inurmind:
Agreed, but what solution do you proffer? A reduction of the pain inflicted on the animal to the barest minimum, while we still get our meat ? or a total eradication of all practices in which animals suffer distress and pain?

At the moment the bolded is all we can do. One can always point out that the species we usually eat do not have consciousness (that we can tell of) and will probably be eaten by something else anyways, that's the way of nature. We've already screwed up the ecosystem royally, etc etc.

But we can at least be humane about how we treat them, and indeed in more 'developed' parts of the world measures are put in place to ensure we try to do just that.

PAGAN 9JA:


I have seen those videos. THey actually just tend to rub their genitals or graze them nect to each other as a sign of dominance and aggression. This helps them secure more females by dominating other males. Another info of note is that this behaviour is observed only in closed areas/artificial enclosures where many dolphins are clubbed together and kept in a smaller space, than the open seas. For example, the largest study conducted in Shark Bay was with 120 dolphins kept together. Just imagine all the territorial fights breaking out over that small radius.
Another thing of note is that these are juveniles and this brings us to my 2nd statement of animals confusing their emotions and se.xual priorities. below:




Let me give you an example. A dog once tried to hump my leg.
My leg is just a leg. But he felt perv.erted towards my left leg and kept trying to climb it. His thing was completely erect. Thats how. animals tend to get confused over their s.exual priorities.

There are primarily gay animals, ie, even with members of the opposite sex readily available they'd rather climb a member of their sex. I believe 10% of all goats qualify, as do these birds/etc in this article. Other cases (though note, not all of these are primarily gay)

Regardless, what animals do has little bearing on the homosexuality argument, or should we toss out our books/computers and eat our unhealthy children as well?

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PAGAN 9JA:
let us first understand one thing. physically, man is not equal to women , or man is not equal to another animal. what women do to each other is non-penetrative. what man does to man is penetrative. can result in disease.
what man does to animal/or animal does to woman is penetrative. can result in disease/newer diseases.

I am against man-man s.ex , especially if the person is not genetically ho.mosexual or suffers other such handicaps. it is morally wrong and if he does so, he is doing crime. if both consent to it. then let them do what they want.

In the case of animal-man/animal-woman, i am 100% against it, because animals are innocent and do not realise what is happening to them. it is therefore without their consent. let us not abuse the sacred innocence of animals.

someone here mentioned, what about putting animals in cages/chaining them without consent ,etc.

I say that is wrong too. the poultry that comes from those small cages, processed, etc., it is all wrong.

the only proper, Gods ordained natural way of killing animals is by hunting, or by free-roaming herded livestock, as in he case of those kept by nomadic tribes, and in the case of the free-roaming chicken and poultry you see in your village.

therefore today, the only right way we consume a living thing is the fish. the fish is the last survivng mode of hunted and consumed animal today.

Hunting as our forefathers did before and during colonial days is best, becaue it gives the animal the chance to escape and save its life and is the natural way animals consume other animals. by hunting , I mean subsistence hunting. hunting only for immediate needs and not mass slaughter. this subsistence hunting was a way proposed recently for the nomads of SOuth Sudan during a conservation referendum. It is the natural and right way.

Meat from nomadic herds is ok , because these are free roaming herds from millenia, and this is the Gods-ordained and natural human/tribal way of livelihood. The cattle of nomads cannot exist by themselves if left alone. It is a symbiotic relationship between humans and certain animals and is therefore right. neither can exist without the other. Both live free lives. Settled people are supposed to buy from these nomads and not those factories that cage them. This was how it was done in the past, and even now , many of us Hausa by cattle/goat directly from Fulani Herders. Our government must do something to bring back this system and encourage these tribes and their livelihood and importance. For example, in parts of Central/West India, the cattle-owning tribes have formed a co-operative called the Amul Co-operative, where the company gets its milk directly from cows owned by cattle-herding tribes of places such as Gujarat.
also cattle herding tribes rarely consume meat because they cant afford to lose their precious cattle.


I am against processed caged poultry and meat we see today in the markets. I am against bestiality.

No, I am an atheist and I do not believe bestiality can ever be an efficient legal activity. Bestiality by someone who truly cares for their animal, may seem all sunshine and rainbows, but if you look at the flip side, clearly forced activities sexual or otherwise, unlike rape where there is a victim who can tell people that it even happened, and who initiated it, an animal has no means of doing so unless the person is caught in the act or injury occurs. It is like how we slaughter millions of animals all over the world to produce our food, it is morally wrong, but it isn't at this point something that can be stopped, unless a large portion of the human race died, or we developed an easily replicated food supply, this makes this act, even if immoral impossible to cease. Like that bestiality would only be damaging with my reasons above, since while some people may genuinely feel love and companionship for their animal, the majority who would benefit from it being accepted like this, would be the people who hurt, physically or otherwise, their animals, they would easily be able to initiate actual animal cruelty without punishment with very little effort. So while I do believe bestiality is fine to an extent, it would just be damaging to have it not be illegal and/or hated by the general public for the majority of animals affected by this.

Guess I will have to repeat this. Do you believe animals who engage in homosexuality are also suffering from mental disorders? And if so what do you think can be done to cure it?

Animals also engage in peadophillia . The sea lion and otter a times both rape their younglings to death. So should humans also rape their kids to death?