@Jagoon,  

Can you please furnish me with the so called "errors" in the KJV?  I can admit that the English Language has grown or changed since the Victorian age, hence you have the NKJV, but it still maintains the best Word for Word translation till date.

Atheists like Voltaire hated it so much that he predicted its extinction within a hundred years after his death but was proved wrong.  His very house was turned into a Bible publishing house! and this within half of the number of years he predicted.  

No wonder the KJV terrifies the devil when a child of God quotes it in spiritual warfare.  It stupefies the rebellious, it mystifies the world, and it pacifies the critics, it ratifies the covenant, it edifies the body of Christ, it magnifies the Word of God and it glorifies the Lord.  Halleluyah!!

That is why the KJV remains the best selling bible of all times.

olabowale:

I think there is a joke among the Christians, that says if you have X number of Christians in a gathering, chances is that your will have X+1 different Bible. As I read the quotes above, I can not but wonder, where is the Original in the Original language that it was revealed?

I have no idea because I am not a Bishop or Rabbi of any sort. I trust that the books are in a secure location. It was written originally in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. Even if I had it I cannot understand it because unlike mus.lims, Christians are not taught the culture of bible times. Now read my signature,

@A K O: Thats why, my brother you should be careful about something you do not know its origin. What if the Origin or Original is different from others?
As a Nigerian, you know that you can not tell an Igbo joke in Yoruba language to an Hausa, and thing it will mean the same as when it is told in Igbo to an Ibo? If you want to tell Hausa a joke, tell hause joke in Hausa language.
But when you tell hausa an Ibo story, in forced Yoruba, and he ask you for the story record as it is written originally in Igbo. If you can not produce it, I am certain that the hausa man will think that you are playing him, about the story. That you made it all up, or part of it or take some of it out. For whatever reason.

This is human nature. God would not ask us to believe something that we can not simply reason out. He will not give us rationality with irrational thoughts.

God is direct in truth. He will not give us clumsy things to think about and also as a source of our information.

@OLAADEGBU
Over three thousand errors were identified in the new testament of the King James Version alone and that was the compelling reason why the New King's James version had to be written to replace it. And don't start asking me to quote which errors, if you need to know do  google search on "errors/ king james version" and see the results for your self. The reason a number of pastors still prefer to use it is becos of the complexity in understanding it, that way they can interprete it to suit their opinions. And when you are confused they tell you, you need to the holy spirit to be able to understand it thus confusing you further instead of recomending a verson that is simpler to understand. The truth is that the amplified version is the best translation of the bible to date as it gives a meaning for meaning explaination in clear English with key words properly explained within the context in which it was used and it is very easy to understand, but then if your pastor recomends that version to you, you won't need him to explain the bible to you again thus making him less relevant, so he would rather you read a version that would confuse you and make you dependent on him for it's interpretation

Jagoon:

@OLAADEGBU
Over three thousand errors were identified in the new testament of the King James Version alone and that was the compelling reason why the New King's James version had to be written to replace it. And don't start asking me to quote which errors, if you need to know do  google search on "errors/ king james version" and see the results for your self.

It is cheap to make unproven claims, the onus is on you to back-up your claims that there are over 3,000 errors in the NT.

Jagoon:

The reason a number of pastors still prefer to use it is because of the complexity in understanding it, that way they can interprete it to suit their opinions. And when you are confused they tell you, you need to the holy spirit to be able to understand it thus confusing you further instead of recomending a verson that is simpler to understand. The truth is that the amplified version is the best translation of the bible to date as it gives a meaning for meaning explaination in clear English with key words properly explained within the context in which it was used and it is very easy to understand, but then if your pastor recomends that version to you, you won't need him to explain the bible to you again thus making him less relevant, so he would rather you read a version that would confuse you and make you dependent on him for it's interpretation

As much as you are entitled to your own opinion I still demand proofs to your claims.  For you to understand the bible which is a spiritual book it will be wise to know the author who inspired the scriptures before you start reading and studying.  It is because people attempt to understand its spiritual meaning with the carnal mind and human reasoning that they have struggled with the scriptures to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:15-16).  To understand the scriptures or to study it one has to acquire the following prerequisites:  To be born again and then start feeding on the milky parts of the Word so as to grow to the extent that he will be able to start to consume the bony parts of it.

For more understanding on the inspired word of God, yes even if it is KJV checkout the following thread on the Evidence for God in Scriptures
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-141226.0.html

olabowale:

@A K O: Thats why, my brother you should be careful about something you do not know its origin. What if the Origin or Original is different from others?
As a Nigerian, you know that you can not tell an Igbo joke in Yoruba language to an Hausa, and thing it will mean the same as when it is told in Igbo to an Ibo? If you want to tell Hausa a joke, tell hause joke in Hausa language.
But when you tell hausa an Ibo story, in forced Yoruba, and he ask you for the story record as it is written originally in Igbo. If you can not produce it, I am certain that the hausa man will think that you are playing him, about the story. That you made it all up, or part of it or take some of it out. For whatever reason.

This is human nature. God would not ask us to believe something that we can not simply reason out. He will not give us rationality with irrational thoughts.

God is direct in truth. He will not give us clumsy things to think about and also as a source of our information.

That is why like I said, the Amplified Bible gives the literal translation of the original languages, so the language barrier problem is nearly zero.


And in any case do you expect me to drop my bible and become a mus.lim? You've got to be kidding me!!!

Now read my signature,

@A_K_O: If I tell you in Nigeria that the house is on fire and that you should wake up to escape with your life, before the house explodes and you are gone with it. Will you belief me and wait until you are being consumed by the blaze and then said; Oh, This Olabowale was telling the truth, all along? If you do that then you are truly deserving whatever comes to you.

I remembered a friend in College days who was cooking but dozed of because he was tired. What he was cooking got burnt. But that was not half of it, the apartment was filled up in smoke. He easily could have died in his sleep (believe it or not, he was studying Chemical Engineering: Peleo Tunde K). But some other student (Dilip sadsai, from India) came knocking hard on the door. You see if Tunde heard the knock and just said go away, today he would be no more.

My point is, in arrogance we could really do harm to ourselves. A person who gets punished by God in the day of judgement because of not turning to the right path, while he was warned while he was on earth, deserves all the punishment he/she will receive.

If you dont have original to cross check the veracity of what you think the copy is, then you might just have accepted the "Drummer Boy," by Sy Nkuweisi as a true account of a life of a person and not fiction. Better yet, its like accepting Chinua Achebe's novel as if its 100% the account of some person's life., or a religious book.

olabowale:

@A_K_O: If I tell you in Nigeria that the house is on fire and that you should wake up to escape with your life, before the house explodes and you are gone with it. Will you belief me and wait until you are being consumed by the blaze and then said; Oh, This Olabowale was telling the truth, all along? If you do that then you are truly deserving whatever comes to you.

I remembered a friend in College days who was cooking but dozed of because he was tired. What he was cooking got burnt. But that was not half of it, the apartment was filled up in smoke. He easily could have died in his sleep (believe it or not, he was studying Chemical Engineering: Peleo Tunde K). But some other student (Dilip sadsai, from India) came knocking hard on the door. You see if Tunde heard the knock and just said go away, today he would be no more.

My point is, in arrogance we could really do harm to ourselves. A person who gets punished by God in the day of judgement because of not turning to the right path, while he was warned while he was on earth, deserves all the punishment he/she will receive.

If you don't have original to cross check the veracity of what you think the copy is, then you might just have accepted the "Drummer Boy," by Sy Nkuweisi as a true account of a life of a person and not fiction. Better yet, its like accepting Chinua Achebe's novel as if its 100% the account of some person's life., or a religious book.

No thank you. Ive tried and tested the bible few times enough to be convinced that it is [/b]the word of God. Call it arrogance or dogma or whatever you like, it is like calling white black and expecting to convince me. BTW, I am not given to detailed and protracted inter-religious debates so resist the temptation to take me up. I repeatedly conclude:

And in any case do you expect me to drop my bible and become a mus.lim? [size=19pt][b]You've got to be kidding me!!!
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Peace out!

@A K O: Thats why, my brother you should be careful about something you do not know its origin. What if the Origin or Original is different from others?

But I know it  

I actually own a Bible translated directly from the original. Yup there have been many translations of the Bible, but it still remains the general consensus of it that Jesus is Lord.

Translated in French, SPanish, German, English, Latin, Portugese, Chinese, Japanese, and much more, it is still the same message. Red is rouge is rojo is rot is ruber is erythros, it is still the colour red.

It still has the general consensus. That is why it is important to have guidance, from the Spirit when you meditate on the word in private and from the ordained Priest when you are gathered in Bible study or the regular reading of the liturgy at mass or Sunday service.

Better yet, its like accepting Chinua Achebe's novel as if its 100% the account of some person's life., or a religious book.

Um not true. Chinua Achebe's book is not a translation of a previous book. It is the original copy of it's own story. Use a different analogy.

My point is, in arrogance we could really do harm to ourselves. A person who gets punished by God in the day of judgement because of not turning to the right path, while he was warned while he was on earth, deserves all the punishment he/she will receive.

Yet there are different translations of the Qu'ran, I know I've read them don't make me post them for you, so then would you conclude that the translated Qu'ran has the same "lost message" effect?
If so, then there are a lot of confused muuslims out there.

And in any case do you expect me to drop my bible and become a mus.lim? You've got to be kidding me!!![/

I like this, permission to use it PLEASE!!!

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OLAADEGBU:

It is cheap to make unproven claims, the onus is on you to back-up your claims that there are over 3,000 errors in the NT.

Bros , i already refered you to do a google seach on the topic and you would find all the proofs tyou need there or am i supposed to post all the over 3000 errors on nairaland. you can check out this link for instance http://www.bible-researcher.com/kjvdefects.html and do further research on google if you are really interested in knowing the truth.

@~Lady~:

But I know it

I actually own a Bible translated directly from the original. Yup there have been many translations of the Bible, but it still remains the general consensus of it that Jesus is Lord.

Just simply saying you have your copy translated "DIRECTLY" from the "ORIGINAL," is unbelieably stretching the truth, considering the year the Original may have been written, if there is any. Well, you have to show us what you have and the Original that it is translated directly from. We need to compare them, because I can not just take your word for it this time. I will be true to the statement of Ronald reagan this time around, about Goberchev: Trust, but verify.

Translated in French, SPanish, German, English, Latin, Portugese, Chinese, Japanese, and much more, it is still the same message. Red is rouge is rojo is rot is ruber is erythros, it is still the colour red.

And you know that when you say something is red, you will be reqired to show it, since the person who is not color blind knows that what you have is not even any shade of red, but lime green.

It still has the general consensus. That is why it is important to have guidance, from the Spirit when you meditate on the word in private and from the ordained Priest when you are gathered in Bible study or the regular reading of the liturgy at mass or Sunday service.

Except there is something called reality. If it is simple, clear and direct, is there a need for further explanation? If I say I am a male, is there any need for an explanation that can make me the person with woman internal pipings between me and my wife? Again, if I say am in New York City, this moment, is that not direct enough, that there is no need for any wiseguy to explain/interprete that am actually in Los Angeles?

I love for you to explain Mark 12 Verse 29 to me where Jesus himself said that he has a God Who is his Lord, different and separate from himself. This said Lord God explained by Jesus, is One and not divisible. Compare that with your saying above where you said Jesus is still lord. Will there not be a party that is not knowledgeable or and not telling the truth, as the two are directly no agreeing with each other?

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Better yet, its like accepting Chinua Achebe's novel as if its 100% the account of some person's life., or a religious book.

Um not true. Chinua Achebe's book is not a translation of a previous book. It is the original copy of it's own story. Use a different analogy.

Read my premises about Achebe's book: it is not 100% the account of somebody's life and its not a religious book. If you miss my point, which does not need interpretation, but yet interpreted it to mean that it is not translation from a previous book, then you see how easily interpretation distorts reality.

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My point is, in arrogance we could really do harm to ourselves. A person who gets punished by God in the day of judgement because of not turning to the right path, while he was warned while he was on earth, deserves all the punishment he/she will receive.


Yet there are different translations of the Qu'ran, I know I've read them don't make me post them for you, so then would you conclude that the translated Qu'ran has the same "lost message" effect?
If so, then there are a lot of confused muuslims out there.

If you read Chapter Yusuf, in the AlQur'an, the second verse says that AlQur'an (mentioned by name) is in Arabiyya (a language which it is read in, in all i.slamic functions). (Please note that in the Bible, the name of your book, Bible and the original lanuage which it was revealed or inspired to the prophets; Moses, David and Jesus, are not mentioned). Now you can see the difference in your argument and the reality of the situation?

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And in any case do you expect me to drop my bible and become a mus.lim? You've got to be kidding me!!![/


I like this, permission to use it PLEASE!!!

hahahaha

If I say to you that telling lies against God and also against Jesus, and others is terrible than stealing or illicit sex, etc, will you at least consider it in your heart, than just to to follow blindly, adopting a mob mentality to that decision, because somebody said, "You must be kidding me, if I want him to stop the lies!" This is exactly what has happened in your so very happy and even borrowing the "You've got to be kidding me!!!!" quote.

Pay attention that neither you nor A_K_O have approached the challenge of Jagoon as it concerns the discrepancies in the Bible. A_K_O had asked that I look at his signature. I will take a look. But I wonder if that signature will be a means of blessing or otherwise for him, in front of his Creator, in the day of Judgement?

@A_K_O: The Signature, "You Dig?" Is that it? Okay. I got it now. I wonder how the people of Prophet Noah (as), felt about their hard position against him, when the Vessel was close shot and they were not in it. And water was coming from every where at then, in which at sometime they drwoned in it?

My brother, have a soft heart. Don't be arrogant like the Pharaoh who perished in the Sea. I wish you well.

Jagoon:

Bros , i already refered you to do a google seach on the topic and you would find all the proofs tyou need there or am i supposed to post all the over 3000 errors on nairaland.

@KunleOshob alias Jagoon,

I have already told you that the onus probandi is on you to prove what you claim to be errors in the KJV.  I am not demanding that you prove the so called 3000 errors all I am asking for is one or two proofs because there is no point sending me on a wild goose chase to prove your point.

For you to understand, recognise and comprehend the Word of God you have to be spiritually enlightened which means that you have to be connected with the Spirit of Truth who is the author of the Scriptures for Him to guide you into all truth. (Jn.14:17; 15:26; 16:7, 13; 16:13)

Let the Holy Spirit guide you into whatever versions He wants you to use.  According to a thoughtful writer who advised:  "Never compare this Book with other books.  Comparisons are dangerous.  Never think or never say that this Book just contains the Word of God.  It is the Word of God.  Supernatural in origin, eternal in duration, inexpressible in value, infinite in scope, regenerating in Power, infallible in authority, universal in interest, personal in application and inspired in totality.  Read it through.  Write it down.  Pray it in.  Work it out.  And then pass it on."

Any sincere and earnest dilligent seeker of the truth can make the following spiritual preparations so as to discover the hidden treasures in the Bible.

For us to profit maximally from the study of the Bible, all hindrances to spiritual receptivity must be removed. These include hardened heart (Matthew 13:3-6, 18-21), double mindedness (James 1:8; Mark 4:15-17), pride (Deuteronomy 8:11-14; Psalms 101:5; Proverbs 18:12), carnality (I Corinthians 3:1-5), and unbelief (Matthew 13:58).

Every believer in the church today can benefit from the hidden treasures in the Bible. But this would require sacrifices on our part. Treasures are not found except by searching or digging earnestly. Likewise, deep Bible truths need be sought for and in doing this we will discover Christ the more (Colossians 2:3; John 5:39). Certain spiritual preparations are required from believers in order to discover these treasures that would make them develop into the fullness of the stature of Christ. There must be earnest love for truth for its own sake (Psalm 119:40,47,54,72,103); supreme love for God (Matthew 22:37; Deuteronomy 30:6; Psalm 73:25); and an intense desire to know more of Him (Psalm 42:1,2; 63:1). Also, there should be a strong desire to make Him known to others (Proverbs 11:24-26; Romans 9:1-3), willingness to make personal sacrifice to study (Matthew 13:44-46; 12:42), a sense of ignorance and dependence upon divine teaching and willingness to practice as far as you learn (Psalm 119:60,101,106; James 1:22-25; Ezra 7:10). Other requirements are a fixed purpose to know, and do the whole truth (Psalm 119:63; 57:7; 108:1) and cultivating a state of mind that will not be diverted to make provision for the flesh (Romans 13:14; Matthew 26:41).

Above all, you need, a regular habit of prayer, resignation to the whole will of God and His word that will make you discover the treasures hidden in the Bible.
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I believe there are so many other books not listed in king James Bible because it was written to suit the political desire of the King of England( King James)

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Are you sure olabowale is no sweetnecta

@OP, u can read other version if u find no good in KJV.
The bible is the word of God, no make comperation a case in it.