Logicboy03:
The process of making thought is very physical. Go and read.

I won't read. You answer the question. How did the brain get the reasoning ability that allows it to apprehend morality ?

Uyi Iredia:

I won't read. You answer the question. How did the brain get the reasoning ability that allows it to apprehend morality ?

Evolution

Logicboy03:


Consciousness is tied to the brain. No brain no consciousness. We know how tangible the brain is.

A very good answer. Mixing an abstract with the physical.


You cant touch me

Yes indeed consciousness is tied to the brain. But that's not the question. Its how did the brain start to apprehend morality ?

Uyi Iredia:

Yes indeed consciousness is tied to the brain. But that's not the question. Its how did the brain start to apprehend morality ?

Good question. Meet me in 30 years after neurosurgery has become super advanced

Logicboy03:

Evolution

Certainly not. Unless evolution possesses morality.

Logicboy03:


Good question. Meet me in 30 years after neurosurgery has become super advanced

A good way of avoiding the question.

Uyi Iredia:

A good way of avoiding the question.

You asked a question that has no answer.


I am getting close to abusing you

Logicboy03:

You asked a question that has no answer.


I am getting close to abusing you

Sharrap. Didn't you just say evolution.

Uyi Iredia:

Sharrap. Didn't you just say evolution.

That was to a different question

Logicboy03:


That was to a different question

Lol, really? Do you need glasses or is your English comprehension that poor?

Mr_Anony:
Lol, really? Do you need glasses or is your English comprehension that poor?

Lol....you need your head examined. Does this question (in bold) have an answer?

Uyi Iredia:

Yes indeed consciousness is tied to the brain. But that's not the question. Its how did the brain start to apprehend morality ?

Logicboy03:
Lol....you need your head examined. Does this question (in bold) have an answer?

And how is that question different from this question:

Uyi Iredia:
I won't read. You answer the question. How did the brain get the reasoning ability that allows it to apprehend morality ?

To which you answered:

Logicboy03:
Evolution

Lol, It is either you are indirectly admitting that evolution is a non-answer or you do really need glasses........may I suggest AUTOGLASS?

Mr_Anony:
And how is that question different from this question:



To which you answered:




Lol, It is either you are indirectly admitting that evolution is a non-answer or you do really need glasses........may I suggest AUTOGLASS?

one question asks "how" the other asks "when"


how- many animals have brains but they cant reason...we evolved with a bigger brain capable of reasoning


when-



Just shut up.

Logicboy03:



one question asks "how" the other asks "when"


how- many animals have brains but they cant reason...we evolved with a bigger brain capable of reasoning


when-



Just shut up.

Lol, please clean your glasses windshield and read it again. I am pretty sure that both questions ask how.

....AUTOGLASS repair. AUTOGLASS replace....

Mr_Anony:
Lol, please clean your glasses windshield and read it again. I am pretty sure that both questions ask how.

....AUTOGLASS repair. AUTOGLASS replace....

You have nothing to say.

Uyi Iredia:

Yes indeed consciousness is tied to the brain. But that's not the question. Its how did the brain start to apprehend morality ?

Mr_Anony:
Lol, please clean your glasses windshield and read it again. I am pretty sure that both questions ask how.

....AUTOGLASS repair. AUTOGLASS replace....

Which is indeed correct. Logicboy clearly didn't read properly. Both questions meant the same thing albeit phrased differently.

Uyi Iredia:

Which is indeed correct. Logicboy clearly didn't read properly. Both questions meant the same thing albeit phrased differently.

Uyi Iredia:

Which is indeed correct. Logicboy clearly didn't read properly. Both questions meant the same thing albeit phrased differently.

Funny enough, I have had more or less the same exact argument with logicboy as you are having. From my experience, I have come to find that reasoning with logicboy is an effort in futiliity

Mr_Anony:
Funny enough, I have had more or less the same exact argument with logicboy as you are having. From my experience, I have come to find that reasoning with logicboy is an effort in futiliity

LOL,

that statement really applies to you. From experience i have long realised that reasoning with you is an effort in futility as you are very good at rationalising anything you want to rationalise, however ridiculous it is. They didnt name you artful dodger for no reason.

Its understandable, because the first thing religion does on a human brain is to deactivate reason in favor of faith.


If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.
-Dr. Gregory House.

cyrexx:

LOL,

that statement really applies to you. From experience i have long realised that reasoning with you is an effort in futility as you are very good at rationalising anything you want to rationalise, however ridiculous it is. They didnt name you artful dodger for no reason.

Its understandable, because the first thing religion does on a human brain is to deactivate reason in favor of faith.


If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.
-Dr. Gregory House.

Lol, isn't it funny how you claim that I cannot reason and yet at the same time I can rationalize things that you consider ridiculous.

Perhaps the real problem is not my "inability" to reason but that I am not accepting your version of "reason."

Even funnier is that when I ask you simple basic questions that like "what is atheism and what advantages does it have over following Christ?" You immediately call me an "artful dodger" while at the same time you are dodging my question in the process.

We both know that you cannot even properly explain or defend this "disbelief" of yours but you fanatically hold on to it anyway calling it "logic and reason". You make me laugh

As I have said a many times before. You were never a christian. You only exchanged one form of brainwashing for another.

^^

Because i dont respond to your silly questions doesnt mean i cant answer, i just refuse to go down that road with you. You are a joker

I've said it before and i will say it again here: because you are unable to properly define the word "SENSIBLE" for me too, i will take it that you were never a sensible person in your life or you have lived your life exchanging one form of senselessness for another form of senselessnes.

Simple.

I will start taking you serious when you are serious. Right now, you are a joker.

cyrexx: ^^

Because i dont respond to your silly questions doesnt mean i cant answer, i just refuse to go down that road with you. You are a joker

I've said it before and i will say it again here: because you refuse to define the word "sensible" for me too, i will take it that you were never a sensible person in your life or you have lived your exchanging one form of senselessness for another form of senselessnes.

Simple.

I will start taking you serious when you are serious. Right now, you are a joker.

Lol, as I expected. . . . .he would rather throw up a smoke screen and try run away than actually engage in discourse.

Anyway, let me call your bluff by offering you a deal: If I define the word "sensible" to you will you explain to me what atheism is and what advantages it has over following Christ?

You really think you have to define that word for me....

Anony, you are funnier than I thought.

Okay i will define atheism for you when you *laughing* define *laughing harder again* the word sensible for me.

cyrexx: You really think you have to define that word for me....

Anony, you are funnier than I thought.

Okay i will define atheism for you when you *laughing* define *laughing harder again* the word sensible for me.

Lol, I knew you really had no intention of me answering the question, it was just some nonsense you threw up to help you run away in the hope that I won't press it further. How cowardly of you.

I have now called your bluff but upon looking at your carefully worded reply (bold), I see that you haven't yet accepted my terms. I don't need you to just throw me a definition of atheism

My terms are that in exchange for the definition you seek, you must tell me why being an atheist is better than following Christ. You claim to have done the two so this shouldn't be a difficult request at all. so please stop stalling, accept my terms and let us move past this foolishness.

O, I can see that you are getting serious, or at least pretending to be serious.

Meanwhile, I know that you know the meaning of atheism already and you dont really need my definition, the same way i know the meaning of sensible and i really dont need your definition.

I just thought its silly of you to be asking me those definitions and questions.

And may i know why you want me to define atheism? Is it because you want to prove that i dont know what atheism is or what?

cyrexx: O, I can see that you are getting serious, or at least pretending to be serious.

Meanwhile, I know that you know the meaning of atheism already and you dont really need my definition, the same way i know the meaning of sensible and i really dont need your definition.

I just thought its frivolous of you to ask me those definitions.

And may i know why you want me to define atheism? Is it because you want to prove that i dont know what atheism is or what?

Good so now we are finally having an adult conversation.

You claim that you were once a christian but that now you are an atheist. You are even zealously pushing your atheist propaganda as the way forward.

I on the other hand was once an atheist but then I found Christ and now I follow Him therefore I am a Christian. I can't understand how anyone can follow Christ in truth and suddenly turn to atheism all of a sudden.

So I ask you. What are the advantages of being an atheist over following Jesus Christ?

Mr_Anony:
Good so now we are finally having an adult conversation.

You claim that you were once a christian but that now you are an atheist. You are even zealously pushing your atheist propaganda as the way forward.

I on the other hand was once an atheist but then I found Christ and now I follow Him therefore I am a Christian. I can't understand how anyone can follow Christ in truth and suddenly turn to atheism all of a sudden.

it is not all of a sudden. It started several years ago after i read the whole bible for myself for what it really says, not what we are taught it says , i read completely both the old and new testament; and after i find out about the history of the origins of christianity and after i find out how the clergies and pastors are using christianity to control the masses; among several other discoveries i made personally.

Many waters have passed under the bridge. But its not all of a sudden. I was a skeptic/agnostic leaning more toward christianity all those years, i became a full atheist about a year ago, it was a gradual process, though..

So I ask you. What are the advantages of being an atheist over following Jesus Christ?

there is no general advantageous experience that every atheists will have because atheism is not a religion that has codes that all atheists must follow. People's experience will differ. Some former religionists can almost run mad when they realise the truth that the god they rever all their life was just man-made.

Just see atheism, if you will, as a cure and recovery from the mental virus called religion, christianity in my own case. Atheism is just a realisation of the truth that religion and the God(s) of those religions are all man-made control mechanism. It is man that wrote the holy books and it is men like you who speak for god. Let god speak to us for once and we will know that christianity or islam or any other religion is NOT man-made.

Atheism is similar to the same way a child outgrows santa claus belief and realise that santa claus was only a man-made phenomenon.

I could have kept silent about my atheism (this is a reponse to your accusation of my propaganda), but when i realise how the pastors, especially nigerian pastors, were manipulating people using religion and how people were being motivated to commit heinious acts (boko haram menace) because of beliefs similar to santa claus, somebody has join the voice of atheism crying in the wilderness saying "Hammer the Gods" cos all the gods including yahweh and allah were evidently man-made.

I can list other advantages that many others have experienced as how and why atheism is better than religion. But let this suffice for now.

Are we good now, mr anony?

cyrexx:

it is not all of a sudden. It started several years ago after i read the whole bible for myself at face value,both the old and new testament; and after i find out about the history of the origins of christianity and after i find out how the clergies and pastors are using christianity to control the masses; among several other discoveries i made personally.

Many waters have passed under the bridge. But its not all of a sudden. I was a skeptic/agnostic leaning more toward christianity all those years, i became a full atheist about a year ago, it was a gradual process, though..

You see, what turned you away was not Christianity but an abuse of it. That was what you were into and that's what you came out of.

I gave an example earlier of a person living in The Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea (North Korea). Assuming he comes to the conclusion that democracy is evil based on his experience, I think it will be fair to point out to him that what he experienced in his country is not democracy.

there is no general advantageous experience that every atheists will have because atheism is not a religion that has codes that all atheists must follow. People's experience will differ. Some former religionists can almost run mad when they realise the truth that the god they rever all their life was just man-made.

What you haven't explained is how you came by this "truth". You just assert it. Anyway moving on...

Just see atheism, if you will, as a cure and recovery from the mental virus called religion, christianity in my own case. Atheism is just a realisation of the truth that religion and the God(s) of those religions are all man-made control mechanism. It is man that wrote the holy books and it is men like you who speak for god. Let god speak to us for once and we will know that christianity or islam or any other religion is NOT man-made.

But then God speaks through Jesus Christ. Have you obeyed him fully first?

Atheism is similar to the same way a child outgrows santa claus belief and realise that santa claus was only a man-made phenomenon.

Actually it isn't and I'll explain why a bit later.

I could have kept silent about my atheism (this is a reponse to your accusation of my propaganda), but when i realise how the pastors, especially nigerian pastors, were manipulating people using religion and how people were being motivated to commit heinious acts (boko haram menace) because of beliefs similar to santa claus, somebody has join the voice of atheism crying in the wilderness saying "Hammer the Gods" cos all the gods including yahweh and allah were evidently man-made.

The truth is that if you were really interested in helping people, you would have challenged the teaching of these so called "pastors" and tried to show people that these pastors are lying against the same bible they claim to be preaching. . . . . .but you didn't instead you use techniques of mockery and ridicule. If your position is true, why is it necessary to mock people and verbally bully them into it?

What is the difference between you guys and Boko Haram? While BH inspire the fear of physical violence, you lot try to inspire the fear of ridicule. It is the same fear that used to motivate you before(the fear of hell). . . . .but the bible clearly says that perfect love casts out fear.

I can list other advantages that many others have experienced as how and why atheism is better than religion. But let this suffice for now.

Are we good now, mr anony?

Actually, you have not listed one advantage yet. All you have just done is say "I used to believe X before but now I believe Y". You still haven't told me the benefit of believing Y over X. . . . .but then in your own words;

"....there is no general advantageous experience that every atheists will have because atheism is not a religion that has codes that all atheists must follow." -Cyrexx, Nairaland 2013

The above quote raises the question: If there is no advantage to be gained from turning to atheism, why preach it? What is it exactly that you guys are selling?

LOL,

Why did I fall for your dubious tricks this morning , read again thru my post and please dont miquote (actually i think its called quote-mine) me, thats low of you.

You combed thru all my posts ignoring most of what I said, only to select few of my words that you dwell on to deliberately miscostrue my entire message.

For instance you ignore this statement:

"Just see atheism, if you will, as a cure and recovery from the mental virus called religion, christianity in my own case. Atheism is just a realisation of the truth that religion and the God(s) of those religions are all man-made control mechanism. It is man that wrote the holy books and it is men like you who speak for god. Let god speak to us for once and we will know that christianity or islam or any other religion is NOT man-made."


You just showed your true colours. You want to change the direction of the thread and start making me to defend what i dont have to defend.

By the way, the emphasis of that my misconstrued quote above is NOT on "advantageous" but on "general".

There is no general.... Never mind. You will still look for something else again to quote-mine

Before we continue, I will demand you to

1. Read entirely thru my post and comment on major points i raised instead of searching for some words you thought you can use to discredit my entire post.

2. explain how you came to atheism and satanism and how you come to realise that christianity is better than other religions

Quote mining is the deceitful tactic of taking quotes out of context in order to make them seemingly agree with the quote miner's viewpoint. It's a way of lying. This tactic is widely used among Young Earth Creationists in an attempt to discredit evolution
-Rational Wiki

this is anonysm in action

Uyi Iredia: I won't read. You answer the question. How did the brain get the reasoning ability that allows it to apprehend morality ?

Moral thinking has evolved over time. In bible times, slavery was deemed to be acceptable, which is why it was not condemned even in the new testament. (Looking at a woman's boobies? Sin! Enslaving your fellow man? That's ok). But nowadays, most people see slavery as a serious and unacceptable crime against humanity. Our moral thinking on slavery has evolved.

I think Morality is a result of people thinking about what kind of society they'd rather live in.

Murder is considered morally wrong because no one wants to live in a world where anyone you meet can kill you at anytime without consequences. You cant make long term plans to improve your life if you know you could be killed at any time. As a result, societies that forbid murder and punish murderers harshly have thrived.

Adultery is considered morally wrong because no man wants to devote his life to the care of a woman's children if he is not sure that the children belong to him. Societies that enforce marital faithfulness by punishing adultery have thrived because men in such societies are motivated to participate in the care and nurturing of children.

The problem with bible-based morality is that the bible's morality is 2,000 years old. People who insist on basing their morality on ancient books can't evolve their morality very much, despite the fact that we know a lot of things that the writers of those ancient books didn't know, which should enable us to make better decisions about what should be considered morally wrong.

^^^
Chilling for the Old Testament bashing squad.. If Xtians had their way, only the Psalms, Proverbs and Eccl. would form the OT.