okpalaAnambra:
Anambra is not igbo.. Anambra is Igala.. You should know that already

but ezechime wasn't an Igala man

[quote author=gregyboy post=94696669][/quote]

ok!!
anyway you seem to know her

gregyboy:


Now i want to laugh, haha...

The only fall benin had was economic power which it lost because of its unending civil which struck various times in 1600Ad, they lost some vassal during this period and regained them back by 1700AD,the Europeans made it know benin fell during this period economically not militarily wise

Benin military were so large that if there was internal crisis it wont affect its military power

Benin economic power fell by 17c ....when the benin monopoly was reduced by influx flow of several European to it shores despite its economical fall it had monopoly over some states despite the economic fall oyo could have not even be richer than benin some niger delta states at this time would even be way far richer than oyo, which probably never existed, if it did exist, benin was trying to expand its economic piwer into further interior when the clash of intrest btw benin and British fell out,


Please go read afc ryder, benin and the Portuguese relationship

Benin never fell militarily throughout till it fell with
The British forces, during 19 century few months before the benin british war, part of benin armies
Where in owo to burn it down by the orders of the oba of benin because they revolted

European saying benin fell had their standard for saying so, benin never fell to the point it would sweat to pull oyo forces down

If you have read samuel johson book on yoruba war, you would see benin played a vital role, supplying military wares to yoruba warriors and even sent forces that defeated the oyo in ekiti.

I dislike people who just read and dont rationalized what they have read it makes them have baked knowledgeable people

1) The point is at what standard did the European consoder benin economic fall or even the military fall,

2)did the benin fall affect or anyway strengthened the oyo empire, the answer is no

3) how true was the oyo economic and military strength in their peak to the benins

4) how varse are you in both knowledge

I see you have little knowledge on benin history TAO11 wouldn't even say this rubbish you spilled up there, because she knows much to spill such errors

Incoherent jibber-jabber, as always.

gregyboy:


Now i want to laugh, haha...

The only fall benin had was economic power which it lost because of its unending civil which struck various times in 1600Ad, they lost some vassal during this period and regained them back by 1700AD,the Europeans made it know benin fell during this period economically not militarily wise

Benin military were so large that if there was internal crisis it wont affect its military power

Benin economic power fell by 17c ....when the benin monopoly was reduced by influx flow of several European to it shores despite its economical fall it had monopoly over some states despite the economic fall oyo could have not even be richer than benin some niger delta states at this time would even be way far richer than oyo, which probably never existed, if it did exist, benin was trying to expand its economic piwer into further interior when the clash of intrest btw benin and British fell out,


Please go read afc ryder, benin and the Portuguese relationship

Benin never fell militarily throughout till it fell with
The British forces, during 19 century few months before the benin british war, part of benin armies
Where in owo to burn it down by the orders of the oba of benin because they revolted

European saying benin fell had their standard for saying so, benin never fell to the point it would sweat to pull oyo forces down

If you have read samuel johson book on yoruba war, you would see benin played a vital role, supplying military wares to yoruba warriors and even sent forces that defeated the oyo in ekiti.

I dislike people who just read and dont rationalized what they have read it makes them have baked knowledgeable people

1) The point is at what standard did the European consoder benin economic fall or even the military fall,

2)did the benin fall affect or anyway strengthened the oyo empire, the answer is no

3) how true was the oyo economic and military strength in their peak to the benins

4) how varse are you in both knowledge

I see you have little knowledge on benin history TAO11 wouldn't even say this rubbish you spilled up there, because she knows much to spill such errors

Nice one bro

What the fvck is Nri Nri never existed I already told you to go hug transformer

Which war did Benin ever fight Are you people joking or confusing Dahomey with Benin? Even their existence in Lagos was because Oyo and Ife princes went to call them to come and take their share. They never fought any kind of war please. Maybe skirmishes with Esan villagers. You people are funny . Oyo fought Fulani, fought Nupe, fought Hausa, fought Dahomey, fought within themselves. All this while Benin people were hiding in their fortress. When you talk war please do t mention Benin again ever! Benin was just a pass through for travelers/migrants from the West into the SS and East. It was like a hub, that is the reason why it was successful. Nothing like subjects there, except the areas where Benin Princes went to establish. All within the small area of SS and one state in SE

baby124:
Which war did Benin ever fight Are you people joking or confusing Dahomey with Benin? Even their existence in Lagos was because Oyo and Ife princes went to call them to come and take their share. They never fought any kind of war please. Maybe skirmishes with Esan villagers. You people are funny . Oyo fought Fulani, fought Nupe, fought Hausa, fought Dahomey, fought within themselves. All this while Benin people were hiding in their fortress. When you talk war please do t mention Benin again ever! Benin was just a pass through for travelers/migrants from the West into the SS and East. It was like a hub, that is the reason why it was successful. Nothing like subjects there, except the areas where Benin Princes went to establish. All within the small area of SS and one state in SE

Are you aware that you're stupid?

Christistruth00:
[/b][b]

Benin was more powerful because the Portuguese Armed them and they had Portuguese Mercenaries and Military advisers but Oyo had the largest land mass and population. The Oyo were far better Administrators.

After the 17 th Century Benins power went downhill . Ogendenge of Ekiti parapo even captured territory from Benin n the 19th century and the Ijebu drove them out of Lagos after both the Ekiti and Ijebu had both acquired firearm's.

Oyo was more successful than Benin in administration and devolving power to its people and provinces and so was able to administer a larger territory that is why Oyo had several flourishing successful Cities Still existing today including Porto Novo ,Ibadan, Iwo , Abeokuta, Osogbo , Ota,Offa ,Badagry, Ilaro, Ogbomosho, Ilorin, Ilesa, Ijebu , Iwo, Ilaro, Gbogan,Saki Iseyin, Ondo Atakampe(Togo) etc


[b]In short Benin Empire was more Powerful but Oyo was more Successful even leaving strong successor States such as Ibadan , Abeokuta , Ajase (Porto Novo) and Ijebu in place.[/

[b]A big lesson on the importance of administration and devolution of Power.[/

At the bolded... U keep dwelling on ur ignorance... That ur nonsense claim of ijebu driving Benin has been debunked on this thread that u shamelessly ran away...
https://www.nairaland.com/6142177/lagos-part-western-nigeria#94297117

The Benin Empire started in the 15th century.... The Portuguese hadn't come then.. so stop using baseless claims of guns as an excuse of Benin Empire

Besides how was Oyo Empire more successful when it ended earlier than Benin as a result of internal struggles...

U talk like a drunkard most times

valirex:


Are you aware that you're stupid?

That Guy Na stupid guy...

He just wants to comment so that his mates will think he's wise

Etinosa1234:

At the bolded... U keep dwelling on ur ignorance... That ur nonsense claim of ijebu driving Benin has been debunked on this thread that u shamelessly ran away...
https://www.nairaland.com/6142177/lagos-part-western-nigeria#94297117

The Benin Empire started in the 15th century.... The Portuguese hadn't come then.. so stop using baseless claims of guns as an excuse of Benin Empire

Besides how was Oyo Empire more successful when it ended earlier than Benin as a result of internal struggles...

U talk like a drunkard most times

In the days of Alaafin Ojigi and Basorun Gaha Oyo ruled over Benin including Benin City

And yes Ijebu drove Benin out of Lagos in the 19th Century that is why Isale Eko is all that Oba of Lagos has let as his domain ( about 1 square mile of Lagos) . Ijebu own and rule over more more than 300 square miles of Lagos...
Go and read the Osifekunde's 19th Century Slave narrative to confirm that Ijebu defeated and drove Benin out of Lagos and took back the Land from them

Sir Alfred Moloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos
1890

Also Confirming the Lander Brother's 17 th Century report that Oyo had ruled over Benin before.

Christistruth00:



In the days of Alafin Ojigi and Basorun Gaha Oyo ruled over Benin

And yes Ijebu drove Benin out of Lagos in the 19th Century that is why Isale Eko is all that Oba of Lagos has as his domain ( about 1 square mile of Lagos) . Ijebu own and rule over more more than 300 square miles of Lagos...
Go and read the Osifekunde's 19th Century Slave narrative to confirm that Ijebu defeated and drove Benin out of Lagos and took back the Land from them

You are talking of Benin Republic or Dahomey. These ones here are talking of Benin City or Oba of Benin them. Completely different people.

baby124:

You are talking of Benin Republic or Dahomey. These ones here are talking of Benin City or Oba of Benin them. Completely different people.

BOTH DAHOMEY AND BENIN , OYO RULED OVER.


""This King ( Alaafin Ojigi) in order to show his undisputed sovereignty over the whole of the Yoruba country, including Benin, sent out a large expedition which struck the Niger in the north, near the Ibaribas,
(Niger State) and coasted along the right bank until they arrived at the coast and returned to Oyo by the Popo country (Dahomey). Great exploits were reported of the leaders.""

Alaafin Ojigi ruled over all the territory on the right bank of River Niger from the Lower Bariba Country (Niger State) , all the right bank of lower River Niger all the way to the Coast and along the Sea Coast to the Popo Country in Dahomey.









cc: TAO11, Olu317,LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota

Let me shock you even more:

Ashanti and the Ga of Ghana paid tribute to the Alaafin of Oyo in the days of Basorun Gaha

That partly explains how and why Basorun Gaha the Prime Minister became such an arrogant king maker ,king destroyer and tyrant .

Basorun Gaha may be the reason why Yoruba's hate but can wait patiently to outmanoeuvre despotic rulers. It cost 4 Alaafins their lives before the 5th Alaafin Abiodun outsmarted him and finally killed him burning. him to ashes.

He controlled all the territory from the West Bank of River Niger all the way to and including the Ashanti of Ghana and all the Coastline .
The territory was bounded in the North by the River Niger of the Bariba Country (Niger State)


ccOlu317
ccTAO11

baby124:
Which war did Benin ever fight Are you people joking or confusing Dahomey with Benin? Even their existence in Lagos was because Oyo and Ife princes went to call them to come and take their share. They never fought any kind of war please. Maybe skirmishes with Esan villagers. You people are funny . Oyo fought Fulani, fought Nupe, fought Hausa, fought Dahomey, fought within themselves. All this while Benin people were hiding in their fortress. When you talk war please do t mention Benin again ever! Benin was just a pass through for travelers/migrants from the West into the SS and East. It was like a hub, that is the reason why it was successful. Nothing like subjects there, except the areas where Benin Princes went to establish. All within the small area of SS and one state in SE

Lol, see mugu....

Were you intending to troll

Benin fought oyo at ekiti and defeated them, benin fought nupe at igala, benin fought hausa, benin fought yorubas and they all won

Lastly they fought the British which dey lost


I want to pick the hairs on your butt hole... Lol

Edeyoung:



Lol, see mugu....

Were intendinf and to troll

Benin fought oyo at ekiti and defeated them, benin foyght nupe at igala, benin fought hausa, benin fought yorubas and they all won

Lastly they fought the British which dey lost


I want to pick the hairs on your butt hole... Lol

Where did Benin fight these people? In your dreams? You are claiming Oyo wars as Bini wars. Bini only attempted to fight the British and they were rounded up, with their artifacts stolen and the Oba deposed.

baby124:

Where did Benin fight these people? In your dreams? You are claiming Oyo wars as Bini wars. Bini only attempted to fight the British and they were rounded up, with their artifacts stolen and the Oba deposed.

Oyo wars lol....


Lol, i dont blame you, youre probably from kwara
Yoruba muslim, from the north

you're not even yoruba

You should argue for sultan not ooni you have no business with south

Edeyoung:




Oyo wars lol....


Lol, i dont blame you, youre probably from kwara
Yoruba muslim, from the north

you're not even yoruba

You should argue for sultan not ooni you have no business with south

Shut up she’s right. Oyo conquered weak Benin then

Oyo conquered so many places with large landmass areas and that’s part of why the Yoruba everyone speaks now is Oyo

But look at weak Benin, you idiots can’t even influence your neighbours like Esan and others to the extent that everyone speaks different language today in Edo state

Benin is too weak and never conquered anyone which explains the reason why even till today the population of Edo state is not up to Ibadan alone

Keraxes:

Shut up she’s right. Oyo conquered weak Benin then

Oyo conquered so many places with large landmass areas and that’s part of why the Yoruba everyone speaks now is Oyo

But look at weak Benin, you idiots can’t even influence your neighbours like Esan and others to the extent that everyone speaks different language today in Edo state

Benin is too weak and never conquered anyone which explains the reason why even till today the population of Edo state is not up to Ibadan alone

Endsars......

Edeyoung:



Endsars......

Shut up. Always get irritated with the way you Benin idiots make mouth. Your wretched whole Edo state is not even up to Ibadan in population and landmass

Keraxes:

Shut up. Always get irritated with the way you Benin idiots make mouth. Your wretched whole Edo state is not even up to Ibadan in population and landmass

Endsars

Edeyoung:




Endsars

Loved the way u replied him

You’ll easily know this one doesn’t read at all

Keraxes:

Shut up. Always get irritated with the way you Benin idiots make mouth. Your wretched whole Edo state is not even up to Ibadan in population and landmass

Am coming back for u, those statements u made there better correct it, before
I come back or i will have your head on my plate


For now endsars, am on politics thread

Edeyoung:




Am coming back for u, those statements u made there better correct it, before a
I come back or i will have your head on my plate


For now endsars, am on politics thread

Foolish weakling just like your coward ugly wretched foolish oba of Benin

Keraxes:

Foolish weakling just like your coward ugly wretched foolish oba of Benin

Lol, coward calling people coward, jokes in the highest order


Lets talk of oyo and their stinking people especially their women, and their hausa lifestyle
With thier cat wiskers, you can hardly differentiate them from the north, practically they all seems hausas to me, only their language brings the difference i cant even stay in oyo state the state reeks of various odors

Their lucrative business is head hunting for ritualistic purposes to escape proverty

The people are so poor, majourity had to convert to islam to follow the political trend were the muslim hausa were ruling nigeria an act of cowardice of oyo people

It baffles me how you still use population to amount greatness or even land size, lol stupid yoruba boy


I will give you an assignment before you reek yourself with anger and wrong exposition


Compare oyo and edo state together in this categories


Mineral resources
Notable personnel
Igr over the years from 2000 till today
Standard of living


You will now see that your big for nothing state with her population is useless

I compare edo state with the entire yoruba state before we can start talking

Get off my mention, with your stupid angry senless replies

Go and do your research oyo state is a big for nothing state

Edeyoung:



Lol, coward calling people coward, jokes in the highest order


Lets talk of oyo and their stinking people especially their women, and their hausa lifestyle
With thier cat wiskers, you can hardly differentiate them from the north, practically they all seems hausas to me, only their language brings the difference i cant even stay in oyo state the state reeks of various odors

Their lucrative business is head hunting for ritualistic purposes to escape proverty

The people are so poor, majourity had to convert to islam to follow the political trend were the muslim hausa were ruling nigeria an act of cowardice of oyo people

It baffles me how you still use population to amount greatness or even land size, lol stupid yoruba boy


I will give you an assignment before you reek yourself with anger and wrong exposition


Compare oyo and edo state together in this categories


Mineral resources
Notable personnel
Igr over the years from 2000 till today
Standard of living


You will now see that your big for nothing state with her population is useless

I compare edo state with the entire yoruba state before we can start talking

Get off my mention, with your stupid angry senless replies

Go and do your research oyo state is a big for nothing state

Oloriburku omo from foolish oba of Benin lineage

All Edo youths i know are either into armed robbery while their women are into prostitution. Has any good thing ever come out of your wretched Edo state before?

Edo state the most backward state, poor and wretched indigenes all over the state

Olofo do me a favour to check the igr of the first quarter released some days ago by nbs to check the igr of Oyo state and Edo state

Oyo state ranks no 6 while your poor wretched ugly Edo ranked 10th. Most Edo youths are wretched dirty with low self esteem just as like their weak coward smelling oba of Benin

I’m sure your mother and your sisters are in Italy doing olosho work servicing blacks and whites with their stinking smelling borehole pussy. E sure me say i go don Bleep your stupid mother before even though una ugly foolish women they get body odour, pussy odour

Imagine Edo women having both body odour and pussy odour

Incase low Iq Benin demented idiot don’t know,

Civilisation today in Nigeria started from Oyo state with first state to host tv station, first private tv station, first university, first university college hospital at the time when your idiotic oba of Benin was roaming the streets with clothes awolowo sent to him from the money we realised from exploring resources in your dead Edo state then

Need i remind you that Edo state resources was part of the resources we used to develop western Nigeria then because we know how weak, shallow, cowardly, low self esteem Edo youths are and I’m glad we exploited you riots then with your state resources

Show me an handsome Benin man, I’ll send 50,000 to your account now now or prove to me that your smello mother has stopped prostitution

It's really obvious that there exist a big space of hatred in your heart towards the Benin's.
What really your definition of civilization? U made mention of low intelligence quotient(IQ) and low self esteem,I blv Alaffin of Oyo is a patient to that illness,y such an old man and his household dey bleach,probably the gods order him to?, or he was ashame of his original skin colour (low self esteem)?

All over the world Benin is still been refer to as an ancient city the cradle of black civilization and u come here to claim glory of the copy and paste civilisation of a western television, u also mention how the then Western region exploited Benin to their own advantage.u are so funny, b4 d coming of the white man system of govt who exploited who, as far as otun in ekiti,where was Oy0,y e no protect his brother's...

Go to European university or even American university mention the Alaffin of Oyo and Oba of Benin and observe a neutral response

Keraxes:

Oloriburku omo from foolish oba of Benin lineage

All Edo youths i know are either into armed robbery while their women are into prostitution. Has any good thing ever come out of your wretched Edo state before?

Edo state the most backward state, poor and wretched indigenes all over the state

Olofo do me a favour to check the igr of the first quarter released some days ago by nbs to check the igr of Oyo state and Edo state th

Oyo state ranks no 6 while your poor wretched ugly Edo ranked 10th. Most Edo youths are wretched dirty with low self esteem just as like their weak coward smelling oba of Benin

I’m sure your mother and your sisters are in Italy doing olosho work servicing blacks and whites with their stinking smelling borehole pussy. E sure me say i go don Bleep your stupid mother before even though una ugly foolish women they get body odour, pussy odour

Imagine Edo women having both body odour and pussy odour

Incase low Iq Benin demented idiot don’t know,

Civilisation today in Nigeria started from Oyo state with first state to host tv station, first private tv station, first university, first university college hospital at the time when your idiotic oba of Benin was roaming the streets with clothes awolowo sent to him from the money we realised from exploring resources in your dead Edo state then

Need i remind you that Edo state resources was part of the resources we used to develop western Nigeria then because we know how weak, shallow, cowardly, low self esteem Edo youths are and I’m glad we exploited you riots then with your state resources

Show me an handsome Benin man, I’ll send 50,000 to your account now now or prove to me that your smello mother has stopped prostitution

@ Op y use kingdom for Benin or was Benin not an empire?

Dartilo:
It's really obvious that there exist a big space of hatred in your heart towards the Benin's.
What really your definition of civilization? U made mention of low intelligence quotient(IQ) and low self esteem,I blv Alaffin of Oyo is a patient to that illness,y such an old man and his household dey bleach,probably the gods order him to?, or he was ashame of his original skin colour (low self esteem)?

All over the world Benin is still been refer to as an ancient city the cradle of black civilization and u come here to claim glory of the copy and paste civilisation of a western television, u also mention how the then Western region exploited Benin to their own advantage.u are so funny, b4 d coming of the white man system of govt who exploited who, as far as otun in ekiti,where was Oy0,y e no protect his brother's...

Go to European university or even American university mention the Alaffin of Oyo and Oba of Benin and observe a neutral response

Just shut that your smelling mouth just like that of oba of Benin

Benin and civilization can never be used in the same sentence

As you can see the records are there, first tv station, first private tv, first university, first university teaching hospital, first research institute, first dualized road.

All these started right in Ibadan in Oyo state

No one knows your foolish oba of Benin apart from deranged myopic oloriburuku idiots from Edo state like you and alayebaje edeyoung. Your oba of Benin controls just 500,000 people at most and no one regards him outside Edo state unlike the great Alafin of Oyo

Just tell me one good thing backward Edo state and the weak inconsequential Benin is known for. Just mention one thing aside armed robbery(Benin trademark) and prostitution

Even cultism idiotic Benin youths like you do today started in Ibadan but people in Ibadan are wise to drop of cultism unlike low iq Edo indigenes who are proud cultists which validates that typical Edo youth is senseless just as their inconsequential olofo elenu shipoti alayebaje oba of Benin

Other youths dey find money, Edo youth still Dey do cultism

Keraxes:

Oloriburku omo from foolish oba of Benin lineage

All Edo youths i know are either into armed robbery while their women are into prostitution. Has any good thing ever come out of your wretched Edo state before?

Edo state the most backward state, poor and wretched indigenes all over the state

Olofo do me a favour to check the igr of the first quarter released some days ago by nbs to check the igr of Oyo state and Edo state

Oyo state ranks no 6 while your poor wretched ugly Edo ranked 10th. Most Edo youths are wretched dirty with low self esteem just as like their weak coward smelling oba of Benin

I’m sure your mother and your sisters are in Italy doing olosho work servicing blacks and whites with their stinking smelling borehole pussy. E sure me say i go don Bleep your stupid mother before even though una ugly foolish women they get body odour, pussy odour

Imagine Edo women having both body odour and pussy odour

Incase low Iq Benin demented idiot don’t know,

Civilisation today in Nigeria started from Oyo state with first state to host tv station, first private tv station, first university, first university college hospital at the time when your idiotic oba of Benin was roaming the streets with clothes awolowo sent to him from the money we realised from exploring resources in your dead Edo state then

Need i remind you that Edo state resources was part of the resources we used to develop western Nigeria then because we know how weak, shallow, cowardly, low self esteem Edo youths are and I’m glad we exploited you riots then with your state resources

Show me an handsome Benin man, I’ll send 50,000 to your account now now or prove to me that your smello mother has stopped prostitution

Lol, sometimes you yorubas think youre arguing with benins and not igbos so you argue anyhow and get whipped by benin people .....

Is it not obvious election expenditures brought our igr down, did you check d previous record of igr between benin and oyo

Did you check the notable people from both state


Ok see benin fine guys i would have love to share mine but your sister may fall inlove, wish i would regret because i learnt yoruba women and children are dirty....

The popular johnny drille
Brighto from bbn 3rd pics
Rema

Show me from oyo state and also show me any lady who is not dirty from oyo

Keraxes:

Just shut that your smelling mouth just like that of oba of Benin

Benin and civilization can never be used in the same sentence

As you can see the records are there, first tv station, first private tv, first university, first university teaching hospital, first research institute, first dualized road.

All these started right in Ibadan in Oyo state

No one knows your foolish oba of Benin apart from deranged myopic oloriburuku idiots from Edo state like you and alayebaje edeyoung. Your oba of Benin controls just 500,000 people at most and no one regards him outside Edo state unlike the great Alafin of Oyo

Just tell me one good thing backward Edo state and the weak inconsequential Benin is known for. Just mention one thing aside armed robbery(Benin trademark) and prostitution

Even cultism idiotic Benin youths like you do today started in Ibadan but people in Ibadan are wise to drop of cultism unlike low iq Edo indigenes who are proud cultists which validates that typical Edo youth is senseless just as their inconsequential olofo elenu shipoti alayebaje oba of Benin

Other youths dey find money, Edo youth still Dey do cultism

Lol, and how have those first tv, first mess, first shit get oyo to today, it was even d British and nigeria that made that oyo what it was, it was not self made like the benin people did


Benin had first storey building
First church in nigeria
First city to use street light in africa for her roa

Dont get me started

End sars

Ooh it's has been added

Keraxes:

Just shut that your smelling mouth just like that of oba of Benin

Benin and civilization can never be used in the same sentence

As you can see the records are there, first tv station, first private tv, first university, first university teaching hospital, first research institute, first dualized road.

All these started right in Ibadan in Oyo state

No one knows your foolish oba of Benin apart from deranged myopic oloriburuku idiots from Edo state like you and alayebaje edeyoung. Your oba of Benin controls just 500,000 people at most and no one regards him outside Edo state unlike the great Alafin of Oyo

Just tell me one good thing backward Edo state and the weak inconsequential Benin is known for. Just mention one thing aside armed robbery(Benin trademark) and prostitution

Even cultism idiotic Benin youths like you do today started in Ibadan but people in Ibadan are wise to drop of cultism unlike low iq Edo indigenes who are proud cultists which validates that typical Edo youth is senseless just as their inconsequential olofo elenu shipoti alayebaje oba of Benin

Other youths dey find money, Edo youth still Dey do cultism