@4him

this is another typical half-baked attempt to dodge the issue. You NEVER at any point did the above you are claiming to have done. NEVER have you given any detailed rebuttals, NEVER have we discussed this issue and NEVER have i posted the verses directly to you

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If your memory is declining, mine is not. I can still remember when you and I discussed same issue and you provded verses from my book, telling me that Ishmael ws never mentioned and here you are lying that you and I never did . It is very unbortunate that I couldnt lay my hand on that thread you and I discussed same issue and you provided the verses.

Now please answer my questions rather than your usual beating around the bush example of dishonesty.

What is your question?

The sacrifice of Isaac has a significant symbolism in christianity. What is the symbolism of the sacrifice in the qura'n? Why did all'ah abandon ishmael for 4000 years?

How did he abandon him for 4,000 years? It seems we want to dig deep into the accuracy of the bible and compare with my book

babs787:

How did he abandon him for 4,000 years? It seems we want to dig deep into the accuracy of the bible and compare with my book

No, it seems rather that you are struggling desperately to run away again.

If indeed we assume that the fraud of ishmael being the beneficiary of Abraham's blessings is true . . . why did ALL all'ah's so-called prophets now come from the lineage of Isaac for 4000 straight yrs?
Where is the history of ishmael and his people IN THE QU'RAN?

4 Him:

No, it seems rather that you are struggling desperately to run away again.

If indeed we assume that the fraud of ishmael being the beneficiary of Abraham's blessings is true . . . why did ALL all'ah's so-called prophets now come from the lineage of Isaac for 4000 straight years?
Where is the history of ishmael and his people IN THE QU'RAN?

Hmmn!!!

4HIM,

That was a GOOD TALK!!!

@~Lady~:

LOL, i'M SURE SHE ALREADY DID AND FOUND IT IN CHRISTIANITY.

From what she gets from you she only sees dodging of the question. Answer the questions man.

You spoke presumptiously. There is no Christian in my life, except M.u.s.l.i.ms. In my future, I meant there is at least an opening for a christian, who in time will become a m.us.li.m. I spoke in african expression and David got it.

It is different because that is what the Qu'ran tells you, prove the Qu'ran.

Why was the covenant made with the Arabs but carried out by Jewish Prophets?

It is different because from whatever remains of the truth that was given to Jesus, we see in the Bible that Jesus prayed to a Lord God Who is different and Superior to him. The One Who accepts or rejects prayers. The One Who's Will must be done, instead of the will of Jesus. I have only used the prayer at the garden of Geshimene to argue my point here. I will argue further if it is not clear to you. Thats after you have studied that portion of the Bible!

Show us where they disagreed

You will not tell me that none of the desciples had issues with Paul, would you? I will get one to whet your appetite, later.

So how did the Qu'ran be 100% word of God? Because Muhaamad said so? Did God write it down? Who's to say that Muhaaamad didnt add his own bits and pieces, infact who's to say that he didn't just come up with it himself.

It is 100% word of God because no man had any of his own words in it. You will know that if a person were to produce a master piece, he will not give the credit to some other entity. So with that in mind, how can this man who was unlettered produce a masterpiece likw the Q/u.r'an and he gave the full credit to God, an Unseen entity? The only reason he could have done such a thing is because he was not the writer all along. The Witer is God and he deserves His glory. And what bits and pieces are you talking about. tell me something that you can point out that is a lie from it? Read the whole Bible, there is no mention of Pharaoh of Moses body. But the Q.u/r'an confirms that his body was preserved, and why it was preserved!

Now let me explain to you how it works in the Bible.

Inspired men were moved by the Spirit of God to write the books that make up the Bible. It is God's word because having beeen written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the books have God as the author.

Theories that are riddled with assuptions. If God were to tell anyone about His nature, the prophets before Jesus had that right. The message would not deviate from after Jesus message. There would never have been any inconsistencies.

Maybe that was too hard for Muhaaamad to comprehend. That God could actually use men as instruments to do his work.

Was Mu, hamm.ad not a man? Was he not after all of them? Was he not therefore in the position to correct the previous mistakes of those "inspired writer?'












[Quote] ;Why? Because human logic cannot explain it?

I thought God was capable of anything. If you say no, you're limiting his abilities.[/quote] God said that He will not burden human more than the capability of the human. The way God manifest Himself is not contrary to human capability to understand and human logic to appreciate. God is capable ofdoing all thing. But there are somethings he will not do. he will not be Unjust, hence the original sin, will not wah. If it did, all the children who died without committing any sins of their own will go to hellfire/lake of fire, according to that concept.

And as per the majesty of God, He will not humiliate Himself at the hands of creations to save creations. And as per what is written in the Bible, there is no guarantee that those who accepted the process of trinity will not have a single one of them going to Hellfire/lake of fire. And my proof is in the Bible itself, Jesus said that not all who called him god will be saved. And those who will not be saved will even say that they performed great healing by his name, but even their statement will not make him protect them from hell fire/lake of fire. Finally, in the Bible, it is stated that God is not the author of confusion. Now tell me, which is correct between God is One and then He is three? Which is just and merciful in judging a person by the truth in belief and worship and work versus condemning a child who died because of the sin that is Original, committed by the first couple?

Yes it's in the Bible, go and read it.

I will have to sift through the admixtures of paul, peter, etc and after all of that Jesus word, in paraphrasing will be just a handful. Is that what you want?

then you don't believe in My God. My God is Almighty, and capable of everything including walking the earth that he created, whispering to us through the wind, reaching out to us through everyday people, sacrificing himself so that we may be free (as a real parent would, but then again you don't believe you are a child of God).
Sir you limit your god because your god cannot have children, if so then he had intercourse with a woman. Your god cannot form himself as a man, so what can your god do.

My God A.lla.h the Almighty can do everything. Yet He says in His book that somethings do not befit His Majesty. You know, like death, etc. he is the Creator, hence has the power to forgive without anyone challenging His decision. He does not have the human insticts which he created for us. So there is no need for a child for any purpose. Did He not ransome the son of Ibrahim from the intent of Ibrahim to slaughter that son in order to demostrate the obedience in the commandment that he knew he had to fulfil? Yet there was no shephard who lost am animal. That is the Power of the Almighty. I will the rest alone until future discussion.

Those who worshipped idols believed that their god were merciful, beneficient, powerful, but they knew that it couldn't be a man, it couldn't have children because it couldn't copulate with a woman and so on. See the parallel do we?

But no m.u.s.lim worships Idol. Idol is the very thing I/s.lam destroys, be it that of the physical or imagined in the earth. If anyone qualifies for idolators, it would not be from I.s.lam. When Makka fell to the power of i/s.lam, the only thing destroyed were the 360 idols. There was none of them left standing.

I will leave the matter of idolatry alone when it comes to christianity, since my intention is not to offend anybody.

Why would you need the gospel of barnabas when you have the Qu'ran? I thought the Qu'ran had everything, so why can't you learn everything from the qu'ran? This is one of your contradictions. You tell me that the qu'ran had all the answers so but now your'e saying if you can't get it from the qu'ran. My dear it would be no if, if it was 100% true.

I never needed Barnabas, etc for anything. And my belief ing that Jesus is a worthy prophet and his apostles were his helpers in spreading his prophetic mission, all are from Qu.r.'an and Sunnah. I am satisfied.

God does not lie, and he makes no mistakes. So when in writing his book why was there a mistake and Muhaaamad put down that A''llah has three daughters and they are to be worshipped and then took it out and said it was of the devil. How can the devil even be allowed in the presence of God, how can the devil even gain influence to the word of God? I mean seriosuly?

Thats new to me. And i read the Q'ur, 'an daily. You should dirrect where God said He had three children or any  child regardless of the gender. I am giving you a major leeway here. I will not even talk about the temptations of Christ in the Bible. Or the not knowing about the season of the fig.

If God cannot have a son, how come he had daughters? Did he have daughters?

I am sure you are very familiar with rhetoric questioning. Please provide the verses where God says in the Q.u.r'an that He had ay child, daughter or daughters or son or whatever. Anywhere.

How come he was a messiah to the Jewish people, but the covenant was made with the Arabs?

It is clear that Ibrahim, who was from Ur city in Iraq, could never have been Jewish. Its impossible for the Nigerians who are in Russia, regardless of their citizenship there to be refered to as Ethnic Russians. It is therefore impossible that Ibrahim would be known by an ethnic name that is culled from Juhah, the brother of Joseph.

But what is interesting is that the covenant that was between god and ibrahim covered all his children. A sign of this is circumcision of the males. All arabs are circumcised. Not only Jews have this. I am circumcised and i am not even a jew, neither by blood nor by religion! But in time, after Jesus God in His Infinite Mercy raised Muha.mm.ad from the Arabs, a direct lineage of Ismail, the first and if for a short time, an only son of Ibrahim. nor where is the confusion? At least Ibrahim, the friend of God knew his children in essence more than you or me.

ok so why are you praising God for his writing?

Even in bad situation you can see a silver lining. What I praise God for in His writing is what I praise God for in His Majesty. Afterall, God is One Lord. It is the truth that i see in the heap that stands to be examined. God is not man or woman and He is not weak and no one can overtake Him. No eyes had ever seen Him.

No one is the all knower of things, however if I ask you how old Mary was when she gave birth to Jesus, you would tell me 13-16, yet the Qu'ran said she's the sister of Aaron, how is that possoble? was she 13-16 for centuries?

Are mankind not all brothers and sisters? Are we not all children of Adam and Eve? Are Yorubas and Binis not even children of the same father, Oduduwa? Even some Onisha people have told me that their story is from the story of the yorubas. How interesting is that? What are the odds? You have Oba in Benin. Your iyashere, ojumu are all present in owo, ondo state. Ondo state is part of Yoruba you know!

Yeah it may be true that it would be hard not to take the accolade unless the main purpose is to mislead people, which can be done and possibly has been done. But you are mistaken about the Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John. They were the writers but didn't give the title to the books. The title was given to the books by the Bishops. This was to give direction to which book was written by whom. This was done with guidance from the Holy Spirit.

I wonder if you want to deceive a person, why not deceive that person all the way. Why just stop at the middle, especially to give praise to thae person and his mother. I see that Jesus' mother was really spoken about in the bible. But the Q.u.r'an called her the best from womanhood. I wonder if i will call a Russian the best woman over my Nigerian women. Except i am forced by a powerful force that I can not refuse. Give me the last names of the gospel writers, since it is according to, it suggests that somebody else wrote them.

The Books of the Bible have as their principal author the Holy Spirit, although He Himself did not write them. The Holy Spirit inspired the human authoers of the Bible to write down in their own words, and in the manner and style of the day (so that people may understand them), what he wanted them to write, and He guided them to the extent that they wrote faithfully what they had ben taught. This working together of God and man in the writing of the Bible is called inspiration. This inspiration covers not only matters of faith and morals, but extends as well to the facts of history as related, and to the whole Bible.

There lies the truth about the for sure future change of word from the bible, since it has to be written in the style of the day. Future is a day that will come, but not yet here!

Remember the Bible is not just made up of the New Testament but the Old Testament also.

And i remember it well. I am sure Moses would have told us that his God lord who defamed Pharaoh and his power was more than 1. But he didn't. Hwe only spoke about One Singularly God who holds all Power!

Well what I want to know is why an Arabic prophet? Why didn't he just send another prophet from amongst the Jews as he had always done in the past. When they disobeyed him and the previous prophet passed, he restored another one to do his work and caution the Jews and set things straight. Why didn't he follow his pattern? or is he confused?

The last I checked, M.u. h.ammad was a direct descendant of Ismail who was the first son of Ibrahim. And it was Ibrahim who All.ah the Almighty God had a direct alliance with, whom He called His friend. Not not Issac, nor, Jacob, nor Joseph , nor his brother Judah who is the father of the true tribal Jews, a branch from the total group known as Children of Israel. I don't even hear about the josephites, who was the prophet that his father Jacob and all his brothers, including Judah bow down to, as fulfilment of his dream. The last I checked, God is not beholding to any man or group or tribe or nation of mankind. It is they, all who need and depend on Him. How long should god correct a perso or people before he punishes them? Did He not punish Sodom and gomorrah before Issac was even born? Did he not wipe out mankind to just a handful in the time of Noah? When God Almighty decided to end the His relationship with the jews, he did not need any permission from anyone. Not even any Angel.

Did he say "well I know I made the covenant with the Arabs but I kind of want the fruition of that covenant to come through the Jews, but they're not listening to me, so I'm going to send them a prophet again, and again, and again, but I'm just going to give it a try and send one from the Arabs this time"
Well the Jews aren't obedient to Muhaaamad, so where's the next prophet? Did God abandon the Jews all of a sudden?

There is no trial in the vocabulary of God. he commands. He decides. he knows all things, including the outcome of it and the "hour!" God Almighty has confirmed that there is no Prophet and or Messenger after M.u.ha.mmad. God confirmed in the Qur.'an that He has perfected the deen of I.s.lam as a completion of favors of religious process of worship on mankind, through Mu.ha.mmad.  He further states that whoever comes in the day of judgement with any other deen, different from i.s.l.am, it will be rejected and will not be accepted. That person will be a loser.

I can seclude myself from society because I am angry at the way it is going. I can show up and say that I received a revelation from God and this is what he said: I the Lord am one and I alone should be worshipped, all the messengers and prophets are humans and nothing more, so if you were to be instructed to worship any one of them, you shouldn't. There is paradise and hellfire as rewards for obedience and disobedience to God's commandments respectively. What is the difference between me and Muhaamad?

If this is your argument, it is a weak one. The different between you and M.u.ha.mmad are many: First you are woman, and there is no woman prophet from Isla.mi.c perspective. Those who vouched for the great quality of M.u.ha.mmad were everyone in his town. I doubt if you are known by every one in that same vein in your neighborhood. And there is no proven miracles through you. And by the way, it is the very book that he said was revealed to him in a period of 23 years is standing on change for over 1400 years and counting. In that book, it is stated that God will protect the book till the end of time, while the "inspired Bible" never stopped making a shift eevr so slightly, till the end of time. My darling, I have too many things to say, but its best to just wait till for future opportunity to say some of it.
What is the difference between Muhaaamad and Joseph Smith? Didn't both of them receive revelations from an angel of God? Weren't both of them annoyed with their societies? Do you see the parallel there?

Until you can prove the authenticity of the Qu'ran, don't quote it for me, or use it to prove a point.

lol. And you promise me to open a thread for this purpose. Am waiting. And by the way, how do you figure that you can even use the bible written by the inspired men in their own words to proof anything to me? I will not allow you the luxury. (Am grinning).

Here is the same thing from a Christian perspective. God is ever merciful that he sacrificed himself for our salvation. WHomever does not believe in him will not receive mercy. Whomever sins against him shall be forgiven as long as the person seeks forgiveness. But there are those who will hear and not believe, the Spirit is not with them. They have hardened their heart away from God.
Why are you born of man and woman and not just created from clay as Adam was and your wife created from a part of you? If you have nothing to inherit from Adam? If you do not inherit original sin? Why didn't God just start afresh, afterall it's a new man being created?

I guess that Adolf Hitler believed and am sure before he died, he should have asked for forgiveness. He was under the spirit, like every believing Christian. And what  I inherited from Adam was the process of seeking forgiveness, the knowledge that the devil is an open enemy to me, and many others. But I do not inherit from him an original sin which will not be forgiven. And if God does not forgive, then the person is doomed!

I read it without the attachment to the Bible. Remember I questioned you about the "We" I could have easily said: there the trinity is mentioned in the Qu'ran, but I didn't.
I approach the Qu'ran with history.

If you know anyone who can tell you how Oba of Benin addresses himself , you will hear that it is what we call "Majestic pronoun; the we and us!"  Even if parent talk to a child, the parent may use plural for him or herself. My dear I will touch up on that later. But it is not that a person is more than 1 when a King uses plural for himself. Listen to the Queen of England.

I addressed this issue above.
I think that was my point. That they didn't believe. I called an orange an orange.

Is there another earth that Musl.li.m's Qur'a, n needs to talk about, except the same earth that we all share, all mankind, regardless of religion? Is there any othe Phatraoh of Moses, or Moses and the children of Israel? This is why you see that Qur'a.n is better suited to correct all that is wrong with fallacous Books. And in the long run the truth as it has always been with the prophets before the pens of the men began to corrupt them, is now preserved, finally in a Book standing uniquely alone.

1. It is not blind faith. It is proven faith, in my life too. Don't forget I have experienced it for myself. I am not just blindly following what someone said.
2. Who said the creator of the earth is not the creator of heaven? Oh yeah you are speaking as if you understand what earth means here. I believe I already explained this to you, when I told you that Christians are not of this world. Now you know what earth is.

I will only respond to the christians are not from this earth statement. But for now you are here, on the earth alive. Is anything that you do on this earth relevant to your destination in heaven for either paradise or Fire of hell? Will there be anything that you do in heaven that will qualify you all of a sudden for either Paradise or Hell fire? Are christians created differently from non Christians? What are we talking about here?

@4Him:

If indeed we assume that the fraud of ishmael being the beneficiary of Abraham's blessings is true . . . why did ALL all'ah's so-called prophets now come from the lineage of Isaac for 4000 straight years?
Where is the history of ishmael and his people IN THE QU'RAN?

Were there humans prior to 4000 years ago, counting from after the people who survived the flood of Noah settled down? Were there no societies known, like the whole of Persia, Iraq, Chiness, India, and others, including Egypt, etc? Did God abandoned them just because they were not the Jewish blood? And by the way Jewish blood could never in ethnic and religion expection of it, could not include Ibrahim, and his children and his grand children. We see that Jacob was named Israel and not jew. Up to the time of the end of Joseph, we never heard one time the word Jewish or Judaism.


We must never forget that God called Ibrahim His friend. He did not call Issac that. Nor was Jacob called that either. And Q.u.r'an is not a storyteller without a central message. We read in it the interaction of Ibrahim and his son in building the Kaaba. That son was not seyidina Issac, by Ismaila (as jamiah). We read about the slaughter and and covenants /request of Ibrahim and the ransome and acceptance from Ibrahim by God respectively. The essence of it is that God had provided what he provided in all of those milliniums to Makkans while the Children of israel had their time in the sun. That was their glory days. God did this because of His promise in the relationship with ibrahim which was guaranteed for life.


Then after Jesus, there was that 5 centuries plus period before it is Mu.ha.mmad for Arabs who were with any prophets (the branch of Ibrahim that you considered ignored) and mankind in general, the people who did not receive any prophet or direct relations of Ibrahim. Yet the Jews as you want to call them were now part of mankind that are now covered. Everyone on equal footing and not a group of tribes, etc having advantage to God over the rest of us. He had his companions from all groups of people and not just like all the other prophets before him. It is this position of being the last prophet who corrected all the prior human errors and additions into God previous revelation that bite you and people who think like you so badly that you fail to see the present and current reality.


Do you think God will only have mercy on the children of isaac and condemn the rest of us? No, no no, my Lord is not a tribal Lord. he is a merciful god and His mercy covers all. He decides as He pleases Him. He does not have to say the will of some other entity will be done. And finally, it is Mercy through the final prophet/Messenger covers all. We see that the jews always have what i call only through them for salvation and mercy before Muha.mm.ad. But in the honor given to Mu.ha.mmad, mercy and salvation is equally available to all.

Olabowale, you had an entire page rebuttal and NOT IN A SINGLE LINE did you address the central question - what happened to the ishmaelites between the period of his alleged sacrifice and the advent of moh'ammad?

THE Qu'ran has no single verifiable History.

Even in the times of m.oha.med we see that the hadith is flooded with contradiction.

I.slam will slam you to hell

Please tell me the History of I.Slam before mohamed. Show me the geneology of Ishmeal that shows arabs as descendant. Please dont use the "fraudulent" bible.

@4Him:

Olabowale, you had an entire page rebuttal and NOT IN A SINGLE LINE did you address the central question - what happened to the ishmaelites between the period of his alleged sacrifice and the advent of moh'ammad?

You are suffering from cronic delution. And I see that this is because of your hatred for anything other than Israelites and Jesus. Well there were and there are peoples other than Isralites on earth. And there were prophets who were more beloved to God before Jesus and there was a prophet who was most beloved after him. Deal with it.

It is almost sickening responding to you, but my hope in your future turning around keeps me going forward. You are a classic example of the Qu.r.'anic verse of blind, deaf and dumb in Baqarah. Do you know everyday to day events in the lives of the Children of Israel from the time they arrived in Egypt during the time of Joseph authority to just before the prophethood of M.u.h.ammad was announced in Arabia? If you dont know, except the religious note worthy events, then you already have the answer that alluded you about the Arabs of Makka. It is very obvious that it was a trading route, and a centere of Paganism because of the many idols in the Kaaba. It is obvious if you had thought about it that the place used to be visited annually in their Pilgrimage.


In the Q.ur.'an the chapter titled the elephant's event ossurred in the year of the birth of the prophet. It is obvious that from fewer people who arrived after Ismail and his mother were left there had swelled to a noticeable crossroad city among the arabs. It is because of the pilgrimage that prompted the people of the elephant to mount an assult against it.

My question to you is this, whats purpose does it serve you to know their preis.slamic period, but then you refused the is.lam that sprang from them to benefit the rest of the world? Aren't you being dishonest here? You are confronted with the truth, you are rejecting it. But you want to know what was happening to them in the time of their ignorance! All they were doing was doing evil and Is.l.am came to eradicate all of the evils. It came to eradicate idolatry, adultory, killing of their daughters who they often buried alive, generational wars and rancours between tribes and families, lack of worship to God, except that they set up mediator/intercessor/savior (does this ring a bell?), etc. All of the ills, Is.l.am came to eradicate them.

its quite interesting being on this site, its quite educative for those good eyes to recognise the truth, not daft to realise that God is ONE with nothing to be compared with.
Thank God, for giving me good faculty of reasoning and pure conscience to understand him better.
And refuse me to be a lunatic, dogmatic believer.

Many have been opportuned to encounter God true message but, they refuse bcoz ,

@Backslider;

THE Qu'ran has no single verifiable History.

Its very hard to know what you mean. But if you are saying that Q.u.r'a.n does not have any history except what the Bible contain, then I ask you where is Luqman in the Bible? Or where is the information about the body of Moses Pharaoh? If you mean that what historical process that brought about the Q.u.r'an, then i will ask you the same thing about the Bible, in general. But when you read the history of Mu.h.ammad, you will understand better. All in all, i do not understand your question, so my answers above are just my effort to read between the lines.

Even in the times of m.oha.med we see that the hadith is flooded with contradiction.

There were no contradictory hadith in this time. The word hadith itself is the saying of this noble prophet. Hadith are being formed by his saying, so there could not have been contradictions. There are gradual weaning of drunks from drinking for example. And there are gradual processes that stopped the people who used to have sexual orgies from stopping it altogether. there was gradual process of getting them to pray to compulsion to pray. There was gradual stoppage of people talking in the prayer from total silence and full concentration in prayer. I wonder if these are your confusions? To bring a people who used to have intercessors and saviors numbering over 300 to direct worship of One True God who is Unseen is a contradiction to you, then I see why you limit your intercessor to one and your gods to three. In all you may not be better than them with 300 plus intercessors.

I.slam will slam you to hell

You mean fire of lake. You have no hell in Christianity. I guess your christianity will lead you to heaven and not Paradise. But in heaven, there are 7 heavens. I gues you dont know which one is your heaven. I dont wanna surprise you that in heaven, presently, there is hell and paradise already. And since you have no understanding of Paradise, i guess you will have to go to the other place in heaven.

Please tell me the History of I.Slam before mohamed.

After you tell me the history of Christianity before Jesus. You find me taking you to task, right away.

Show me the geneology of Ishmeal that shows arabs as descendant.

There was no dispute about who the father of M.u.ha.mmad was. Or who is grandfather was, or his great grandfather. There was no dispute who his forebearer was to Ibrahim, in the bloodline of Ibrahim. So where is your problem and why the hot on the collar matter?


You may not know that it is because of the fact that Mary was unmarried at the time of the birth of Jesus was the singular reason the Jews accused her of infidelity. If she were married already, it will be hard pressed for her to remain a Virgin pass the first night of her marriage to a normal husband. Maybe you will argue that Joseph was a sexual invalid. (Even me at this age, no woman will last the night with me, remaining a Virgin as my wife. Then you will have to explain that it is temporary condition which Joseph suffered, and the Bible failed to record it). We also find that Joseph fathered Jesus brothers, which you are insinuating that they are also Mary's children. If you look at all of these, the Bible must have omitted many factual information, or embellished many to provide a very far fetched concept, or both.

Please don't use the "fraudulent" bible.

And I did not. Why would i use fraud when there is truth available to me. The prophet was not happy to see that Umar read the bible. The part of what he read happened to be true because he saw it in the Qur.'a.n. Yet the master was there with him, alive and there was no need to go into what may be a mixture of some truth and alot of lies.

olabowale:

@4Him: You are suffering from cronic delution. And I see that this is because of your hatred for anything other than Israelites and Jesus. Well there were and there are peoples other than Isralites on earth. And there were prophets who were more beloved to God before Jesus and there was a prophet who was most beloved after him. Deal with it.

Plenty of noise making and YET not a single attempt to answer the KEY question?

olabowale:

It is almost sickening responding to you, but my hope in your future turning around keeps me going forward. You are a classic example of the Qu.r.'anic verse of blind, deaf and dumb in Baqarah.

You are a classic example of the dishonest. Pls see below for proof:

olabowale:

Do you know everyday to day events in the lives of the Children of Israel from the time they arrived in Egypt during the time of Joseph authority to just before the prophethood of M.u.h.ammad was announced in Arabia?

- Joseph and the children of Jacob have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the children of Ishmael as they had already separated as a people, to attempt to smuggle both into the same lineage is to play the hypocrite.
- We dont know the exact details of every single day in the life of the biblical heroes but we know and can trace their journeys through biblical and historical records of their most important acts.
WHERE IS THE HISTORY OF THE DESCENDANTS OF ISHMAEL? The qu'ran contains jumbled up and plagiarised stories of the jews, where is the story of the ishmaelites? Did all'ah consider them too unimportant to include in his q'uran?

olabowale:

In the Q.your.'an the chapter titled the elephant's event ossurred in the year of the birth of the prophet. It is obvious that from fewer people who arrived after Ismail and his mother were left there had swelled to a noticeable crossroad city among the arabs. It is because of the pilgrimage that prompted the people of the elephant to mount an assult against it.

what is the meaning of this drivel? What question are you attempting to answer here?

olabowale:

My question to you is this, whats purpose does it serve you to know their preis.slamic period

this is a question that exposes the fraud of is'lam. It considers jewish historical details important enough to include in the qu'ran and deems pre-is'lamic period as unimportant? Who is fooling who here?

olabowale:

but then you refused the is.lam that sprang from them to benefit the rest of the world?

Beyond murder, terror and suicide bombers how has is'lam benefited the world?

olabowale:

Aren't you being dishonest here? You are confronted with the truth, you are rejecting it.

read through ur own post, if you see a smidgen of truth there pls show me.

olabowale:

But you want to know what was happening to them in the time of their ignorance!

but the qu'ran cares enough to include that of the jews?

olabowale:

All they were doing was doing evil and Is.l.am came to eradicate all of the evils. It came to eradicate idolatry, adultory, killing of their daughters who they often buried alive, generational wars and rancours between tribes and families, lack of worship to God, except that they set up mediator/intercessor/savior (does this ring a bell?), etc. All of the ills, Is.l.am came to eradicate them.

Really? Is'lam came to eradicate all the evils that are the hallmark of typical mus'lem states? wow!

@4Him

we are going further to the topic lol

do you really like to trace the lineage of Ishmael 4000 years back?

or you just like to make a non sense diversion the story of Barnabas?

samba123:

@4Him

we are going further to the topic lol

do you really like to trace the lineage of Ishmael 4000 years back?

or you just like to make a non sense diversion the story of Barnabas?

There is NO topic in the sense that:
- The "gospel of barnabas" has been proven beyond a doubt to be a forgery.
- None of you have been able to come up with CONCRETE EVIDENCE to back up your claims that this fraudulent gospel was shld be taken seriously beyond ur usual prevaricating.

Samba, use your brain . . . why is the qu'ran replete with stories of the history of the jews for 4000yrs and YET NOT ONE PEEP about the descendants of ishmael though you all lie so loudly that the promise of Abraham passed unto ishmael?
Why is the qu'ran so focused on jewish prophets?
Why do YOU know ALL the 12 jewish disciples of a jewish Jesus Christ and YET cannot point to one single ishmaelite prophet before mo'hammad?

These are concrete issues . . . you cant be hugging the gospel of barnabas, himself another jew, while telling us to take ur lies seriously.

samba123:

@4Him

do you really like to trace the lineage of Ishmael 4000 years back?

or you just like to make a non sense diversion the story of Barnabas?

Take the first challenge head-on if you dare

The second poser? well, i thought we had already established the fact the so-called gospel of barnabas is a fraud. Where were you all this while? Start reading from the beginning friend.

4Him, you are making so much sense. Fire on. These guys are just not getting it!

@4Him:

Plenty of noise making and YET not a single attempt to answer the KEY question?

I wonder what benefit you have derived from the truth that you have been presented with all the over 1 year that I have known you? Please make a triangle a straight line, without destroying its structure. And when you do remove one side from this triangle, would you still have a triangle or will it continue to have the same strength, mass,structure, etc? Can a triangle ever pass for a straight line? Can you have three componenents of the same object have 100% value each and when you add them together will still have 100%? And if you destroy one of them what you have remaining is still 100%?

Will it not therefore means that either One of them is truly 100% and the others are 0% each, or that each is 100%/3? Either way you look at it your math will have to be not confusing, because God is not the Author of confusion!

You are a classic example of the dishonest. Please see below for proof:

Se e ri omo yi to nbu mi o. Jeje mi ni mo nlo o. lol. I will see what you wrote and then give you a neck shot with it. David, David. Omo obanta, O kare.

- Joseph and the children of Jacob have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the children of Ishmael as they had already separated as a people, to attempt to smuggle both into the same lineage is to play the hypocrite.

I id not ask if if they had nothing to do with each other. However, since you raise this matter, again, it is not the position of even Isaac or his mother Sarah to deny the Arabs of the lineage from Ibrahim through first son Ismail. I wonder if they were never in contact with each other, will these two families as branches of the same Tree trunk, Ibrahim know about each other? Check the Bible. You have alot to learn. How did the Israelite knew about "Ismail" bloodline, since you people where able to trace the line of M.u.ha.mmad; remember you were always bloastfully proud of it, David? Hypocritical forgetfulness: give me a desease name that i can say that you suffer by being selectively dishonest on this potent matter. Help me out here, Dave.

- We don't know the exact details of every single day in the life of the biblical heroes but we know and can trace their journeys through biblical and historical records of their most important acts.
WHERE IS THE HISTORY OF THE DESCENDANTS OF ISHMAEL? The qu'ran contains jumbled up and plagiarised stories of the jews, where is the story of the ishmaelites? Did all'ah consider them too unimportant to include in his q'uran?

Each time I read your Ismailite debackle, I smile because you could have easily punched Ismaila and Arab in the Qu.r'a.n, on google. Or Arabs and Makkans before Prophet M.u.hammad,I have not tried it but you would have seen plenty to read from in the Qu.r'an. I think you are being lazy in not doing your research properly before you asked this above question. Thats your assignment, agent Spacely, in the get smart TV series.


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what is the meaning of this drivel? What question are you attempting to answer here?

Since you did not do your homework about the arabs/makkans before the prophetic presence of the noble soul in Makka, you do mnot know the event of the Elephant people. I am trying to help you here, instead of asking me questions, which you could have gotten the answers in the Q.ur'an.

this is a question that exposes the fraud of is'lam. It considers jewish historical details important enough to include in the qu'ran and deems pre-is'lamic period as unimportant? Who is fooling who here?

My dear David, Aburo, Omo mi. You fail to realise that the branch of the house of Ibrahim which you clearly love to pieces, like the reeces pieces , from the Bible only are a chuck full of deceits: Leavin Sarah out of this, Isaac was blind when his wife deceived him, favoring Jacob over Esau, both of them her sons. Is this the mark of a good mother? Shall we go to the Children of Jacob because I do not want to waste too much time on Biblical Jacob? His sons plotted against their own brother, while they deceived him in his state of blindness! And it took a black man and a black nation to bring them to prominence.

If I jump to Moses, we see how they traverse the wildness for forty years instead of 40 days! Why, because they did tremendous evil. You need more? How about their many idol worshipping? Are they really better than the arabs preM.uhamm.ad? How about their harlotry? You know the whole story maybe better than me, but your biased mind will not let you tell the truth. How about their disobedience to God and killing a number of the prophets? Afterall the kill your god, Jesus. These are the people you align yourself with and called them the elect of God still, after all of these? Elect of your god who killed your god is your best friend? You must truly love your god. If he is truly a god he should reject you.


From this above, we see that there is a great lesson to be learnt about doers of evil, and the rewards for them. We also see the many examples of true believers in true belief and in their steadfastness, they are rewarded and a good place is awaiting them in the hereafter. This is why you have the history of the Children of Israel from Israel (Jacob) onward to Jesus. Remember there were stories about people before Jacob ( these people were not "Children of Israel" and stories about people after Jesus; (the arabs; before M.uha.mmad. That was my reason I was telling you about the people of the elephants lead by Abraha of Saba (a territory covering Yemen all the wat to Ethiopia).

Beyond murder, terror and suicide bombers how has is'lam benefited the world?

The University system is based on Is.lam.ic academic. So give thanks for your Educational system which is based on Al Azar University in Cairo, Egypt. What about medicine and other branches of academics? What about constitution/treaty between people to live by, giving rights to everyone, irrespective of gender? Check out the constitution of madina under the prophet? What about alliances and being true to your promises? Finally what about Banking? The word and system of Checking account is from where?

read through your own post, if you see a smidgen of truth there please show me.

There is no God but One. He is Supreme. He depends on no one. But all depend on Him> He has no father or mother. Yet He has no offspring, be it male or female. There is nothing is liken to Him. My Unique God!

but the qu'ran cares enough to include that of the jews?

The Jews are your chosen people. God put their unclothedness in front of you, so that you can see their true nature. Will you learn from it and take admonition? In all the 4000 years as you have said, they never become true believer enmass. They did not even believe your god no how! Aree!

Really? Is'lam came to eradicate all the evils that are the hallmark of typical mus'lem states? wow!

Q.ur'a.n is the primary manual for eradication of all evils. And at the same tiime the master blueprint for goodness. This does not mean that all m.u.sl.ims will be 100% good. Afterall there will be 73 sects coming out of it. Except one, the 72 other sects will go to hell along with Chrsitians, Jews, Hindus, buddhist, etc.

I wonder what is the hallmark of the Jews and Christians who are the ones who had the many types of nukes and ammo? The christians let us know that they have them, but the Jews are not telling about what they have.

olabowale:

I id not ask if if they had nothing to do with each other. However, since you raise this matter, again, it is not the position of even Isaac or his mother Sarah to deny the Arabs of the lineage from Ibrahim through first son Ismail.

No one is denying anything, you still find urself running around my earlier question - what has Ishmael to do with the sons of Isaac?
Why is your qu'ran so pre-occupied with the history, prophets, customs and stories of the sons of Jacob?

olabowale:

Leavin Sarah out of this, Isaac was blind when his wife deceived him, favoring Jacob over Esau, both of them her sons. Is this the mark of a good mother?

Thou hypocrite, where is the story of Ishmael's wife and her own sons? What has the qu'ran to do with the sons of Isaac?

olabowale:

Shall we go to the Children of Jacob because I do not want to waste too much time on Biblical Jacob? His sons plotted against their own brother, while they deceived him in his state of blindness! And it took a black man and a black nation to bring them to prominence.

What became of the grandsons of Ishmael? What has the qu'ran to do with the sons of Jacob?

olabowale:

If I jump to Moses, we see how they traverse the wildness for forty years instead of 40 days!

Where is the prophet to the sons of Ishmael? What has Moses and the jews to do with is'lam?

olabowale:

Why, because they did tremendous evil. You need more? How about their many idol worshipping? Are they really better than the arabs preM.uhamm.ad?

Oh thou hypocrite, how can we compare? Where are the good deeds that the sons of Ishmael did as recorded in ur qu'ran? Again . . . what has the evil deeds of the jews got to do with is'lam?

olabowale:

How about their disobedience to God and killing a number of the prophets?

Why is this a problem to you? where are ishmael's prophets?

olabowale:

Afterall the kill your god, Jesus. These are the people you align yourself with and called them the elect of God still, after all of these? Elect of your god who killed your god is your best friend? You must truly love your god. If he is truly a god he should reject you.

accuser of the brethren . . . what has the actions of the jews to do with is'lam? What were the sons of ishmael up to at this period?

olabowale:

We also see the many examples of true believers in true belief and in their steadfastness, they are rewarded and a good place is awaiting them in the hereafter. This is why you have the history of the Children of Israel from Israel (Jacob) onward to Jesus.

Why dont we have the history of the children of Ishmael onward to mo'hammad? Why can you not learn true belief and steadfastness from them?

olabowale:

Remember there were stories about people before Jacob ( these people were not "Children of Israel" and stories about people after Jesus;

Oh thou inverterate liar, where are these stories in the qu'ran?

olabowale:

What about constitution/treaty between people to live by, giving rights to everyone, irrespective of gender?

The greeks gave us democracy.
Where are these "rights" you speak of in mus'lim nations? Show us oh thou liar.

olabowale:

Check out the constitution of madina under the prophet? What about alliances and being true to your promises? Finally what about Banking? The word and system of Checking account is from where?

is this the same constitution in places like Saudi Arabia?

A long tale full of hogwash, failed woefully to tackle the real questions rather preferring to perambulate in the darkness of deceit.

@olabowale

You are warring with the most High God. Well you know in your heart that there 2 forces and it is best i leave you so that you are either perfectly decieved or perfectly convicted.

God must have personal likeness for you and that is why so many volumes of explaination of the doctrines of Scripture. If your will is yeilded to his will and he Wills that you should be saved from the demon so be it.

@Backslider: I am laughing at you. Your most high was the one who was staked on the cross? If he could not defeat those crudely armed mob, how is he going to be able to stand the warring of a modern day well equiped man? He will be doomed again in equal time as before or faster,you see. Except he was not the true MOST HIGH.

Why worshipping in another way like the Onisangos or the Aborishas of the Yorubas? It reminds of Salvadorian people of Brazil who are still pursuing their Yoruba agenda in all things including worship. They now call Yamaja, yemaya, and a veriety other Yoruba religions, mixing them with a splice of Christianity. The Cuban and the Panamanians, etc are just the same.

I don't think these people actually vie too far off from christianity; they have an intercessor (the idol) and they call it their savior. Backslider, I continue to invite you to I.s,lam, the same way I invited Ndidi, who immediately reverted, Bola who took a longer time to accept and my mother who finally did. The door of the mercy of Al Rahman is wide and is open. Accept guidance and be benefitted. Jesus will never be able to save you. It is a guarantee from The TRue Most High.

olabowale:

@Backslider: I am laughing at you. Your most high was the one who was staked on the cross? If he could not defeat those crudely armed mob, how is he going to be able to stand the warring of a modern day well equiped man? He will be doomed again in equal time as before or faster,you see. Except he was not the true MOST HIGH.

Why worshipping in another way like the Onisangos or the Aborishas of the Yorubas? It reminds of Salvadorian people of Brazil who are still pursuing their Yoruba agenda in all things including worship. They now call Yamaja, yemaya, and a veriety other Yoruba religions, mixing them with a splice of Christianity. The Cuban and the Panamanians, etc are just the same.

I don't think these people actually vie too far off from christianity; they have an intercessor (the idol) and they call it their savior. Backslider, I continue to invite you to I.s,lam, the same way I invited Ndidi, who immediately reverted, Bola who took a longer time to accept and my mother who finally did. The door of the mercy of Al Rahman is wide and is open. Accept guidance and be benefitted. Jesus will never be able to save you. It is a guarantee from The TRue Most High.

Stinking drivels.

Yet again you run away from the questions and charge of moral-bankruptcy filed against your prophet's plagiarism skills who could not even substantiate or was perhaps not proud of the heritage of Ishmael and his descendants and rather preferred to dwell on the heritage of the Jews he now curses through his blind followers.


4Him's hypocrisy charge against you fits you to a T. Do you care to tell us why you have no prophets, visioneers, a good history that your prophet could make reference to? Why stake claim on the Jewish prophets' calling and history?


I trust that you will duck the question. For one thing, it exposes the fallacies of Islam and immediately portrays MO as a cheat who had no revelation which culminated in his inability to even defend his calling by giving four disparate and different accounts of his call each contradicting the other! O ma se o.

Chapter 20 Miracle on the sea wrought by Jesus, and Jesus declares where the prophet is received.

Jesus went to the sea of Galilee, and having embarked in a ship sailed to his city of Nazareth; whereupon there was a great tempest in the sea, insomuch that the ship was nigh unto sinking. And Jesus was sleeping upon the prow of the ship. Then drew near to him his disciples, and awoke him, saying: 'O master, save thyself, for we perish!' They were encompassed with very great fear, by reason of the great wind that was contrary and the roaring of the sea. Jesus arose, and raising his eyes to heaven, said: 'O Elohim Sabaoth, have mercy upon thy servants.' Then, when Jesus had said this, suddenly the wind ceased, and the sea became calm. Wherefore the
seamen feared, saying: 'And who is this, that the sea and the wind obey him?"
Having arrived at the city of Nazareth the seamen spread through the city all that Jesus had wrought, whereupon the house where Jesus was, was surrounded by as many as dwelt in the city. And the scribes and doctors having presented themselves unto him said: 'We have heard how much thou hast wrought in the sea and in Judaea: give us therefore some sign here in thine own country.'
Jesus answered: 'This faithless generation seek a sign, but it shall not be given them, because no prophet is received in his own country. In the time of Elijah there were many widows in Judaea, but he was not sent to be nourished save unto a widow of Sidon. Many were the lepers in the time of Elisha in Judaea; nevertheless only Naaman the Syrian was cleansed.'
Then were the citizens enraged and seized him and carried him on to the top of a precipice to cast him down. But Jesus walking through the midst of them, departed from them.

Chapter 21 Jesus healeth a demoniac, and the swine are cast into the sea. Afterwards he healeth the daughter of the Canaanites.

Jesus went up to Capernaum, and as he drew near to the city behold there came out of the tombs one that was possessed of a devil, and in such wise that no chain could hold him, and he did great harm to the man.
The demons cried out through his mouth, saying: 'O holy one of God, why art thou come before the time to trouble us?' And they prayed him that he would not cast them forth.
Jesus asked them how many they were. They answered: 'Six thousand six hundred and sixty-six.' When the disciples heard this they were affrighted, and prayed Jesus that he would depart. Then said Jesus: 'Where is your faith? It is necessary that the demon should depart, and not I.' The demons therefore cried: 'We will come out, but permit us to enter into those swine.' There were feeding there, near to the sea, about ten thousand swine belonging to the Canaanites. Thereupon Jesus said: 'Depart, and enter into the swine.' With a roar the demons entered into the swine, and cast them headlong into the sea. Then fled into the city they that fed the swine, and recounted all that had been brought to pass by Jesus.
Accordingly the men of the city came forth and found Jesus and the man that was healed. The men were filled with fear and prayed Jesus that he would depart out of their borders. Jesus accordingly departed from them and went up into the parts of Tyre and Sidon.
And lo! a woman of Canaan with her two sons, who had come forth out of her own country to find Jesus. Having therefore seen him come with his disciples, she cried out: 'Jesus, son of David, have mercy on my daughter, who is tormented of the devil! Jesus did not answer even a single word, because they were of the uncircumcised people. The disciples were moved to pity, and said: 'O master, have pity on them! Behold how much they cry out and weep!'
Jesus answered: 'I am not sent but unto the people of Israel.' Then the woman, with her sons, went before Jesus, weeping and saying: 'O son of David, have mercy on me!' Jesus answered: 'It is not good to take the bread from the children's hands and give it to the dogs.' And this said Jesus by reason of their uncleanness, because they were of the un- circumcised people.
The woman answered: 'O Lord, the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.' Then was Jesus seized with admiration at the words of the woman, and said: 'O woman, great is thy faith.' And having raised his hands to heaven he prayed to God, and then he said: 'O woman, thy daughter is freed, go thy way in peace.' The woman departed, and returning to her home found her daughter, who was blessing God.' Wherefore the woman said: 'Verily there is none other God than the God of Israel.' Whereupon all her kinsfolk joined themselves unto the law of [God], according to the law written in the book of Moses.

From the chapter above we learn that swine flesh is unclean and unlawful.

So eaters of ham-burgers take note.

Frizy:

From the chapter above we learn that swine flesh is unclean and unlawful.

So eaters of ham-burgers take note.

Walk into a McDonalds, and whenever you find someone eating a hamburger, snatch it off his mouth and deal him a dirty blow Nonsense! Keep yourselves perpetually in bondage till Al'-ilah destroys and leads you to your compulsory hell !

Isnt it all so funny. Mus'lims and their religion of confusion.
- they tell us ishmael was the first son of Abraham, the one with the promise and the one who was to have been used for the sacrifice.

- Now why has all Frizy's "gospel" been solely focused on the unimportant son Isaac and his descendants?

- Where are the gospels of the children of Ishmael? Did all'ah forget them for 4000yrs?

@4Him

There is NO topic in the sense that:
- The "gospel of barnabas" has been proven beyond a doubt to be a forgery.

Which verses/passage are you referring for is a forgery made by Barnabas? And why they called him a Saint if he is a fraudulent fellow.

- None of you have been able to come up with CONCRETE EVIDENCE to back up your claims that this fraudulent gospel was shld be taken seriously beyond your usual prevaricating.

And why do think we need evidence to show up? Do you mean we Mus’lim should follow the principle of Barnabas? This topic is an information for everybody either you take it or leave it that all !

Samba, use your brain . . .

I use my brain in a nice way to think correctly if I made a mistake that means I’m a human being not perfected by God Almighty.
What about you? Do you think your brain is a numbskull?

why is the qu'ran replete with stories of the history of the jews for 4000yrs and YET NOT ONE PEEP about the descendants of ishmael though you all lie so loudly that the promise of Abraham passed unto ishmael?

I ask you when was the name Jews came from 4000yrs ago? Do you mean the Jews at the time of those years they recognized themselves call them a Jews citizens.? And what is the relationship between Ishmael and Isaac at the time of 4000 yrs decadence? I need a valid proof if there is, if not them the relationship between the two fellow are unknown if so them.

Why is the qu'ran so focused on jewish prophets?

And why is it that the Jews disregard Jesus as prophet and son of god?

While the Qur’an came out to tell the truth to believe in One God as preached by previous prophet. Not like your Bible preached a three godheads and came out to be Jesus that never in his entire life mention/said worship me I’m you god. While he crucified he call his truly God. Can a god call another god if he is a god? Need go reasoning lol on this one?

Why do YOU know ALL the 12 jewish disciples of a jewish Jesus Christ

Is there a Ban reading and knowing the disciples of the jewish people? Of course not.
When was that they implement a restriction order that do not allowed to get some information regarding the disciples of the jewish? While surfing the net all the stuff you can find out?

and YET cannot point to one single ishmaelite prophet before mo'hammad?

Can a nomadic call himself a prophet after Ishmael without knowing god guidance before the advent of Prophet Moh’ammad.? Of course not. And do you think each tribe of the Arab people at the time before Moh’ammad came to existence just proclaimed a messenger of god, is that what you like to point out.
Can an uneducated fellow write a family biography to record the previous event and chronological history of his tribe? How can you write if you no education background and university degree to trace back you lineage 4000years back even the smartest scientist find it’s very difficult to come out to a real conclusion.

These are concrete issues . . . you can't be hugging the gospel of barnabas, himself another jew, while telling us to take your lies seriously.

What is that suppose to be you want as to accept and turn to be a Jews people? Be real lol this topic is just an example that Barnabas preached coincide with the mus’lim belief of Jesus nothing at all can you change the advent of the musl’im world.

@cgift

Take the first challenge head-on if you dare
The second poser? well, i thought we had already established the fact the so-called gospel of barnabas is a fraud.

And while you are deceiving to the principle of Barnabas can you tell us why they include him in the 12 disciple of Jesus? What gospel did Jesus preach to his 12 disciples and they came out different obstacle to rule out?

Where were you all this while? Start reading from the beginning friend.

Lol I’m just around while you are not present in this moment

4Him, you are making so much sense. Fire on. These guys are just not getting it!

Why you praise yours fellow who cann’t event rollout the Bible for their mistake?

Sometimes you read from these mus'lims and wonder if they are on the same planet as everyone else.

samba123:

@4Him
Which verses/passage are you referring for is a forgery made by Barnabas? And why they called him a Saint if he is a fraudulent fellow.

Here's one hypocrite - the REAL saint Barnabas (whom YOU know nothing about) in the bible was a jew born in Cyprus (he spoke fluent Hebrew and greek) . . . how on earth could he have written his alleged gospel in Spanish or Italian? Where those languages in written existence in the 1st century?

- I put up several instances of geographical and anachronistic errors in this gospel on page 2/3, of course dishonest people like you would rather pretend not to see them only to appear here to ask us to prove its a fraud again. Go back and read those errors, Nazareth is a landlocked town, its impossible that Barnabas (a jew) could have erroneously claimed Christ went up to Nazareth in a boat.

- Your barnabas talks of wine in casks of wood . . . perhaps we shld tell you that at that period wine was stored in skins.

samba123:

And why do think we need evidence to show up? Do you mean we Mus’lim should follow the principle of Barnabas? This topic is an information for everybody either you take it or leave it that all !

This topic is not about information, it is about perpetuating the is'lamic principle of lying, deciet and propaganda.

samba123:

I ask you when was the name Jews came from 4000yrs ago? Do you mean the Jews at the time of those years they recognized themselves call them a Jews citizens.? And what is the relationship between Ishmael and Isaac at the time of 4000 years decadence? I need a valid proof if there is, if not them the relationship between the two fellow are unknown if so them.

You're just yapping as usual in the hope that you can bury salient questions in a flood of irrelevant argument. Why is the qu'ran so focused on the descendants of Jacob? Where are the stories, prophets and histories of the sons of ishmael?

samba123:

And why is it that the Jews disregard Jesus as prophet and son of god?

Why is that of concern to you? Did the sons of ishmael regard Jesus as the Son of God?

samba123:

While the Qur’an came out to tell the truth to believe in One God as preached by previous prophet. Not like your Bible preached a three godheads and came out to be Jesus that never in his entire life mention/said worship me I’m you god. While he crucified he call his truly God. Can a god call another god if he is a god? Need go reasoning lol on this one?

Same old drivel. The prophets of the jews did more than just preach about one God . . . they talked of salvation, redemption, sin, eternal life . . . did the qu'ran say anything along those lines?

samba123:

Is there a Ban reading and knowing the disciples of the jewish people? Of course not.

Certainly not but it exposes the emptiness of is'lam. Where are the ishmaelite prophets and disciples? Why the unhealthy focus on jewish disciples?

samba123:

Can a nomadic call himself a prophet after Ishmael without knowing god guidance before the advent of Prophet Moh’ammad.? Of course not.

What a load of uneducated twaddle. Sat Guru Maharaji also claimed to be god himself . . .

samba123:

Can an uneducated fellow write a family biography to record the previous event and chronological history of his tribe? How can you write if you no education background and university degree to trace back you lineage 4000years back even the smartest scientist find it’s very difficult to come out to a real conclusion.

mus'lims are the most dishonest people you will ever meet. Whenever it suits their argument moh'ammed is either educated or illiterate. The jewish prophets had NO university education either but they meticulously recorded all the biblical details you deceitful people now hug as your own.

samba123:

What is that suppose to be you want as to accept and turn to be a Jews people? Be real lol this topic is just an example that Barnabas preached coincide with the mus’lim belief of Jesus nothing at all can you change the advent of the musl’im world.

this topic is an example of the fact that is'lam is fluff, desperately hanging on to just about any fraud to legitimise their cult.

samba123:

@cgiftAnd while you are deceiving to the principle of Barnabas can you tell us why they include him in the 12 disciple of Jesus? What gospel did Jesus preach to his 12 disciples and they came out different obstacle to rule out?

No where was he included in the 12 disciples of Christ.

Being honest is not difficult.

cgift:

Walk into a McDonalds, and whenever you find someone eating a hamburger, snatch it off his mouth and deal him a dirty blow Nonsense! Keep yourselves perpetually in bondage till Al'-ilah destroys and leads you to your compulsory hell !

By the way, McDonalds in Egypt doesn't serve burger with swine flesh.

Frizy:

By the way, McDonalds in Egypt doesn't serve burger with swine flesh.

I'm sure Egyptians living in the US remove the ham in their burgers first before consuming them.

From among them you have the Coptics. So those can eat their burgers and their hams, too. They have a big community in Jersey City, you know.