deSika: you dont get it do you.
1. Someone cannot be in heaven and earth at the same time. The person has to leave earth to go to heaven. If your clown of a prophet can see someone in heaven while still alive. That my friend is demonic or mental delusion. Can you name any other prophet that has done this. Am not surprised that you are defending this clear demonic demonstration am only sorry for you becos u have thrown away your reasoning capacity. Even God cannot see me in two places because am one and can only be in one place at same time.

basilico: The topic has veered off. The simple question was Why did Muhammad not see any of his jihadists in heaven' but only met with Jewish prophets? All muslims are jihadists since jihad is a physical struggle as well as internal struggle ( My jihad is to stay fit.Whats yours?) Where was the first muslim martyr when the prophet visited all those heavens?

RoyPCain: @truthman2012; can you tell which prophet God appointed and how did God Himself made the appointment, like what did God say to the prophet to now make the ordinary person before now a prophet? i know God spoke to Moses in via the Burning Bush to become a prophet [as]. Give me 2 or 3 more examples like that. How about John, or Jesus or Abraham or even Joseph or Jacob?

God send His Angels to kill the first born of even animals alone with man. God can use any means. I know so the case of God is very special. He is The Holiest.

Now God commanded Moses or did Moses command himself to kill or by the killing Moses was not a prophet of God?

Joshua, Saul, David, Solomon, etc fought wars. Jesus taught Jihad though te peaceful didnt have the opportunity yo fight. nevertheless, a theoretical jihadist.

@truthman2012 and desika; Heavens where the prophets [as] seen in the night journey is Paradise because where the shoes of Bilal [ra] was heard was not in any of the 7 but the real paradise. further, the idea that all muslims will end up in hell first is completely different from what the Quran says over and over again, where in some are already in paradise and other like those already in paradise will not even have any accounting to make. finally, the muslims punished is because they are punished for what they didnt seek forgiveness for. and they will get out upon that while the hypocrites will not and their condition will worse than outright disbelievers in hell. I pray for the muslims alive today and those who will come in future generations not to be from among the muslims who are punished for sins because they did not make repentance and not to be in the rank of the hypocrites. Amin.

@desika; 1 person can not be in 2 places at the same time, especially alive and his presence is felt in Paradise if God does not will it as a message to the one who sees it and the one seen. But God is capable of making ordinary become extraordinary. And being heard in paradise is an extraordinary thing expected and befitting in an extraordinary journey. There are many things that are extraordinary that we take for granted and you only have problems with appearing in paradise while still alive because paradise is not something in your belief, while heaven is. Example of extraordinary things were the creation of Adam from dust. then making Hawa from him. then sending the two down alive onto the earth to have children which they did not have in the lap of luxury in the Garden. and God made no sexual intercourse in the life of Mary produce pregnancy of a boy. the ordinary boy of an extraordinary pregnancy you overstep the bounds of all conceivable logic to call him God while are still maintaining that God is One. so the ordinary bilal to be seen in Paradise you believe that he must die first.

Muhammad [sa] by the Might of God had an extraordinary journey and you are flabbergasted that he 'heard the sound of the shoes' of a believe in Paradise.

When i read where you said God can not even see you in 2 places, I know i have to leave you alone so that you can cool your heels. The same God Who created and created many like you, males and females on the same day you restrict about what humans who believe in God expect God to do. Dont you know God can do extraordinary things like making you appear in two places at the same time so that ordinary man can see you [if satan can shrink the earth to let Jesus the whole of it in one glance, not that i believe it]?

You asked me if there was a prophet [sa] who had made the same statement similar to what Muhammad [sa] about believer Bilal [ra]. Let me give you 1 from the bible similar to it from Jesus; he said the thief who believed will be in heaven [meaning jewish paradise] with him, even when the man is being slaughtered for his crime. Another from the bible; the people who were at the batmizva of Jesus, hearing people on earth and hearing God in 'heaven [not paradise or is it paradise?]. Another from the bible; the book of revelation is about people on earth seeing the earth and seeing heaven [this heaven is ordinary heaven or is it paradise?] at the same time. unless your position is that each of these is an imaginary, then i understand why you bring that culture of believing what is not real to examine Islam. everything in Islam is accepted based on firm knowledge and faith intertwined. God in Islam is The Able and does not need to sit on a throne because by nature seat/throne supports whoever sits on it, so that he doesnt fall down.


Allah is not tired and not unable to do and He does not regret. i was going to use non biblical things for further explanation, but i have to restrain myself because if the bible will not satisfy you, then a boxer saying he thinks he sees more than 1 of his opponent in the ring will not get you to see reality that the Night Journey of Muhammad [sa] was a miracle and no miracle is impossible for God to perform in the prophetic life of a man who said 'between me and my Lord is Vail of Light", when some other will be saying i am the very Lord of the very God [check your bible because such an idea you have bought since it was put on the lips of a good man [as]].[b][/b]

truthman2012:

It appears as if you have been bewitched like Muhanad was. How can you see the truth and still continue with your argument.

Was Gabriel not VIOLENT?

Did he not tell a lie?

Did he not direct muslims to worship Allah, Abdu-Allah's idol?


Why the rubbish you are saying?

ayenny02: DESIKA let me lecture you about the EARTH, HEAVEN and PARADISE, from there you will know the different btw Heaven (sa'ma) and paradise

DESIKA, I want you to open your Quran chapter 31:10, where Allah said

"He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of
noble creature, in pairs

DESIKA, do you see that the heaven was created by Allah without pillar. Also I want you to go to chapter 67:3 where Allah created 7 heavens: this is where your friend "TRUTHMAN" refered to in his topic that Prophet (saw) went to heaven and saw some prophet of Allah;

"Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (Allah) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw?


DESIKA, have you seen that Allah created 7 heavens. now,in the day of judgement Allah will destroy the earth and heaven, you can now go to chapter 39:67 where Allah said;

"No just estimate have they made of Allah, such as is due to Him: On the Day of Judgment the whole of the earth will be but His handful, and the heavens will be rolled up in His right hand: Glory to Him! High is He above the Partners they attribute to Him

DESIKA, did you see in that verse above that in judgement day there is nothing like earth and heaven again.

Ayenny: Desika do you understand
Desika: I understand Sir
Ayenny: desika can I continue?
Desika : continue sir

Now, Who are going to enter Paradise?
Desika, go to chapter 9 Verse 20 -21 where Allah said;

"Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main, in Allah's cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah: they are the people who will achieve (salvation)

21--Their Lord doth give them glad tidings of a Mercy from Himself, of His good pleasure, and of gardens(paradise) for them, wherein are delights that endure:


DESIKA, from that verses above when it was revealed, the prophet (saw) explained it in hadith to his companions in Volume 4, Book 52, Number 48:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Whoever believes in Allah and His Apostle, offer prayer perfectly and fasts the month of Ramadan, will rightfully be granted Paradise by Allah, no matter whether he fights in Allah's Cause or remains in the land where he is born." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle ! Shall we acquaint the people with the is good news?" He said, "PARADISE has ONE-HUNDRED GRADES which Allah has reserved for the Mujahidin who fight in His Cause, and the distance between each of two grades is like the distance between the HEAVEN and the Earth. So, when you ask Allah (for something), ask for Al-firdaus which is the best and highest part of Paradise." (i.e. The sub-narrator added, "I think the Prophet also said, 'Above it (i.e. Al-Firdaus) is the Throne of Beneficent (i.e. Allah), and from it originate the rivers of Paradise."


DESIKA, can you see from the hadith above that the paradise has 100 grades where one grade is like distance btw heaven and earth.

tosin2013:

See urself? Aw ur embarrasing urself? Obviously u don't know zip about islam yet u keep blabing!
U were asked for an intellectual response yet u start looking for witches n wizards?!
Oh I forgot! Dats what u do every Sunday!!!

My friend u won't even measure up to my 6yr old niece!

There's an ancient chinese saying; "don't start none, there won't be none."
Meaning don't start what u can't finish!

Since u can't give any evidence, I say
ADIOS AMIGOS SUPERCLOWN!

[/quote]Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by Bidam: 7:19pm On Jun 27

frosbel:

Hmm, nope.

I said Jesus is present through the Spirit of GOD anywhere and everywhere , specifically where 2 or 3 are gathered together in his name.

Try not to misquote me.

At least I do not think the resurrection is past and the saints are already awake in heaven.


smiley

You also misquoted me, i never said resurrection is past.I said since Christ is resurrected we are seated with him in heavenly places,which of cos is in your bible except you have torn that part.

You are not being realistic. How do you get to Paradise? Is it not from Hell after crossing? Why do you want to prove Allah and Bukhari wrong? Na wa for you o!

RoyPCain: @desika; Was it possible that The Prophet [SA] heard the sound of the shoes of Bilal bin Rabah [RA] ahead of him, in Paradise while Rabah was still alive on earth, yet passed the prophets [AS] in the heavens before? Yes. Evidence from the Bible i present Ephesians 2;6;


Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by Bidam: 7:19pm On Jun 27

frosbel:

Hmm, nope.

I said Jesus is present through the Spirit of GOD anywhere and everywhere , specifically where 2 or 3 are gathered together in his name.

Try not to misquote me.

At least I do not think the resurrection is past and the saints are already awake in heaven.


smiley

You also misquoted me, i never said resurrection is past.I said since Christ is resurrected we are seated with him in heavenly places,which of cos is in your bible except you have torn that part.


@basilico; When The prophet [SA] went to heaven and heard sound of shoes in Paradise, this was the early years of his Islam and long before Hijra to Madina. The only death were from the occasion of the demise of Sumayya. As Martyrs, they were already in Paradise and there will be many groups of Muslims that will not have to give account because God has wiped off their mistakes. And Adam all the way to Isaac, none of them was Jewish. Even Jacob was not Jewish because Jew is race named after his son Judah. I dont know a father taking up his son's name as if he is the son of his own son, hence being his own grandson. its impossible.



@truthman2012;You are not being realistic. How do you get to Paradise? Is it not from Hell after crossing? Why do you want to prove Allah and Bukhari wrong? Na wa for you o!

How is crossing hell to mean not crossing over it without feeling the effect if others trying to cross it fall into it? does it not mean that if you don't fall into it, and not scourged by it in the process of crossing that the crossing was on a safety passage?

RoyPCain: @desika; Was it possible that The Prophet [SA] heard the sound of the shoes of Bilal bin Rabah [RA] ahead of him, in Paradise while Rabah was still alive on earth, yet passed the prophets [AS] in the heavens before? Yes. Evidence from the Bible i present Ephesians 2;6;


Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by Bidam: 7:19pm On Jun 27

frosbel:

Hmm, nope.

I said Jesus is present through the Spirit of GOD anywhere and everywhere , specifically where 2 or 3 are gathered together in his name.

Try not to misquote me.

At least I do not think the resurrection is past and the saints are already awake in heaven.


smiley

You also misquoted me, i never said resurrection is past.I said since Christ is resurrected we are seated with him in heavenly places,which of cos is in your bible except you have torn that part.


@basilico; When The prophet [SA] went to heaven and heard sound of shoes in Paradise, this was the early years of his Islam and long before Hijra to Madina. The only death were from the occasion of the demise of Sumayya. As Martyrs, they were already in Paradise and there will be many groups of Muslims that will not have to give account because God has wiped off their mistakes. And Adam all the way to Isaac, none of them was Jewish. Even Jacob was not Jewish because Jew is race named after his son Judah. I dont know a father taking up his son's name as if he is the son of his own son, hence being his own grandson. its impossible.



@truthman2012;You are not being realistic. How do you get to Paradise? Is it not from Hell after crossing? Why do you want to prove Allah and Bukhari wrong? Na wa for you o!

How is crossing hell to mean not crossing over it without feeling the effect if others trying to cross it fall into it? does it not mean that if you don't fall into it, and not scourged by it in the process of crossing that the crossing was on a safety passage?

RoyPCain: @desika; is it in your bible, yes or no? may may choose none of the above or both. the reality is there for those whose mind reasons. i am your friend. but i can not force truth on you as long as i show it, Alhamdallah, my job is done, InshaAllah.

None of the 3 accusations you made against the prophet [sa] is correct.

And as a man still alive, God has allowed me to see friends who have passed to be in paradise. I have dreamed dreams that came true. I am only a struggling muslim. You can imagine what happens to Prophet {sa]. How difficult is it for God to transport a believer or the sound of his shoes to paradise so that the Prophet [sa] can hear the very sound, when Idris [as] and Jesus [as] were already lifted to heaven, alive thousands of years apart?

InshaAllah, I will not be from those who enter paradise, nut from those who crossed the sirat as fast as possible.

RoyPCain: @truthman2012; you fail to see where you will be left to burn in it forever if Allah wills because you refuse to accept guidance. is denialthe new educational outcome of 9ja's failed educational system; ignoring the truth of where it says all humans and bridge as if you are not part of the human race and bridge out it in going through it? don't you have any sense of reasoning? come on.

is verse 65 downward not part of the poetion before you get to 'pass over it'?

RoyPCain: @truthman2012; you fail to see where you will be left to burn in it forever if Allah wills because you refuse to accept guidance. is denialthe new educational outcome of 9ja's failed educational system; ignoring the truth of where it says all humans and bridge as if you are not part of the human race and bridge out it in going through it? don't you have any sense of reasoning? come on.

is verse 65 downward not part of the poetion before you get to 'pass over it'?

RoyPCain: @truthman2012; i didn't say christians will cross, because they will not be able to cross over, but fail and fall into the fire as it is that they are not muslims {read Quran chapter 19, starting from verse 65 through 74 and then get the explanation from the hadith]. what you say with your mouth, if it is not true with God, you have made a lie seem like the truth.

angels by nature do not belong to the devil and the devil and his legions are completely different from angels. no angel is devilish. i think you forget that Jesus does not belong to the christian religion, and he is not of jewish religion, but of Jewish race and a muslim.

RoyPCain: @truthman2012; i didn't say christians will cross, because they will not be able to cross over, but fail and fall into the fire as it is that they are not muslims {read Quran chapter 19, starting from verse 65 through 74 and then get the explanation from the hadith]. what you say with your mouth, if it is not true with God, you have made a lie seem like the truth.

angels by nature do not belong to the devil and the devil and his legions are completely different from angels. no angel is devilish. i think you forget that Jesus does not belong to the christian religion, and he is not of jewish religion, but of Jewish race and a muslim.

Mintayo:

oh pls quit d Jesus is a muslim-its a lie from satan!
Its satan's way of decieveing u guys dt u believe in Jesus after all.
If Jesus is not a jew,what else is He? Arab? Anoda satan's deception!
Satan is using d saying' muslim believ in Jesus to keep u guys in bondage'!
And concerning satan n angels,truthman has answered u well;satan was an angel before he rebel against God with some oda angels!
That is y we v devil n his demons(fallen angels)!
I am nt suprised with what u said concening satan and his angels,afteral u guys are believing what he wants u guys to believ in!
I pray d Lord will have mercy on u and break d power of satan upon ur life!