Willzkid: Frosbel, you may think you are liberating people, but think of this
If you say a pastor that preaches that his members should dedicate 10% of his earning to God monthly is greedy, what will you say of the God that requires that 100% of our earnings be used for Him and His work?

Greed here is not based on amount. It is for preaching a false doctrine.

Boomark:

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

I hope you now see that the old covenant with the laws guiding it is now obsolete. those keeping the law of moses have no say in christ new covenant. the law we now keep is the one in Christ which is in our hearts.

Am disappointed in OLA. If you don't know just listen and learn and stop misleading people. We are following Christ here not church doctrine.

Yet the new Covenant is made btw God and the people of Israel and Judah, and this time form of the laws change, the laws are constant but form evolves.

frosbel:

She gave willingly from the heart, not by compulsion, besides she was also a beneficiary of the tithe system, so she could not have starved.

You somehow missed the import of what Jesus was saying because of the blindness of money? Let's see how Dr. Luke corroborates Mark's gospel:

"And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury. And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. And he said, Of a truth I say to you, that this poor widow has cast in more than they all: For all these have of their abundance cast in to the offerings of God: but she of her penury has cast in all the living that she had"

(Luke 21:1-4).

If you remove the blindfolds you might see why our Lord Jesus Christ commended this poor widow as opposed to the aspersion you cast on those who give their all.

frosbel:

Besides this is how Jesus addressed your thieving pastors who keep fleecing the poor to enrich themselves , In fact Jesus must have been angry that this widow had put in all she had with nothing left to live on , for he had said prior :

"38 As he taught, Jesus said, “Watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted with respect in the marketplaces, 39 and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 40 They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely.” - Mark 12:38 - 40

This a classic example of how folks misinterpret, misrepresent, misreport, misconstrue and misunderstand the scriptures to their own destruction. Jesus commended the poor widow for giving God her best and not what is left and you are saying Jesus said this in anger to condemn the pharisees. May God have mercy on you.

frosbel:

They gave not according to your bogus tithe, they gave as the Spirit led and funny enough this money was distributed back to the needy saints, especially the widows and orphans.

If you are that zealous about giving to the widows and orphans you don't need to blow your trumpet here, and that's if you really care about them at all as we found out about Judas Iscariot.

frosbel:

Judas was a thief just like many of the MOG you idolize and follow, he wanted the money paid into the church coffers not to care for the needy but for the furnishing of his own luxurious needs, not much different from your modern day pastors.

You don't have to be invidious. If you can't see how Judas' penchant for "caring for the poor and widows" at the expense of honouring the Lord and your constant hokering about the same should tell you that your case is lugubrious.

frosbel:

I am personally very comfortable without your filthy tithes , which I do not pay , and yet have all my needs met while helping the needy within my reach to meet their needs.

Then do so without pouring vituperation on those who choose to be obedient.

frosbel:

Let's put this is context , Jesus was actually referring to you and your 10% tithe fraud followers, for he earlier said :

"23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." - Matthew 23 : 23[/color]

the bolded is for you.

The bolded red letters are for you.

Pastor Kun:

I most definitely am and if you are, (I am almost certain you are not) you would know that God's covenant with Abraham had absolutely nothing to do with tithes.

If you are then do what Abraham did and don't be a miscreant.

OLAADEGBU:

If you are then do what Abraham did and don't be a miscreant.

what did Abram do?

Pastor Kun: ^^^

Ola would rather follow Kumuyi than follow christ.

If I follow Kumuyi who is a faithful servant of our Lord Jesus Christ there is no problem. At least Timothy followed Paul unlike those spiritual rebels who are not accountable to anyone.

christemmbassey:

what did Abram do?

Abraham and Jacob obeyed the laws of God written in their hearts.

OLAADEGBU:

Abraham and Jacob obeyed the laws of God written in their hearts.

what laws? Pls can u mention the LAWS they obeyed? God bless

christemmbassey:

what laws? Pls can u mention the LAWS they obeyed? God bless

Here is an assignment for you. What laws was Jacob obeying when he said the following?

"Then Jacob said to his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments"

(Genesis 35:2).

OLAADEGBU:

If you are then do what Abraham did and don't be a miscreant.

Going by this your daft statement I have already outdone Abraham as I have given tithes more than once in my life(when I was still being deceived) unlike Abraham who was known to have done it once. Also by extension, if I am to follow your brainless teaching, I can as well start sleeping with my maid because Abraham did so or even offer Animal sacrifices like Abraham did. Useless hypocrite.

Pastor Kun:

Going by this your daft statement I have already outdone Abraham as I have given tithes more than once in my life(when I was still being deceived) unlike Abraham who was known to have done it once. Also by extension, if I am to follow your brainless teaching, I can as well start sleeping with my maid because Abraham did so or even offer Animal sacrifices like Abraham did. Useless hypocrite.

Wow! Here is one claiming to be greater than father Abraham, how then can you be his son?

OLAADEGBU:

Wow! Here is one claiming to be greater than father Abraham, how then can you be his son?

Your dishonesty knows no bounds, where did I claim to be greater than Abraham You are a disgrace to christianity and I feel ashamed to be associated by faith to hypocrites and dishonest rodents like you who keep giving the christian faith a bad name just to fill their bellies.

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You somehow missed the import of what Jesus was saying because of the blindness of money? Let's see how Dr. Luke corroborates Mark's gospel:

(Luke 21:1-4).

If you remove the blindfolds you might see why our Lord Jesus Christ commended this poor widow as opposed to the aspersion you cast on those who give their all.

"They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely." - Mark 12:40

If you are that zealous about giving to the widows and orphans you don't need to blow your trumpet here, and that's if you really care about them at all as we found out about Judas Iscariot.

I am sure, no one has blown their trumpet here regarding what groups or persons they give money to and in what quantities

Suffice me to say that I give to just causes not to religious rogues.

You don't have to be invidious. If you can't see how Judas' penchant for "caring for the poor and widows" at the expense of honouring the Lord and your constant hokering about the same should tell you that your case is lugubrious.

How do you honor the Lord when you despise the poor by exploiting them off the little they have and using it for building projects, paying bills and mortgages , providing 5 start luxurious support to your so called MOG while shutting your ears against the cries of the needy.

This is a rebuke to the tithe camp :

"He that oppresses the poor is very evil; he angers him who made him; he that honors Lord Jehovah shows mercy upon the afflicted." - Proverbs 19:7

Then do so without pouring vituperation on those who choose to be obedient.

Obedience to the Law and hence under a curse ?

OLAADEGBU:

Here is an assignment for you. What laws was Jacob obeying when he said the following?

(Genesis 35:2).

bros are you OK?

OLAADEGBU:

Here is an assignment for you. What laws was Jacob obeying when he said the following?

(Genesis 35:2).

bros are you OK? You sound like Bidam o, i hope it is well!

Pastor Kun:

Your dishonesty knows no bounds, where did I claim to be greater than Abraham You are a disgrace to christianity and I feel ashamed to be associated by faith to hypocrites and dishonest rodents like you who keep giving the christian faith a bad name just to fill their bellies.

Let there be no billingsgate on this forum.

OLAADEGBU:

Wow! Here is one claiming to be greater than father Abraham, how then can you be his son?

we are better than Abram, at least we are regenerated , born again, Christ lives in us, we have eternal life, we are the children of God etc etc etc

christemmbassey:

bros are you OK? You sound like Bidam o, i hope it is well!

Why the stammering? There's no need for battology here. Have you done your homework yet, or you are busy lemming others?

christemmbassey:

we are better than Abram, at least we are regenerated , born again, Christ lives in us, we have eternal life, we are the children of God etc etc etc

Don't be pecksniffian. If you squeeze an orange you will get orange juice, if you squeeze lemon you will get lemon juice and if you squeeze a Christian you will get Christ. Are you connected to the Abrahamic covenant?

OLAADEGBU:

Don't be pecksniffian. If you squeeze an orange you will get orange juice, if you squeeze lemon you will get lemon juice and if you squeeze a Christian you will get Christ. Are you connected to the Abrahamic covenant?

Christ would still come even if there was no Abraham (gen3:15), was Job Abraham's son?

christemmbassey:

Christ would still come even if there was no Abraham (gen3:15), was Job Abraham's son?

Job was a contemporary of Abraham and he obeyed God's law.

christemmbassey: Christ would still come even if there was no Abraham (gen3:15), was Job Abraham's son?

God is my father, Jesus is my saviour and Holy Spirit is my helper, comforter, teacher, advocate, intercessor, standby and encourager,

OLAADEGBU:

Job was a contemporary of Abraham and he obeyed God's law.

did he recieve anything bc of Abram? Was Abraham born again? Was Abram washed by the blood of Jesus?

Kay 17:

Yet the new Covenant is made btw God and the people of Israel and Judah, and this time form of the laws change, the laws are constant but form evolves.

Do you understand or hear your self. God said that the old covenant with it law will disappear when the new covenant arrives and and you said the old law remains?

Tell us how the law on stoning people to death and cruxification evolved.

OLAADEGBU:

If you are then do what Abraham did and don't be a miscreant.

Do you tithe from spoils of war as he did?

Kay 17: ^^

The problem with the OP is, it takes the Word of God as temporary. God when making his Covenant with Abraham, never anticipated an end to it. And God's Word is his Word, it subsists permanently.

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12).

OLAADEGBU:

Don't be pecksniffian. If you squeeze an orange you will get orange juice, if you squeeze lemon you will get lemon juice and if you squeeze a Christian you will get Christ. Are you connected to the Abrahamic covenant?

i am a beneficiary of the covenant of the blood of Jesus not the Abrahamic covenant!

OLAADEGBU:

Wow! Here is one claiming to be greater than father Abraham, how then can you be his son?

Can you show where he claims to be greater than Abraham?

If you cannot then you are a fraud and a liar and and you know liars will not ..........

truthislight:

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12).

Thank you for that. Good to see you are back.

So Kay, the law has changed and is now obsolete as God said it will be.

truthislight:

Can you show where he claims to be greater than Abraham?

If you cannot then you are a fraud and a liar and and you know liars will not ..........

I was in wonderment today thinking if OLAAGBADE is actually a deeper lifer and not deceive as a sheep in wolfs clothing. This is no longer a matter of defending his church.

truthislight:

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12).

Boomark:

Do you understand or hear your self. God said that the old covenant with it law will disappear when the new covenant arrives and and you said the old law remains?

Tell us how the law on stoning people to death and cruxification evolved.

You people don't see the issue with the permanence of God's Word, considering his omniscience, wisdom and goodness (honesty). The new reflects the old, if God breaks his Word at will, he will definitely break it in the future.

The law of stoning and Sabbath were promulgated by God in his immeasurable wisdom, hence they are good laws and don't require REFOrM (what's not borken shouldn't be fixed).