Ihedinobi:

Look, MacDaddy, do you even know what has happened over the past two days? I won't be answering you again. So, I'll explain to you what has happened.

You challenged the God and Owner of Heaven and Earth to a test of Intelligences. And you proved incredibly foolish and abominably ignorant before His Wisdom. You dared to say that you had a better formula for creation and came up empty when the formula was demanded of you.

You insist that you are wiser than the God of the Bible, the Fountain of all Knowledge, and have since you were put to the test been pleading ignorance.

You have been shown for the fraud that you are. Whether you accept that or not is up to you and will decide whether things begin to get better and turn around for you. You are a tin god. You are nothing but empty air. You are worth far less than the space you take up. You cannot even keep your head up in a debate involving basic science about issues you claim understanding in.

But even though you are a nothing, even though you are a joke, even though you have dared the God Who made you, you are loved. The One against Whom you raise your voice not only spares you but calls you. He has borne your pain and disgrace. He has taken all that is rightly due you so that you can be free of the suffocating burden of yourself and live in His Freedom.

He offers a new, opened and unrestricted intellect to you. He offers true moral freedom to you. He offers true peace to you. He offers true fellowship to you. He calls you to Freedom, not to Bondage and Rules. He calls you to Life, not mere existence. And He calls you by name, MacDaddy, for He knows you and knows where you live.

Hell is not His offer to you and He does not ask you to escape it either. He tells you to taste and see that He is good. Hell is where you are right now, not merely where you're going. It is not where you will end up that is the beginning of the Gospel but where you are today. You can know total release today. It need not wait. He calls you today.

Your name's Phillip, right? I am asking nothing more of you than to prove practically and experientially for yourself whether Jesus Christ is good or not. Let go this heavy weight that is crushing you and driving you to attack the One Who sustains you in spite of your enmity against Him. Come home. Your Father awaits you.

Ihedinobi: @cyrexx

Where've you been, dude? You just stood back and let MacDaddy make a capital fool of himself. Didn't even try to help him. Where's your humanity? Anybody who's got any brains in their head would see that we took it real easy with him. His last comments on geometric and exponential progressions aren't even laughable. He just stripped himself of every respect due to a possessor of human intellect with very little help from us and you made no effort to even help him a bit. Now that I offer him a chance to stop embarrassing himself, you waltz in to prevent him from taking it.

MacDaddy will probably try this foolishness again elsewhere, and on nairaland too, and capable children of God will tear his logic apart and expose his reason for the unreason that it is. You still won't try to help him then, will you?

The brotherhood you atheists display among yourselves is amazing. If this fool that wrestled with us had real friends and brothers among you, he'd have already been pulled out of his self-destruction. Or at least, some brother humanist would have warned him here. MusKeeto did, but I didn't see you. And you were one of his extolling crew. That's just a shame.

Science vs. literalism

Some Christians believe all humans did not descend from a historical Adam and Eve; saying that the field of human genetics indicates this concept is impossible. Genetic evidence indicates humans descended from a group of at least 10,000 people due to the amount of human genetic variation. If all humans descended from two individuals several thousand years ago, it would require an impossibly high mutation rate to account for the observed variation. This has caused some literalists to move away from a literal interpretation and belief in creation myth. While others continue to believe in what they see as a fundamental doctrine of the Christian faith.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_eve#Science_vs._literalism

davidylan: With regard to the alleged "logicboy effect", it really isnt new. There are very many nominal christians walking around today who are merely card-carrying members of a "religion" they know very little about. Like the parable of the sower explicitly tells us, they are the type who have precious little grounding in the bible... they are the type who substitute genuine heartfelt spirituality with a social club that is heavy on vain philosophy and religious slogans. They are the ones who waste bandwidth posting the latest churchy motto from their pastor on sundays while ignoring the weightier matters of the gospel. Test them with a little pain and they are more than ready to turn their backs on a Jesus who they view as no more than a lottery machine.
For them, christianity is merely an avenue to a life of "prosperity" promised them by wolves in sheep's clothing who merely use the bible as a route to milking the ignorant dry.

A real child of God knows better than to be knocked around by the clearly ignorant bleating of atheists who hang their hopes on a "science" they are just too illiterate about.

Ihedinobi:

I couldn't have put it as well as you did, my brother. Where've you been? I've kinda missed you around these parts.

davidylan:

thanks bro. I just had to stop by here today to check on my dear macdaddy and his shenanigans.
New job, higher responsibilities... hence time for NL has shrunk to just a few minutes here and there on weekends. I see you and anony are doing a more than capable job schooling our favorite hypocrites here... may God bless your efforts.

davidylan: With regard to the alleged "logicboy effect", it really isnt new. There are very many nominal christians walking around today who are merely card-carrying members of a "religion" they know very little about. Like the parable of the sower explicitly tells us, they are the type who have precious little grounding in the bible... they are the type who substitute genuine heartfelt spirituality with a social club that is heavy on vain philosophy and religious slogans. They are the ones who waste bandwidth posting the latest churchy motto from their pastor on sundays while ignoring the weightier matters of the gospel. Test them with a little pain and they are more than ready to turn their backs on a Jesus who they view as no more than a lottery machine.
For them, christianity is merely an avenue to a life of "prosperity" promised them by wolves in sheep's clothing who merely use the bible as a route to milking the ignorant dry.

A real child of God knows better than to be knocked around by the clearly ignorant bleating of atheists who hang their hopes on a "science" they are just too illiterate about.

Ihedinobi: @cyrexx

Where've you been, dude?

Ihedinobi: You just stood back and let MacDaddy make a capital fool of himself. Didn't even try to help him.

Ihedinobi:
Where's your humanity?

Anybody who's got any brains in their head would see that we took it real easy with him. His last comments on geometric and exponential progressions aren't even laughable. He just stripped himself of every respect due to a possessor of human intellect with very little help from us and you made no effort to even help him a bit. Now that I offer him a chance to stop embarrassing himself, you waltz in to prevent him from taking it.

MacDaddy will probably try this foolishness again elsewhere, and on nairaland too, and capable children of God will tear his logic apart and expose his reason for the unreason that it is. You still won't try to help him then, will you?

The brotherhood you atheists display among yourselves is amazing. If this fool that wrestled with us had real friends and brothers among you, he'd have already been pulled out of his self-destruction. Or at least, some brother humanist would have warned him here. MusKeeto did, but I didn't see you. And you were one of his extolling crew. That's just a shame.

MacDaddy01: This is good. The christians are showing their true colours here!


Lets see who really used logic and commonsense in this debate;

1) Ihedinobi was trying to argue that Adam and Eve repopulated the world in 6000 years. (Something that has been proven wrong by science http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve#Science_vs._literalism )

2) Ihedinobi was trying to argue that there would be no genetic defects from Adam and Eve's later offsprings from their inbreeding.



So those are the two arguments

For the first argument, we argued about the numbers

a) I said that it is more likely to be an arithmethic progression from two people. Using certain assumptions (considering how many offsprings added in each generation etc), you wouldnt arrive at 7 billion.

b) Anony used a geometric progression. This fails from the very beginning because it would always give an unrealistically high number. 1 billion people in china will turn to two billion in a common ratio of at least 2 in the next sequence. A geometric progression can never work no matter how you fiddle with the numbers


C) Ihedinobi supported Anony until he did research for a day to find out that scientists use exponential progression. He was wrong (supporting anony and then changed his mind.


That everyone seems to forget is that the scientists that use exponential growth do not start with the assumption of two people. Even exponential progression has its limitations and it is used with certain assumptions. I used an arithmetic progression since we were starting from 2 people and it was a far better measure than a geometric progression.



A word for the wise.

This is why they say arguing with fools makes one stupid.

Purist: @cyrexx:

lol, you forgot to add the clearest of them all (which strangely, Christians on this board ALWAYS seem to ignore so happily):

Matthew 5:22
"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

MacDaddy01: This is good. The christians are showing their true colours here!


Lets see who really used logic and commonsense in this debate;

1) Ihedinobi was trying to argue that Adam and Eve repopulated the world in 6000 years. (Something that has been proven wrong by science http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve#Science_vs._literalism )

2) Ihedinobi was trying to argue that there would be no genetic defects from Adam and Eve's later offsprings from their inbreeding.



So those are the two arguments

For the first argument, we argued about the numbers

a) I said that it is more likely to be an arithmethic progression from two people. Using certain assumptions (considering how many offsprings added in each generation etc), you wouldnt arrive at 7 billion.

b) Anony used a geometric progression. This fails from the very beginning because it would always give an unrealistically high number. 1 billion people in china will turn to two billion in a common ratio of at least 2 in the next sequence. A geometric progression can never work no matter how you fiddle with the numbers


C) Ihedinobi supported Anony until he did research for a day to find out that scientists use exponential progression. He was wrong (supporting anony and then changed his mind.


That everyone seems to forget is that the scientists that use exponential growth do not start with the assumption of two people. Even exponential progression has its limitations and it is used with certain assumptions. I used an arithmetic progression since we were starting from 2 people and it was a far better measure than a geometric progression.



A word for the wise.

This is why they say arguing with fools makes one stupid.

davidylan: With regard to the alleged "logicboy effect", it really isnt new. There are very many nominal christians walking around today who are merely card-carrying members of a "religion" they know very little about. Like the parable of the sower explicitly tells us, they are the type who have precious little grounding in the bible... they are the type who substitute genuine heartfelt spirituality with a social club that is heavy on vain philosophy and religious slogans. They are the ones who waste bandwidth posting the latest churchy motto from their pastor on sundays while ignoring the weightier matters of the gospel. Test them with a little pain and they are more than ready to turn their backs on a Jesus who they view as no more than a lottery machine.
For them, christianity is merely an avenue to a life of "prosperity" promised them by wolves in sheep's clothing who merely use the bible as a route to milking the ignorant dry.

A real child of God knows better than to be knocked around by the clearly ignorant bleating of atheists who hang their hopes on a "science" they are just too illiterate about.

MacDaddy01: This is good. The christians are showing their true colours here!


Lets see who really used logic and commonsense in this debate;

1) Ihedinobi was trying to argue that Adam and Eve repopulated the world in 6000 years. (Something that has been proven wrong by science http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve#Science_vs._literalism )

2) Ihedinobi was trying to argue that there would be no genetic defects from Adam and Eve's later offsprings from their inbreeding.



So those are the two arguments

For the first argument, we argued about the numbers

a) I said that it is more likely to be an arithmethic progression from two people. Using certain assumptions (considering how many offsprings added in each generation etc), you wouldnt arrive at 7 billion.

b) Anony used a geometric progression. This fails from the very beginning because it would always give an unrealistically high number. 1 billion people in china will turn to two billion in a common ratio of at least 2 in the next sequence. A geometric progression can never work no matter how you fiddle with the numbers


C) Ihedinobi supported Anony until he did research for a day to find out that scientists use exponential progression. He was wrong (supporting anony and then changed his mind.


That everyone seems to forget is that the scientists that use exponential growth do not start with the assumption of two people. Even exponential progression has its limitations and it is used with certain assumptions. I used an arithmetic progression since we were starting from 2 people and it was a far better measure than a geometric progression.



A word for the wise.

This is why they say arguing with fools makes one stupid.

mazaje:

I have been following the debate and laughing on the side lines, if you had made this point earlier on the ridiculous back and forth would have ended.

cyrexx:

ive been busy lately doing some business here and there. but nothing can take away my sweet addiction to nairaland. its too sweet a habit to kick and im so loving it. BTW, thanxx for asking after me. its appreciated. thats humanity.




hmmm. i think he's doing quite well overall. you anti-atheist bias makes you ignore his sound points and you capitalise on his human errors and you would rather attack his person with every slightest opportunity. i would say this is a persecution that atheists have to face in our religion-dominated society. no problem, its all good.






@ bolded

WOW. i can see that you are turning the way of davidylan. i can start engaging you in foul languages if i so desire. but i wont, at least for now. lets just engage in meaningful conversation for now. aight?

you asked me: where is my humanity? now i'm asking you: where is your spirituality?

remember you said we non-believrs are going to eternal hell, do you want to join us in hell with your foul mouth and abusive languages? (even though some non-believers are morally far better than you christians)

let me remind you what the bible says.

Ephesians 4:29: Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

James 3:10 From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.

Colossians 4:6 Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.

Matthew 15:10-11 And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”

NOW LISTEN AND LISTEN WELL

Matthew 12:36 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak


James 2:10 For the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God's laws.

1 Cor 6:9-10 Don't you know that those who do wrong will have NO share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who Indulge in Sexuall Sin, who are Idol Worshipers, Adulterers, Male Prostitutes, Homosexuals, Thieves, Greedy people, Drunkards, Abusers, and Swindlers—NONE OF THESE will have a share in the KINGDOM OF GOD.



so before you verbally attack an atheist in your "anti-humanity" crusade.
think twice. so that you dont descend so low so as to fall in the same category as the people you are condemning to hell.

cheers.

mazaje:

Mr literate "scientist", where is your own scientific evidence that shows that humans came from two people adam and eve? Where is it?. . .Where is your own scieitific mathematical equation that shows that the whole earth started from 2 people 6000 years ago? Until you provide that you have no reason to talk about logic boy not knowing anything about science. . .The funny thing with people like you is that you KNOW very well that your religion belief are based on mythical stories and thoughts thats why in one sentence you talk about christianity as a religion that is based on faith and not reason or evidence but then in another sentence you try to show that it is based on reason.Put up or shut up. . .

davidylan:

to be honest, for once i really could care less to provide you with "evidence". I merely pass by here these days. Feel free to not believe... it doesnt stop me from having dinner tomorrow.

MacDaddy01:



You cant provide evidence yet you feel you need to stretch your religious fingers and type nonsense condemning other who put forth evidence?


#hypocritical mofo

davidylan:

1. i am under no obligation to provide you with "evidence". Feel free to disbelieve whatever you wish.
2. Read my first post here... 99% of it was directed at wishy-washy christians and not you. You and your likes are not worth the waste of time. Good luck.

cyrexx:
hmmm. i think he's doing quite well overall. you anti-atheist bias makes you ignore his sound points and you capitalise on his human errors and you would rather attack his person with every slightest opportunity. i would say this is a persecution that atheists have to face in our religion-dominated society. no problem, its all good.

@ bolded

WOW. i can see that you are turning the way of davidylan. i can start engaging you in foul languages if i so desire. but i wont, at least for now. lets just engage in meaningful conversation for now. aight?

you asked me: where is my humanity? now i'm asking you: where is your spirituality?

remember you said we non-believrs are going to eternal hell, do you want to join us in hell with your foul mouth and abusive languages? (even though some non-believers are morally far better than you christians)

let me remind you what the bible says.

so before you verbally attack an atheist in your "anti-humanity" crusade.
think twice. so that you dont descend so low so as to fall in the same category as the people you are condemning to hell.

cheers.

MacDaddy01:

Yet, you came to comment more than once in a thread dedicated to logicboy.

Why does logicboy make religionists act erroneously? Is it the atheist swag?

Go troll somewhere else, Davidyliar

Ihedinobi:

As for saying that MacDaddy was right, I think that officially declares that even if you once truly sought to know the truth, you do not anymore. Permit me, if you please, to show you the extent of MacDaddy's, yes, idiocy. The young man declares that I, in saying that the method employed in mathematically working out population dynamics is the exponential progression method, did an aboutface. Are you agreeing with him that exponential progression is different from geometric progression? That would really cast doubt on the substance and quality of both your education and your intelligence.

Ihedinobi: MacDaddy, your foolishness is rank. I ignored you out of pity but you have no pity for yourself. What kind of foolishness is this that holds in this tight grip of self-destruction?

Where in that whole debate did you make any cogent argument? The only thing worth credit was your pointing out that whatever the population, mates had to be accounted for since they couldn't come from outside the family. When I answered that what did you say? "Sophistry is another name for well-packaged BS", remember? In other words, you had no arguments against my answer.

You are a rabid, blind God-hater, man. You do not want or care for Truth. If you did, you'd give every argument merit until they failed of worthiness.

You're unlucky that I'm not dealing with your arguments holistically. I was playing with you. If I had taken you seriously. . . Anyhow, I didn't and every sensible person who reads the debate will leave knowing what a fool you are and how unworthy you are to be considered any kind of positive influence. If you have a following, they're made up of fools just like you.