striktlymi:

After some thought, I have to agree to the extent that spirits can demonstrate some emotions like, being happy, sad, pain etc but I don't think they do it exactly as it is done by the flesh.

Hmmn. In any case, my understanding of spirit is more subtle. I'm considering the spirit to be our intellectual capacity necessarily expressed thru bodies but not wholly reducible to bodies.

Now to counter-point to God's omnipotence

Omnipotence means God can do anything.

God can't kill himself, therefore, He isn't omnipotent.
God can't make a rock he can't lift. He isn't omnipotent.

The above two arguments are largely the same.

How would you rebut them ?

striktlymi: Understanding Sacred scriptures is very key....



What returns to the Earth? The spirit or the flesh? The flesh was made from dust and it must return to the dust but the spirit was not made from dust and so it returns back to God as depicted in your own quote below:





The above talks about what happens to the flesh, not the spirit. The spirit goes back to him who gave it.

Is the spirit a person that God puts into the man ?

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7).

Spirit = greek pneuma = breath

Uyi Iredia:

Hmmn. In any case, my understanding of spirit is more subtle. I'm considering the spirit to be our intellectual capacity necessarily expressed thru bodies but not wholly reducible to bodies.

I hope I understand what you have up there...

Uyi Iredia:
Now to counter-point to God's omnipotence

Let's go there...

Uyi Iredia:
Omnipotence means God can do anything.

Hmmmm....when we say God is omnipotent we actually mean that God has the power to execute all that He may wish, that is, all that is real and possible; in other words, God can do everything logically possible which does not conflict with his nature.

Uyi Iredia:
God can't kill himself, therefore, He isn't omnipotent.
God can't make a rock he can't lift. He isn't omnipotent.

The above two arguments are largely the same.

How would you rebut them ?

The bold are logical conflicts and as such they are very bad arguments...this would be my rebuttal but I bet you want some explanations...

Now, what really is the implication of the argument?...

God can give life because he is omnipotent....

God can kill himself because he is omnipotent...an ability to do this would mean an inability to give life....

The argument really is setup to fail from the very beginning and is not logically tenable. Claims generally speaking will be in logical conflicts when they cannot be true at the same time.

For instance:

President Jonathan is the president of Ghana....

President Jonathan is the president of Nigeria...

Both claims above cannot be true at the same time...Jonathan is either the president of Nigeria or Ghana and not both.

Now coming to the argument:

God can give life because he is omnipotent....(A)

God can kill himself because he is omnipotent...(B)

Doing (B) simply means that God cannot do (A) but what the argument wants is for God to do (A) and (B) at the same time. In other words we are saying that God should be able to do (B) and not do (B) at the same time. This is a conflict.

truthislight:

Is the spirit a person that God puts into the man ?

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7).

Spirit = greek pneuma = breath

Like I said, understanding of Sacred scriptures is key...

God made man from the dust...this was not a living human being yet...this is the flesh and is what goes back to the soil. The breath of God is the spirit which enabled the body (flesh) to come alive. Without the spirit in that body, there is no living human.

The spirit, represented by the breath of God, goes back to God because it came directly from him and not the soil, while the flesh that was made from dust goes back to the dust.

striktlymi:

Like I said, understanding of Sacred scriptures is key...

God made man from the dust...this was not a living human being yet...this is the flesh and is what goes back to the soil. The breath of God is the spirit which enabled the body (flesh) to come alive. Without the spirit in that body, there is no living human.

The spirit, represented by the breath of God, goes back to God because it came directly from him and not the soil, while the flesh that was made from dust goes back to the dust.

As much as i agree on that ^ as being what the bible says, it was this seeming consent that made me post those scriptures:

Uyi Iredia:

Actually by feeling I meant emotion. But why don't you think 'spirit' lacks tactile impression ? I think it does, especially if it has other senses (like sight) functioning.

striktlymi:

After some thought, I have to agree to the extent that spirits can demonstrate some emotions like, being happy, sad, pain etc but I don't think they do it exactly as it is done by the flesh.

I was just wandering how pneuma can do that ^.

This pneuma seems to be different from spirit creatures, though they are called spirits also.

truthislight:

As much as i agree on that ^ as being what the bible says, it was this seeming consent that made me post those scriptures:

Okay, cool!

truthislight:
I was just wandering how pneuma can do that ^.

This pneuma seems to be different from spirit creatures, though they are called spirits also.

I am not sure if it's different from other spirits...I must confess I am yet to do a research on that but what I agreed to was the ability of the human spirit to experience some level of emotions...this, Sacred scripture seem to agree with:

Job 7:11
King James Version (KJV)

11 Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul..

striktlymi:

Okay, cool!





I am not sure if it's different from other spirits...I must confess I am yet to do a research on that but what I agreed to was the ability of the human spirit to experience some level of emotions...this, Sacred scripture seem to agree with:

Job 7:11
King James Version (KJV)

11 Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul..

Yeah!, agreed. But the spirit is sometimes in the bible is described as ones mental disposition.

Even the influence from a spiritual being is also refered to as spirit in the bible.

When this influence is refered to, it is personified in the bible though not a person.

"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:" (Ephesians 2:2).

truthislight:

Yeah!, agreed. But the spirit is sometimes in the bible is described as ones mental disposition.

Even the influence from a spiritual being is also refered to as spirit in the bible.

When this influence is refered to, it is personified in the bible though not a person.

"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:" (Ephesians 2:2).

I agree!