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deSika: its interesting to note that the jewish prophets muhammad saw in paradise were long dead. Whereas the muslims he mentioned were still alive. I know that blindness wont allow you to see it. Its falsehood of the highest grade for you to accept that someone who is alive on earth is also in heaven. One would have expected Muhammad to have seen his dead jihad fighters in paradise during his visit. But no, maybe while passing through the hell they could not make it.

Its also interesting that you would pass tru hell or go to hell before going to paradise[am wondering whether as a tourist or what] and you still have the face to invite people who would not know what hell looks really looks like talkmore of seeing it to join you on you tour of hell before paradise.

Enjoy the hell tour while on your way to paradise, perhaps your paradise is just behind hell. That paradise must be hot for it to be accessible to hell tourists

Thank you deSika.

I hardly do know what to say again, you have almost said it all.

@RoyPCain
you said i'm young, how do you know that?

it is blasphemy of the highest grade to say jesus is in hell. your quran says jesus is one of those brought near to God (quran 3:45). is God also in hell? it shows you don't read your quran.

you appear not knowledgeable in islam. bukhari said that allah has commanded the fire (hell) not to burn only the mark of prostration but other parts of their bodies will be burnt and they (muslims) will look like skeleton (bukhari vol. 1, bk 12. no. 770).

the way you are speaking shows your position on muhammad ascension to paradise is different from that of other muslims. you seem to be saying where he went was not paradise. eh?

truthman2012: When Muhammad went to Paradise in a night, he saw many people who once lived in this world. They are:

1. Adam
2. John (Yahya
3. Jesus (Eisa)
4. Joseph (Yusuf)
5. Enoch
6. Aaron (Harun)
7. Moses (Musa)
8. Abraham (Ibrahim)

There were some people missing in that list. Of importance to Muhammad, which he should have asked of their whereabout were his followers who died fighting Jihad with him.

Where are they?

LOOK AT THIS LIAR, from where did you see those names in paradise, pls provide the proof and let me see before I can proceed in my comment

ayenny02:
LOOK AT THIS LIAR, from where did you see those names in paradise, pls provide the proof and let me see before I can proceed in my comment

read through the thread joor if indeed you've any reasonable comment to make.
And your apology too.

@truthman2013 and desika;

by truthman2012: 12:39pm

deSika: its interesting to note that the jewish prophets muhammad saw in paradise were long dead. Whereas the muslims he mentioned were still alive. I know that blindness wont allow you to see it. Its falsehood of the highest grade for you to accept that someone who is alive on earth is also in heaven. One would have expected Muhammad to have seen his dead jihad fighters in paradise during his visit. But no, maybe while passing through the hell they could not make it.

Its also interesting that you would pass tru hell or go to hell before going to paradise[am wondering whether as a tourist or what] and you still have the face to invite people who would not know what hell looks really looks like talkmore of seeing it to join you on you tour of hell before paradise.

Enjoy the hell tour while on your way to paradise, perhaps your paradise is just behind hell. That paradise must be hot for it to be accessible to hell tourists


Thank you deSika.

I hardly do know what to say again, you have almost said it all.

@RoyPCain
you said i'm young, how do you know that?

it is blasphemy of the highest grade to say jesus is in hell. your quran says jesus is one of those brought near to God (quran 3:45). is God also in hell? it shows you don't read your quran.

you appear not knowledgeable in islam. bukhari said that Allah has commanded the fire (hell) not to burn only the mark of prostration but other parts of their bodies will be burnt and they (muslims) will look like skeleton (bukhari vol. 1, bk 12. no. 770).

the way you are speaking shows your position on muhammad ascension to paradise is different from that of other muslims. you seem to be saying where he went was not paradise. eh?

was our father Adam [as] so that all of us are jews? was Abraham [as] a jew so that his son Ishmael [as] a jew? this is something to think about, desika. The fact that the prophet [sa] said a man alive is from Paradise by the sound of his shoes in in front of him paradise is a clear testimony to his prophetic office. InshaAllah no muslims will be burnt by the fire of hell or be in hell except those who are arrogant by not turning back. there is no single verse that says muslims will pass through hell, while there is one saying all humans must come to it and will pass over it. it s passing at the time of passing over it the muslims will not fall into it, while others will fall into it, except Allah preventing it.

the muslims who will end up in hell as you have said will be those who did not turn back in repentance and died on evil deed while they did not renounce Islam. but Allah willing they will come out of it. they will be different from those who are not muslims and they be forever condemned into hell. My question to you is is that what you want for yourself, old man since i cant say you are old 120 years old woman in Lagos?

truthman2013, all of us are young as long as we are alive because we have the opportunity that the dead dont have; we can improve, drop our evil ways. this is the single tat Islam calls you to; acknowledging God and worship His as He orders, not as you wish.

RoyPCain: @truthman2013 and desika;

was our father Adam [as] so that all of us are jews? was Abraham [as] a jew so that his son Ishmael [as] a jew? this is something to think about, desika. The fact that the prophet [sa] said a man alive is from Paradise by the sound of his shoes in in front of him paradise is a clear testimony to his prophetic office.

sorry did you mean clear testimony to his being a false prophet. if i came to you and told you that i see you right now as i speak in front of my house. what would you think of me. thats exactly wat i think of Muhammad

RoyPCain:

InshaAllah no muslims will be burnt by the fire of hell or be in hell except those who are arrogant by not turning back. there is no single verse that says muslims will pass through hell, while there is one saying all humans must come to it and will pass over it. it s passing at the time of passing over it the muslims will not fall into it, while others will fall into it, except Allah preventing it.

are we not saying the same thing. its shameful for you who will pass over hell {with no guarantee of not falling into it} to invite people who will not see hell to come to your creed. its blindness, its falsehood, its delusion. why not go straight to heaven with out seeing hell, doesnt that sound good, thats what christianity offers. in hthat way you avoid the probability of falling or not falling.

RoyPCain:
the muslims who will end up in hell as you have said will be those who did not turn back in repentance and died on evil deed while they did not renounce Islam. but Allah willing they will come out of it. they will be different from those who are not muslims and they be forever condemned into hell. My question to you is is that what you want for yourself, old man since i cant say you are old 120 years old woman in Lagos?

truthman2013, all of are young as long as we are alive because we have the opportunity that the dead dont have; we can improve, drop our evil ways. this is the single tat Islam calls you to; acknowledging God and worship His as He orders, not as you wish.

oga pls enjoy your hell tourism alone. as for us na express road to heaven. ehkpele, say hi to the devil while you are passing over hell you hear.

RoyPCain: @truthman2013 and desika;

was our father Adam [as] so that all of us are jews? was Abraham [as] a jew so that his son Ishmael [as] a jew? this is something to think about, desika. The fact that the prophet [sa] said a man alive is from Paradise by the sound of his shoes in in front of him paradise is a clear testimony to his prophetic office. InshaAllah no muslims will be burnt by the fire of hell or be in hell except those who are arrogant by not turning back. there is no single verse that says muslims will pass through hell, while there is one saying all humans must come to it and will pass over it. it s passing at the time of passing over it the muslims will not fall into it, while others will fall into it, except Allah preventing it.

the muslims who will end up in hell as you have said will be those who did not turn back in repentance and died on evil deed while they did not renounce Islam. but Allah willing they will come out of it. they will be different from those who are not muslims and they be forever condemned into hell. My question to you is is that what you want for yourself, old man since i cant say you are old 120 years old woman in Lagos?

truthman2013, all of are young as long as we are alive because we have the opportunity that the dead dont have; we can improve, drop our evil ways. this is the single tat Islam calls you to; acknowledging God and worship His as He orders, not as you wish.

RoyPCain, I have always told you that you are not knowledgeable in islam. You said no single muslim will pass through hell. Please go through this and let me have your comments:

Narated By Abu Huraira : The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, HE WILL ORDER THE ANGELS TO TAKE OUT OF HELL THOSE WHO WORSHIPED NONE BUT HIM ALONE. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of PROSTRATION , for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. AT THAT TIME THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE AS MERE SKELETONS. The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water. Then when Allah had finished from the Judgments amongst his creations, one man will be left between Hell and Paradise and he will be the last man from the people of Hell to enter paradise. He will be facing Hell, and will say, 'O Allah! Turn my face from the fire as its wind has dried me and its steam has burnt me.' Allah will ask him, "Will you ask for anything more in case this favor is granted to you?' He will say, "No by Your (Honor) Power!" And he will give to his Lord (Allah) what he will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then turn his face from the Fire. When he will face Paradise and will see its charm, he will remain quiet as long as Allah will. He then will say, 'O my Lord! Let me go to the gate of Paradise.' Allah will ask him, 'Didn't you give pledges and make covenants (to the effect) that you would not ask for anything more than what you requested at first?' He will say, 'O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched, amongst Your creatures.' Allah will say, 'If this request is granted, will you then ask for anything else?' He will say, 'No! By Your Power! I shall not ask for anything else.' Then he will give to his Lord what He will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then let him go to the gate of Paradise. On reaching then and seeing its life, charm, and pleasure, he will remain quiet as long as Allah wills and then will say, 'O my Lord ! Let me enter Paradise.' Allah will say, May Allah be merciful unto you, O son of Adam! How treacherous you are! Haven't you made covenants and given pledges that you will not ask for anything more that what you have been given?' He will say, 'O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched amongst Your creatures.' So Allah will laugh and allow him to enter Paradise and will ask him to request as much as he likes. He will do so till all his desires have been fulfilled. Then Allah will say, 'Request more of such and such things.' Allah will remind him and when all his desires and wishes; have been fulfilled, Allah will say "All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides." Abu Said Al-Khudri, said to Abu Huraira, 'Allah's Apostle said, "Allah said, 'That is for you and ten times more like it.' "Abu Huraira said, "I do not remember from Allah's Apostle except (his saying), 'All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides." Abu Sahd said, "I heard him saying, 'That is for you and ten times more the like of it."(Bukhari Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770, Quran 19:68-72).

I am waiting for your comments. I don't expect you to change the meaning, otherwise you will be a laughing stock of the people.

ayenny02:
LOOK AT THIS LIAR, from where did you see those names in paradise, pls provide the proof and let me see before I can proceed in my comment

Truthman2013, am expecting your response, from which Hadith or verses of Quran did you see your lies

@desika:

sorry did you mean clear testimony to his being a false prophet. if i came to you and told you that i see you right now as i speak in front of my house. what would you think of me. thats exactly wat i think of Muhammad

i will not respond to your 'me and hell' matter because Allah is Merciful and InshaAllah I will be covered by His Mercy which I am inviting you to. but i want to say that if you are to tell me that you see me right this moment, i definitely know that since we are not in the same space though on the same earth, the fact that you have argued incoherently and always against truth i have began to discuss with you will make me conclude that you are off your rockers, since there is no more prophet to come after Muhammad [sa], i will suggest somebody get you help one time.

your thought about The messenger [sa] was the very thought the disbelieving jews had about Jesus [as]. so whats new since you are in the ranks of the jews about prophets [as]?


@truthman2013; either you don't know how to process information that you read or you are intentional mischievous. which one is your problem or is it both? i said those who will remain enter hell from the muslims are those who didnt repent. what you spoke about simply means the same. remember, i am the muslim between the two of us and i know the hadith you quoted and was on my mind when i responded to you. and my response was in agreement with the hadith. you must have read where the prophet [sa] said he is from among apostles [as] who are the first to cross the bridge? that means every apostle including Jesus, Moses, etc [as].

but did you reason and think about the hadith that if the hypocrites among muslims enter hell, what chance does a non muslim has of avoiding it according to the hadith? are you not concern about your own self? what preparation have you made to not be in hell on that day?

finally, i said read from 19/65 instead of starting from 68. its only 3 verses and its not even the whole chapter. you will find yourself among those who will have no choice to come to hell. if your lead is Muhammad [sa], whoever your leader is will be misguidance. where do you think misguidance leads but hell? you seem to love to deny. denial of truth is disbelief and disbelief is not profitable to those who die on it.

RoyPCain: @desika:

i will not respond to your 'me and hell' matter because Allah is Merciful and InshaAllah I will be covered by His Mercy which I am inviting you to. but i want to say that if you are to tell me that you see me right this moment, i definitely know that since we are not in the same space though on the same earth, the fact that you have argued incoherently and always against truth i have began to discuss with you will make me conclude that you are off your rockers, since there is no more prophet to come after Muhammad [sa], i will suggest somebody get you help one time.

your thought about The messenger [sa] was the very thought the disbelieving jews had about Jesus [as]. so whats new since you are in the ranks of the jews about prophets [as]?


@truthman2013; either you don't know how to process information that you read or you are intentional mischievous. which one is your problem or is it both? i said those who will remain enter hell from the muslims are those who didnt repent. what you spoke about simply means the same. remember, i am the muslim between the two of us and i know the hadith you quoted and was on my mind when i responded to you. and my response was in agreement with the hadith. you must have read where the prophet [sa] said he is from among apostles [as] who are the first to cross the bridge? that means every apostle including Jesus, Moses, etc [as].

but did you reason and think about the hadith that if the hypocrites among muslims enter hell, what chance does a non muslim has of avoiding it according to the hadith? are you not concern about your own self? what preparation have you made to not be in hell on that day?

finally, i said read from 19/65 instead of starting from 68. its only 3 verses and its not even the whole chapter. you will find yourself among those who will have no choice to come to hell. if your lead is Muhammad [sa], whoever your leader is will be misguidance. where do you think misguidance leads but hell? you seem to love to deny. denial of truth is disbelief and disbelief is not profitable to those who die on it.

You are caught by ur own trap. You pretend as if you didn't see the hadith? You mean you want to run away from explaning Bukhar's hadith?

In that hadith, all MUSLIMS (I'm not one) are there in hell for unspecified period of time. Later an angel will be ordered to remove some with the mark of prostration. Do you have that mark?

The hadith does not talk of repented or unrepented muslims. It is your own idea or imagination.

truthman2012:

You are caught by ur own trap. You pretend as if you didn't see the hadith? You mean you want to run away from explaning Bukhar's hadith?

In that hadith, all MUSLIMS (I'm not one) are there in hell for unspecified period of time. Later an angel will be ordered to remove some with the mark of prostration. Do you have that mark?

The hadith does not talk of repented or unrepented muslims. It is your own idea or imagination.

the falsehood in them is so strong in them, i dont think it matters to them that they willl eventually enter hell. imagine that its so clearly spelt out that they will enter hell. SMH and someone will come out to say that a religion that endorses hell for its followers is the rigth religion. the right religion is supposed to save people froom hell instead of allowing them a taste of hell.

perhaps he did not read it well so i thought i could do paste it for him with a few highlights

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There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, HE WILL ORDER THE ANGELS TO TAKE OUT OF HELL [size=14pt]THOSE WHO WORSHIPED NONE BUT HIM ALONE. [/size] The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of PROSTRATION , for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. [size=14pt] AT THAT TIME THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE AS MERE SKELETONS. [/size] The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water.

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people who worshipped none other but Allah will find them selves in hell, and you want someone to come serve this Allah so that the person will also enter hell.

*puts hand on head* what sought of blindness is this, what sought of bondage is this. this is too clear now. hell guaranteed for those who worship only Allah. haba

RoyPCain: @desika:

i will not respond to your 'me and hell' matter because Allah is Merciful and InshaAllah I will be covered by His Mercy which I am inviting you to. but i want to say that if you are to tell me that you see me right this moment, i definitely know that since we are not in the same space though on the same earth, the fact that you have argued incoherently and always against truth i have began to discuss with you will make me conclude that you are off your rockers, since there is no more prophet to come after Muhammad [sa], i will suggest somebody get you help one time.

oga you just took the words out of my mouth, thats exactly what i would say of Muhammad, the principle of the story i gave is that someone cannot be at two places at the same time, so for Muhammad to see someone who was already present on earth, who cannot be in two places at same time should tell you that he needs some help too. thats falsehood and mental delusion combined plus demonic manipulation

@desika; from dialogue with you all this time, you should have guess that i will never not tell the truth in matters of Islam. Muhammad [sa] is the last prophet, meaning as a messenger as well [sa]. the prophets relate to God directly and through the Angels of God. God sees all and the 2 places or many places at the same time is nothing difficult for God. God will be the One telling His Prophet [as], in our case Muhammad [sa] of matters in 2 places or more places even if the prophet was not in any of the places.

i hope the above clears the air. and as for you in your house, you are a worshiper of man God when God says worship Me alone, no graven image, dont say the Name of God in vain. you are not even a believer in 1 whole God Who is not man, ghost and father. what you can never do because there is no after Muhammad [sa] is to do things that prophet [as] did because God revealed it to the prophets [as].

Desika and truthman, like I said u lot are a bunch of hypocrites and clowns!

You say Muhammad's (pbuh) message is false and yet twist d Quranic verses and hadiths amd uphold it as evidence!

Are u saying u believe in d hadith as true ie d words of d prophet and yet still deny him?! Can a man deny having sexual relationship with a woman and still claim paternity of her child?

Stop thinkin like chickens! U don't believe in islam and yet u want to play d role of jury over our beliefs! U r just pathetic!

RoyPCain: @desika; from dialogue with you all this time, you should have guess that i will never not tell the truth in matters of Islam. Muhammad [sa] is the last prophet, meaning as a messenger as well [sa]. the prophets relate to God directly and through the Angels of God. God sees all and the 2 places or many places at the same time is nothing difficult for God. God will be the One telling His Prophet [as], in our case Muhammad [sa] of matters in 2 places or more places even if the prophet was not in any of the places.

i hope the above clears the air. and as for you in your house, you are a worshiper of man God when God says worship Me alone, no graven image, dont say the Name of God in vain. you are not even a believer in 1 whole God Who is not man, ghost and father. what you can never do because there is no after Muhammad [sa] is to do things that prophet [as] did because God revealed it to the prophets [as].

Muhammad is the last prophet of Gabriel who appointed him. It was not God who appointed Muhammad as a prophet. I tell you the truth there are prophets of God even till date.

Which of the prophets before Muhammad was appointed by an angel? Muhammad cannot be an exception.

Did you see any of God prophets going to war with troops like Muhammad? God's prophets didn't fight with guns, arrows, bomb etc. Warring is not the assignment of true prophets.

Allah says worship him alone to send you to hell, eh? Note that those who worship him alone (muslims) are the ones in hell. I pity you.

Truthman d clown, u were dere when gabriel appointed him abi? Bfor he's not a prophet but now he's a prophet from gabriel? Will u stop insulting d archangel of God ?

N did u just say the previous prophets didn't fight wars? D story of david n goliath proves ur a clown. Didn't God command joshua to invade jericho? (Joshua 8, 1-24). My friend there are at least 80 references to wars waged on behalf of God in d bible!

And finally, will pls stop ur deliberate DIS-INFORMATION with ur half truths! Why not give us d full Quranic verses from chapter 19 vs65 -72 forvd complete meaning!

As per d hadith, didn't u read " .....and only dis nation (muslims) will b left with its HYPOCRITES. Allah .....bridge of Sirat wouldvbe brought....with thorns of sa' dan.....will entangle d people BASED ON THEIR DEEDS..."
In Islam mere declaration of faith by words doesn't guarantee salvation if its not backed by good actions! Those muslims whose words do not correlate to their actions and commit grave sins without repentance will get d reward spelt out in d hadith.

In islam paradise and hell are real n no jokes! U don't go to heaven by believing in a crucifixtion!

RoyPCain: @desika; from dialogue with you all this time, you should have guess that i will never not tell the truth in matters of Islam. Muhammad [sa] is the last prophet, meaning as a messenger as well [sa]. the prophets relate to God directly and through the Angels of God. God sees all and the 2 places or many places at the same time is nothing difficult for God. God will be the One telling His Prophet [as], in our case Muhammad [sa] of matters in 2 places or more places even if the prophet was not in any of the places.

i hope the above clears the air. and as for you in your house, you are a worshiper of man God when God says worship Me alone, no graven image, dont say the Name of God in vain. you are not even a believer in 1 whole God Who is not man, ghost and father. what you can never do because there is no after Muhammad [sa] is to do things that prophet [as] did because God revealed it to the prophets [as].

you dont get it do you.
1. Someone cannot be in heaven and earth at the same time. The person has to leave earth to go to heaven. If your clown of a prophet can see someone in heaven while still alive. That my friend is demonic or mental delusion. Can you name any other prophet that has done this. Am not surprised that you are defending this clear demonic demonstration am only sorry for you becos u have thrown away your reasoning capacity. Even God cannot see me in two places because am one and can only be in one place at same time.

RoyPCain: @desika; from dialogue with you all this time, you should have guess that i will never not tell the truth in matters of Islam. Muhammad [sa] is the last prophet, meaning as a messenger as well [sa]. the prophets relate to God directly and through the Angels of God. God sees all and the 2 places or many places at the same time is nothing difficult for God. God will be the One telling His Prophet [as], in our case Muhammad [sa] of matters in 2 places or more places even if the prophet was not in any of the places.

i hope the above clears the air. and as for you in your house, you are a worshiper of man God when God says worship Me alone, no graven image, dont say the Name of God in vain. you are not even a believer in 1 whole God Who is not man, ghost and father. what you can never do because there is no after Muhammad [sa] is to do things that prophet [as] did because God revealed it to the prophets [as].

you dont get it do you.
1. Someone cannot be in heaven and earth at the same time. The person has to leave earth to go to heaven. If your clown of a prophet can see someone in heaven while still alive. That my friend is demonic or mental delusion. Can you name any other prophet that has done this. Am not surprised that you are defending this clear demonic demonstration am only sorry for you becos u have thrown away your reasoning capacity. Even God cannot see me in two places because am one and can only be in one place at same time.

SALAM ALAYKUM BROTHERS,

I don't know why my muslim brothers attend to the OP, the truthman2013 is a liar on his topic you don't need to argue with a LIAR, I have asked him several times to provide the evidence to support his claim but he ignored me because he knows that he is a liar.

Truthman claims that the Prophet (saw) went to PARADISE in a night and met some prophets of God, and I asked him to provide the evidence where Prophet went to PARADISE and met those prophets.

The hadith says Prophet (saw) went to HEAVEN not PARADISE. There is different btw PARADISE and HEAVEN, so you don't need to answer him again because he is a liar. He is already known that he is in FALSEHOOD and he is looking for a way to lies and let muslims contradict themselve.

Would it not be easier for you to show us from Islamic literature where it says paradise and heaven are two different entities?

ayenny02: SALAM ALAYKUM BROTHERS,

I don't know why my muslim brothers attend to the OP, the truthman2013 is a liar on his topic you don't need to argue with a LIAR, I have asked him several times to provide the evidence to support his claim but he ignored me because he knows that he is a liar.

Truthman claims that the Prophet (saw) went to PARADISE in a night and met some prophets of God, and I asked him to provide the evidence where Prophet went to PARADISE and met those prophets.

The hadith says Prophet (saw) went to HEAVEN not PARADISE. There is different btw PARADISE and HEAVEN, so you don't need to answer him again because he is a liar. He is already known that he is in FALSEHOOD and he is looking for a way to lies and let muslims contradict themselve.

ayenny02: SALAM ALAYKUM BROTHERS,

I don't know why my muslim brothers attend to the OP, the truthman2013 is a liar on his topic you don't need to argue with a LIAR, I have asked him several times to provide the evidence to support his claim but he ignored me because he knows that he is a liar.

Truthman claims that the Prophet (saw) went to PARADISE in a night and met some prophets of God, and I asked him to provide the evidence where Prophet went to PARADISE and met those prophets.

The hadith says Prophet (saw) went to HEAVEN not PARADISE. There is different btw PARADISE and HEAVEN, so you don't need to answer him again because he is a liar. He is already known that he is in FALSEHOOD and he is looking for a way to lies and let muslims contradict themselve.

My friend, your problem is multiple. Apart from the fact that you don't understand English language properly, which is the reason you misinterpret both bible and quran, you also suffer from bad eye-sight. You said I did not provide for you the hadiths of Muhammad's ascension, whereas it is there posted by basilico almost at the beginning of the thread.

Whether he went to Paradise or Heaven, the two are glorious places of rest after death. I wonder what the difference has to do with the purpose of the tread. The fact that when Muhammad got there and he could not see his dead jihad fighters, is the reason he said he himself did not know what Allah will do to him after death. If he got there and saw his jihad fighters, he would be so sure of his own fate. Isn't it? Keep deceiving yourself till you enter your promised hellfire.

truthman2012:

My friend, your problem is multiple. Apart from the fact that you don't understand English language properly, which is the reason you misinterpret both bible and quran, you also suffer from bad eye-sight. You said I did not provide for you the hadiths of Muhammad's ascension, whereas it is there posted by basilico almost at the beginning of the thread.

Whether he went to Paradise or Heaven, the two are glorious places of rest after death. I wonder what the difference has to do with the purpose of the tread. The fact that when Muhammad got there and he could not see his dead jihad fighters, is the reason he said he himself did not know what Allah will do to him after death. If he got there and saw his jihad fighters, he would be so sure of his own fate. Isn't it? Keep deceiving yourself till you enter your promised hellfire.

I don't need to argue with you, just provide the evidence that says the Prophet went to PARADISE, if you provide that then I will continue with u OR to accept that you lied on the issue of PARADISE instead of HEAVEN

Simple question is this;
* provide the evidence that says the Prophet went to PARADISE or

* to accept that you lied

basilico: Would it not be easier for you to show us from Islamic literature where it says paradise and heaven are two different entities?

Before I answer your question, tell your friend "TRUTHMAN" to accept that he lied before I lecture you the different btw PARADISE and HEAVEN

tosin2013: Truthman d clown, u were dere when gabriel appointed him abi? Bfor he's not a prophet but now he's a prophet from gabriel? Will u stop insulting d archangel of God ?

N did u just say the previous prophets didn't fight wars? D story of david n goliath proves ur a clown. Didn't God command joshua to invade jericho? (Joshua 8, 1-24). My friend there are at least 80 references to wars waged on behalf of God in d bible!

And finally, will pls stop ur deliberate DIS-INFORMATION with ur half truths! Why not give us d full Quranic verses from chapter 19 vs65 -72 forvd complete meaning!

As per d hadith, didn't u read " .....and only dis nation (muslims) will b left with its HYPOCRITES. Allah .....bridge of Sirat wouldvbe brought....with thorns of sa' dan.....will entangle d people BASED ON THEIR DEEDS..."
In Islam mere declaration of faith by words doesn't guarantee salvation if its not backed by good actions! Those muslims whose words do not correlate to their actions and commit grave sins without repentance will get d reward spelt out in d hadith.

In islam paradise and hell are real n no jokes! U don't go to heaven by believing in a crucifixtion!

When I said Muhammad was not a prophet, I meant he was not a prophet of God. He was a prophet of a so-called angel, Gabriel. I'm sure you know that it was not God who appointed Muhammad. He never heard from God except in his one-night "dream" to heaven.

I put it to you that Gabriel was not an arch-angel of God. To me and those who have the gift of discernment of the spirit, Gabriel was not an angel of God. He did not possess the attributes of an angel of God. Remember, the true Gabriel appeared to Mary and Zachariah in the Bible. He appeared to them so gentle, full of love. He told them not to be afraid. But when Muhammad's Gabriel came, He started by telling lies, commanding Muhammad to 'read' when he presented nothing to be read. The fact that Muhammad said "what can I 'read' shows he saw nothing to be read. So Gabriel started his revelations with FALSEHOOD. And that is islam for you.

Apart from Gabriel lying to start his revelation, he was not gentle in his approach like the one that appeared to Mary and Zachariah. When he commanded Muhammad, an illiterate man, to read and he could not, the next thing was pressing him thrice, each time almost to the point of death. Why should an illiterate man be punished for not being able to read? Why should Muhammad be punished almost to the point of death to be sent good news? So Gabriel started islam for you with great VIOLENCE.

Gabriel was not an angel of God, not because of his FALSEHOOD AND VIOLENCE ALONE, he directed Muhammad to worship the idol of his father, which they named Allah. Muhammad's father was an idol worshiper whose name was Abdu-Allah. His idol by implication was Allah. The same allah (Abdu-Allah's idol) was the god Gabriel commanded muslims to worship which he called islam. I tell you the truth, there are no two allahs. It is that idol of Muhammaed's father only. Not only that, Allah is worshiped in the exact way people who have been worshiping their idols before islam. Friend, now tell me, would an angel of God direct people to worship the idol in Muhammad's family? Gabriel was not an angel of God for truth.

I'm pregnant of so many things against Gabriel, but I will give birth to them later.Till then, don't remain deceived. Thank you.

tosin2013: Truthman d clown, u were dere when gabriel appointed him abi? Bfor he's not a prophet but now he's a prophet from gabriel? Will u stop insulting d archangel of God ?

N did u just say the previous prophets didn't fight wars? D story of david n goliath proves ur a clown. Didn't God command joshua to invade jericho? (Joshua 8, 1-24). My friend there are at least 80 references to wars waged on behalf of God in d bible!

And finally, will pls stop ur deliberate DIS-INFORMATION with ur half truths! Why not give us d full Quranic verses from chapter 19 vs65 -72 forvd complete meaning!

As per d hadith, didn't u read " .....and only dis nation (muslims) will b left with its HYPOCRITES. Allah .....bridge of Sirat wouldvbe brought....with thorns of sa' dan.....will entangle d people BASED ON THEIR DEEDS..."
In Islam mere declaration of faith by words doesn't guarantee salvation if its not backed by good actions! Those muslims whose words do not correlate to their actions and commit grave sins without repentance will get d reward spelt out in d hadith.

In islam paradise and hell are real n no jokes! U don't go to heaven by believing in a crucifixtion!

When I said Muhammad was not a prophet, I meant he was not a prophet of God. He was a prophet of a so-called angel, Gabriel. I'm sure you know that it was not God who appointed Muhammad. He never heard from God except in his one-night "dream" to heaven.

I put it to you that Gabriel was not an arch-angel of God. To me and those who have the gift of discernment of the spirit, Gabriel was not an angel of God. He did not possess the attributes of an angel of God. Remember, the true Gabriel appeared to Mary and Zachariah in the Bible. He appeared to them so gentle, full of love. He told them not to be afraid. But when Muhammad's Gabriel came, He started by telling lies, commanding Muhammad to 'read' when he presented nothing to be read. The fact that Muhammad said "what can I 'read' shows he saw nothing to be read. So Gabriel started his revelations with FALSEHOOD. And that is islam for you.

Apart from Gabriel lying to start his revelation, he was not gentle in his approach like the one that appeared to Mary and Zachariah. When he commanded Muhammad, an illiterate man, to read and he could not, the next thing was pressing him thrice, each time almost to the point of death. Why should an illiterate man be punished for not being able to read? Why should Muhammad be punished almost to the point of death to be sent good news? So Gabriel started islam for you with great VIOLENCE.

Gabriel was not an angel of God, not because of his FALSEHOOD AND VIOLENCE ALONE, he directed Muhammad to worship the idol of his father, which they named Allah. Muhammad's father was an idol worshiper whose name was Abdu-Allah. His idol by implication was Allah. The same allah (Abdu-Allah's idol) was the god Gabriel commanded muslims to worship which he called islam. I tell you the truth, there are no two allahs. It is that idol of Muhammaed's father only. Not only that, Allah is worshiped in the exact way people who have been worshiping their idols before islam. Friend, now tell me, would an angel of God direct people to worship the idol in Muhammad's family? Gabriel was not an angel of God for truth.

I'm pregnant of so many things against Gabriel, but I will give birth to them later. Don't remain deceived. Thank you.

ayenny02:
Before I answer your question, tell your friend "TRUTHMAN" to accept that he lied before I lecture you the different btw PARADISE and HEAVEN

My friend, why this preambles now? Tell your lies and let people see. But we don't need you lecture on the difference between paradise and heaven, that is not the topic of this thread. Tell us why Muhammad did not see his dead jihad fighters there. Period.

@ truthman, u can now see why I keep calling u a clown!

First he was not a prophet and then he was appointed by gabriel amd then changed to 'there are two diff gabriels but there are no two Allahs and bla bla bla....

Yet u refuse to ans d requests of my self and ayenny02. U keep jumping d goal post in d middle of a game

U claimed Muhammad (Saw) was false by fighting wars and yet cannot explain y God commanded joshua, moses, solomon, david, Aaron and many others into battles on behalf of God. (Peace b on them all).

U started this thread on d basis of his going to PARADISE and not seeing d martyrs there but when asked to give evidence u claim 'where he went to was not relevant'!

I ve asked u to qoute d remaining verses of Quran 19, 65-72 yet u refused! Now I ask u again to qoute d full hadith of Sahih Bukhari Vol 9 No 532B pg 791 WHICH EXPOSES UR LIES AND HALF-TRUTHS from d previous hadith.

Unless u respond to these points (n not change d goal posts again) I will proclaim u as d LYING SUPERCLOWN of Nairaland!

truthman2012:

My friend, why this preambles now? Tell your lies and let people see. But we don't need you lecture on the difference between paradise and heaven, that is not the topic of this thread. Tell us why Muhammad did not see his dead jihad fighters there. Period.

That's main reason you should accept that you lied, there is different between heaven (sa'ma) and paradise (al-jannah).

I am not the type you can deceive with your lies and falsehood.

Let me give you an assignment to go and find the meaning of SA'MA and AL-JANAH and if you get it, pls apply it to your false topic and see where all those Prophets were and compare with PARADISE(AL-JANNAH)

I don't know why CHRISTIANS are like to propagate lies against ISLAM, if you don't know anything about ISLAM pls ask from Muslims and they will lecture you

ayenny02:
That's main reason you should accept that you lied, there is different between heaven (sa'ma) and paradise (al-jannah).

I am not the type you can deceive with your lies and falsehood.

Let me give you an assignment to go and find the meaning of SA'MA and AL-JANAH and if you get it, pls apply it to your false topic and see where all those Prophets were and compare with PARADISE(AL-JANNAH)

I don't know why CHRISTIANS are like to propagate lies against ISLAM, if you don't know anything about ISLAM pls ask from Muslims and they will lecture you

These are irrelevancies. You did not address the issue at hand. It is typical of you.

tosin2013: @ truthman, u can now see why I keep calling u a clown!

First he was not a prophet and then he was appointed by gabriel amd then changed to 'there are two diff gabriels but there are no two Allahs and bla bla bla....

Yet u refuse to ans d requests of my self and ayenny02. U keep jumping d goal post in d middle of a game

U claimed Muhammad (Saw) was false by fighting wars and yet cannot explain y God commanded joshua, moses, solomon, david, Aaron and many others into battles on behalf of God. (Peace b on them all).

U started this thread on d basis of his going to PARADISE and not seeing d martyrs there but when asked to give evidence u claim 'where he went to was not relevant'!

I ve asked u to qoute d remaining verses of Quran 19, 65-72 yet u refused! Now I ask u again to qoute d full hadith of Sahih Bukhari Vol 9 No 532B pg 791 WHICH EXPOSES UR LIES AND HALF-TRUTHS from d previous hadith.

Unless u respond to these points (n not change d goal posts again) I will proclaim u as d LYING SUPERCLOWN of Nairaland!

It appears as if you have been bewitched like Muhanad was. How can you see the truth and still continue with your argument.

Was Gabriel not VIOLENT?

Did he not tell a lie?

Did he not direct muslims to worship Allah, Abdu-Allah's idol?

Why the rubbish you are saying?

truthman2012:

These are irrelevancies. You did not address the issue at hand. It is typical of you.

Can't you see yourself that you are a LIAR.
To bring the evidence to support your claims, you refused,

I gave you an assignment to do, you refused

DEFINITELY, YOU ARE A LIAR

I don't have anything to say again UNTIL you provide the evidence. I have exposed your lies



Pls you are invited to this thread MR LIAR

https://www.nairaland.com/1337631/book-god-what-happened

ayenny02:
Can't you see yourself that you are a LIAR.
To bring the evidence to support your claims, you refused,

I gave you an assignment to do, you refused

DEFINITELY, YOU ARE A LIAR

I don't have anything to say again UNTIL you provide the evidence. I have exposed your lies



Pls you are invited to this thread MR LIAR

https://www.nairaland.com/1337631/book-god-what-happened

Mr man you've not exposed anything. All you have done is shout LIAR on this thread. Prove with your quran that there is difference between paradise and heaven. Then tell us the one muhammad allegedly went to and why his jihadist fighters and other dead muslims were conspicuously missing since he saw other saints there.
Until then you've no right to call anyone a liar. SMDH