Fluffy,

Going back through the post, I realise you refer to God as a male. This is absolutely not true. Read my post above from 'The Last Outcast'. God is not male, but God is a man. These are two different concepts. Man means the whole, while male has to do with sex.

I'm sorry now you've completely lost me

wht a question!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God da father, da son n da holy[b] Spirit[/b]!!!!!!!

Hey Fluffy (I like your name),

Here is my earlier post. I hope it eases your confusion.

“…, At about seven o’clock, each group began to address the Council on its findings. Eight of the ten groups were of the opinion the minister is a representative of God, and since God is a man, it would be against divine revelation to ordain a woman as a church minister. The ninth group, made up of delegates from Africa and Asia, were then called to present their position.

Sam Uyota rose from his seat and approached the podium. There was a short round of applause, which ended when he took the microphone.”

“My Lord and your excellencies. My name is Sam Uyota. I am a delegate from Africa and I have been asked to speak for my group.” There was another short round of applause. “The matter before the Council is a very simple one. The Bible gives us a clear answer to the question we have been asking ourselves all day. I think the issue here is not whether women should be ordained or not but whether God is a man or a woman. Most of the groups have agreed that God is a man. I say also that God is a man.” There was another round of applause. He stood still for a while, not saying anything but just staring into space. There was an uneasy silence. After a while, he continued to speak.

“I say with emphasis however, that God is not male. The concept of manhood was introduced in the Book of Genesis, in the second chapter. Before then, the Lord had said, ‘It is not good that Adam should be alone,’ for so the original language testifies. Most of the bibles in our hands have translated that verse thus, “It is not good that the man should be alone,’ but if it is understood that the word for man, ish, is not found in the Bible until the 22nd verse of the second chapter of the Book of Genesis, then the confusion will disappear immediately. What did God mean when He made that statement?” He paused again for a moment. There was silence in the hall.

“Did He mean that Adam was lonely? We, as bible teachers, know that could not be possible, for Adam was perfectly made. Then what does that statement betoken? Let us translate that statement into the modern way of speaking. This is what God said. ‘It is not good that Adam should be different or separate.’ Different from who? The animals? The birds? The fish? I say no, because there was nothing in the garden that had the same image as him. Who, therefore was he being compared to? The answer becomes clear when we understand that the first Adam was a figure or a type or a shadow of the last Adam who was to come. God was looking at the last Adam. His eyes were on the future. What did He see in the last Adam that the first Adam did not have? He saw that Jesus Christ was going to have a wife.

“A wife that would be a part of Him; who would come out of Him. Jesus Christ would be the head and she would be the body. That is why God took a rib, the token of the covenant, from Adam’s side, and formed Eve from it. The Lord returned Eve to Adam, and a new creation was formed. It was called marriage. Adam called her woman ‘because she was taken out of the man.’ The words man and woman appeared for the first time because of marriage. A woman, biblically speaking, represents the part, while the man represents the whole. God is the whole and all creation is the part. That is why God is called a man. Jesus Christ is called a man and the Church a woman, though it is made up of male and female members. The reason is that Jesus Christ is the whole and we are the part. For in Him we live and move and have our being.

Therefore, if we say that we will not ordain women because God is a man we will be guilty of blasphemy. What we are saying, in effect, is that God is male. For if we ordain males and reject females, are we not in great danger of blasphemy?” He stopped and looked in the direction of the trustees.

“My lords and excellencies, if we reject female ministers, we must also reject male ministers and ordain only married male ministers. For it is the married male who is called a man. I urge you to prayerfully consider what I have said.” He walked away from the microphone and off the podium. There was no applause!, "

Oh thank you Rhodalyn I LOVE YOU        

Same thing I have been trying to get through to these people.

TayoD

So u say God is both male and female?

Hi Fluffy,

I didn't say God is both male and female. Can you get the issue of sex off your mind a bit? God is Spirit, and does not have the flesh that you and I have. Our sex is expressed through our body, which God does not have. So how can you ascribe an attribute to Him that He is incapable of having? Remember that the Bible says in Christ, there is neither male nor female. Christ is the image of God.

You've got a point and I get it!

Hey Fluffy,

I was away from my desk, but appreciate your concern. It's true I used the masculine pronoun in addressing God - but as has been explained, our language is limited in expressing the real essence of God to the full.

I pray to and speak of God as "Father, Son, Holy Spirit", and use the "He/Him" pronouns. But I don't necessarily see Him as Male - that's gender and sex distinction. In my first post, I made reference to Gal. 3:28 showing that there is neither male nor female in Christ, who is the express image of God. That was astounding the day I saw that; and that was what informed my view that God is bigger than gender and sex distinction - we cannot find Him out unto perfection (Job 11:7).

TayoD, many thanks for your insightful rejoinders.

Blessings all.

@ Reverend,

sorry if my post touched you real bad, as i can see your lament on your reply. Hope no tears,
And sorry, im a very happy person, you know what, everyone i meet tells me im a happy person, in fact, they ask me whats the reason im always smiling ,

sorry, thanks for your invitation to your kinky church, but i hereby decline the offer to waste my valuable time. Its even better for me to be here on NL, than to go to your Kinky church, thats if it was the only one available.

Get a Life.

God is the Greatest!!!!!

@ Kimba

I am glad you are a happy smiling person. That is a good thing to be

It takes far less energy to smile than to be miserable.

Keep smiling!

The Rev