Honesty, you guys have greatly underestimated the reaction of those that studied Igbo culture and know you inside out. It could have been better to keep your mouth shut instead of trying to fabricate a false sense of gratification with nonsense.

All these just because you wanted to compete with Yoruba and Bini.

Benin taught Yoruba a lesson. If you ignore them and let them build castles on the sand, when it collapses on their heads, Yoruba will have to take them to Babalawo for care.

BabaRamota and TAO1, E ku ise o!

googi:
Honesty, you guys have greatly underestimated the reaction of those that studied Igbo culture and know you inside out. It could have been better to keep your mouth shut instead of trying to fabricate a false sense of gratification with nonsense.

All these just because you wanted to compete with Yoruba and Bini.

Benin taught Yoruba a lesson. If you ignore them and let them build castles on the sand, when it collapses on their heads, Yoruba will have to take them to Babalawo for care.

BabaRamota and TAO1, E ku ise o!

Who is this leper ?

Bkayyy:

Listen very well, Arọ was never from Congo or whatever, Arọ Chukwu was founded by the descendants of Oké Nnachi and Eze Agwụ coupled with the remnants Ibibio after the Arọ - Ibibio war. As for kings, Igbo enwe Eze simply means that the Igbos as a whole never had a single representative in the name of King, most Igbo clans practice what you will call Republican way of rule through "ụmụ Nna" (which is more advanced than kingship and kingdoms). But few Igbo clans have kings, an example is in Ana Edo clan where one of the towns in it known as Nnewi were being led by the Obi of Otolo, who will go by the title "the Igwe of Nnewi". It is important to note that both Obi and Igwe are titles in Igboland, Obi means the leader of a clan while Igwe is the fourth stage of ọzọ title in ancient Nri which was previously reserved for the Eze nri. The full name of the title is "Igwekala".
So my brother from the yoruba side. Don't vomit lies about the Igbos based on the assumption that Igbos are not interested in history. There are many Igbos that knows all these things I said here but choose not to argue with ignorant people.

Igbo enwe Eze!
Aro was a confederacy of immigrants from congo.

BabaRamota1980:


Igbo enwe Eze!
Aro was a confederacy of immigrants from congo.

says a Yoruba man.
Mr, no matter how many times you repeat your nonsense it can't be turn to something useful. I wonder when Igbo started asking for Yorubas help in ascertaining their history.
You are neither an Igbo nor related to the Igbos. You are neither from Arochukwu nor Ibibio.

BabaRamota1980:


Igbo enwe Eze!
Aro was a confederacy of immigrants from congo.

Well, I just saw your despicable thread about Ndigbo and your hateful comments there.
https://www.nairaland.com/6077790/nothing-wrong-igbo-stooge-north
And I've come to understand the kind of hateful and miserable fellow you are, so I don't see any need in trying to educate you but just know this "you can't wish an ethnicity to oblivion". You'll only get hypertension on Igbos matter.

TAO11:

(1) The account states that the Ogané’s kingdom was twenty moons' journey away from Benin.

(2) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a small piece of shiny brass cross as an indication of his approval.

(3) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a piece of brass helmet as an indication of his approval.
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Will you now demonstrate with scholarly evidence how Nri kingdom checks the above-listed boxes in relation to Benin kingdom??

The people of Nri are waiting desperately for your specific replies to each of those backed by scholarly evidence.

cc: BabaRamota1980

I don't believe you even raised the first question, especially after you had already determined that Ife is 19 moons away.

Just by mere looking at the position and distance of any of the core Nri towns, and comparing that against the position and the distance of Ife, it is clear you have no point.

On a straight line, Ife to Benin, is slightly a little longer than Nri to Benin. What does that tell you, vis-a-vis the calculation you made for Ife, in which you came up with a figure of 19 moons?

1, Ife is to the northwest of Benin while Nri is to the EAST OF BENIN (Nri's direction matches the records of early Portuguese)
2. Ife is about 19 moons away from Benin, while Nri is also approximately 19 moons away from Benin, according to your calculations for Ife (both Ife and Nri are near enough to the distance/time noted by the early Portuguese)

So from the above, the score is 2 - 1 in favour of Nri

However in my estimation, these journeys were not straight-forward, so one had to know the towns they stop over to rest and stay in. What this means is that it requires a little bit more sophisticated mathematics to determine. One will need knowledge of the towns they stop over in, the knowledge of Pythagoras theorem, sine, cosine and tangent rules. And to determine the curves in the journey, one needs an appreciable knowledge of calculus.

In my estimation, if a more exact science is applied, it may extend the trip to Nri to a little over 20 moons, while the journey to Ife, will then take about 21 moons

So basically the OGHENE n'NRI (NSHI) resided and still resides in a kingdom to the EAST OF BENIN, and is APPROXIMATELY 20 MOONS JOURNEY away.

The OGHENE n'UHE resided and still resides in a kingdom to the NORTHWEST OF BENIN, and is APPROXIMATELY 20 MOONS JOURNEY away.

NRI gets it.


Now getting to the other points you raised which I am sure you brought up just to throw up some dust so that people will miss the point, which is that the kingdom to the EAST OF BENIN remains NRI.

First of all, I noticed you did not mention the staff that the Eze Nri also issued to the past Obas. Well, we refer to it as OFO or OVO or OWHO. Nice to know that the Portuguese explorers noted that. Even up till today, a very few number of Igbo monarchs still collect their OFO from Nri. That is about the only major thing that is given, as Nri is no longer as sovereign as it once was, and as such is totally dependent on the paltry allowance the governments provide, and he receives about the same amount as any meaningless warrant chief in Anambra, so with that in mind, it will be difficult for the Nris to go all out to bestow more regal paraphernalia on deserving monarchs.

Head piece is not necessarily worn on the head. The first two picture attachments prove this point.
The head pieces that both the Attah of Igala and Ezenri of Oraeri wear are made of BRASS, and could be said to be shaped like SPANISH HELMETS of that period. In Nri, the head piece is called NWATA ONA. Now, whether it was placed on the head, or have always been worn around the neck, we will never know unless more evidence emerges, but for the moment, let us assume it was always worn around the neck, or maybe the Benin monarch wore his on his head.

THE ASSIGNMENT I WILL GIVE YOU IS THIS: Find a picture of the Oba of Benin wearing a piece of brass helmet on his head, and a cross around his neck, and I will show you a picture of a brass helmet and a cross, the ancient Eze Nris issued the ancient Obas.

It's very clear that the ancient Eze Nris most probably gave these brass masks to rulers under the Nri sphere of influence, which obviously included the OBA of BENIN. Haven't you noticed that NWATA ONA looks suspiciously like the FESTAC official mask?
So basically, the Nris still crept into the mainstream African arts extravaganza, without the powers that be, knowing about it.

It is officially known that Oraeri kingdom predates the Ife, Igala and Benin kingdom by many centuries, so the NWATA ONA worn by the monarch of Oraeri was definitely not copied from any of these other kingdoms, and as a matter of fact, bronze/brass casting was practiced in Igboland centuries before Yorubas and Benin got into the practice..

It will be interesting to find out when the Eze Nri of Agukwu-Nri stopped issuing some of these royal items, which includes the head piece and the cross item to these traditional rulers.

Lest I forget, take a look at the last picture of the Oraeri regent. You will notice a bit of scarification on his forehead. So don't think that the white chalk applied to the face of a Benin oba being crowned, signifies Yoruba scarification. The Nris also had that practice only that our scarification works were so professionally executed. Much better than the Yoruba tiger claw marks.

If you need more anthropological and historical evidence of the Nri cultural, spiritual and political overlordship over Benin, then I suggest you read this passage from the Portuguese explorers/historian one more time.

"Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

“In the year 1510 A.D Certain ambassadors of the king of Benin came to this kingdom, among whom was a man about seventy years of age who was wearing one of these CROSSES. I asked him the reason and he gave me an explanation similar to the above."

OfoIgbo:


I don't believe you even raised the first question, especially after you had already determined that Ife is 19 moons away.

Just by mere looking at the position and distance of any of the core Nri towns, and comparing that against the position and the distance of Ife, it is clear you have no point.

On a straight line, Ife to Benin, is slightly a little longer than Nri to Benin. What does that tell you, vis-a-vis the calculation you made for Ife, in which you came up with a figure of 19 moons?

1, Ife is to the northwest of Benin while Nri is to the EAST OF BENIN (Nri's direction matches the records of early Portuguese)
2. Ife is about 19 moons away from Benin, while Nri is also approximately 19 moons away from Benin, according to your calculations for Ife (both Ife and Nri are near enough to the distance/time noted by the early Portuguese)

So from the above, the score is 2 - 1 in favour of Nri

However in my estimation, these journeys were not straight-forward, so one had to know the towns they stop over to rest and stay in. What this means is that it requires a little bit more sophisticated mathematics to determine. One will need knowledge of the towns they stop over in, the knowledge of Pythagoras theorem, sine, cosine and tangent rules. And to determine the curves in the journey, one needs an appreciable knowledge of calculus.

In my estimation, if a more exact science is applied, it may extend the trip to Nri to a little over 20 moons, while the journey to Ife, will then take about 21 moons

So basically the OGHENE n'NRI (NSHI) resided and still resides in a kingdom to the EAST OF BENIN, and is APPROXIMATELY 20 MOONS JOURNEY away.

The OGHENE n'UHE resided and still resides in a kingdom to the NORTHWEST OF BENIN, and is APPROXIMATELY 20 MOONS JOURNEY away.

NRI gets it.


Now getting to the other points you raised which I am sure you brought up just to throw up some dust so that people will miss the point, which is that the kingdom to the EAST OF BENIN remains NRI.

First of all, I noticed you did not mention the staff that the Eze Nri also issued to the past Obas. Well, we refer to it as OFO or OVO or OWHO. Nice to know that the Portuguese explorers noted that. Even up till today, a very few number of Igbo monarchs still collect their OFO from Nri. That is about the only major thing that is given, as Nri is no longer as sovereign as it once was, and as such is totally dependent on the paltry allowance the governments provide, and he receives about the same amount as any meaningless warrant chief in Anambra, so with that in mind, it will be difficult for the Nris to go all out to bestow more regal paraphernalia on deserving monarchs.

Head piece is not necessarily worn on the head. The first two picture attachments prove this point.
The head pieces that both the Attah of Igala and Ezenri of Oraeri wear are made of BRASS, and could be said to be shaped like SPANISH HELMETS of that period. In Nri, the head piece is called NWATA ONA. Now, whether it was placed on the head, or have always been worn around the neck, we will never know unless more evidence emerges, but for the moment, let us assume it was always worn around the neck, or maybe the Benin monarch wore his on his head.

THE ASSIGNMENT I WILL GIVE YOU IS THIS: Find a picture of the Oba of Benin wearing a piece of brass helmet on his head, and a cross around his neck, and I will show you a picture of a brass helmet and a cross, the ancient Eze Nris issued the ancient Obas.

It's very clear that the ancient Eze Nris most probably gave these brass masks to rulers under the Nri sphere of influence, which obviously included the OBA of BENIN. Haven't you noticed that NWATA ONA looks suspiciously like the FESTAC official mask?
So basically, the Nris still crept into the mainstream African arts extravaganza, without the powers that be, knowing about it.

It is officially known that Oraeri kingdom predates the Ife, Igala and Benin kingdom by many centuries, so the NWATA ONA worn by the monarch of Oraeri was definitely not copied from any of these other kingdoms, and as a matter of fact, bronze/brass casting was practiced in Igboland centuries before Yorubas and Benin got into the practice..

It will be interesting to find out when the Eze Nri of Agukwu-Nri stopped issuing some of these royal items, which includes the head piece and the cross item to these traditional rulers.

Lest I forget, take a look at the last picture of the Oraeri regent. You will notice a bit of scarification on his forehead. So don't think that the white chalk applied to the face of a Benin oba being crowned, signifies Yoruba scarification. The Nris also had that practice only that our scarification works were so professionally executed. Much better than the Yoruba tiger claw marks.

If you need more anthropological and historical evidence of the Nri cultural, spiritual and political overlordship over Benin, then I suggest you read this passage from the Portuguese explorers/historian one more time.

"Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

“In the year 1510 A.D Certain ambassadors of the king of Benin came to this kingdom, among whom was a man about seventy years of age who was wearing one of these CROSSES. I asked him the reason and he gave me an explanation similar to the above."

What is a moon in the context it was used in that exchange between Benin and Portuguese?

OfoIgbo:


I don't believe you even raised the first question, especially after you had already determined that Ife is 19 moons away.

Just by mere looking at the position and distance of any of the core Nri towns, and comparing that against the position and the distance of Ife, it is clear you have no point.

On a straight line, Ife to Benin, is slightly a little longer than Nri to Benin. What does that tell you, vis-a-vis the calculation you made for Ife, in which you came up with a figure of 19 moons?

1, Ife is to the northwest of Benin while Nri is to the EAST OF BENIN (Nri's direction matches the records of early Portuguese)
2. Ife is about 19 moons away from Benin, while Nri is also approximately 19 moons away from Benin, according to your calculations for Ife (both Ife and Nri are near enough to the distance/time noted by the early Portuguese)

So from the above, the score is 2 - 1 in favour of Nri

However in my estimation, these journeys were not straight-forward, so one had to know the towns they stop over to rest and stay in. What this means is that it requires a little bit more sophisticated mathematics to determine. One will need knowledge of the towns they stop over in, the knowledge of Pythagoras theorem, sine, cosine and tangent rules. And to determine the curves in the journey, one needs an appreciable knowledge of calculus.

In my estimation, if a more exact science is applied, it may extend the trip to Nri to a little over 20 moons, while the journey to Ife, will then take about 21 moons

So basically the OGHENE n'NRI (NSHI) resided and still resides in a kingdom to the EAST OF BENIN, and is APPROXIMATELY 20 MOONS JOURNEY away.

The OGHENE n'UHE resided and still resides in a kingdom to the NORTHWEST OF BENIN, and is APPROXIMATELY 20 MOONS JOURNEY away.

NRI gets it.


Now getting to the other points you raised which I am sure you brought up just to throw up some dust so that people will miss the point, which is that the kingdom to the EAST OF BENIN remains NRI.

First of all, I noticed you did not mention the staff that the Eze Nri also issued to the past Obas. Well, we refer to it as OFO or OVO or OWHO. Nice to know that the Portuguese explorers noted that. Even up till today, a very few number of Igbo monarchs still collect their OFO from Nri. That is about the only major thing that is given, as Nri is no longer as sovereign as it once was, and as such is totally dependent on the paltry allowance the governments provide, and he receives about the same amount as any meaningless warrant chief in Anambra, so with that in mind, it will be difficult for the Nris to go all out to bestow more regal paraphernalia on deserving monarchs.

Head piece is not necessarily worn on the head. The first two picture attachments prove this point.
The head pieces that both the Attah of Igala and Ezenri of Oraeri wear are made of BRASS, and could be said to be shaped like SPANISH HELMETS of that period. In Nri, the head piece is called NWATA ONA. Now, whether it was placed on the head, or have always been worn around the neck, we will never know unless more evidence emerges, but for the moment, let us assume it was always worn around the neck, or maybe the Benin monarch wore his on his head.

THE ASSIGNMENT I WILL GIVE YOU IS THIS: Find a picture of the Oba of Benin wearing a piece of brass helmet on his head, and a cross around his neck, and I will show you a picture of a brass helmet and a cross, the ancient Eze Nris issued the ancient Obas.

It's very clear that the ancient Eze Nris most probably gave these brass masks to rulers under the Nri sphere of influence, which obviously included the OBA of BENIN. Haven't you noticed that NWATA ONA looks suspiciously like the FESTAC official mask?
So basically, the Nris still crept into the mainstream African arts extravaganza, without the powers that be, knowing about it.

It is officially known that Oraeri kingdom predates the Ife, Igala and Benin kingdom by many centuries, so the NWATA ONA worn by the monarch of Oraeri was definitely not copied from any of these other kingdoms, and as a matter of fact, bronze/brass casting was practiced in Igboland centuries before Yorubas and Benin got into the practice..

It will be interesting to find out when the Eze Nri of Agukwu-Nri stopped issuing some of these royal items, which includes the head piece and the cross item to these traditional rulers.

Lest I forget, take a look at the last picture of the Oraeri regent. You will notice a bit of scarification on his forehead. So don't think that the white chalk applied to the face of a Benin oba being crowned, signifies Yoruba scarification. The Nris also had that practice only that our scarification works were so professionally executed. Much better than the Yoruba tiger claw marks.

If you need more anthropological and historical evidence of the Nri cultural, spiritual and political overlordship over Benin, then I suggest you read this passage from the Portuguese explorers/historian one more time.

"Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

“In the year 1510 A.D Certain ambassadors of the king of Benin came to this kingdom, among whom was a man about seventy years of age who was wearing one of these CROSSES. I asked him the reason and he gave me an explanation similar to the above."

You’re a brutal liar who is obviously chocking from his own insecurities and inferiority complex.

(1) (i) First of all, Nri is nowhere close to 19 or 20 moons’ journey from Bini by any stretch of the imagination.

Show us your computation, you insecure fatuous liar.

(ii) Ife, on the other hand, came to OVER 19 moons’ journey (based on the median of the three-variable-data I obtained from C.J. Okojie’s ”Ishan Native Laws and Customs”). I shared my clear easy-to-follow computation.

Please do yourself the good of sharing how you fraudulently came to 19 moons from Benin to Nri — , Mr fatuous liar.

(2) Regarding, the evidence for any piece of small shiny brass cross from your nRi, you failed again to provide any. And the reason is simple, there is none.

On the other hand, I provided the textual evidence (in the same link) showing how Oba Eweka (informed H.L. Ward-Price that he) performs certain rituals every morning at dawn with the small piece of shiny brass cross while first addressing the ritual to the Oghene of Ife before other Yoruba kings and himself.

There is no mention of any Igbo king in the account — not one Igbo king, let alone nRi. You fraud!

(3) Regarding, the evidence for any piece of brass helmet, you failed again to provide any. And the reason is simple, there is none.

You fraudulently pretended like you have no clue what a helmet means.

No, a helmet is not worn as a pendant around the neck — instead, a helmet is worn from above the head and covering the head, and sometimes the face too in addition to the head.

The Iyoba pendant which you attached is also worn by the Attah of Igala, and it simply re-enacts the historical looting of Bini artifacts.

The original copy of the Bini Iyoba artifact which the Igala and Igbo pendants are modeled after is not even made of a brass to begin with.

Instead, it is made of ivory. But most importantly it is not a helmet, and the Igbo and Igala copies are also not helmets but mere pendants.

Again, a helmet is worn from above the head and covering the head, and sometimes the face too in addition to the head.

And I have shown in the same link that the Benin collection of artifacts till date boasts of such brass helmets known by the name the Oduduwa helmets.
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Appendix:
(A) Regarding “Oghene”:

The phrase “Oghene n’Nri” is a fraud made up by you yourself as it does not exist anywhere in Bini history . It just doesn’t exist. I challenge you to provide any scholarly evidence for that.

Instead “Oghene n’Uhe”, on the other hand, is what the Binis call the “Ooni of Ife” historically.

You’re clearly a fraud and an insecure fool.

(B) Regarding the “East” mentioned in that account.

Like I have shown you again and again with scholarly evidence, the phrase ”the place from where dawn comes”; or “the place from where the sun rises” is PRECISELY the religious epithet of Ife — “Ife: Ibi ojumo tii mo wa”.

Moreover, scholars have come to the conclusion that the “East” mentioned in that account as the kingdom of the Ogane is NOT intended by the Bini informants in a literal geographical sense.

Please name me one scholar — just one — who noted that the “East” mentioned in that account was in reference to Ibo land. Mr Fraud!

(C) Your mention of the staff of office actually makes your position more difficult. I wonder why you thought I should have been redundant enough to touch on this most obvious of all the details of the account.

In case you’re genuinely confused as to where the Benin Oba monarchy got its staff of authority from, then keep reading below:

All extant classical/official Benin account states that the Oba monarchy of Benin was founded by a Yoruba man from Ife — I am yet to come across that which will say it came from Igbo land.

Even your Igbo oral traditional account acknowledge this historical fact in the “Agha Oba na Idu” oral account.

Moreover, even the modern revised apocryphal Bini account from Erediauwa & co did not deny the Ife connection, they only attempted to to flip the cause as the effect. But in any case, no mention of Igbo land was even faintly suggested as the origin of their Oba monarchy.

In other words, neither the classical official Bini account nor the modern apocryphal Bini account mentions Igbo land as the origin of the Oba monarchy.

(D) You’re a grand fraud to have said (without evidence) that your unrecognized Nri predates Ife.

The 1969 Paul Ozanne report of a preliminary archaeological survey of Ife noted that many settlements were already established in Ife by circa 400 BCE.

Bring me any scholarly evidence of occupation and settlements in nRi which is even remotely close to that, you insecure fraud.
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In sum, my objective here is simply to demolish your lies in relation to the actual three questions I had posed to you.

In doing so, I demolished more than what I had originally planned for.

Please let me know if there is any of your lies which I have missed out by oversight.
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And as a reminder, here are the details for you again:

(1) The account states that the Ogané’s kingdom was twenty moons' journey away from Benin.

(2) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a small piece of shiny brass cross as an indication of his approval.

(3) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a piece of brass helmet as an indication of his approval.


Nri children are waiting desperately for your specific replies to each of these details backed by scholarly evidence.

Cheers!

cc: BabaRamota1980

@OfoIgbo has been sent back to the classroom.

You were caught jacking my old Nairaland posts as if you have an exam.

Goodluck to you tho.

cc: BabaRamota1980

TAO11:
You’re a brutal liar who is obviously chocking from his own insecurities and inferiority complex.

(1) (i) First of all, Nri is nowhere close to 19 or 20 moons’ journey from Bini by any stretch of the imagination.

Show us your computation, you insecure fatuous liar.

(ii) Ife, on the other hand, came to OVER 19 moons’ journey (based on the median of the three-variable-data I obtained from C.J. Okojie’s ”Ishan Native Laws and Customs”). I shared my clear easy-to-follow computation.

Please do yourself the good of sharing how you fraudulently came to 19 moons from Benin to Nri — , Mr fatuous liar.

(2) Regarding, the evidence for any piece of small shiny brass cross from your nRi, you failed again to provide any. And the reason is simple, there is none.

On the other hand, I provided the textual evidence (in the same link) showing how Oba Eweka (informed H.L. Ward-Price that he) performs certain rituals every morning at dawn with the small piece of shiny brass cross while first addressing the ritual to the Oghene of Ife before other Yoruba kings and himself.

There is no mention of any Igbo king in the account — not one Igbo king, let alone nRi. You fraud!

(3) Regarding, the evidence for any piece of brass helmet, you failed again to provide any. And the reason is simple, there is none.

You fraudulently pretended like you have no clue what a helmet means.

No, a helmet is not worn as a pendant around the neck — instead, a helmet is worn from above the head and covering the head, and sometimes the face too in addition to the head.

The Iyoba pendant which you attached is also worn by the Attah of Igala, and it simply re-enacts the historical looting of Bini artifacts.

The original copy of the Bini Iyoba artifact which the Igala and Igbo pendants are modeled after is not even made of a brass to begin with.

Instead, it is made of ivory. But most importantly it is not a helmet, and the Igbo and Igala copies are also not helmets but mere pendants.

Again, a helmet is worn from above the head and covering the head, and sometimes the face too in addition to the head.

And I have shown in the same link that the Benin collection of artifacts till date boasts of such brass helmets known by the name the Oduduwa helmets.
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Appendix:
(A) Regarding “Oghene”:

The phrase “Oghene n’Nri” is a fraud made up by you yourself as it does not exist anywhere in Bini history . It just doesn’t exist. I challenge you to provide any scholarly evidence for that.

Instead “Oghene n’Uhe”, on the other hand, is what the Binis call the “Ooni of Ife” historically.

You’re clearly a fraud and an insecure fool.

(B) Regarding the “East” mentioned in that account.

Like I have shown you again and again with scholarly evidence, the phrase ”the place from where dawn comes”; or “the place from where the sun rises” is PRECISELY the religious epithet of Ife — “Ife: Ibi ojumo tii mo wa”.

Moreover, scholars have come to the conclusion that the “East” mentioned in that account as the kingdom of the Ogane is NOT intended by the Bini informants in a literal geographical sense.

Please name me one scholar — just one — who noted that the “East” mentioned in that account was in reference to Ibo land. Mr Fraud!

(C) Your mention of the staff of office actually makes your position more difficult. I wonder why you thought I should have been redundant enough to touch on this most obvious of all the details of the account.

In case you’re genuinely confused as to where the Benin Oba monarchy got its staff of authority from, then keep reading below:

All extant classical/official Benin account states that the Oba monarchy of Benin was founded by a Yoruba man from Ife — I am yet to come across that which will say it came from Igbo land.

Even your Igbo oral traditional account acknowledge this historical fact in the “Agha Oba na Idu” oral account.

Moreover, even the modern revised apocryphal Bini account from Erediauwa & co did not deny the Ife connection, they only attempted to to flip the cause as the effect. But in any case, no mention of Igbo land was even faintly suggested as the origin of their Oba monarchy.

In other words, neither the classical official Bini account nor the modern apocryphal Bini account mentions Igbo land as the origin of the Oba monarchy.

(D) You’re a grand fraud to have said (without evidence) that your unrecognized Nri predates Ife.

The 1969 Paul Ozanne report of a preliminary archaeological survey of Ife noted that many settlements were already established in Ife by circa 400 BCE.

Bring me any scholarly evidence of occupation and settlements in nRi which is even remotely close to that, you insecure fraud.
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In sum, my objective here is simply to demolish your lies in relation to the actual three questions I had posed to you.

In doing so, I demolished more than what I had originally planned for.

Please let me know if there is any of your lies which I have missed out by oversight.
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And as a reminder, here are the details for you again:

(1) The account states that the Ogané’s kingdom was twenty moons' journey away from Benin.

(2) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a small piece of shiny brass cross as an indication of his approval.

(3) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a piece of brass helmet as an indication of his approval.


Nri children are waiting desperately for your specific replies to each of these details backed by scholarly evidence.

Cheers!

cc: BabaRamota1980

TAO11 the fake historian

You have fallen into my several traps biatch.

My reply will come hopefully tomorrow or Saturday, all things being equal, but before then, I invite every Igbo person to listen to this interview which I just got the link of. Quite informative to those who want to learn a little.
The guest is Prince Chukwuemeka Onyesoh, whose great grand father was Eze Nri Enwelana I. He was the first Eze Nri ever to approve the use of military force, in battling the slave trade somewhere in Southern Igboland.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4pa0AsVmCE&feature=youtu.be

Also, the attachment below shows Ife, Benin and Nri positions on the map. Nri clans have common boundary with Awka. Distances on the map are scaled/propotional. For ease of understanding, I also added two lines. One line from Ife to Benin. The other line from Nri to Benin. It will seem as though I am dealing with a huge dunce, so some of these things will have to be spelt out. I wrote initially that the distance from Benin to Nri was nearly 19 moons, and I still stand on that point. Crossing the 1 mile-wide river Niger will be almost equivalent to covering about 10 miles on land, because there were no river-crossing service then. It may take the party about a day or two to find an appropriate vehicle to use to cross the river, during which, someone walking on land may have covered about 10 miles, so I want you to bear that in mind.

Please I want everyone to be ruminating over the above point, and wait for my reply which will expose this great fraud TAO11, who obviously seems to be working with the owner of nairaland, and possibly some of the Yoruba irrendentist politicians and historians.

So if IFE means EAST, does IFE also mean EAST OF BENIN?? Quack jobs!!!

Now for the joker I threw in yesterday. Today, I was expecting you to send in the picture of this brass helmet, but you didn't. Anyway, I have taken the liberty to attach it here. It is named ODODUWA mask, but let us even assume they made a mistake, and instead the real name is ODUDUWA mask. Thanks for bringing this issue up. That was exactly why I asked you to send in any such evidence, so that it won't be me sending them in, before you twist it to mean something else. Wait for my coming reply biatch

Sometime ago, you even started claiming that the Eze Nri visited the Ooni to pay respects. Another falsehood from an irredeemable fraud we all know as TAO11. Wait for my reply on this also.

I am gonna have some fun replying to your trash

OfoIgbo:


TAO11 the fake historian

You have fallen into my several traps biatch.

My reply will come hopefully tomorrow or Saturday, all things being equal, but before then, I invite every Igbo person to listen to this interview which I just got the link of. Quite informative to those who want to learn a little.
The guest is Prince Chukwuemeka Onyesoh, whose great grand father was Eze Nri Enwelana I. He was the first Eze Nri ever to approve the use of military force, in battling the slave trade somewhere in Southern Igboland.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4pa0AsVmCE&feature=youtu.be

Also, the attachment below shows Ife, Benin and Nri positions on the map. Nri clans have common boundary with Awka. Distances on the map are scaled/propotional. For ease of understanding, I also added two lines. One line from Ife to Benin. The other line from Nri to Benin. It will seem as though I am dealing with a huge dunce, so some of these things will have to be spelt out. I wrote initially that the distance from Benin to Nri was nearly 19 moons, and I still stand on that point. Crossing the 1 mile-wide river Niger will be almost equivalent to covering about 10 miles on land, because there were no river-crossing service then. It may take the party about a day or two to find an appropriate vehicle to use to cross the river, during which, someone walking on land may have covered about 10 miles, so I want you to bear that in mind.

Please I want everyone to be ruminating over the above point, and wait for my reply which will expose this great fraud TAO11, who obviously seems to be working with the owner of nairaland, and possibly some of the Yoruba irrendentist politicians and historians.

So if IFE means EAST, does IFE also mean EAST OF BENIN?? Quack jobs!!!

Now for the joker I threw in yesterday. Today, I was expecting you to send in the picture of this brass helmet, but you didn't. Anyway, I have taken the liberty to attach it here. It is named ODODUWA mask, but let us even assume they made a mistake, and instead the real name is ODUDUWA mask. Thanks for bringing this issue up. That was exactly why I asked you to send in any such evidence, so that it won't be me sending them in, before you twist it to mean something else. Wait for my coming reply biatch

Sometime ago, you even started claiming that the Eze Nri visited the Ooni to pay respects. Another falsehood from an irredeemable fraud we all know as TAO11. Wait for my reply on this also.

I am gonna have some fun replying to your trash

Ofoigbo,
If everybody just told their history without an independent accreditation for its authenticity there would be over a million Igbo progenitor stories.

You need a story that can be verified independently outside of any Igbo interest. Di you have any?

Ofoigbo, nobody know this Nri. Thr person that knoes it very well and lived amongst you said Nri was a small town. Not just a town, but a "small" town. It is not a kingdom and no king sits in it. It served as headquarter for priests that coronated kings. These priests were themselves not kings. Basden made a clear distinction on this. He knew what kings were and he visited the on in Onitsha and one in Agbor and Asaba. He also knew what priests were because he saw the priests. He did not mention them to be kings. They were nothing but priests. Colonial govt gave them warrant chief title and they equate themselves now to king.

TAO11:
@OfoIgbo has been sent back to the classroom.

You were caught jacking my old Nairaland posts as if you have an exam.

Goodluck to you tho.

cc: BabaRamota1980

People, this is a proof that the owner(s) of nairaland is/are working in tandem with TAO11, feeding him with various information which they hope, will help her in dumping her historical fraud on the unassuming forumites.

They will never give me the information they are giving her, but unfortunately for you, I'm a solid NRI G that knows his historical onions.

Even your Ooni has told you of Igbo accomplishments in times gone by, but these upstarts feel they know more than the traditional Yoruba high priest

OfoIgbo:


People, this is a proof that the owner(s) of nairaland is/are working in tandem with TAO11, feeding him with various information which they hope, will help her in dumping her historical fraud on the unassuming forumites.

They will never give me the information they are giving her, but unfortunately for you, I'm a solid NRI G that knows his historical onions.

Even your Ooni has told you of Igbo accomplishments in times gone by, but these upstarts feel they know more than the traditional Yoruba high priest

Hahaha

You’re such a dumb and insecure nRi villager.

You just magnified the typical Igbo insecurity and persecution complex in you.

And this a good index that my flogging did indeed got to you.

The attached screenshot below shows you sharing one of my old posts today. And you’ve been caught doing that elsewhere.

Your tiny clogged brain should have informed you that I will receive a notification whenever you share my post.

You actually turned out to be dumber than I had initially anticipated.

cc: BabaRamota1980, LegendHero

TAO11:
Hahaha

You’re such a dumb and insecure nRi villager.

You just magnified the typical Igbo insecurity and persecution complex in you.

And this a good index that my flogging did indeed got to you.

The attached screenshot below shows you sharing one of my old posts. And you’ve been caught doing that elsewhere.

Your tiny clogged brain should have informed you that I will receive a notification whenever you share my post.

You actually turned out to be dumber than I had initially anticipated.

Your crap getting to me
You must be joking. Rather considering how I will smack you historical asss

OfoIgbo:


Your crap getting to me
You must be joking. Rather considering how I will smack you historical asss

The typical Igbo persecution-complex in you kicked in only because the flogging got to you.

Just today I caught you sharing one of my old posts, yet you wondered that it must be some power-that-be who informed me that you’ve been jacking my old posts like you have an exam.

Didn’t your common sense inform you that I will receive an auto-notification if you shared my post??

The flogging is obviously entering.

TAO11:
Hahaha

You’re such a dumb and insecure nRi villager.

You just magnified the typical Igbo insecurity and persecution complex in you.

And this a good index that my flogging did indeed got to you.

The attached screenshot below shows you sharing one of my old posts. And you’ve been caught doing that elsewhere.

Your tiny clogged brain should have informed you that I will receive a notification whenever you share my post.

You actually turned out to be dumber than I had initially anticipated.

cc: BabaRamota1980, LegendHero

This is serious. So you are still hitting these guys right left and center.

Now he’s accusing the mods of sponsoring you just because they can’t withstand your brain power anymore.

Come to think of it, how can the mods supply you with historical information that has to do with knowledge and research? Are the mods professors of Benin/Yoruba history or how exactly will they be able to supply one with facts?

Thank God this thread wasn’t opened by him, he would have cried to the mods to delete it and close it down like he always do.

LegendHero:


This is serious. So you are still hitting these guys right left and center.

Now he’s accusing the mods of sponsoring you just because they can’t withstand your brain power anymore.

Come to think of it, how can the mods supply you with historical information that has to do with knowledge and research? Are the mods professors of Benin/Yoruba history or how exactly will they be able to supply one with facts?

Thank God this thread wasn’t opened by him, he would have cried to the mods to delete it and close it down like he always do.

Hahaha ... I swear I wan laugh die.

When the flogging gets so hard, the inferiority and persecution complexes would have no choice but to kick in and manifest unyieldingly.

OfoIgbo:


People, this is a proof that the owner(s) of nairaland is/are working in tandem with TAO11, feeding him with various information which they hope, will help her in dumping her historical fraud on the unassuming forumites.

They will never give me the information they are giving her, but unfortunately for you, I'm a solid NRI G that knows his historical onions.

Even your Ooni has told you of Igbo accomplishments in times gone by, but these upstarts feel they know more than the traditional Yoruba high priest

My friend, you are a comedian tbh.

So the mods are supplying TAO with information and they marginalized you by not supplying you with enough information to duel with TAO?

So Seun Lalasticala Mynd44 and etc are well versed in Benin history to the extent of feeding TAO with various information to use against you and the Ibos. Tao will lecture Seun and the mods like primary school student.

Let me say it clearly here, I’ve been on Nairaland for quite a while and I have NOT seen anyone that is well versed in Benin/Yoruba linkage history like TAO11 on Nairaland.

This is my advise to you, rather than focus on winning an argument against TAO, you should rather humble yourself and learn from the vast knowledge God endowed Tao with.

Lastly, it’s obvious you are very small for Tao so let’s make a bet. You will provide your best Igbo professor in History (with concentration in Benin/Igbo history) and I will provide TAO11 for a debate.

If your professor win TAO, I will denounce my Yorubaness and go to NRI to pledge allegiance.

Are you game?

LegendHero:


My friend, you are a comedian tbh.

So the mods are supplying TAO with information and they marginalized you by not supplying you with enough information to duel with TAO?

So Seun Lalasticala Mynd44 and etc are well versed in Benin history to the extent of feeding TAO with various information to use against you and the Ibos. Tao will lecture Seun and the mods like primary school student.

Let me say it clearly here, I’ve been on Nairaland for quite a while and I have NOT seen anyone that is well versed in Benin/Yoruba linkage history like TAO11 on Nairaland.

This is my advise to you, rather than focus on winning an argument against TAO, you should rather humble yourself and learn from the vast knowledge God endowed Tao with.

Lastly, it’s obvious you are very small for Tao so let’s make a bet. You will provide your best Igbo professor in History (with concentration in Benin/Igbo history) and I will provide TAO11 for a debate.

If your professor win TAO, I will denounce my Yorubaness and go to NRI to pledge allegiance.

Are you game?

I died at the bolded. Hahaha

LegendHero:


My friend, you are a comedian tbh.

So the mods are supplying TAO with information and they marginalized you by not supplying you with enough information to duel with TAO?

So Seun Lalasticala Mynd44 and etc are well versed in Benin history to the extent of feeding TAO with various information to use against you and the Ibos. Tao will lecture Seun and the mods like primary school student.

Let me say it clearly here, I’ve been on Nairaland for quite a while and I have NOT seen anyone that is well versed in Benin/Yoruba linkage history like TAO11 on Nairaland.

This is my advise to you, rather than focus on winning an argument against TAO, you should rather humble yourself and learn from the vast knowledge God endowed Tao with.

Lastly, it’s obvious you are very small for Tao so let’s make a bet. You will provide your best Igbo professor in History (with concentration in Benin/Igbo history) and I will provide TAO11 for a debate.

If your professor win TAO, I will denounce my Yorubaness and go to NRI to pledge allegiance.

Are you game?

Stop being a dunce. Check out the number of LIKES he got for the nonsense he sent off yesterday. Even if he didn't get any help from the owners ( which I seriously doubt ), he has a bunch of enablers, who are so disappointed at the assault I am carrying out on their fake history.

Wait for my reply though. NRI = THE KINGDOM TO THE EAST OF BENIN

OfoIgbo:


Stop being a dunce. Check out the number of LIKES he got for the nonsense he sent off yesterday. Even if he didn't get any help from the owners ( which I seriously doubt ), he has a bunch of enablers, who are so disappointed at the assault I am carrying out on their fake history.

Wait for my reply though. NRI = THE KINGDOM TO THE EAST OF BENIN

Lol. So now it’s about the number of likes?

What about the many time when you guys have more likes on post than usual, have you ever seen the Yorubas cry to the mods like you just did. What’s in a Like, Nairaland these days is a joke coz likes is not a factor of good post, it’s just useless because people like post based on their biases.

You’re carrying which assault? The only one that need mercy on this thread is you and you are clearly the one being assaulted by the legendary Tao Tao.

How many times will you reply this Nri? Sit down and learn instead of trying to win against a more superior intellect.

The best thing is to call your derailer in Chief hellraiser77 to come and derail the thread as usual.

Hello Tao11 and his merry band of Ekuke Dogs

Tao11 why are you not focusing on the new phase of life Igbos opened for you? , I will open 13 more before this thread is over

LegendHero babaramota1980 Googi what do y'all have for me

TAO11:


I died at the bolded. Hahaha

My beech Tao, why are you sacred shitless of me this days

Don't be afraid to mention me, I wont bite.....I'm only interested in exposing your lies nothing more

OfoIgbo:
TAO11 the fake historian You have fallen into my several traps biatch.

To think this is coming from a charlatan who fraudulently equated a helmet sent in-lieu of a crown to mean one and the same thing as a face-pendant hanging from a chain worn around the neck.

And to actually think the said face-pendant is even significantly less than life-size.

What a disgrace you are! Anyways keep disgracing little nRi village before the world. Continue!

My reply will come hopefully tomorrow or Saturday, all things being equal

Wait, what happened to the supposed killer-reply you had taken a week or more to prepare?? I guess I busted you as always.

Anyways, it is my pleasure to continue disgracing you over whatever fraud you choose to bring forward.

but before then, I invite every Igbo person to listen to this interview which I just got the link of. Quite informative to those who want to learn a little. The guest is Prince Chukwuemeka Onyesoh, whose great grand father was Eze Nri Enwelana I. He was the first Eze Nri ever to approve the use of military force, in battling the slave trade somewhere in Southern Igboland.

I actually don't care whatever video you put up to massage your little village's ego within your little nRi circle.

What I worry for you about, instead, is how you end up disgracing little nRi via your fraudulent attempt to project it beyond its rightful tiny corner.

Also, the attachment below shows Ife, Benin and Nri positions on the map. Nri clans have common boundary with Awka. Distances on the map are scaled/propotional.

Hold on a second! Your fraudulent (and ignorant) nature seems to be playing out here again.

You had no trouble locating Ife on the map; you had no problem locating Benin City on the map; but as soon as it was Nri’s turn to be located on the map, your fraudulent nature kicked in.

Given that Igbo-Ukwu (which is the ancient seat of government and capital of the Nri kingdom) exists on maps; can you then explain why you decided to forsake Igbo-Ukwu and instead flee to Awka which is not even part of the Nri kingdom??

Or are you that desperate to push Nri as farther away from Benin City as possible??

But even at that, your desperate trick here still amounts to a colossal failure because no matter how hard you try, Benin City is nothing close to twenty moons' journey away by any stretch of the imagination.

For ease of understanding, I also added two lines. One line from Ife to Benin. The other line from Nri to Benin. It will seem as though I am dealing with a huge dunce, so some of these things will have to be spelt out.

You’re actually disgracing and exposing yourself as the actual dunce now.

First of all, you were dead-scared of identifying Nri on your map, and you therefore had to flee to Awka in a desperate attempt to keep your supposed Nri as far away from Benin City as possible.

Secondly, your grand ignorance manifested again when you connected "Benin & Ife" as well as “Benin & Awka (supposed Nri)” respectively using straight-lines.

Now for the sake of educating you as part of my usual public service, please let it sink into your cranium that straight-lines do not logically or historically represent the locus or route followed by the Binis in the course of their ancient Benin—Ife trips; or even the fictional Benin—nRi trips which you’re desperate to squeeze in.

What is established logically and historically, instead, is that such a historical trip from Benin to Ife, for example, would obviously minimize the need to wade through previously uncharted dense forests, and instead optimize the advantage of courses passing through pre-existing Benin-allied polities situated along the routes to Ife.

One of such Benin-allied ancient polities along the route to Ife from Benin is the ancient kingdom of Owo which is, in fact, the earliest Yoruba kingdom founded around the Edo frontier region.

Moreover, one historical testament to the the ancient political and cultural alliance between the Benin, Owo, and Ife polities is their respective sculptural art traditions.

The art of Owo is known to have drawn inspirations from both the Ife and the Benin art traditions, while also retaining its own unique distinctiveness. Owo has been said then to be “the meeting-point of Ife and Benin art styles” because it “is situated halfway between ... Ife and Benin”.

Another historical testament to the ancient political and cultural alliance between these two polities is that Benin and Owo traditions acknowledge that a crown-prince of the Owo kingdom enjoys the privilege of living in the Benin palace until it was his turn to rule Owo kingdom.

To wrap-up this discourse on the old Benin—Ife route, it suffices to cite a historical information from a historian of African and Yoruba History, Professor S.A. Akintoye who noted that "both [Benin and Owo] looked spiritually, commercially and culturally, northwestwards towards Ife and were connected to that ancient kingdom through the same old routes". — S.A. Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People”, Amalion Publishing, 2010, p.212.


Similarly, if you must explore your proposed Benin—Nri route, then you must be willing to do so logically and historically (not by merely drawing straight lines on maps like a huge dunce) but by considering the historical Benin-allied polities situated along a route from Benin City to your nRi kingdom.

Some of these historical Benin-allied polities along such route are: ?Agbor, ?Asaba and ?Onitsha.

In any case and regardless of whatever twisting you choose to dress it with, Nri is nothing even remotely close to twenty moons' journey away from Benin by any stretch of the imagination.

Like I have repeatedly requested, show your computation just like I did show mine.

I wrote initially that the distance from Benin to Nri was nearly 19 moons, and I still stand on that point.

Facts don’t work by simply making a baseless assertion and then insisting upon it dogmatically in the hope that others would also accept it without hesitation and scrutiny.

No, facts don’t work like that. You have to show your computation just like I showed mine.

Crossing the 1 mile-wide river Niger will be almost equivalent to covering about 10 miles on land, because there were no river-crossing service then

I would have assumed that a boat or canoe would typically move faster than someone who have been trekking all the way from Benin city.

Moreover, what do you mean by "no river-crossing service then"?? You have to be more explicit with your statements, and also remember to arm yourself with your evidence.

It may take the party about a day or two to find an appropriate vehicle to use to cross the river, during which, someone walking on land may have covered about 10 miles, so I want you to bear that in mind.

In fact, let's pretend that it would take them one week to find a boat or canoe, nRi still can not possibly be anything even remotely close to twenty moons’ journey away from Benin City by any stretch of the imagination.

Please I want everyone to be ruminating over the above point, and wait for my reply which will expose this great fraud TAO11, who obviously seems to be working with the owner of nairaland, and possibly some of the Yoruba irrendentist politicians and historians.

Your inferiority and persecution complexes seem to be kicking in already at this point.

For example, you complained earlier that I could not possibly have known that you were jacking my old posts (like you have an exam) except that some Nairaland powers-that-be had informed me.

You seem to be too dumb to realize that I will be auto-notified when you shared one of my old posts today.

Anyways, whenever you will decide to reply that comment is not what matters to me, all that matters to me is that you reply showing your computation of how Nri was some twenty moons' journey away from Benin City.

Please do not reply if you won't show your computation, because you would be taken for a fool by everyone as always.

The following are some scientific/historical data that should assist you with your computation:
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(1) Traditionally, the journey from Uromi in Ishan to Benin City (along a route of some 50 miles) used to take from 4 months to 6 months to cover. — C.G. Okojie, “Ishan Native Laws and Customs” cited in A.F.C. Ryder, 1965, p.27.

(2) Typically, 1 complete month contains some 30.417 days in it.

(3) Typically, 1 complete moon contains some 27.322 days in it.

So if IFE means EAST, does IFE also mean EAST OF BENIN?? Quack jobs!!!

No, the word "Ife" does not literally mean "east".

Rather, the sacred kingdom of Ife is known — from Togo (on its geographical west) through Benin kingdom to Ugbodu in Delta State (on its geographical east) — by its ancient religious epithet of: “the place from where the sun rises".

It is in this religious context that scholars (not just me) have interpreted the phrase "east of the King of Beni" as documented in the European accounts.

The basis for this interpretation is rooted, moreover, in the fact that these accounts were documented by foreigners based on the information they received from the Bini informants at Benin, rather than based on some visit by the foreigners to the Ogané's kingdom.

In other words, this specific information (i.e. the phrase: "the place from where the sun rises" in reference to the Ogané's kingdom) was supplied by the Binis via their everyday religious reference frame; but was received by the foreigners via an entirely different reference frame, viz. a literal/geographical reference frame.

For a fact, however, scholars do not take the "east" of this account to be in reference to Iboland.

Now for the joker I threw in yesterday. Today, I was expecting you to send in the picture of this brass helmet, but you didn't.

I am actually not to blame for being unable to read your mind. I am only able to see the requests you type out and post. I can not possibly see those which are confined to your mind.

Going forward, please let me know whatever you need by typing them out and posting them. I will always do my best to provide them if they exist.

Anyway, I have taken the liberty to attach it here. It is named ODODUWA mask, but let us even assume they made a mistake, and instead the real name is ODUDUWA mask. Thanks for bringing this issue up. [s]That was exactly why I asked you to send in any such evidence, so that it won't be me sending them in, before you twist it to mean something else. Wait for my coming reply biatch[/s]

First of all, nobody made any mistake by spelling “OdUduwa” as "OdOduwa". You have to stop deluding yourself.

"OdOduwa" is simply one Bini variant spelling of the same name "OdUduwa", just like there are other Yoruba variant spellings such as "Oodua", or "Ooduwa", among other variant spellings.

In fact, a quick search of the name "OdOduwa" should have informed you that the same personage as "OdUduwa" is being referred to. “OdOduwa” does not refer to someone different from “OdUduwa”.

Secondly, you seem to be fraudulently omitting a key word here — the word "helmet".

The name of these Benin masks is actually Oduduwa helmet. Your own attachment shows this key-word (i.e. ”helmet”) while also adding that it is a metal cast as opposed to an ivory cast.

Your reason for fraudulently omitting the key word ”helmet” is obviously because this word alone demolishes your fraudulent narrative.

The most you presented was a less-than-life-size face-pendant hanging from a chain worn around the neck. Lol.

Whereas, the Portuguese account clearly talks of a brass helmet sent by the Ogané in-lieu of a crown.

The phrase Oduduwa helmet clearly matches this account, and thus obviously identifies the kingdom of the Ogané with Ife via the name ”Oduduwa”.

Consider the embedded image below showing the popular spelling "Oduduwa" for one of such helmet masks:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11332213_screenshot20190520203532_jpeg9db82120158bea0f00b94f47527ea712

Sometime ago, you even started claiming that the Eze Nri visited the Ooni to pay respects. Another falsehood from an irredeemable fraud we all know as TAO11. Wait for my reply on this also.

No it was Eze Nri's father — that is, Eze Eri — whom I actually intended there, and I did clarify that already. You seem to be clutching at straws now.

But in any case, this still doesn't look good for nRi village.

I am gonna have some fun replying to your trash

I hope you won't disgrace both yourself and Nri village again like you've been doing.

In any case, do not forget to address the following three details whenever you finally find the good day to reply:

(1) Show a computation demonstrating how Nri village is some twenty moons’ journey away from Benin City.

(2) Demonstrate with scholarly evidence how Benin kingdom boasts of any small piece of brass cross from Nri, or at least in relation to Nri.

(3) Demonstrate with scholarly evidence how Benin kingdom boasts of any piece of brass helmet from Nri, or at least in relation to Nri.

Cheers!

cc: BabaRamota1980, LegendHero, MinorityOpinion

Found this on google earth, need physical confirmation of if it is the nsude pyramids, possible ancient town in the environs as well.

googi:
Honesty, you guys have greatly underestimated the reaction of those that studied Igbo culture and know you inside out. It could have been better to keep your mouth shut instead of trying to fabricate a false sense of gratification with nonsense.

All these just because you wanted to compete with Yoruba and Bini.

Benin taught Yoruba a lesson. If you ignore them and let them build castles on the sand, when it collapses on their heads, Yoruba will have to take them to Babalawo for care.

BabaRamota and TAO1, E ku ise o!

Trying to give the clown fabricated history a sense of no belonging

TAO11:
You’re a brutal liar who is obviously chocking from his own insecurities and inferiority complex.

(1) (i) First of all, Nri is nowhere close to 19 or 20 moons’ journey from Bini by any stretch of the imagination.

Show us your computation, you insecure fatuous liar.

(ii) Ife, on the other hand, came to OVER 19 moons’ journey (based on the median of the three-variable-data I obtained from C.J. Okojie’s ”Ishan Native Laws and Customs”). I shared my clear easy-to-follow computation.

Please do yourself the good of sharing how you fraudulently came to 19 moons from Benin to Nri — , Mr fatuous liar.

(2) Regarding, the evidence for any piece of small shiny brass cross from your nRi, you failed again to provide any. And the reason is simple, there is none.

On the other hand, I provided the textual evidence (in the same link) showing how Oba Eweka (informed H.L. Ward-Price that he) performs certain rituals every morning at dawn with the small piece of shiny brass cross while first addressing the ritual to the Oghene of Ife before other Yoruba kings and himself.

There is no mention of any Igbo king in the account — not one Igbo king, let alone nRi. You fraud!

(3) Regarding, the evidence for any piece of brass helmet, you failed again to provide any. And the reason is simple, there is none.

You fraudulently pretended like you have no clue what a helmet means.

No, a helmet is not worn as a pendant around the neck — instead, a helmet is worn from above the head and covering the head, and sometimes the face too in addition to the head.

The Iyoba pendant which you attached is also worn by the Attah of Igala, and it simply re-enacts the historical looting of Bini artifacts.

The original copy of the Bini Iyoba artifact which the Igala and Igbo pendants are modeled after is not even made of a brass to begin with.

Instead, it is made of ivory. But most importantly it is not a helmet, and the Igbo and Igala copies are also not helmets but mere pendants.

Again, a helmet is worn from above the head and covering the head, and sometimes the face too in addition to the head.

And I have shown in the same link that the Benin collection of artifacts till date boasts of such brass helmets known by the name the Oduduwa helmets.
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Appendix:
(A) Regarding “Oghene”:

The phrase “Oghene n’Nri” is a fraud made up by you yourself as it does not exist anywhere in Bini history . It just doesn’t exist. I challenge you to provide any scholarly evidence for that.

Instead “Oghene n’Uhe”, on the other hand, is what the Binis call the “Ooni of Ife” historically.

You’re clearly a fraud and an insecure fool.

(B) Regarding the “East” mentioned in that account.

Like I have shown you again and again with scholarly evidence, the phrase ”the place from where dawn comes”; or “the place from where the sun rises” is PRECISELY the religious epithet of Ife — “Ife: Ibi ojumo tii mo wa”.

Moreover, scholars have come to the conclusion that the “East” mentioned in that account as the kingdom of the Ogane is NOT intended by the Bini informants in a literal geographical sense.

Please name me one scholar — just one — who noted that the “East” mentioned in that account was in reference to Ibo land. Mr Fraud!

(C) Your mention of the staff of office actually makes your position more difficult. I wonder why you thought I should have been redundant enough to touch on this most obvious of all the details of the account.

In case you’re genuinely confused as to where the Benin Oba monarchy got its staff of authority from, then keep reading below:

All extant classical/official Benin account states that the Oba monarchy of Benin was founded by a Yoruba man from Ife — I am yet to come across that which will say it came from Igbo land.

Even your Igbo oral traditional account acknowledge this historical fact in the “Agha Oba na Idu” oral account.

Moreover, even the modern revised apocryphal Bini account from Erediauwa & co did not deny the Ife connection, they only attempted to to flip the cause as the effect. But in any case, no mention of Igbo land was even faintly suggested as the origin of their Oba monarchy.

In other words, neither the classical official Bini account nor the modern apocryphal Bini account mentions Igbo land as the origin of the Oba monarchy.

(D) You’re a grand fraud to have said (without evidence) that your unrecognized Nri predates Ife.

The 1969 Paul Ozanne report of a preliminary archaeological survey of Ife noted that many settlements were already established in Ife by circa 400 BCE.

Bring me any scholarly evidence of occupation and settlements in nRi which is even remotely close to that, you insecure fraud.
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In sum, my objective here is simply to demolish your lies in relation to the actual three questions I had posed to you.

In doing so, I demolished more than what I had originally planned for.

Please let me know if there is any of your lies which I have missed out by oversight.
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And as a reminder, here are the details for you again:

(1) The account states that the Ogané’s kingdom was twenty moons' journey away from Benin.

(2) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a small piece of shiny brass cross as an indication of his approval.

(3) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a piece of brass helmet as an indication of his approval.


Nri children are waiting desperately for your specific replies to each of these details backed by scholarly evidence.

Cheers!

cc: BabaRamota1980

Do you tell them oghene is from middle belt, Zimbabwe or central Africa

Or oghene was a mixup....

So oghene is ife


And your mumu brother gave you likes

Men who are lead by women, i spit on yoruba men