greatgenius: ^^^^ @ Anony good questions and glad you want the discussion to continue . will reply you tonight or tomorow..using my phone and I Don't like typing long replies on my phone...

we can have an audio conversation if you prefer....on yahoo, skype or telephone.

Yea I wouldn't mind and we should probably do that as time go on.. but for now we have to play the "game" on nairalands stage so others can participate and re-member who they really are as well.. we are all in this together..remember there is only one of us..

But if you want to take this offline telephone will be a faster route to get to me.. we can do Skype also but we will get to that..

greatgenius: Yea I wouldn't mind and we should probably do that as time go on.. but for now we have to play the "game" on nairalands stage so others can participate and re-member who they really are as well.. we are all in this together..remember there is only one of us..

lol, you are assuming I already agree with you even before you present your case. Very interesting indeed.

Mr_Anony:
Good so I'm back. Let's discuss your concept of God indepth.....
Let us start by getting a few things clear.

1. Do you have a respect for logic? (I know this might seem like a rude question to ask but I assure you I mean no rudeness, it's just that I have met many on this forum who have no understanding nor do they have any respect for logic) The question I guess I am really asking is: Can God be explained logically?

i understand your point and your concerns but yes God can be explained logically and reasonably.

2. If you believe God can be explained logically, then please explain to me who God is and what exactly you mean by "the one soul/being". Take as much time as you like, give as detailed a description as possible and then based on your narrative, we will have a discussion. (The reason I want you to do this is so that I can properly understand you and so I don't end up making attacking strawmen when responding to you).

Awaiting your response.

the problem with you and alot of people is they see God as seperate from them. And also your believe of who and what you think God is has been so ingrained in you that it is hard for you to let go of your limiting beliefs and accept the truth of who and what God really is..listen whereevr you are is where God is. wherever you are is the center of the universe.you are God in flesh....but before we get into all of that and the logical explanation of God and the whole one soul into the many thing let me take you to the beginning and let me tell you a story.
In the beginning, that which is, or God is all there was, and there was nothing else. You can call all that which is God/energy/the creator/universal intelligence/universal force etc

Yet all that is/God could not know itself because God is all there was, and there was nothing or no one else. And so you could say All That Is, was not. For in the absence of something else, All That Is or God is not.

Now all that is( I keep repeating and using all that is because I want you to see that all that is/God is everything in existence and not just one being somewhere in the sky) knew it was all there was but this was not enough, for it could only know its utter magnificence conceptually and not ecperientially.
Yet the experience of itself is or what is means to be God is what God longed for. She wanted to know what it felt like to be so magnificent. Still, this was impossible, because the very term “magnificent” is a relative term. Therefore God or all that is could not know
What it felt like to be magnificent unles, that which is not, (magnificent )showed up.

Because in the absence of that which is not, that which is, is not…think about this for a minute and you would realize the deep meaning.

The one thing that all that is or God knew is that there was nothing else or no one else. Therefore God could, and would never know himself/itself/herself from a reference point outside of Itself. Such a point did not exist. Only one reference point existed, and that was the single place within. The “Is and Not Is.” The I Am and Not I Am.

Still, this energy, the all of everything, God, chose to know Itself experientially and experience Itself as the utter magnificence It was. So in order to do this she realized he would have to use a reference poin within.
God reasoned quite correctly, that any portion of Itself would necessarily have to be less than the whole and that if it simply divided itself into portions, each portion being less than the whole, could look back on the rest of Itself and see magnificence.

And so God or all that is divided Itself, becoming, in one glorious moment, that which is this and that. For the first time, this and that existed, quite apart from each other. And still, both existed simultaneously. As did all that was was neither, here or there
Thus,three elements now suddenly existed…that which is here …That which is there and that which is neither here or there but which mjst exist for here and there to exist.
It is the no-thing or the unseen which holds the everything. It is the non-space which holds the space. the all which holds the parts.

So now in creating that which is “here” and that which is “there,” God now made it possible for God to know Itself. So n the moment of this great division from within, God created relativity. Thus it is thriogh relativity or relationships God’s greatest gift to us that we can all experience and know ourselfves..time was also created as the elements of all raced forth, for a thing was firt here then it was there, and the period it took toget from here to there was measurable.

Now lets talk about love and fear since every human activity stems from or a derivative of ither love or fear.

Now God knew that for love to exist and to know itself as pure love, the exact opposite of love had to exist as well. So God voluntarily created the great polarity, the absolute opposite of love or everything that love is not…fear..
In the moment fear existed, love could now exist as a thing that could be experienced..

It is this creation between love and its opposite which our various human mythologies refer to as the birth of evil, the fall of man, the fall of Adam, the rebellion of Satan etc etc...just as we have chosen to personify pure love as the character we call God, so have we chosen to personify fear as the character we call the devil.

We have established elaborate mythologies around this event( creation of the opposite of love) complete with scenarios of battles and war, angelic soldiers and devilish warriors, the forces ofgood and evil, of light and dark etc..
These mythologies has been our (makind)early attempt so to speak to understand, and tell others in a way that they could understand, a cosmic occurrence which the human soul is aware(the soul knows all secrets of the universe because there is really one soul the soul of God) of but of which the mind can barely conceive or really understand( by mind here I mean the conscious mind)…

Ok so let me get back to my original story..
so now in rendering the universe as a divided version of itself, all that is or God thys produced, from pure energy, all that now exist both seen and unseen.in other words, not only was the physical universe thus created,but the metaphysical or spiritual realm as well..

Now the part of God which forms the othr half or second part of the I am/Not I am equation also divided or exploded into an infinite number of units smaller than the whole. These energy units we call spirits...in some religious mythologies it is stated that God the father had many spiritual chikdren. Once again it seems to be the way that the masses could be masde to hold in their reality or you could say conscious mind of the suddewn appearance or existence of spirits in the kindom of heaven or the spiritual reaml…

There is only one way for the crteator to know itself experincetially as the creator and that is to create. And so God gave to the counteless part of itself the creative power to create just as it has as the whole.( this is what our religions mean when they say that we were created in the image and likeness of God)…

The creator’s purpose in creating us or should I say dividing itself into many parts was for the creator to know itself as God. God has no way to do that expect through us.( its divided but because there is no one else but God)..Thus it can be said and has been, many times that God’s purpose for me and you (Mr. Anony) and everyone is that we know ousselves as God…




Now there is a reason why we are here in physicality and have chosen to forget who you are but I think I will end here for now and see if you can grasp what I said so far and then I will continue if you want me to… I haven’t completely answered with this story why the one soul became the many souls but there are hints in there..

Mr_Anony:
lol, you are assuming I already agree with you even before you present your case. Very interesting indeed.

no on the contrary i didn't assume anything at all.. my job here is not for you to agree or disagree with me. my job here is to discuss with you and have you examine your limiting beliefs... im not hear to sell truth.the truth sells itself. besides words are the least relaibble purveyor of truth..the real truth that you should seek lies in your soul. so listen instead to the language of your soul..

i will continue with my story of creations later and hopefully we get to talk about our group soul or our creator God Yahweh( the universe is bigger than you have ever imagined and there are a lot of creator Gods or should i say sub Central suns in the universe) later.

but now i want us to talk about the concept of the one soul becoming or individuating into the many souls and why there is only one soul. I am sure you have heard of the saying, many times by now, that we are all one, there is only one God, there is only one soul etc..

the question is if there is really only one soul how is this possible when each individaul soul seems to be and act different? if we are all this one soul and the same stuff, we are presupposing then that there is no place where our soul "ends" and athother begins.. so we are saying then taht not only are we connected we are actually the same.

now in order for us to get to theis truth we have to reverse some errors circulating in the human psyche.
1. most people believe that the body contains the soul--false
2. most people also think there are seperations between each soul..false

the truth is that the soul is everywhere in, through, and around you. It is that which contains you. you have to understand that you are more than your body,that there is something larger, way larger that you are. There is. Literally. The soul is larger than the body.It is not carried within the body, but carries the body within it.it is that which holds our body together just as the soul of "God" is that which contains the universe and holds it togethre.

imagine your soul to be your aura and you will get what im driving at..


p/s i will continue this later. got some work to do..

greatgenius:
the truth is that the soul is everywhere in, through, and around you. It is that which contains you. you have to understand that you are more than your body,that there is something larger, way larger that you are. There is. Literally. The soul is larger than the body.It is not carried within the body, but carries the body within it.it is that which holds our body together just as the soul of "God" is that which contains the universe and holds it together.

This is deep

@greatgenius
beeen reading ur posts and i must confess that it has been insigthful and confusing too.

ya i am more confused. and i want to ask u some qustions

1. do u believe in the bible?
2. why are we really hear on earth and experiencing pain, terror, fear, sadness, death etc, what is really there to gain.
3. if u believe the bible, why did God get angry with adam and eve and punished them? why did he destroy the world during the time of Noah with water?
4. if i have to beleive ur concept of God, then where does sin come in? where does punishment (both here and after life) come in?. i.e is there hell or heaven?
5. why is the world suh a confused place with wars, beliefs, and religion.
6. do u believe there are spiritual forces on earth? if u do can u explain why mony ritual work? or why people hurt, kill or destroy each other through spritual means and it works?

thanks

Continuing from where I left off..

So like I said to see how our soul is that which contains our body, imagine the soul as the aura (which is not far from the truth)..

the question and dilemma then is if the soul is in a sense, the "air in and around us," and if everyone else's soul is the same ,where does one soul end, and another begin?
Well the truth is there is no place where another soul "ends" and ours "begins".. Just like there is no place where the air in the living room "stops" and the air in the dining room "starts." It's all the same air. It's all the same soul…once you begin to understand and grasp this profound truth you would have discovered one of the secrets of the universe.

Now same way if God “soul” is that which contains the universe, just as our “soul” is that which contains our bodies, then there is no place where God’s soul "ends" and ours "begins". Because really there is only one soul differentiating into the man.. the soul of God…“have I not said that ye are Gods” (you seem to be religious so im sure you know who said that)..Once you realize this you could say truths like “I and the father are one” and you would be absolutely right.. You are God in the flesh.
Now you might feel different and unique because while there is actually no separation between our souls, it is true that the energy or stuff of which the One Soul is made of, manifests in physicality at different speeds and thus produces different degrees of density..

For instance even though there id no physical place or location where the "air of the living room" stops and the "air of the dining room" begins.. Yet there is a place where the "air of the living room" becomes less or more dense.. Like the living romm , So, too, can the "air of the dining room” become less dense.
For instance the further from the dining room you go, the less you smell dinner…Now the air in the house is the same air. There is no "separate air" in the dining room. Yet the air in the dining room sure sometimes seems like "other air." For one thing, it smells different...
Because the air has taken on different characteristics, it seems as though it is different air. But it is not. It is all the same air, seeming different. We are all the same stuff, the same suol .

There is no one else but God, The all of everything. You are an individuated aspect or spark of the one God and thus create your own reality…

greatgenius:
Just as the soul of "God" is that which contains the universe and holds it together.

Could the soul of God be dark matter or dark energy? Science doesn't really understand what it is but it is prevalent in the universe and kind of holds it together

Affiliated:

Could the soul of God be dark matter or dark energy? Science doesn't really understand what it is but it is prevalent in the universe and kind of holds it together

well what do you think ?

@greatgenius, I'm waiting for you to finish before I commence replying. So far I don't agree with you on a number of points but we'll get those clarified later after you have concluded.

^^^^ actually go ahead and start your replies i am saying no more for now i want to hear your views.

greatgenius: ^^^^ actually go ahead and start your replies i am saying no more for now i want to hear your views.

yet you chose to ignore my questions

frank3.16:

1. do u believe in the bible?
2. why are we really hear on earth and experiencing pain, terror, fear, sadness, death etc, what is really there to gain.
3. if u believe the bible, why did God get angry with adam and eve and punished them? why did he destroy the world during the time of Noah with water?
4. if i have to beleive ur concept of God, then where does sin come in? where does punishment (both here and after life) come in?. i.e is there hell or heaven?
5. why is the world suh a confused place with wars, beliefs, and religion.
6. do u believe there are spiritual forces on earth? if u do can u explain why mony ritual work? or why people hurt, kill or destroy each other through spritual means and it works?

thanks

I know the questions weren't directed at me but let me answer the ones i can. these are just my opinions though.
1. That's not important but I won't take the bible literally.
2. We are experiencing all these things because of the illusion of separation. When we came to this earth, if we didn't give ourselves the illusion that we were separate, we would have still known that we are all the same thing which is God which defeats the purpose of God separating itself in the first place as greatgenius1 described.
3. Not literal stories
4. They don't come in. I think after death people who have attached themselves so much to the earth and think the same way would be unable to move on to the next stage of experiencing the universe and would be stuck in their own made-up "heaven or hell"
5. Back to this illusion of separation. Everyone or group of people seeing themselves as an individual entity separate from everyone else will inevitably try to become better than everyone else and gain control over others. This causes all the world's ills such as wars, beliefs e.t.c It would seem beliefs and ideas even have a life of their own with their own fight or flee response when faced with a threatening inconsistent idea and ideas look for consistent ideas just the way animals do in a social setting... but i digress
6. In our infinite dimensions [dimensions are the speed of vibrations of that reality] 1 dimensional objects are cells and the like 2 dimensional objects go to multicellular organisms 3 dimensions variations move to small and big animals and so on. The difference in dimensional beings is the power of our thoughts and how fast the vibrations can translate into reality. Now there are 4 dimensional beings and so on to infinity. And just the way cells cannot understand the laws of the universe we understand and how we bring our thoughts to reality, so can we not understand what higher dimensional beings do. and just the way cells cannot see us for what we are so can we not see these higher dimensional beings for what they are even though they are there. But the closest higher dimension to us which is the 4th can be accessed in some ways by people who subject their mind and thoughts to certain processes and begin to understand some other laws of the universe... It is said in some places that man had once gotten to the 4th dimensional stage but fell back down the dimensional ladder for one reason or another... but i digress again. Anyway these dimensional beings that come to be known as angels or demons or whatever understand laws we don't.
All I've said here is speculation though

Affiliated:

I know the questions weren't directed at me but let me answer the ones i can. these are just my opinions though.
1. That's not important but I won't take the bible literally.
2. We are experiencing all these things because of the illusion of separation. When we came to this earth, if we didn't give ourselves the illusion that we were separate, we would have still known that we are all the same thing which is God which defeats the purpose of God separating itself in the first place as greatgenius1 described.
3. Not literal stories
4. They don't come in. I think after death people who have attached themselves so much to the earth and think the same way would be unable to move on to the next stage of experiencing the universe and would be stuck in their own made-up "heaven or hell"
5. Back to this illusion of separation. Everyone or group of people seeing themselves as an individual entity separate from everyone else will inevitably try to become better than everyone else and gain control over others. This causes all the world's ills such as wars, beliefs e.t.c It would seem beliefs and ideas even have a life of their own with their own fight or flee response when faced with a threatening inconsistent idea and ideas look for consistent ideas just the way animals do in a social setting... but i digress
6. In our infinite dimensions [dimensions are the speed of vibrations of that reality] 1 dimensional objects are cells and the like 2 dimensional objects go to multicellular organisms 3 dimensions variations move to small and big animals and so on. The difference in dimensional beings is the power of our thoughts and how fast the vibrations can translate into reality. Now there are 4 dimensional beings and so on to infinity. And just the way cells cannot understand the laws of the universe we understand and how we bring our thoughts to reality, so can we not understand what higher dimensional beings do. and just the way cells cannot see us for what we are so can we not see these higher dimensional beings for what they are even though they are there. But the closest higher dimension to us which is the 4th can e accessed in some ways by people who subject their mind and thoughts to certain processes and begin to understand some other laws of the universe... It is said in some places that man had once gotten to the 4th dimensional stage but fell back down the dimensional ladder for one reason or another... but i digress again. Anyway these dimensional beings that come to be known as angels or demons or whatever understand laws we don't.
All I've said here is speculation though

You dont sound like a typical xtian... what denomination are you?

Atheist:-D:


You dont sound like a typical xtian... what denomination are you?

I subscribe to the ideas that Hermes Trismegistus had and also the ideas of Yehuda Bar Yeshua who will come to be known as Jesus Christ. The problem is that Roman politicians completely changed everything from the names to the records and so on. Those guys really wrought confusion and ignorance on the world in their quest to control people. Well their weapon [The roman catholic church] eventually turned on them.

Affiliated:

I subscribe to the ideas that Hermes Trismegistus had and also the ideas of Yehuda Bar Yeshua who will come to be known as Jesus Christ. The problem is that Roman politicians completely changed everything from the names to the records and so on. Those guys really wrought confusion and ignorance on the world in their quest to control people. Well their weapon [The roman catholic church] eventually turned on them.

So are you a jew?

Atheist:-D:


So are you a jew?

Lol. That's a weird question. Are there any Jews on nairaland? I'm a Nigerian by the way

@frank..i have tried to answer your questions a few times now but my posts keeps getting hidden... i will keep it short and simple this time... btw i didnt ignore your questions i saw it late and i really didnt have the desire or inspiration to type anything at the time and decided to reply you later ... i apologize if you felt ignored but you have to learn to respect others free-will to act instead of getting offended..The disregard for others free will is one of the reasons the world is the way it is right now..-wars, fighting etc..hint! hint! refer to one your questions

frank3.16:
@greatgenius
beeen reading ur posts and i must confess that it has been insigthful and confusing too.

ya i am more confused. and i want to ask u some qustions

1. do u believe in the bible?

i believe in myself and my higher self or should i say God... undesrtand that the bible like a lot of so called sacred religious texts passed down from antiquity is full of distortions... it is a mixture of truths and major false. like all religious texts its main purpose is to control..

2. why are we really hear on earth and experiencing pain, terror, fear, sadness, death etc, what is really there to gain.

well before manifesting into physicality or this third dimension, you made a choice to forget who you really are...to answer your question in simple terms, you are here to experience,re-member who you are and create the grandest version of yourself... you have to understand that this is all a game. it is all an act..you could say you are acting. the trick and catch is that it feels so real.. well that's the purpose its suppose to feel real...im sure you have heard this quote before.... "All the world's a stage,And all the men and women merely players:They have their exits and their entrances;And one man in his time plays many parts"...

the truth is no one really " dies" in thhis game or play...death is an illusion..all of this is an illusion.. a dream. a beautiful dream...
As a man thinketh so it shall be.. as God in flesh you came here with the creative power of the universe on your lips..your every thought, word, deed is creative and you create your reality with your thoughts, words and deeds.. teh world is the way it is becuase of the collective creative consciousness of mankind.. what you think or vibrate towards is what you experiece.. if you think negative or evil thoughts you get its corresponding negative vibrations(then you blame it on a non-existent satan lol)and vice versa when you think positive thoughts..

so since you want the world to be free of negative events you now knwo what to do...

3. if u believe the bible, why did God get angry with adam and eve and punished them? why did he destroy the world during the time of Noah with water?

God did not get angry with no one..the adam and eve story should not be taken literally... adam and eve represented all of humanity at the time...

4. if i have to beleive ur concept of God, then where does sin come in? where does punishment (both here and after life) come in?. i.e is there hell or heaven?

to sin is to miss the mark/center or make a "wrong" choice... like i said earlier every choice has its corresponding result. so if you make a "wrong" ,"evil" or "negative" choice you get its corresponding negaive vibration or result. getting the negative effect or result of a wrong choice is what humanity has chosen to call punishment. the catch is you are not being "punished" by an imagined invisible angry malevolent God or satan (both of which are non-existent actually) but by yourself. your own choices made out of ignorance brought the "punishment"..when you are ignorant of the fact that you create your own reality you attribute those so called "punishments" to other forces or beings... As you evolve into higher state of consciousness and make positve and desirable choices you call that paradisaical or edenic..

do you now see how "adam and eve" making of wrong choices or sinning and the subsequent change of their edenic reality was blamed on an angry god?..

What's with all the hidden posts? This is driving me insane

5. why is the world suh a confused place with wars, beliefs, and religion.

separation! Separation! Separation! The illusion that we are separated and not one is the reason for wars….
As within so without. The world seems like a confused place because you are.. Physicality or, your outside world is as a result or reflection of your inner world. You want your world to be free of confusion and wars then create a better world within. Think positive thoughts, be your brother’s keeper, see the good in yourself and others, do unto others as you would unto yourself, think loving thoughts and your world will change.. There is only one of us and your world or everything and everyone you see is a creation or reflection of your higher self... What you do unto others you do to self and what you do for self you do unto others… so what do you CHOOSE?..

But answered another way like i asserted earlier it is because of our wrong and negative thinking combined with its choices...we can return to our edenic nature this very moment if we choose to make the right choices...don't worry though a time will come when humans will have evolve much highly in spiritual awareness. wars and epidemics will be no more.. its a process.. Just hope we dont drop the ball again and self-destruct like we did the last time when humanity was at this juncture of its evolution…. i believe in my heart that we won't.. this era will be the time of the great awakening and i believe many will awake to the task

greatgenius1: separation! Separation! Separation! The illusion that we are separated and not one is the reason for wars….
As within so without. The world seems like a confused place because you are.. Physicality or, your outside world is as a result or reflection of your inner world. You want your world to be free of confusion and wars then create a better world within. Think positive thoughts, be your brother’s keeper, see the good in yourself and others, do unto others as you would unto yourself, think loving thoughts and your world will change.. There is only one of us and your world or everything and everyone you see is a creation or reflection of your higher self... What you do unto others you do to self and what you do for self you do unto others… so what do you CHOOSE?..

But answered another way like i asserted earlier it is because of our wrong and negative thinking combined with its choices...we can return to our edenic nature this very moment if we choose to make the right choices...don't worry though a time will come when humans will have evolve much highly in spiritual awareness. wars and epidemics will be no more.. its a process.. Just hope we dont drop the ball again and self-destruct like we did the last time when humanity was at this juncture of its evolution…. i believe in my heart that we won't.. this era will be the time of the great awakening and i believe many will awake to the task

As within so without... One thing that puzzles me is why Africans are quick to complain about racism and yet majority subscribe to the ideas of the most racist Gods