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Fabricated story. Still being propagated by people
We are muslims. Those who fear Allah don't need lies to do Allah;s work
Congrats to the propaganda brigade

http://www.alternet.org/world/exhibit-how-islamophobic-meme-can-spread-wildfire-across-internet

https://www.nairaland.com/1155752/website-retracts-false-news-sheik#13741467


January 2, 2013 |

Editor's note: On January 2, AlterNet was one of several outlets that published what turned out to be an article based on a false report. We apologize to our readers for the error.


There was also skepticism from many quarters about the veracity of the report, particularly among savvy Mideast experts. Rightly so. The story, much like one a few months ago about Egyptian Islamist MPs proposing laws that permitted sex with a deceased spouse up to six hours after his/her death, turned out to be a gross lie. Sheikh Al-Arifi has issued a denial via his Facebook page. Over the next few days, the various Web sites and media outlets that spread the story will no doubt issue their retractions.


For starters, where did it come from? AlterNet inadvertently picked it up from the overtly anti-Islamic Clarion Fund site. Others pointed to the Iranian regime-backed Press TV as the primary source on Dec. 31, 2012. But the earliest English language reporting comes on December 29 from an obscure YouTube news site called Eretz Zen, tagged as a YouTube channel by a “secular Syrian opposed to having [his] country turned into a Taliban-like state."

Ariifi is one of the controversial scholars
I would take the opinion of Shayk Fawzan instead of Ariifi
It is obvious why he is your favourite

But those Shia scholars who are obviously misguided are the ones you are listening to
That is the difference between us

Watch the video earlier posted.Arifi is recorded on camera with sound and picture uttering the insult that the Prophet (s) "might have sold alcohol".it is recorded on camera,and not a mere written statement Arifi or websites could retract,as was the case with his purported statements on Syrian women.your "guided" sheikh is insulting the Prophet (s).watch the video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZoGjqkUMz0

And Sunnis have excused him like you excuse the Shias who glorify making dua to the dead?
Significant difference.
We publicly distance ourselves from those who step out of line

But when we point out that a Shia declare that
1. The world was created because of the Prophet (PBUH)
2. The Prophet (PBUH) was created because of Ali (RA)
3. Both of them (the Prophet (PBUH) and Ali (RA) were created because of Fatima (RA)
4. When an Imam declares kun faya kun (Be!), it will be which is the exclusive right of Allah

I don't see Shias disputing those claims. They come rapidly in support

Insulting the Prophet (PBUH) should not be condoned at all by an Muslim. May Allah save us from fitna
But what is worse is to assert that a human being has the power such that his declarations will come to pass or that he can answer dua. But this one is acceptable to Shias

BetaThings: And Sunnis have excused him like you excuse the Shias who glorify making dua to the dead?
Significant difference.

we do not accept making dua to the dead.we do tawassul.it is your interpretation that we make dua to the dead.you keep repeating the same thing over again.we have gone through that earlier.why repeat the same thing? you're possibly lost and confused,seeing the truth but refusing to accept.so you repeat the lie to make it sound truth,and to feel better.this is oppression when you attribute something to another person,which that person rejects.the christians would accuse you too of worshipping the Ka'ba.and so what?

We publicly distance ourselves from those who step out of line

.
good.i brought up arifi's case and his insulting remark on alcohol and the Prophet (s) to show you have Sunnis especially the wahhabis/salafists among them ae unable to see things clear.they made a video on a remark by Ayatollah Haidary,by taking a term out of context-even though in my opinion the Ayatollah could have used a better word to convey his idea;nonetheless a little though could clarify what Ayatollah Haidary meant.but here we have Arifi making a statement that insults the person of the Prophet (s) and we heard nothing.you are just now "distancing yourself" from him.in fact the thread i started on him and his alcohol statement is no longer to be found.it most likely was taken down by Maclatunji by the possible instigation of "Arifi junior",tbaba.it is unfortunate when africans accept blindness of Sunni arabs under the impression of "Islam".it is time we think independently.if Shia Islam can make us think and appreciate the gift of the intellect,then we must accept it.

But when we point out that a Shia declare that
1. The world was created because of the Prophet (PBUH)
2. The Prophet (PBUH) was created because of Ali (RA)
3. Both of them (the Prophet (PBUH) and Ali (RA) were created because of Fatima (RA)
4. When an Imam declares kun faya kun (Be!), it will be which is the exclusive right of Allah

already replied to these.

I don't see Shias disputing those claims. They come rapidly in support

we explain things and our beliefs in line with logic,reasoning and Islamic texts.if you are good enough to see the truth,thank God.if not,then you are on your own.

what is for instancethe difference between you acccusing us falsely and maliciously of "worshipping the dead" and christians accusing muslims of worshipping the Ka'ba or the black stone? in the latter,you are forced to think.but in the former you refuse any attempt to make you think.you have made your choice.so we can do nothing.you are a free moral agent.

Insulting the Prophet (PBUH) should not be condoned at all by an Muslim. May Allah save us from fitna
But what is worse is to assert that a human being has the power such that his declarations will come to pass or that he can answer dua. But this one is acceptable to Shias

by the permission of Allah (jj),it is possible.Allah is the "giver of life".yet the Quran says Jesus (as) gave life to the death.so is Jesus (as) "god"? no,he is not even though christians do cite that as a reason or rather excuse why they believe Jesus (as) is "god" or a supernatural being.however,the Quran makes it clear that he gave life by God's permission.

Zhul-fiqar:

we do not accept making dua to the dead.we do tawassul.it is your interpretation that we make dua to the dead.you keep repeating the same thing over again.we have gone through that earlier.why repeat the same thing? you're possibly lost and confused,seeing the truth but refusing to accept.

I will never accept it as the TRUTH. You think it is, But you are wrong!
Ali ibn Talib (RA), may his grave be widened beyond imagination, rests peacefully in his grave
Saying "Ya Ali, Ya Amirul Mumineen, your slaves are suffering, come to our aid" is shirk. This belief is UNSHAKEABLE

Zhul-fiqar:

good.i brought up arifi's case and his insulting remark on alcohol and the Prophet (s) to show you have Sunnis especially the wahhabis/salafists among them ae unable to see things clear.they made a video on a remark by Ayatollah Haidary,by taking a term out of context-even though in my opinion the Ayatollah could have used a better word to convey his idea;nonetheless a little though could clarify what Ayatollah Haidary meant.but here we have Arifi making a statement that insults the person of the Prophet (s) and we heard nothing.you are just now "distancing yourself" from him.in fact the thread i started on him and his alcohol statement is no longer to be found.it most likely was taken down by Maclatunji by the possible instigation of "Arifi junior",tbaba.it is unfortunate when africans accept blindness of Sunni arabs under the impression of "Islam".it is time we think independently.if Shia Islam can make us think and appreciate the gift of the intellect,then we must accept it.

Your statements drip of schism all the time. It is so amazing!
Avoid suspicion. investigate issues

Scholars have been rebutting Ariifi for a while on a number of issues
he is typically seen as a teller of stories to make people laugh. Women in particular as susceptible to his methodology

But while you think sunnis are unable to see things clear they have rebutted Ariifi
You have claimed in the past that there are differences of opinion amongst sunnis
So why should I call you up on every issue I disagree with. You have never asked me my opinion on Ariifi
So why should you think the "distancing" is recent

But the Shias are always united even when the opinion is wrong

I prefer the blindness of Sunni Arabs to the clear vision of Persian Shias
Why? The sunnis have an internal mechanism for correcting themsleves but Shias just dig in

Zhul-fiqar:

what is for instancethe difference between you acccusing us falsely and maliciously of "worshipping the dead" and christians accusing muslims of worshipping the Ka'ba or the black stone? in the latter,you are forced to think.but in the former you refuse any attempt to make you think.you have made your choice.so we can do nothing.you are a free moral agent.

Shias say Ya Ali madad
Nobody says Ya Ka'ba Madad
But Christians are truly misguided. They say In Jesus name

Zhul-fiqar:

by the permission of Allah (jj),it is possible.Allah is the "giver of life".yet the Quran says Jesus (as) gave life to the death.so is Jesus (as) "god"? no,he is not even though christians do cite that as a reason or rather excuse why they believe Jesus (as) is "god" or a supernatural being.however,the Quran makes it clear that he gave life by God's permission.

If I can say
Iyyaka na`budu wa 'iyyaka nasta`in
Ihdina-s-sirata-l-mustaqima

I have the right to call on Ar'Rahman and Ar'Raheem and ask him
If I want tawasul. I go to somebody who is ALIVE and who I believe fears Allah and tell him, please make dua for me
I expect him to
begin in the name of Allah, seek refuge with Allah from the accursed Shaytan, praise Allah, seek blessings on the Prophet (PBUH), seeks forgiveness for the sins of both of us and all Muslims and then tell Allah, "your servant wants this and that, please give it to him" etc

BetaThings:

I will never accept it as the TRUTH. You think it is, But you are wrong!
Ali ibn Talib (RA), may his grave be widened beyond imagination, rests peacefully in his grave
Saying "Ya Ali, Ya Amirul Mumineen, your slaves are suffering, come to our aid" is shirk. This belief is UNSHAKEABLE



Your statements drip of schism all the time. It is so amazing!
Avoid suspicion. investigate issues

Scholars have been rebutting Ariifi for a while on a number of issues
he is typically seen as a teller of stories to make people laugh. Women in particular as susceptible to his methodology

But while you think sunnis are unable to see things clear they have rebutted Ariifi
You have claimed in the past that there are differences of opinion amongst sunnis
So why should I call you up on every issue I disagree with. You have never asked me my opinion on Ariifi
So why should you think the "distancing" is recent

But the Shias are always united even when the opinion is wrong

I prefer the blindness of Sunni Arabs to the clear vision of Persian Shias
Why? The sunnis have an internal mechanism for correcting themsleves but Shias just dig in


Shias say Ya Ali madad
Nobody says Ya Ka'ba Madad
But Christians are truly misguided. They say In Jesus name




If I can say
Iyyaka na`budu wa 'iyyaka nasta`in
Ihdina-s-sirata-l-mustaqima

I have the right to call on Ar'Rahman and Ar'Raheem and ask him
If I want tawasul. I go to somebody who is ALIVE and who I believe fears Allah and tell him, please make dua for me
I expect him to
begin in the name of Allah, seek refuge with Allah from the accursed Shaytan, praise Allah, seek blessings on the Prophet (PBUH), seeks forgiveness for the sins of both of us and all Muslims and then tell Allah, "your servant wants this and that, please give it to him" etc

i cannot go over the same issue over and over again.go back pages in this thread and read what we discussed to refresh your mind.you can also find older threads on this topic.you have made up your mind and made your choice,good for you.but if you accuse me of shirk to my face,i am very sure you wont find it funny,and i am very sure you wont have the guts to do so,not out of fear,but out of lack of confidence on what you're falsely accusing others of.no one says "Ya Ka'ba Madad" because the Ka'ba is not a living being;but no Muslim can go to Hajj and complete his pilgrimage if the black stone is not kissed.kissing the black stone is an essential part of hajj and is not shirk,but kissing the grave of the Prophet (s) or Imam Ali (as) is shirk (idolatry/polytheism) according to wahhabis/salafists.i dont know how that logically works.greeting the Prophet (s) in prayers while the Prophet (s) is buried thousands of miles away and is physically dead is not "shirk" to wahhabis/salafists,but the Shia or anyone (even among Sunnis) who say Ya Ali or even Ya Muhammad is "shirk" to wahhabis/salafists.again,i dont know how that logical works.it seems they sometimes do things as religious practice for FUN and as past time! Tawassul (intercession) is not shirk and in Islam the righteous and chosen dead can perceive and are not spiritually dead.worship is only for Allah.but you have no right to impose on others and define what they do and their intention,to be worship or not.allow others to express what they believe without wahhabism/salafism trying to oppress the freedom of belief of others,by forcing tags on others that others do not accept.

i just want to correct the perception that Sunnis are arabs and Shia are persians.that is not true.Persian Iran was a "Sunni country" up to the 16th century.Egypt was Shia,and Salahedding bloodily converted the egyptians into Sunnism.the arabs in Iraq and Bahrain and Lebanon are mostly Shia.in Saudi Arabia,kuwait and the UAE,there is a sizeable Shia population in spite of oppression.in Yemen,the arab population is almost close divided between Shia and Sunnis.in the holy city of Medina (Saudi Arabia) alone,there is an estimated 100,000 Shia Muslims who form the historical and indigenous population of the holy city,and they are known as NAKHAWILAH.

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. Ya Nabi; Blessing of Allah be upon Muhammad and his Ahl ul Bayt.

It is clear from the video that Bilal Philips is not Shia
So what he says is different from the topic of your post or even your comments
So we believe that you watched it and the only option left is that you assumed that we would not watch it and fall for your propaganda that Bilal Philips speaks in favour of Shi'ism
If you believe that is being unfair, then we settle for the alternative that you lied originally (that you watched it) and you have done so again - BetaThings

Salaam BetaThings. I watched the Bilal Phillips video. I didn't understand everything that he mentioned. So, I asked if he was a shia Muslim. I haven't seen another video titled 'shia are not muslims'. Maybe I should watch that one too!
If you are looking for an argument, you will not find one with me!

Concerning the Ammar Nakhshwani video that you posted, I watched it also, but I was unable to follow it too well as the sound was not too good, or the voice quality was lacking. But I did read the words, and I did not agree with them all. I'm not well grounded in Arabic grammar, so as to who the world was made for, (Muhammad S.A.W., Fatimah A.S., all of the people) you should contact someone well versed in Arabic grammar.


Wassalaam. DevotedOne