Can our able scientists answer the following question:

1) Where are the boundaries of the universe, what exists beyond those boundaries, and beyond?

KAG:

You expected pictures?

Why not? If the subject was the existence of, say, a leprechaun or Zeus, would those words have been enough?

Just that the arguments sounded dogmatic ( the same accusation leveled against Church/theist arguments). We want to see and touch the proofs, the scientific way.

imhotep:

Just that the arguments sounded dogmatic ( the same accusation leveled against Church/theist arguments).

How so? I don't see how or why you think they are dogmatic. It's even more puzzling considering the comparism you've made.

We want to see and touch the proofs, the scientific way.

Wait, what? Okay, now you've confirmed my earlier suspiscions. I'm out.

ALL WE SEE BEYOND AND ABOVE ARE PROOFS THAT HE EXIST

the only thing above us are magnetic fields, planetary bodies and galaxies. i still haven't seen a boogie man above.

Can science answer these questions:

1) What is magnetism?
2) What is gravitation?
3) Where are the boundaries of the universe, what exists beyond those boundaries?

Our scientific atheists have failed provide a satisfactory response to this thread. What we have seen are dogmatic decalarations - and we don't have to take their word for it.

What general advice should we give these scientific atheists

imhotep:

Our scientific atheists have failed provide a satisfactory response to this thread. What we have seen are dogmatic decalarations - and we don't have to take their word for it.

What general advice should we give these scientific atheists

imhotep, No doubt, You're one of the scientist atheists. keep it up and help give us the clue to your question.

No need to waste time with this question!

May kelly:

imhotep, No doubt, You're one of the scientist atheists. keep it up and help give us the clue to your question.

Quite the contrary, May Kelly, I am a scientific theist who believes that science should be put in its proper place.

Wahooo,  ya  so we can smile together.
Permit me to ask- I don't think we have athesit anymore in this world OR do we?

May kelly:

Wahooo, ya so we can smile together.
Permit me to ask- I don't think we have athesit anymore in this world OR do we?

Well, we have plenty of atheists on this thread who cannot defend what they believe.

That's why I mourn for them.

imhotep:

Our scientific atheists have failed provide a satisfactory response to this thread.

That's because no response can ever seem satisfactory to you.

What we have seen are dogmatic decalarations - and we don't have to take their word for it.

Ha! Strangely enough, you still haven't shown how my responses were dogmatic. Carry on.

What general advice should we give these scientific atheists

What is a scientific atheist? My advice to them would be don't trust Christians. Many are dishonest and hypocrites. Worse still, they are patronising about it.

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imhotep, No doubt, You're one of the scientist atheists. keep it up and help give us the clue to your question.
Quite the contrary, May Kelly, I am a scientific theist who believes that science should be put in its proper place.

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We do not see the world as it is. We see the world as we are.

And what exactly is the position of science, since you are trying to tell us what it should be? Even thou you have shown that you have limited knowledge of what your world is by your usual signature of 'we do not see the world as it is, ' quote. Here is my question to you; do you know that there could be element/matter/material/particles in existence that can not be felt by any of human senses, sight, touch, smell, hearing, etc and even thinking, knowledge, etc? For sure of the knowledge that we have today? If the answer is yes, then you will find God behind all of them and He is the Master of everyone of them, and what you already known; He after man discovers everything (and it will be impossible; Soul will never be truly discovered except only by name only: And without soul/spirit, we will not be alive, living and breathing), will still be only ENTITY that can not be quantumfied!

Well, we have plenty of atheists on this thread who cannot defend what they believe.

That's why I mourn for them.

I believe that you are a woman, if you are even a human being, (Am sure KAG will remember me calling him whatever, yet (it) has not quit the mindset that led me to propose it. I tend to believe that I am right, since there is no backing down from the machine (lol)). Would that make me right, Imhotep? No, just incase you are not what I said you are. Since you are saying that God does not exist, it does not mean that you are correct. The mere fact that you have a name for Him "God," (am going by english language, but in Arabic He has a proper name: Allah), shows that you believe His existence, but you refuse to accept it, because you can not conceptualise it! To the Christians, this argument that I am making will not work for your Trinity, because 'trinity,' as a word does not exist in your Bible. Hence a concept can not be developed to define a none existing thing! Whereas, God and al His derivitives exist in any and all religious books. Even Hutchington, make use of His name in his thesis (a weak thesis at best) which he says negates His existence! This in itself proves the existence of God. I guess the title of his book is actually addressing Islam, in the way it title is worded.

@Bawomol: You do not have to have a boggie man on top, in the sky, before God existence is proven to you. I can almost assure you that when were little, say 3 years old, a 6 ft tall person, or at least your father was like the greatest giant, ever existed, in your eye. But as you grow older, everything is in perspective, to its place and time. So since the whole universe, Galaxies, etc (space), have not yet been discovered, you can not be sure, in your littliest of knowledge, which is deluding you, that there is nothing beyond space and human reach. No matter how we try. Have you ever heard of Seven heavens? Yet the whole science world does not know how far is the closest of them, the first heaven is to the earth?

Penetrate the space, if you can, you can not penetrate it, (because it envelopes all things; man and jinn and all space vehicles, regardless how long it travels and what speed it has, it will never get to the boundary of where envelope begins.) except which among you He allows to penetrate further than whose who are denied (This is possible in allowance or denial by His power of Mercy and Judgement alone). (Surah Ar Rahman; From the Qur'an over 1400 years ago). It simply points out that man's power is limited, in this world and in the day of judgement, there will be just reward for those who denied His existence and those who add some others along in their worship, and then superior Mercy that is everlasting for those who He covers with Mercy instead of Justice, in their efforts, however weak, but it satisfies Him.

olabowale:

I believe that you are a woman, if you are even a human being, (Am sure KAG will remember me calling him whatever, yet (it) has not quit the mindset that led me to propose it.

And this is supposed the be the rational way you reason out an issue? Goodness!

olabowale:

Since you are saying that God does not exist, it does not mean that you are correct.

@olabowale
This shows you have not been reading my posts the way they should be read. I have provided five proofs for the existence of God without reference to bible,koran or any such book.

I am waiting for the scientific atheists to provide a proof that God does not exist, without throwing weak punches at the five proofs, or making references to the bible or koran or any such book.

Our scientific atheists have NOT been able to disprove (or prove) the existence of God.

I suggest that they desist from making further categorical statements about God.

They can neither defend their position nor their statements.

So much for logic and rationality!!

I suggest that our scientific atheists quietly and honestly ponder the phenomenon of Near Death Experiences.

Wikipedia article -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experiences

They still have much to learn about reality.

. . . I am still waiting for a convincing proof that GOD DOES NOT EXIST. . .

@huxley and the boyz
Come on!!! Do something here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!