mansa mastaaah slave was trully a niggger

even somali pirates invest their money and buy land with it and use it to black mail kenya by bribing their cops, buying more weapons to hijack more boats.

Somalis, as a people, cooned more for the arabs than musa did IMO.

somalia9: mansa mastaaah slave was trully a niggger

even somali pirates invest their money and buy land with it and use it to black mail kenya by bribing their cops, buying more weapons to hijack more boats.

Um...I hope you know Mansa Musa had many of your precious horner women as slaves.

KidStranglehold:

Um...I hope you know Mansa Musa had many of your precious horner women as slaves.

here u go again. No somalis were ever slaves


and their was no contact between horn of africa and west africa


and muslims cant enslave muslims, and ethiopia was holding its own against somalia, arabia and the ottoman empire, how is one guy going to enslave their women?


go read a book

The chinese owned somali slaves

pleep: The chinese owned somali slaves

lool show proof, somalis traded with chinese, and we are the ones who sold bantus

somalia9:


here u go again. No somalis were ever slaves


and their was no contact between horn of africa and west africa


and muslims cant enslave muslims, and ethiopia was holding its own against somalia, arabia and the ottoman empire, how is one guy going to enslave their women?


go read a book

Why dont YOU go read a book...Mansa took many Ethiopian and Turkish women as sex slaves. Look it up.

somalia9:


here u go again. No somalis were ever slaves


and their was no contact between horn of africa and west africa


and muslims cant enslave muslims, and ethiopia was holding its own against somalia, arabia and the ottoman empire, how is one guy going to enslave their women?


go read a book

Muslims do not enslave Muslims? One example. Mauritania.

bokohalal:
Muslims do not enslave Muslims? One example. Mauritania.

well no one enslaved somalis, as we were in full controll of our region, and we had powerfull allies like the ottoman empire and arabs and persian muslims.


proof to me somalis were enslaved, lol, cause no evidence of that exists.

somalia9:


here u go again. No somalis were ever slaves


and their was no contact between horn of africa and west africa


and muslims cant enslave muslims, and ethiopia was holding its own against somalia, arabia and the ottoman empire, how is one guy going to enslave their women?


go read a book

I would love to know how ethiopian slaves ended up in arabia then.

I want to bump this thread again out of sheer frustration.

Again how the h#ll was Mansa Musa a cooon when outsiders like Middle Easterners and Europeans praised the Mali empire and Mansa, all went to Timbuktu to be educated(Timbuktu was one of the centers of learning) and Arabs in the Muslims considering Mali and Mansa Musa to be their equal. Non Africans worshiped him, it wasn't the other way around.

Seriously...Some people.

Like I said before...People need to stop seeing the white man as god. During Mansa's days Europe was a complete sh*thole probably worse than some countries in Africa, with most people being illiterate and poor. Meanwhile Africa and the Near East were in their golden age.

Neolithic Revolution
9000 BC Asia
8000 BC Africa
7000 BC Europe

Bronze Age
3300 BC Asia
3200 BC Europe
3150 BC Africa

Civilization
3100 BC Africa
3000 BC Asia
1900 BC Europe

Iron Age
1300 Asia
1300 Africa
1200 Europe

Industrial Revolution
1750 Europe
1870 Asia
Africa has yet to ''Industrialize''

Europeans have the Industrial revolution to thank for their dominance of the world. LOL!

You see I don't see the white man as god which is why I know Europe recently got to where its at. Africa and the Near East recently entered their dark age while Europe recently entered their golden age.

And again Mansa being muslim back then does not mean he was a cooon. Muslims back then were more advanced than Christians. And trust me...Islam did more for Africans during Mansas time than Christianity can ever do.

Muslim Mali was more modern and advanced while almost all of Christian Europe was a illterate shcit hole.

HA!

Again people stop acting like Islam had no positive effects on Africans before. I know Islam is ruining Africa now and it needs to be destroyed, but back then it was a different story. Just saying.

KidStranglehold: I want to bump this thread again out of sheer frustration.

Again how the h#ll was Mansa Musa a cooon when outsiders like Middle Easterners and Europeans praised the Mali empire and Mansa, all went to Timbuktu to be educated(Timbuktu was one of the centers of learning) and Arabs in the Muslims considering Mali and Mansa Musa to be their equal. Non Africans worshiped him, it wasn't the other way around.

Seriously...Some people.

Bro he gave away too much. That was the wealth of his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren and he gave it away like stones. Today that same gold sits in Fort Knox, china, and the central banks of Europe, never to return to Africa.

That is damn near a crime against humanity.

pleep: Bro he gave away too much. That was the wealth of his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren and he gave it away like stones.

Yeah he did gave away too much...To other Africans. Why do you think Mali was one of the richest empires in Africa during its time? If it wasn't for the Mali empire there wouldn't have been a Songhai empire. And Mansa further improved Timbuktu. I don't understand where you're getting at. The decline of Sahelian empires came with the Almoravid invasion and Europeans finding gold in the new world(mainly the factor).

Even after Mansa Musa being gone, the Mali empire was still a superpower in its region. Again Mansa Musa didn't give away too much. You're keep forgetting that he imported many things to improve the life of many of his citizens.

pleep:
Today that same gold sits in Fort Knox, china, and the central banks of Europe, never to return to Africa.

Proof? Most of today's European gold came from the Americas. After the discovery of gold in the Americas, African gold was not needed anymore. Which is why those Sahel empires fell. I don't get what China has to do with this. You would have a point if you were talking about the Swahili states who actually had an connection to China.

pleep:
That is damn near a crime against humanity.

This makes no sense.

In my discussion with PhysicsQED I conceded my most scathing remarks about Mansa Musa being a 'coon'. I will admitt that it would have been impossible for him to improve the geopolitical significance of Mali much more than he did in his life-time.

But that still does not excuse the short-sightedness of what he, and mali in general did. I'm looking at this in the big picture of history. A piece of Gold about the size of a quarter is worth almost $1000 today, the Mali empire traded this for its weight in salt. Essentially they traded a renewable resource that can be extracted from ocean water (and was never scarce in west africa) for what many consider to be consummate wealth.

And unlike the earlier Ghanain kingdoms like the Soninke who carefully regulated the trade in order to create artificial scarcity (the way any monopolist should) the malians started to sell their gold almost as fast as they good could mine it, culminating in Mansa Musa's pilgrimage when they started giving away their main source of income.

Granted, there was not a great understanding of economics in this time period, but this is the part of the disipline that melts into common sense. The gold of Mali served to enrich the peoples of North Africa and the middle east many times more than it did the subshaharen africans.

Yeah he did gave away too much...To other Africans. Why do you think Mali was one of the richest empires in Africa during its time? If it wasn't for the Mali empire there wouldn't have been a Songhai empire. And Mansa further improved Timbuktu. I don't understand where you're getting at. The decline of Sahelian empires came with the Almoravid invasion and Europeans finding gold in the new world(mainly the factor).

Even after Mansa Musa being gone, the Mali empire was still a superpower in its region. Again Mansa Musa didn't give away too much. You're keep forgetting that he imported many things to improve the life of many of his citizens.

Musa went to mecca with hundreds of black African slaves, why did he find arab beggars more worthy of generosity than his fellow blacks?

Mali was the richest nation in Africa, because it had alot of gold and no other reason. Musa was in the right place at the right time. When the north africans invaded the empire its gold was mainly depleted by waste-full trading practices.

1. No, most of Europe's gold did not come from the New World, the vast majority is African in origin. Initially from Mali and Songhai, later the "gold coast" of Ghana and finally South Africa in the 1800's. While alot of gold was imported from the new world, the main metal they were extracting was silver.

2. The Chinese central bank is one of the number 1# holders of gold in the world. But most of that comes from their own production... it has no bearing on my point.

pleep: In my discussion with PhysicsQED I conceded my most scathing remarks about Mansa Musa being a 'coon'. I will admitt that it would have been impossible for him to improve the geopolitical significance of Mali much more than he did in his life-time.

True.

pleep:
But that still does not excuse the short-sightedness of what he, and mali in general did. I'm looking at this in the big picture of history. A piece of Gold about the size of a quarter is worth almost $1000 today, the Mali empire traded this for its weight in salt. Essentially they traded a renewable resource that can be extracted from ocean water (and was never scarce in west africa) for what many consider to be consummate wealth.

And unlike the earlier Ghanain kingdoms like the Soninke who carefully regulated the trade in order to create artificial scarcity (the way any monopolist should) the malians started to sell their gold almost as fast as they good could mine it, culminating in mansa musas pilgrimage when they started giving away their main source of income.

Gold was not only their main source, but also salt. And they had a monopoly on gold so they basically did whatever they wanted to. They could have put heavy taxes if they wanted to, because they had an monopoly.

If you basically had a huge monopoly on gold, wouldn't you feel you can do anything you want with it? And also salt was very valuable during that time. Salt was used as a preservative to keep food from spoiling. There were no refrigerators during that time- the only way to preserve meat and other food products was by salting it. And again the Mali Empire had a monopoly on salt.

pleep:
Granted, there was not a great understanding of economics in this time period, but this is the part of the disipline that melts into common sense. The gold of Mali served to enrich the peoples of North Africa and the middle east many times more than it did the subshaharen africans.

What? Are you not aware that those subsaharan Africans of Timbuktu became very wealthy after when Mansa took it Mansa Musa made the Western Sudanic wealthy which gave rise to the Songhai empire. He not only made Timbuktu and other western sudanic cities wealthy, but encouraged education. That influence is STILL seen today. He literally made Timbuktu what its known for. How is that not enriching them Mansa did NOT enrich North Africans or Middle Easterners...IDK where you got that from.

He actually heavily taxed those people during trade. Why? Because he had an monopoly. Thats not enriching them. And also have you forgotten that Mansa's wealth ruined the Egyptian economy?

Peep, you shouldn't focus your anger at Mansa Musa but his id*otic descendants. Mansa actually took the western Sudanic to new heights. Which is why he is so celebrated by not only Africans but non Africans.

pleep:
Musa went to mecca with hundreds of black African slaves, why did he find arab beggars more worthy of generosity than his fellow blacks?

What The bulk of Mansa Musa's slaves were white Turkish female slaves and Ethiopians. I heard the Mali empire had Turkish slave soldiers. Yes slave trading was a part of the Mali empire economy, but it was NOt the bulk of it like some people make it out to be. He definitely didn't enslave his own people. Slave trading was a way of life in the sahara. I'm not trying to make it seem like a positive thing, but don't act like it was only an African thing. Every group enslaved their own group throughout history.

Europeans and Middle easterners enslaved each other way before Africans. Hell during Mansa time...The main enslaved people were EUROPEANS. European people were selling their own brethern into slavery. The main people in the market were Europeans. Slave comes from slave...Someone o Historum cited information how blacks weren't even the main people(especially from West Africa) getting enslaved in the Trans sahara and how it is exaggerated. I'll post what he cited when my ban from Historum is lifted.

So no...Mansa didn't see Arab beggars as more important to his African bretherns. Actually he might have seen his African brethern MORE SUPERIOR to the Arabs. When Mansa imported Arab scholars to Timbuktu...To teach. The kids of Timbuktu were much more intelligent and ADVANCED than those Arabs. LMAO!

Are you forgetting that Middle Easterners. Europeans and North Africans ALL came to Timbuktu to learn because Timbuktu was so advanced Why would Mansa favor non Africans over his people when his people were ALREADY advanced in every single way imagined.

Makes no sense to me.

pleep:
Mali was the richest nation in Africa, because it had alot of gold and no other reason. Musa was in the right place at the right time. When the north africans invaded the empire its gold was mainly depleted by waste-full trading practices.

Um...No. The Western Sudanic empires continued to have a monopoly on gold until the fall of Songhai. Gold was not depleted after Mansa.

pleep:
1. No, most of Europe's gold did not come from the New World, the vast majority is African in origin. Initially from Mali and Songhai, later the "gold coast" of Ghana and finally South Africa in the 1800's. While alot of gold was imported from the new world, the main metal they were extracting was silver.

2. The Chinese central bank is one of the number 1# holders of gold in the world. But most of that comes from their own production... it has no bearing on my point.

1. Yeah silver was new metal that was unseen and valued. Which is why the Europeans chose to extract silver freely then to pay tax to the Africans. That is still one of the main reasons those Sahelian empires fell. That and civil wars and then colonization. Way after Mansa Musa.

2. I see.

Gold was not only their main source, but also salt. And they had a monopoly on gold so they basically did whatever they wanted to. They could have put heavy taxes if they wanted to, because they had an monopoly.

If you basically had a huge monopoly on gold, wouldn't you feel you can do anything you want with it? And also salt was very valuable during that time. Salt was used as a preservative to keep food from spoiling. There were no refrigerators during that time- the only way to preserve meat and other food products was by salting it. And again the Mali Empire had a monopoly on salt.

That is the heart of the problem

They traded gold for salt, even though salt was plentiful in their region. Make that make sense? The greatest salt mines in Africa were litterally a few miles outside the borders of the empire, but Mali still felt the need to pay arabs/berbers to bring it to them. It wasn't until Songai that black africans had the foresight to take these mines for themselves.

encouraged education. That influence is STILL seen today. He literally made Timbuktu what its known for. How is that not enriching themhuh Mansa did NOT enrich North Africans or Middle Easterners...IDK where you got that from.

It was the arab/berbers who made the bulk of money off this trade. There is no way of knowing for sure, but the malians were probably selling their gold at less than 1/10th its value. (1/1000th) its value in modern times, and had no participation in the "value addition" aspect of the trade. Which is the most lucrative part.

What im trying to make you guys understand is that Mansa musa and the Mali empire fell into the same trap that has tripped up black people for all our history.. we trade our resources for peanuts

We trade raw crude for pennies on the dollar while the oil companies sell, refine and sell it back to us for $4/ gallon

We sold huge tracts of the congo for pieces of glass, land with cobalt contan, and casserite that are needed in every electronic device.

we sold our slaves for bottles of booze, we traded diamonds for red cloth etc etc.

And mansa musa is no exception.

The key to building wealth is value addition, but Africans never participate in that part of the equation.

That is how whites make money even though they have no resources, but the richest land on earth is home to the poorest people

http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/645706-value-addition-can-earn-uganda-eight-times-more.html

hmm

pleep: That is the heart of the problem

They traded gold for salt, even though salt was plentiful in their region. Make that make sense? The greatest salt mines in Africa were litterally a few miles outside the borders of the empire, but Mali still felt the need to pay arabs/berbers to bring it to them. It wasn't until Songai that black africans had the foresight to take these mines for themselves.

It was the arab/berbers who made the bulk of money off this trade. There is no way of knowing for sure, but the malians were probably selling their gold at less than 1/10th its value. (1/1000th) its value in modern times, and had no participation in the "value addition" aspect of the trade. Which is the most lucrative part.

What im trying to make you guys understand is that Mansa musa and the Mali empire fell into the same trap that has tripped up black people for all our history.. we trade our resources for peanuts

We trade raw crude for pennies on the dollar while the oil companies sell, refine and sell it back to us for $4/ gallon

We sold huge tracts of the congo for pieces of glass, land with cobalt contan, and casserite that are needed in every electronic device.

we sold our slaves for bottles of booze, we traded diamonds for red cloth etc etc.
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And mansa musa is no exceptet

Se tell mé where you get your african economic history books from. Which books do u read?

ezeagu:

Yeah, the white people have done that instead. Ha!

imma be real, if there was absolutely no choice i would rather have white people do the colonizing. arabs would be a evil ending to africa. Bleep that shit.