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Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Pygru: 9:28am On May 27, 2013
Chukskalidon:
I did be happy if you give clear assertions based on quote...thanks
wetin
gringringrin
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 12:35pm On May 27, 2013
Chukskalidon:
Can someone combine for me these two sentences to concur and be true to each other cos I can't.
You're not sure of yourself. Try and be sure about before your next post.

I'm a Catholic becuz I belong to the body of Christ- the Univeral Church, all those who are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus.

I stopped being A Roman Catholic...
It's a demonination. Let me save U the details, amazE persoN
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 12:53pm On May 27, 2013
Chukskalidon:
lol.... You really amaze me. You've made yourself a subject to ridicule. You keep on quoting aimlessly... The Bible verse you quoted says "whatever you bind on earth shall be bind in Heaven and whatever you released on earth shall be released in Heaven." And I understand from your assertions that on earth the Bible gives the right to pray for and forgive sins in the name God...thats good. I also understand that you made it clear that the saints, angels and the righteous ones in heaven are deprived of that right...as the Bible didn't include them...well thats very bad.
I've asked you to ask for God's wisdom. I don't understand...must you understand and explain everything literally? Who is/are the heavens? What are the roles of angels and saints in Heaven?
We are meant to understand the angels and saints worships, glorifies and give praises to God. And the Bible said that "he who sings well prayed twice". So, can you imagine the multiples of prayers rendered in Heaven to God?
You are so wiseless to ask about the rights of the saints in Heaven in the Bible forgetting that Heaven is God and God is more than mysteries.
You want the rights of the saints in Heaven? As God to send the list and time table in Heaven as you can be so lame and unthoughtful. You can as well show a Bible verse that says that saints don't have the right to pray.
You so underestimate the Holy Mary and Her powers to intercede. Remember that in Luke 1:39-56, her greetings alone filled Elisabeth with the Holy Ghost...what do you think will happen when she prays at the feet of the almighty God.

Your line of argument shows that you may never agree with my reasoning becuz to you, I lack understanding, wisdom and logic.

Your reply on this is more or less a hate- talk, and I know my crime. I have disrespected to Holy1, the Mother of our Lord and by implicaton the Roman catholic Church.

However, you would be doing me and other non-Rcatholics gr8 help by convincing us using the bible to establish the place of Mary on earth as regards the Christian or Catholic faith.

If you do this, I'll be blessed, cuz my stand abf Mary as regards praying for 'us sinners' may be wrong, which may have eternal consequencies.
Help me see the light if U care.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by mcfynest(m): 5:42pm On May 27, 2013
striktlymi: ...Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us (and indeed me) sinners (a sinner), now and at the hour of our (my) death. Amen!!!
abeg pls stop dis heresy n idol worship..... y av u forgotten anne? d so called mother of mary? so dis person na catholic....meen i jst dey knw
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Nobody: 7:43pm On May 28, 2013
mcfynest:
abeg pls stop dis heresy n idol worship..... y av u forgotten anne? d so called mother of mary? so dis person na catholic....meen i jst dey knw
Its not my problem that you don't understand the meaning of worship.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Ubenedictus(m): 6:55pm On May 29, 2013
ajufinz:

Please, is that scripture talking abf the saint on earth or those in heaven?
i asked you a question, it would be polite to answer instead of asking me another question.
Please give me the passage that said the bolded and i'll be more than happy to answer you question.
Thanks.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Ubenedictus(m): 7:01pm On May 29, 2013
ajufinz:

I'm a Catholic becuz I belong to the body of Christ- the Univeral Church, all those who are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus.

I stopped being A Roman Catholic...
It's a demonination. Let me save U the details, amazE persoN
please correct yourself, all who through baptism are saved by grace thru faith in Christ Jesus are called Christian.
All who have accepted completely all the teaching of Christ given thru the apostle as preserved by the historic catholic church are called Catholics since antiquity.
Thanks
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Ubenedictus(m): 7:27pm On May 29, 2013
ajufinz:

Your line of argument shows that you may never agree with my reasoning becuz to you, I lack understanding, wisdom and logic.

Your reply on this is more or less a hate- talk, and I know my crime. I have disrespected to Holy1, the Mother of our Lord and by implicaton the Roman catholic Church.

However, you would be doing me and other non-Rcatholics gr8 help by convincing us using the bible to establish the place of Mary on earth as regards the Christian or Catholic faith.

If you do this, I'll be blessed, cuz my stand abf Mary as regards praying for 'us sinners' may be wrong, which may have eternal consequencies.
Help me see the light if U care.
this points may become apparent if you wish to continue the discussion.
The first point about mary is that she is the biological mother of Jesus and to put it in the word of an early christian "Emmanuel (christ) is in truth God and on this account the holy virgin is the mother of God- since according to the flesh she brought forth the Word of God made flesh".
This may be implied from from passage attesting to the divinity of Christ and passages attesting to Mary's true motherhood.
Passages attesting to the divinity of christ include is 7:14, 8:8, jn1:1, passages attesting to the motherhood of mary include, jn2:1 "mother of Jesus", mt1:18,2:11,13,20, 12:46, 13:55 "His mother" luk1:43 "mother of the lord", is7:14, lk1:31, 1:35, gal4:4.
This may form the bed of my discussion on this topic.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Ubenedictus(m): 7:34pm On May 29, 2013
ajufinz:

Your line of argument shows that you may never agree with my reasoning becuz to you, I lack understanding, wisdom and logic.

Your reply on this is more or less a hate- talk, and I know my crime. I have disrespected to Holy1, the Mother of our Lord and by implicaton the Roman catholic Church.

However, you would be doing me and other non-Rcatholics gr8 help by convincing us using the bible to establish the place of Mary on earth as regards the Christian or Catholic faith.

If you do this, I'll be blessed, cuz my stand abf Mary as regards praying for 'us sinners' may be wrong, which may have eternal consequencies.
Help me see the light if U care.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 7:50pm On May 29, 2013
Ubenedictus: ...

Thanx for the answers but this a digression from our talk. Can we stick with ours, the poster would do justice to this question.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 7:51pm On May 29, 2013
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Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 7:59pm On May 29, 2013
Ubenedictus: please correct yourself, all who through baptism are saved by grace thru faith in Christ Jesus are called Christian.
All who have accepted completely all the teaching of Christ given thru the apostle as preserved by the historic catholic church are called Catholics since antiquity.
Thanks

Please, Allow the poster to handle my answers, he knows best why he's asking.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 8:12pm On May 29, 2013
Ubenedictus: i asked you a question, it would be polite to answer instead of asking me another question.
Please give me the passage that said the bolded and i'll be more than happy to answer you question.
Thanks.

Apologies please, back to ur question which was a direct reaction to my earlier statement;
"for Mary the bible does not give her that grace.(I've not seen) She and all the saints have no authority on earth, that belongs to the living (occupants of earth)."

Gen1:28 (Adam&Eve)
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
In the above, God defined the authority of 'man' on earth.

Matthew 28:18-20(NIV) Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Here, was the assignment & promise God (The Son) gave Man after paying the price and redeeming Mankind. Maintaining .... I'm with U always, to the very end of the age. The connect lost at Eden has finally being corrected.

The assignment & promise is to all followers of Jesus (the occupants of earth).

By the above Sir, God's plan for Man is set on course, many thanks to the saints who have gone before us, from Noah - Mary and the first Disciples.

So, if Jesus is with me (a believer and follower) always and till the end of the age. Why border any other, when ALL AUTHORITY in heaven&earth is given to only Him. All that matters now is to do His will Matt. 28:18-.

Check out the Acts of the Apostle... It was All about Jesus.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Nobody: 8:06pm On May 31, 2013
ajufinz:

Your line of argument shows that you may never agree with my reasoning becuz to you, I lack understanding, wisdom and logic.

Your reply on this is more or less a hate- talk, and I know my crime. I have disrespected to Holy1, the Mother of our Lord and by implicaton the Roman catholic Church.

However, you would be doing me and other non-Rcatholics gr8 help by convincing us using the bible to establish the place of Mary on earth as regards the Christian or Catholic faith.

If you do this, I'll be blessed, cuz my stand abf Mary as regards praying for 'us sinners' may be wrong, which may have eternal consequencies.
Help me see the light if U care.
Bro, I don't hate you...if I do I wouldn't enjoy your logic and reply back. Beside, I won't advice anyone to hate. Hatred is an unfriendly vice that violates God's Blessings.
You want me to convince you Mary's stand using the Bible.
The veneration of Mary started with the early Christians..and most of them are apostles and real followers of Jesus Christ who can give account of Christianity at any level. So, veneration of Mary is a tradition.
In 2 Thessalonian 2:15, St Paul wrote "So then, brothers, stand firm and
hold to the traditions that you
were taught by us, either by our
spoken word or by our letter". So veneration of Mary is a tradition passed on to us from the apostles and followers of Christ at the early centuries.
I know it wouldn't make any sense since you have a solid stand on the Bible. As earlier stated on the thread. The Bible pronounced through Mary's Magnificant that "all generation shall call her blessed". In the New Testament she was severally refered as the "mother of God"
During the Wedding at Cana, Mary possibly was the reason God performed his first miracle. And, yet people like you still look down on her? And asking for a Bible verse that justifies her? Remember that her veneration had started earlier in the early christianity.
And please could you remind me when the Holy Bible was compiled?
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Nobody: 9:50pm On May 31, 2013
The inability for people to understand the large disparity between veneration and worshp/worshipping is the basis of their unwise and baseless insinuations towards Mary the only Mother of God and the reason why some people would come up and mistook her position from the Mother of God to the One Mediator.

Although the Catholics may honour and venerate Mary, they do not view her as divine, nor do they worship her. Catholics view Mary as subordinate to Christ, but uniquely so, in that she is seen as above other creatures.
Similarly theologian Sergei Bulgakov wrote that although the Orthodox view Mary as "superior to all created beings" and "ceaselessly pray for her intercession". However, she is not considered as a "substitute to the one mediator who is Christ.
"Let Mary be honoured but worship be given to the Lord", he wrote. Similarly, Catholics do not worship Mary but venerate her. They use the term HYPERDULIA for Marian veneration instead of LATRIA that applies to God and DULIA for Saints.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 12:51am On Jun 01, 2013
Chukskalidon: The inability for people to understand the large disparity between veneration and worshp/worshipping is the basis of their unwise and baseless insinuations towards Mary the only Mother of God and the reason why some people would come up and mistook her position from the Mother of God to the One Mediator.

Although the Catholics may honour and venerate Mary, they do not view her as divine, nor do they worship her. Catholics view Mary as subordinate to Christ, but uniquely so, in that she is seen as above other creatures.
Similarly theologian Sergei Bulgakov wrote that although the Orthodox view Mary as "superior to all created beings" and "ceaselessly pray for her intercession". However, she is not considered as a "substitute to the one mediator who is Christ.
"Let Mary be honoured but worship be given to the Lord", he wrote. Similarly, Catholics do not worship Mary but venerate her. They use the term HYPERDULIA for Marian veneration instead of LATRIA that applies to God and DULIA for Saints.

I can now rest my case having read this piece.

My position about Mary must never down play her blessedness...
The 'body of Christ' must hold firm to the fact that what binds us is too powerful for what distracts us to break.

The devil has continued to fight the purpose of God for Man and will never rest until Jesus comes.

Ephesians 4:5-7 (KJV)
One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Nobody: 5:09am On Jun 01, 2013
ajufinz:
The 'body of Christ' must hold
firm to the fact that what binds
us is too powerful for what
distracts us to break.

Can you please explain what you meant by the above statement. What does it mean with respect to Mary, the Mother God?
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Nobody: 5:20am On Jun 01, 2013
ajufinz:


The devil has continued to fight the purpose of God for Man and will never rest until Jesus comes.

Ephesians 4:5-7 (KJV)
Can you relate "the continued fight by the devil to destroy God's purpose for man" to the issues concerning Mary, the Mother of God on the thread.
Thank you
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 10:57am On Jun 01, 2013
Chukskalidon:
Can you relate "the continued fight by the devil to destroy God's purpose for man" to the issues concerning Mary, the Mother of God on the thread.
Thank you

Sin at Eden was introduced by satan to destroy God's plan for man which is to live His life. Gen1:26-27...

Ever since satan had device means at every point to keep man frm that life. He's perverted every good thing man was given.

Re: what would you say to...
Every argument made on this thread that does not bring 'man' to find freedom frm satan-sin is unprofitable to man but a plus to satan. How? He must be smiling at us fightin in word when he's busy destroying mankind with pervertion.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 11:18am On Jun 01, 2013
Chukskalidon:
Can you please explain what you meant by the above statement. What does it mean with respect to Mary, the Mother God?

Simply put:
What joins us- the fact that salvation is offered 'all' through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Distractions: Doctrines and denominations.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Nobody: 12:01pm On Jun 01, 2013
ajufinz:

Simply put:
What joins us- the fact that salvation is offered 'all' through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Distractions: Doctrines and denominations.
Doctrines a distraction?
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 12:51pm On Jun 01, 2013
Chukskalidon:
Doctrines a distraction?

Yea!
Beta put Demoninational doctrines...
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by buchi4action(m): 1:18pm On Jun 01, 2013
I love you mum.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Nobody: 7:27pm On Jun 01, 2013
buchi4action: I love you mum.
Hey! You're being selfish....is she only your mum? Na our mum joor!
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Nobody: 7:28pm On Jun 01, 2013
ajufinz:

Yea!
Beta put Demoninational doctrines...
I disagree with you
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 7:55pm On Jun 01, 2013
Chukskalidon:
I disagree with you

You don't mean it...
Denominational doctrines are some of the most DANGERous arrows Christianity suffer today.

I don't believe in Praying to Mary, I don't believe in drinking too much, I don't believe in tongues, i don't believe in covering of hair, I don't believe in bleeding the blood of Jesus, i don't believe in infant baptism...
I can go on and on...
All these are produce of Denominations....
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by babestell(f): 12:04am On Jun 02, 2013
Ubenedictus and Chuks, una get time. I hope you both are aware that the reason for this thread has been defeated with this back and forth arguments. Everyday I wake I say a Hail Mary and I pray that I may exihibit the virtues of this most holy mother. grin I ;Dam also asking her to touch the hearts of all those confused catholic brothers in Mater grin grin
On a more serious note, She has always been there for me. In secondary school, I had a friend who was experiencing spiritual attacks, I gave her the rosary to wear and the attacks stopped, just by wearing the rosary. She said she could see her attackers but they could not touch her. Unfortunately she left the school a few weeks later as her parents were very concerned.
The divide between The Church and other Christians will always be there, as long as humans beings are involved, So please can we get this thread back on track cheesy
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by ajufinz(m): 9:36pm On Jun 04, 2013
babestell: Ubenedictus and Chuks, una get time. I hope you both are aware that the reason for this thread has been defeated with this back and forth arguments. Everyday I wake I say a Hail Mary and I pray that I may exihibit the virtues of this most holy mother. grin I ;Dam also asking her to touch the hearts of all those confused catholic brothers in Mater grin grin
On a more serious note, She has always been there for me. In secondary school, I had a friend who was experiencing spiritual attacks, I gave her the rosary to wear and the attacks stopped, just by wearing the rosary. She said she could see her attackers but they could not touch her. Unfortunately she left the school a few weeks later as her parents were very concerned.
The divide between The Church and other Christians will always be there, as long as humans beings are involved, So please can we get this thread back on track cheesy

O dear!
With Jesus Freaks like me the thread can't return to normal...

The most powerful fin in the rosary is the Cross....in demonizm the Cross is a great torment becuz that'z where the devil was totally defected and Sin's power over mankind was broken.

But praying 'hail Mary', doesn't gurantee U anyfin oooo. Jesus in the 'Lord's prayer...Matt 6: said when you pray say Our Father....' only sons&daughters have such access...
If you're one, please talk directly to the Father, and do so in Jesus name.

I know say I don fin trouble....
I beg No vex too much.
Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by babestell(f): 6:51am On Jun 07, 2013
Dear Ajufinz
tongue tongue tongue
Dont worry I wont vex!grin

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Re: What Would You Say To This Precious Woman, The Holy Mother Of God by Nobody: 1:01pm On Jul 30, 2013
babestell: Ubenedictus and Chuks, una get time. I hope you both are aware that the reason for this thread has been defeated with this back and forth arguments. Everyday I wake I say a Hail Mary and I pray that I may exihibit the virtues of this most holy mother. grin I ;Dam also asking her to touch the hearts of all those confused catholic brothers in Mater grin grin
On a more serious note, She has always been there for me. In secondary school, I had a friend who was experiencing spiritual attacks, I gave her the rosary to wear and the attacks stopped, just by wearing the rosary. She said she could see her attackers but they could not touch her. Unfortunately she left the school a few weeks later as her parents were very concerned.
The divide between The Church and other Christians will always be there, as long as humans beings are involved, So please can we get this thread back on track cheesy
thank u

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