b]


Evidence #1

The hadeeth of ibn Umar reported by Abu Nu’aym in “Hiliya tul Awliya” of Abu Nu’aym al-Isfihani, 6/133.

The hadith has two particular narrators in it’s Sanad:

1) Abdullah bin Jaami’i al-Halwaani – He is a Mujhool (unknown) narrator.
2) Tawba bin Kisaan – He is thiqa but also considered weak according to some Muhaditheen.

So, due these two narrators this hadith is actually weak.



Evidence #2

The hadeeth of Jabir reported in Sunnan Ibn Majah (English) Vol. 1, Book 25, Hadith # 2915, Dar us Salam Publishers (Riyadh Najd) Saudi Arabia]

This hadith containts Ibrahim bin Yazeed who is “MATROOK” “DA’EEF” “MUNKAR UL HADITH” and not to forget Imam Bukhari (rah) himself used the wording “Sakatu ‘anhu” regarding him which proves him to be a worst kind of narrator.

So, this hadith is not authentic.


Evidence #3
The hadeeth of ibn Umar reported in “Mu’jam al Awsat” by at-Tabaraanee.

The chain contains:

1. Ali bin Sa’eed bin Basheer.
2. Ziyad bin Biyan.
They both have weakness and/or are not approved. Hence a chain from them will become weak.


Evidence #4
The hadith in “Musnad Ahmed” which appears to have an authentic chain. The hadith comes via route of “Handhalah. In this hadeeth Ibn Numayr narrates directly from Handhalah whereas in Sahih Muslim Ibn Numayr narrates this hadith from Ishaq bin Suliman first and then Handhalah and that authentic hadith in Sahih Muslim does not contain the word “IRAQ” but instead uses the word “EAST” (see Sahib Muslim #6942). This same Handhalah is yet again a narrator in another hadeeth chain, and this hadeeth also contains the word “EAST” (see “Akhbar al Makkah” by Al-Fakihi, hadeeth #1123). So it is proven from this same Handhalah that he actually narrated the word “EAST’. Also, this hadeeth appears to be mistranslated as referring to east due to the words “Ya’umul Iraq”. However, “Yushero bi Yaddihi Ya’umul Iraq” does not necessarily mean that “he showed Iraq with his hand”. The literal word by word translation could be: “pointed (yushero) with (bi) his hand (yaddihi) “LEADING TOWARDS (YA’UMUL)” Iraq. The word “Ya’umul” proves that pointing was towards a generally eastern direction and not Iraq itself. So, the possible meaning is: “LEADING TOWARDS” Iraq, not Iraq itself.



Evidence #5

Sahih Muslim, book 41, hadeeth #6943.

The fact that Muslim narrated that Salim ibn `Abd Allah ibn `Umar applied this hadith to the people of Iraq does not limit its meaning to them. Let’s say for example that an evil starts out with it’s roots in Najd (modern day Saudi Arabia) but then spreads to other places, like Iraq or Egypt. The root cause of the evil Fitnah will still remain in the territory of Najd even if this fitnah will emerge from different places. It stands proven from the Prophet (p) that no matter where this email emerges from, it will still be condemned. However, the hadeeth seems to imply that the people of Iraq were simply being warned of the evil horn of Satan that would emerge in Najd (modern day Saudi Arabia), so that they would also not fall into this evil. Allah knows best.

Empiree:
Nice try bro but i guess you gonna have to try harder. Once again this is not about hating Saudi. There have been disputes over the location of Najd for donkey years. One thing comes to mind however, when Nabi(saw) asked Allah blessings for Sham and Yemen, he mentioned these places by name and we know locations of these two places without question or interpretation. But why is it that when he(saw) mentioned Najd is horn of shaytan and people started talking about "elevated area" to refer to Iraq. Why dont they stick to the name, Najd literally to mean a location in Saudi Arabia as seen on the map?. Why did all or most of the salafis interpreted Najd


A comment reads:

A Simple lesson in geography and one would know rivers dont flow up through elevated land. Iraq area has two rivers that flow through it and surrounded by desert there is no elevated land in Iraq like its in Saudi Arabia the real Najd. Central part of Saudi Arabia and Northern part of Saudi Arabia is all elevated from the surrounding desert, and....

Most of them that give lecture studied directly or indirectly in Saudi. So i dont expect them to easily agree to Najd in Saudi Arabia. This is uncomfortable truth. As for the word "Iraq" in the hadith, i have to admit that Iraq had been use pre-sixth century according t my recent research. But then, i came across this argument explaining "Iraq" in the hadith.

https://rasoolurrahmah./2014/12/06/where-is-najd-horn-of-satan/

Demmzy15:
@Em.piree, the picture you brought earlier is known as "Baloot" not a Casino. It has always been played by inhabitants of Saudi Arabia (especially Hijaz) even before the establishment of Saudi Arabia when the region was under the control of the Ottomans. The government only made it official as a competition to reward the first four winners, it is not gambling as the competitors didn't place a bet or register with money or the likes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloot https://www.geo.tv/latest/189735-first-ever-cards-tournament-kicks-off-in-saudi-arabia

Demmzy15:
^^^ See finishing abeg, in years to come "Remember how we shut you up in the Najd thread". Everybody can see now o!!! He never thought there was a narration with "Iraaq", as soon as he saw it he began to bring all sort of unintelligent excuses. He requested for Arabic as if he's an expert of the language, when brought he used Google Translate even me with my weak Arabic knows that "our Iraaqina" is a blunder. Seriously bro, it is finished.

Empiree:
I know you are exceedingly happy now. You read my posts days ago but your are confused until you did your research right?. I am sure you didn't know anything about ballot until now. Anyways, that aside. I can see to many double standard with those people. I'm someone who doesn't play any type of games like these: chess, cards etc. However, I have seen ulama here play chess and I was surprised to see that until I see a brother who taught me it is not Haram but I still don't understand why it is not even if money is not involved.

Now, go and read Saudi ulama if the past like sheikh bin Baz(ra) and others considered chess, cards etc Haram. Don't take my word for it. Do your research please.

Matter of fact, I'm learning of this names you called ballot for the first time here. I'm just wondering if other Muslim countries do this even if the game was around for 100yrs won't make it halal. They have double standards which confirms the issue of najd as well.

Do yourself a favor by reading these reports in the attachments from different salafi scholars. Baloot is cards and read your famous website attachment careful said it is Haram even if money is not involved.

Apart from that there seems to be Hadith which harams it anyways but I'm not in no position to determine authenticity. From pictures I posted said money is involved and winner is award cash. I hope your read it?.

Besides, I did a little research after passing the pictures. The Grand mufti said he doesn't know how to play it but he allowed it according to what I read few days ago. I will post that if I can find it again.

Empiree:
So you can't even assume "our iraqina" was mistake or mistyped and make make excuse for your brother rather than dwell on irrelevancy?. At the time I was reading the text I could be thinking off as well bcuz iraqina was quoted, our Iraq was also quoted. Sometimes our thoughts are faster than our pen until we proofread and make corrections. I usually don't proofread here since this platform is not considered formal to me. So I don't get why you are so happy over this little blunder .

So help yourself with confusions with Haram and halal of playing cards above. I don't play none of it

Demmzy15:

Ok o, no vex. You and your holy attitude, can you beat your chest and say you don't do/support anything that is haram directly or indirectly?

vedaxcool:
Once again Assad aided by the it's allies Russia and Iran murder civilians in the most horrible and despicable manner available.

Please share below video: This is a video of western backed "rebels" (terrorists) in Syria TEACHING children how to ACT for a mock chemical attack which would be used by the media to blame the Assad government.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1763925076979962&id=522976657741483

Empiree:


Legalizing Haram by making it halal is kufr.

AlBaqir:


US has promised to help Saudi revive all her wahabi conservative books. Don't worry, whatever that is used to be haram will become Halal and vice versa. Welcome to the New Saudi America.

AlBaqir:


US has promised to help Saudi revive all her wahabi conservative books. Don't worry, whatever that is used to be haram will become Halal and vice versa. Welcome to the New Saudi America.

AlBaqir:


I meant REVIEW @underline

Empiree:
Were there Sahaba in Iraq in the time of nabi(saw) when sahaba in Medina asked "Najdina"?. This is really another line of debate to watch out for. I dont think Iraq was islamic at the time

AlBaqir:


The hadiths those guys are quoting are weak hadiths. The one kabiru prided so much in has been faulted

AlBaqir:


Empiree, that of Kabiru is apparently authentic based on its sanad. The matn is what is suspected.