Israel will implode from within. It's current militaristic solution to solving problems will not last because in 60 years, at least three Arab/Persian states will have the Bomb. To avoid internal implosion, Israel will need a visionary leader, not petty thieves and liars like Olmert (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1211288137560&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull) or war criminals like Sharon (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/sab-f22.shtml), but smart politicians like the late Yitzhak Rabin, who was assassinated by a Jewish extremist. Israel's birth rate is declining and many Jews don't follow any of those archaic and irrelevant teachings of the Talmud (thank goodness!). Also, many Jews now marry non-Jewish women. All these will cause a gradual but sure erosion of the negative aspects of the Jewish culture. Time will heal the Middle-East of the cancer of Zionism. Amen.

@Richyblack,

The desire and concrete steps taken to annihilate the people on their birth day was summarily destroyed through sheer ingenuity and military prowess. The best you can now hope for is that time will destory them? Keep on dreaming.

For a moment, I thought it was Ahmadinajad that was speaking

Here come the prophets of doom and falsehood.

RichyBlacK:

Israel will implode from within. It's current militaristic solution to solving problems will not last because in 60 years, at least three Arab/Persian states will have the Bomb. To avoid internal implosion, Israel will need a visionary leader, not petty thieves and liars like Olmert (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?=1211288137560&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull) or war criminals like Sharon (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/sab-f22.shtml), but smart politicians like the late Yitzhak Rabin, who was assassinated by a Jewish extremist. Israel's birth rate is declining and many Jews don't follow any of those archaic and irrelevant teachings of the Talmud (thank goodness!). Also, many Jews now marry non-Jewish women. All these will cause a gradual but sure erosion of the negative aspects of the Jewish culture. Time will heal the Middle-East of the cancer of Zionism. Amen.

Israel doesnt have a militaristic "solution" to solving problems, it is FORCED to use arms to defend itself against rabid religious fanatics who see it as a duty to wipe it off the map. If Israel laid down its arms to day in deference for peace it would cease to exist within 48hrs.

True that Israeli birth rate is declining but there is a tacit reason why arabs are generally excluded from the army. Shrewd decision by those who know that the arabs love to play altaqqiya.

these Israeelis are european jews right?

@TLolive

TLolive:

these Israeelis are european jews right?

Of course they are Europeans. If you see a Jew on the street would you mistake him for an Arab? Check out the map of Israel, you will see they are surrounded by Arabs with brownish skin. The native Jews look Arabic, but 70% of Jews came from other countries thus making Israel a European country.

TLolive:

these Israeelis are european jews right?

no. read some history.

Tornadoz:

@TLolive Of course they are Europeans. If you see a Jew on the street would you mistake him for an Arab? Check out the map of Israel, you will see they are surrounded by Arabs with brownish skin. The native Jews look Arabic, but 70% of Jews came from other countries thus making Israel a European country.

What a dumb post. Are the Jews who lived for centuries in arab countries also european?
For your info buddy . . . not all arabs have olive skin. Infact arabs including those in africa are regarded as caucasian white!

4 Him:

no. read some history.

What a dumb post. Are the Jews who lived for centuries in arab countries also european?
For your info buddy . . . not all arabs have olive skin. Infact arabs including those in africa are regarded as caucasian white!

Did you see this

The native Jews look Arabic, but 70% of Jews came from other countries.

Hehehe
Is this really 4him, a man whose only agenda is to distort?

The Germans hate them, the entire middle east hate them, and most African countries had no diplomatic relations with the Jewish state until recently. Why do people hate Jews? Even God hate them by dispersing them.
America hated Jews so much in the 40s Harry Truman never wanted them near America. Now that Jews own America, if Truman was alive he would have said I told you so.
Check out some of the reasons below.

Good reason to hate Jews

Land Grabbers

4 Him:

no. read some history.

What a dumb post. Are the Jews who lived for centuries in arab countries also european?
For your info buddy . . . not all arabs have olive skin. Infact arabs including those in africa are regarded as caucasian white!

If they have been there for centuries, why do they want their state just now? I know there are arab jews but these aren't the zionists
Zionist movement is european. Maybe the european jews that were displaced during Hitler's holocaust.
Because the US will never back arab jews. They have to be european jews for european countries and especially US to back them up to make the creation of the state successful.


by the way, I don't hate jews but I don't support Israel state. Just because it's not fair to the Palestinians.

Tornadoz:

Did you see this Hehehe
Is this really 4him, a man whose only agenda is to distort?

Thou fool, who hath taught thee to lie with so straight a face?

Tornadoz:

The Germans hate them,

Angela Merkel addressed the Israeli knesset on March 19, 2008 and had this to say; "Especially in this place, I emphasize: Every German government and every chancellor before me was committed to the special responsibility Germany has for Israel's security,"

Tornadoz:

the entire middle east hate them

It would be more accurate to say "the arabs hate them" . . . we all know why, if you wish to be in the know pls grab a copy of the qu'ran.

Tornadoz:

and most African countries had no diplomatic relations with the Jewish state until recently.

How is Chad having diplomatic relationship with Israel of any significance?

Tornadoz:

Why do people hate Jews?

Propaganda spewing from the likes of you is one good reason.

Tornadoz:

Even God hate them by dispersing them.

That same God left a prophecy in the bible that He would gather them again back to their land, this happened in 1948.

Tornadoz:

America hated Jews so much in the 40s Harry Truman never wanted them near America.

Israel is already bidding for 35 F-35 stealth fighters from the US, so much for a country that "hates" them.

Tornadoz:

Now that Jews own America

Back to the propaganda backed without facts again . . . what else . . . ? the jews "own" Nairaland too?

TLolive:

If they have been there for centuries, why do they want their state just now? I know there are arab jews but these aren't the zionists
Zionist movement is european. Maybe the european jews that were displaced during Hitler's holocaust.
Because the US will never back arab jews. They have to be european jews for european countries and especially US to back them up to make the creation of the state successful.

Because they were those in Israel who wanted that state. . . the rest immigrated to join forces to rebuild their state on the ruins of the Ottomans (note: not the arabs).
Praps you need me to also tell you that the US did not "back" Israel in 1948.

Tornadoz's map fraudulently ignores Jordan which made up 85% of Palestine in 1922.

hmmm so much for accusing others of distortion.

TLolive:

by the way, I don't hate jews but I don't support Israel state. Just because it's not fair to the Palestinians.

you're just a shameless hypocrite. Israel is the ONLY NATION ON EARTH whose very existence and sovereignity is always a cause for debate.

You support the destruction of the jewish state for its "unfairness" to "palestinians" who never existed until 1988? Ok let me show you other countries you might like to destroy too . . . China - not fair to Tibet, Hong kong.
Turkey - The kurds
Iraq - The kurds
Egypt - The copts

What Palestinians? The ones that got 85% of the land in 1946 but refused to accept that. . .thinking they would wipe out the Jews and take all the land?

60 years later, some still hold on to the foolish notion that they can drive out the Jews, instead of seeking a peaceful resolution.

People fast forward to the last sound bite they heard, not looking at the history of the attempts to anihilate the jews, even in the so called 'Palestine' in the 60's and 70's by their Arab brethren.

These Arab brethren with vast lands refuse to take in their 'brothers', keep them in refugee camps for 60 years. . .why? Because they still want to eliminate the jews and take back the less than 20% of the original 'Palestine' demarcated for the Jews by the UN.

The PLO was born in 1964, three (3) years BEFORE Israel supposedly "occupied" Gaza and the Westbank.
The idea of the "palestinian state" did not come about UNTIL 1988 (40 yrs after Israel was born).
The term "Nakba" did not enter common usage UNTIL 1998 (50 yrs after Israel was born).

The term "nakba" did not originally have anything to do with the events of 1948 but date back to the 1920s when arabs protested the decision to treat immigrant arabs to palestine as different from their Northern Syrian country men.

So much for being "unfair" to the palestinians.

Where else in the world is refugee status passed on from generation to generation? Only for the dearly beloved "palestinians" who even have their own special organ of the UN - UNRWA.

4 Him:

you're just a shameless hypocrite. Israel is the ONLY NATION ON EARTH whose very existence and sovereignity is always a cause for debate.

You support the destruction of the jewish state for its "unfairness" to "palestinians" who never existed until 1988? Ok let me show you other countries you might like to destroy too . . . China - not fair to Tibet, Hong kong.
Turkey - The kurds
Iraq - The kurds
Egypt - The copts

first off, attacking everyone else who doesn't share your viewpoint is no way to argue
second of all, why do you assume that I support China against Tibet.
Third of all, I don't agree with you that Israel is the only "nation" that is debated over. You mentioned Tibet yourself just now.

Because they were those in Israel who wanted that state. . . the rest immigrated to join forces to rebuild their state on the ruins of the Ottomans (note: not the arabs).
Praps you need me to also tell you that the US did not "back" Israel in 1948.

This isn't clear to me. who wanted the state centuries ago? who immigrated? to where? I don't get you.
Didn't Britain (country in europe "hint" back Israel then though? The US wasn't against Israel then either. It immediately recognized it's "independence."

TLolive:

first off, attacking everyone else who doesn't share your viewpoint is no way to argue

1. Its lame crying about being "attacked" for your viewpoints, the problem is you don't have any "views" at all that stand under the test of intense scrutiny.
2. This is not even an argument, outright lying is not a way to argue either.

TLolive:

second of all, why do you assume that I support China against Tibet.

Like all your ilk you probably don't but i never hear any of you advocate the disolution of the Chinese state. Infact i've never heard any of you moan on behalf of the poor Tibetans who have a far stronger case than these phony "palestinians".

TLolive:

Third of all, I don't agree with you that Israel is the only "nation" that is debated over. You mentioned Tibet yourself just now.

Israel is not ever likely to host the olympics because demagogues like you, the extreme leftists in Europe and your earger mu'slim and arab acomplices (forever spoiling for a fight) will make sure that "apartheid" state never does what other nations take for granted.

Tibet is under Chinese occupation . . . ah but the Chinese are even here in Africa trying to buy our oil while we chant all the way to Beijing for the olympics.

Sure people are "debating" the "plight" of the Tibetans. When is the UN going to create the equivalent of the UNRWC for them too?

TLolive:

This isn't clear to me. who wanted the state centuries ago? who immigrated? to where? I don't get you.

It will never be clear to you if you don't bother to read history rather preferring to rely on arab propaganda.
The Ottomans (who are Turks not arabs) were the last rulers over the nation of Palestine . . . where then did the arabs suddenly spring from claiming to be "natives" of Israel?

TLolive:

Didn't Britain (country in europe "hint" back Israel then though?

Yeah, by giving 85% of the historic land of Palestine to the sons of the Emir of Mecca (Saudi Arabia) as the present day Jordan?
Your history books are gathering dust, do something.

TLolive:

The US wasn't against Israel then either. It immediately recognized it's "independence."

Just as they recognized the independence of Nigeria in 1960, what's your point?
Are you also part of the arab "US must denounce Israel" crowd?

Africans no get any business debating this Israel issue.

As a Christian, I have been raised with a love for Israel and I also claim all the blessings of Jacob for myself.

At the same time, my rational mind also questions some of the hardships faced by the Palestinians. Something Africans are used to. You could easily swap their story for the Black South African story - a land grab by European settlers (not my opinion, but some would say so). At the same time, the Jews have historic claim to the land, going back to the time of Joshua.

Really, I have to be blind to my core human values for me to jump on any side of the debate hence I always abstain from this debate.

The debate itself is endless sef so I don't know why Africans waste their time on it.

Ibime:

At the same time, my rational mind also questions some of the hardships faced by the Palestinians. Something Africans are used to. You could easily swap their story for the Black South African story - a land grab by European settlers (not my opinion, but some would say so). At the same time, the Jews have historic claim to the land, going back to the time of Joshua.

This is false. Its the sob story the arabs have successfully sold to the rest of the world.
If the "palestinians" have faced any "hardship" its because their leaders have DELIBERATELY created the scenario to use as a psychological weapon against Israel since they failed woefully to militarilly defeat her.

Why are "refugees" in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iran still "refugees" 60 yrs after? Not even the US has such a wicked policy.
Why are the arabs not trying to help the palestinians? Why do they depend on Israel for medicine, food, gas, electricity? why is the US the largest provider of AID to the PNA despite the presence of so many rich arab countries who never fail to weep and gnash their teeth about the "plight" of the palestinians?

Are these people truly suffering? If they can purchase enough rockets to shell Sderot 50 times a day then they have no excuse for not being able to feed their children.

Ibime:

Africans no get any business debating this Israel issue.

As a Christian, I have been raised with a love for Israel and I also claim all the blessings of Jacob for myself.

At the same time, my rational mind also questions some of the hardships faced by the Palestinians. Something Africans are used to. You could easily swap their story for the Black South African story - a land grab by European settlers. At the same time, the Jews have historic claim to the land, going back to the time of Joshua.

Really, I have to be blind to my core human values for me to jump on any side of the debate hence I always abstain from this debate.

The debate itself is endless sef so I don't know why Africans waste their time on it.

I was raised in the Christian belief system and I hold no grudge against Jews. However, I am against the evil, Apartheid policies of the state of Israel. Just because Hitler attempted to annihilate the Jews, does not give the Zionists (the evil subset of the generally peaceful Jews) the right to attempt to annihilate the Palestinians.

Israel must change it's evil policies for peace to exist in the Middle-East.

Furthermore, the era of depending on idiots like George W. Bush is coming to an end. Unless McCain wins the next election, Israel should kiss goodbye to the era of random massacre of Palestinians with US support/backing.

Lastly, the senseless policies of the Bush administration have empowered Iran, and Iran will continue to grow stronger.

To stave off an eventual calamity in the future, Israel must change her policies.

4 Him:

This is false. Its the sob story the arabs have successfully sold to the rest of the world.
If the "palestinians" have faced any "hardship" its because their leaders have DELIBERATELY created the scenario to use as a psychological weapon against Israel since they failed woefully to militarilly defeat her.

Why are "refugees" in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iran still "refugees" 60 years after? Not even the US has such a wicked policy.
Why are the arabs not trying to help the palestinians? Why do they depend on Israel for medicine, food, gas, electricity? why is the US the largest provider of AID to the PNA despite the presence of so many rich arab countries who never fail to weep and gnash their teeth about the "plight" of the palestinians?

Are these people truly suffering? If they can purchase enough rockets to shell Sderot 50 times a day then they have no excuse for not being able to feed their children.

I only hope you can see the illogic in your argument.

RichyBlacK:

I only hope you can see the illogic in your argument.

i only see the deciet and disconnect in your own "logic".

@4Him,

I know you are passionate about this issue but try to bring your tone down a little bit.

@RichyBlack,

Israel must change it's evil policies for peace to exist in the Middle-East.

What evil policies? Of defending itself whenm under attack? I have asked you guys to define what you consider as proportionate response from Isreal since every thing they do is disproportionate in your views.

Furthermore, the era of depending on idiots like George W. Bush is coming to an end. Unless McCain wins the next election, Israel should kiss goodbye to the era of random massacre of Palestinians with US support/backing.

My guy, Isreal only targets the militants unlike your Arab friends who aim for civilians. It seems you prefer the later tactics to the former. What Bush policies are you against? The one that insists on democratisation?

Tayo-D:

@4Him,

I know you are passionate about this issue but try to bring your tone down a little bit.

thank you brother.

RichyBlacK:

To stave off an eventual calamity in the future, Israel must change her policies.

Only 2 questions and it sufficeth me:
1. What policies should Israel change?
2. Should Hamas, PNA, Hezbollah also be pressured to change their policies?

Please i need more info on the nation of Israel.

How did they settle in there present location?
Where were they before the settlement?
is it possible to hold Jewish nationality as a Nigerian?

@vikiviko

Please i need more info on the nation of Israel.

Here you go son. Am going to sometimes put it in a Nigerian context to make it clearer for you to understand.

How did they settle in there present location?

The Jews settled in present day Israel by migrating from Europe. Their first president was a European man called David Gurrion (from Poland). The arrival of this "terrorist" (according to the Arabs) was to change the face of the middle east forever. On arrival him and his fellow "Terrorists" went about displacing the indigenous population. Their goal was to create a "Zionist" state inhabited by Jews from around the globe.

Where were they before the settlement?

Because Judaism is a religion, Jews are scattered around the world. This is why you have Jews in Russia, America, Turkey, Iran, Syria etc.
As an Edo man we know in our history that the offspring of the Ogiso (the omnipotent and omniscience in Bini folklore) set up a camp in "Ilefe" (Ile Ife) and changed his name to "Izoduwa"
(corruptly called Oduduwa by the Yorubas). Since we are direct descendants of the Ogiso, should we lay claim to Yorubaland?

is it possible to hold Jewish nationality as a Nigerian?

Fat chance,it will be meaningless my friend. I once read in Wikipedia how an African American "Jew" left in the 70s to live in Israel. They gave him and his followers a settlement outside town, he was never accepted as a Jew because of his skin color.
Why do you think Condo "black Jew" Rice hasn't emigrated? This Lesbian woman would long have emigrated but for her skin color. If you really want to work in a kibbutz as a second class citizen then go for it.

PS:
You can do your own research but avoid Jewish websites. You will have a different opinion the more you learn about Jews.

4 Him:

thank you brother.

Only 2 questions and it sufficeth me:
1. What policies should Israel change?
2. Should Hamas, PNA, Hezbollah also be pressured to change their policies?

Where do I begin? Stop building new homes on occupied territories. Stop building the racist wall on Palestinian land hoping when the inevitable settlement comes, you will be able to claim it as yours. Stop the Guantanamo bay style enclosure of Gaza.
Now tell the Jews to stop the use of cluster bombs, napalm, and phosphorus weapons on civilian population. They are the only nation still making liberal use of chemical weapons. By their very nature the above weapons are designed to kill en mass.
A nation founded by racism but cries anti-semitic when it's under scrutiny. (Its ok to be anti Arab though) Injustice is universal irrespective of race or creed.
Its coming to a point in America when you have to be teary eyed and sobbing, else you'll be classed as racist.
Recently Hilary said she will obliterate Iran if it attacks Israel, incredible that American politicians go out of their way to side with Israel. Sad sad sad. Thank God Hilary will never go near the oval office again.
Now lets have a sensible man like Obama in the white house for "A change we can believe in".
Merci!

Tornadoz:

The Jews settled in present day Israel by migrating from Europe.

The majority population of Jerusalem was Jewish as early as the 1800s. Pls stop misleading the gullible.

Tornadoz:

Their first president was a European man called David Gurrion (from Poland).

Interesting . . . Yasser Arafat was Egyptian.

Tornadoz:

The arrival of this "terrorist" (according to the Arabs) was to change the face of the middle east forever. On arrival him and his fellow "Terrorists" went about displacing the indigenous population.

Really? The PLO (erroneously assumed to be the Palestinian liberation movement) was actually founded NOT by palestinians but by the Arab league of nations that included Jordan and Egypt.

- Here is what the PLO said in 1964 - "This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area."

Isnt it interesting that this same organization, less than 40 yrs after proclaims those same territories to be OCCUPIED?

Tornadoz:

Because Judaism is a religion, Jews are scattered around the world.

What does this mean?

Tornadoz:

Where do I begin? Stop building new homes on occupied territories.

Those territories are not occupied. The PLO CLEARLY indicated they had no sovereignity over them in 1964, Jordan has refused to accept the Westbank and Egypt now has a wall that separates it from Gaza.

Tornadoz:

Stop building the racist wall on Palestinian land

- the wall isnt racist but was put there to stop terrorists. Suicide bombings has dropped over 90% since the wall was built
- Egypt has a wall on the Gaza border too, is that bothering you also?

Tornadoz:

Stop the Guantanamo bay style enclosure of Gaza.

- Gaza/Hamas does not recognise the existence of Israel, why should Israel be obliged to open their borders to them? Do the US open their borders to Mexicans?
- Contrary to propaganda, Egypt also has a border with Gaza that is permanently shut. Not even oil, medicine or food is allowed through.
- Why shld Israel open its borders to those who have its destruction as their ultimate goal?

Tornadoz:

Now tell the Jews to stop the use of cluster bombs, napalm, and phosphorus weapons on civilian population.

Contrary to propaganda, Israel has only used napalm and phosphorous bombs during 2 wars - the defensive war of 1967 and the civil war in Lebanon in 1982. Other armies to have used the napalm bomb (which Tornadoz cares little about) include the US, Vietnam, Egypt, Korea, Ecuador AND Nigeria.

Tornadoz:

They are the only nation still making liberal use of chemical weapons.

This is blatantly false.

Tornadoz:

A nation founded by racism but cries anti-semitic when it's under scrutiny.

This again is miserable propaganda. Israel is a jewish nation with a 20% arab population (racist?) just as well as Germany has a majority German population. Its funny that CLEARLY ARAB states like Syria, Jordan . . . have NO jewish population and regard themselves as Is'lamic nations.

Tornadoz:

(Its ok to be anti Arab though) Injustice is universal irrespective of race or creed.

You however only seem to see Israeli "injustice".

Tornadoz:

Recently Hilary said she will obliterate Iran if it attacks Israel, incredible that American politicians go out of their way to side with Israel. Sad sad sad.

Its even more sad that the same US is the largest donor to the PNA and Egypt.

Israel is successful because it realizes that because its chronically underpopulated (they have only 8 million people), they can't afford any one go to waste, they realize that in order to be successful they have to maximize the potential of everybody by providing them a world class education.

Israel realizes that it has to be very very innovative or there enemies would squash them.