Like if it is Nigeria, we would have heard anything about it?   Common to prosecute looters/criminals na wahala.  The story keeps changing and changing---in favour of the highest bidder or deepest pockets or widest pair of legs!!! You can never verify anything even with all the spiritualists living on every street corner.

Need I recount the sordid stories from my maternal uncles--who survived the Biafran war, on how some certain soldiers of the Nigerian army--used to round up males from the Eastern part of Nigeria and give them cement mixed in water to drink and send them on their way to die in the bushes after the calcification process had done its job of knotting up their intestines.  Or holding down male subjects and inserting broom sticks into their urethras so they could not urinate till death, having broken off the broom stick half way inside the urethra.

Or what they did to the women of these men that were captured.  Not fit to be re-printed!  So you see "Waterboarding" is a piece of cake.

How soon we forget!

I say to each his own jare!!!  Till today, I know there are still some heinous crimes committed in Nigeria in the name of torture.  I think Fela died of one of such regiments--but who can verify?

May be we should have Nigerian police investigate this issue!

Big B1:

May be we should have Nigerian police to investigate this issue!

LMAO!!!

I bet you, EHINDERO will jump out of retirement with full force like a white santa claus ( anything for money).

My good friend Kobo(dollar)junkie it will interest me if you can check out this link.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071213/pl_nm/security_usa_torture_dc

The Democratic-led House of Representatives voted on Thursday to outlaw harsh interrogation methods, such as simulated drowning, that the CIA has used against suspected terrorists.

On a 222-199 vote, the House approved a measure to require intelligence agents to comply with the Army Field Manual, which meets the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of war prisoners and prohibits torture

See how that shows that before now, it was not OUTLAWED but considered by some to be torture and not all persons?? I hope you read it all too cause I am glad you are the one who posted the link yourself. Notice that

1) the vote was 222 to 199, meaning that not all persons agreed with it being torture and

2) not all persons considered it to be against the law. and if you note, it does not say ONLY THE REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST IT AND ALL DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR THE BAN?? So I see no reason why this would be made a Bush administration only issue as if other americans can not take a hardline on issues without it being about bush.

3) This happened today

Kobojunkie:


See how that shows that before now, it was not OUTLAWED but considered by some to be torture and not all persons?? I hope you read it all too cause I am glad you are the one who posted the link yourself. Notice that the vote was 222 to 199, meaning that not all persons agreed with it being torture and 2) not all persons considered it to be against the law. and if you note, it does not say ONLY THE REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST IT AND ALL DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR THE BAN?? So I see no reason why this would be made a Bush administration only issue as if other americans can not take a hardline on issues without it being about bush.

Now that is has been OUTLAWED, I hope it settles the legal aspect to this!

Waterboarding, just like any other form of torture, is ILLEGAL in the United States!!!

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, BIGB1 exemplify what a disfunctional family is all about.

I wonder if your tootheless father didn't steal from Nigerian treasury. Where will you be today? Selling roasted corn with KULI KULI> DAN ISKA YARO

Big B1:

I bet you, EHINDERO will jump out of retirement with full force like a white santa claus ( anything for money).

Mamajama:

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, BIGB1 exemplify what a disfunctional family is all about.

I wonder if your tootheless father didn't steal from Nigerian treasury. Where will you be today? Selling roasted corn with KULI KULI> DAN ISKA YARO

He he he he he he he he he he he heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! I laff so teyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! I pass out!

And the saga continues!

On this waterboarding issue:

This seems to be the only area i support the Bush Administration. The fight agaisnt terror should be a fight to defend the country. It should not be a fight to attack other countries. That is why i do not support the war.

A similar question was raised during the democratic debate in Nevada: Which of human rights and national security was more important? You dont respect human rights for those who you suspect is out to harm your country. As far as i'm concerned, as long as the waterboarding is done in American soil or American territory, then no problem because it is for national security. You dont treat people who had the guts to attack the Wall trade center with kid gloves. This is the same reason i support the death penalty: anyway that does not respect life deserves not to live. Where is the human rights in terror attacks. as such terrorists deserves terror.

EmekaNaija:

On this waterboarding issue:

This seems to be the only area i support the Bush Administration. The fight agaisnt terror should be a fight to defend the country. It should not be a fight to attack other countries. That is why i do not support the war.

A similar question was raised during the democratic debate in Nevada: Which of human rights and national security was more important? You don't respect human rights for those who you suspect is out to harm your country. As far as i'm concerned, as long as the waterboarding is done in American soil or American territory, then no problem because it is for national security. You don't treat people who had the guts to attack the Wall trade center with kid gloves. This is the same reason i support the death penalty: anyway that does not respect life deserves not to live. Where is the human rights in terror attacks. as such terrorists deserves terror.

I concur. I don't believe I will spare the man who comes with the intention of causing me harm. I will do to him more than waterboarding could ever do to his brain and I stand by that.

Kobojunkie:

I concur. I don't believe I will spare the man who comes with the intention of causing me harm. I will do to him more than waterboarding could ever do to his brain and I stand by that.

Then dont sign to Geneva convention. I beleive you were the person who said that Ceding bakassi to camamroun will stand cos nigeria signed to obey the rulling of ICJ. Didn't US signed to keep the agreement on Geneva convention which forbids torture? Double Standard

You concur means that Waterboarding is Torture

presido1:

Then don't sign to Geneva convention. I beleive you were the person who said that Ceding bakassi to camamroun will stand because nigeria signed to obey the rulling of ICJ. Didn't US signed to keep the agreement on Geneva convention which forbids torture? Double Standard

You concur means that Waterboarding is Torture

I Think you had better get your fact right @presido1. I am getting tired of feeding you information that you already should know by now. No where in the Geneva convention is WATERBOARDING actually listed explicitly as a torture method. It has been however[b] used as an interrogation technique[/b] in America and was not considered or listed as torture method but as an interogation technique, which the geneva convention is not against, and continued until 2 or so years ago. Trying to make an issue of it now as if the USA has always had it listed as torture but refused to obey it's own law is ridiculous.  That is why it has not been listed as being Illegal in the United states up until thursday. If Murder was not listed as being against the law, do you think people would be prosecuted when they commit murder?? answer would be NO but since it is listed as being ILLEGAL then and only then can people be prosecuted for murder as a crime. You can not just go around willy-nilly labeling things crimes just cause you can not handle it even though the law of the land does not say it is. Again, please read up on the issue and know what the debate was really about .

By the way, the ICT agreement is not same as the Geneva agreement. If you actually spent time reading up the two, you would realize how those two are different. Another thing you should note is that not all the countries that signed the Geneva agreement are keeping to the terms of the agreement so trying to single out America is another ridiculous move.


I concur means, personally, I would not spare any man torture who comes to torture me. Just cause America signs geneva convention does not mean ALL AMERICANS BELIEVE TORTURE IS EVIL. READ,  PLEase People,  READ and use your heads. The Geneva convention does not reWrite the Thinking of ALL Human beings who sign it. Many Countries that sign it, sign it Begrudgingly Does not mean they BELIEVE personally that suddenly Torture is BAD, but they mostly agree it is for their best interest to sign such. I am assuming I am discussing here with adults who have full faculty intact.


The mere fact that the vote to list waterboarding having as many as 199 votes against should give you a clue into the fact that not all persons accept it still as torture but because of the democratic process have allowed their view be overriden in the eye of the law cause they lost out. What has my saying I concur mean I believe waterboarding is torture?? Isn't that the silliest conclusion one could ever reach in here

presido1:

Then don't sign to Geneva convention. I beleive you were the person who said that Ceding bakassi to camamroun will stand because nigeria signed to obey the rulling of ICJ. Didn't US signed to keep the agreement on Geneva convention which forbids torture? Double Standard

You concur means that Waterboarding is Torture

@presido1,
Your observation is accurate!

The kind of twisted logic being exhibited by the "I like America pass my papa and mama" crowd is mind-boggling. Is it only terrorists that can potentially do harm to a nation? How about enemy soldiers during a time of war? The Japanese struck Pearl Harbor. So, America would have tortured all Japanese POWs?

I pity America the next time it goes to war with an able enemy. Not the rag-tagged Taliban, or the sanctioned-crippled Iraq it fought against. When their GIs are waterboarded on TV and the executioner-in-chief reminds the viewers that America already assured the world that waterboarding is not torture, I'll be eager to see the reaction on the face of the scumbags who are now supporting this nonsense.

Here we go , I finally got the chance to do what I wanted to since you leveled the Bakassi claim against me @Presido1

Your claim that I took a stand on the Bakassi issue made me go back to read my posts to find out how you came to that claim and since I did not find the post where I stated what you claim I did, I need your help in finding out where I claimed that Bakassi should keep the quarters@Presido1 > I have told you over and over about misquoting me in here. I would seriously rather you ignore my posts than to come up with misquotes. It is one of the ultimate forms of rudeness!!

Well, Does this mean that Cameroun is no longer going to fight for the land or something. All I know is before the agreement during ObJ's time, it was war down that way. After the incident where 20 camerounians were killed only a couple of weeks ago, we now have this?? WOW, wonderful timing we have over there !!!

LMAO!!!!! I love the way people keep pointing to AMERICA as their SYMBOL in one case !! We are talking BAKASSI and CAMEROUN. What has it to do with what happens with america?? WHy in the world would you compare the two at all?? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO, WHAT THE HECK? Well, I guess the Nigerian people, after decades of squabbles still want more fighting in that region. WOW, !! Na wa ooo

You really think the INTERNATIONALS will be in on this one THIS TIME?? This situation has been going on for decades now and they looked away mostly and you believe now they will suddenly care what africa will do with it's own?? Please, let us focus. All this attention seeking is not helping. Look at the numbers of africans killed off each year like rats, all over the continent and you might see that the internationals really have come to accept that africans are just ants who enjoy killing off each other and they just stand in the distance and allow us. Millions are killed each year in africa in WAR, TrIBAL meaningless wars over and over and over. That is why I find it disgusting when africa points an accusing finger at international nations. If another war breaks out in that zone, God rest the soul of those who will suffer. If Not, ONLY God can save us.

We are a Freaking Nigerian, NO WHERE near Ghana, let alone trying to compare ourselves and our lifestyle and laws to that of the USA, harboring some delusions of grandeur. Stick to your level and you might actually see things as they really are please. This has nothing to do with USA but africa where there are tribes and peoples of so many different cultures. jeeeezzzzz

WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS NOT NECESSARILY GOOD FOR THE GANDER !

ONE MAN'S MEAT IS ANOTHER MAN'S POISON

Interesting claim @Mdsocks, the post of only about 5 people represent the whole country?? Na wa oo, so basically if 5 hausas came in to say that Bakassi belongs to cameroun, we should take it that Nigerians have spoken?

Many of those in the affected area of the country or many of those in areas that are not even close to the affected area??

You have edited it b4 pasting, do u think we are kids?

presido1:

You have edited it before pasting, do u think we are kids?

YOu are joking right ?? Please go back and REPOST the very claims you claim I made or call the dude who runs this Forum to show how I edited it according to you . I am beginning to think all you like to do is level baseless claims against people. Again, please repost the posts that you claim I MADE.

presido1:

You have edited it before pasting, do u think we are kids?

I am waiting cause I believe leveling claim after claim against persons is the highest form of rudeness. I need you to show me where in my posts I modified anything since you claim you read it before the claimed modification. I know went through all the posts on Bakassi and not a single place did I explicitly claim to be for Cameroon taking it over. so please I am waiting!!

You know he cannot, so why bother?

How can i post what has been edited?

presido1:

How can i post what has been edited?

I am sure you can read. Look at the posts. Spot which has been edited and then contact the Administrator and get proof that it was edited or accept that you just enjoy making things up and expecting people to believe you cause you say so without proof of any sort.

You are an adult. Why even level claims without posting the support for these claims if you know that editing the posts would be an option You have done this over and over and over now and to be honest, I almost have a complete picture of you as a 16 year old with issues with access to a computer cause of the way you continually make claims without backup. Please wise up already and if you have nothing substantial at least do not post your claims at all.