hisblud:

no need to get worked up... ok lets take the verses of 1 cor 14 and see what it says from beginning to end and lets see what it says. will you then....i would like to use NKJV and strong concordance, is it okay by you?

cor 1:14
Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, [b]but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[c] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.

the bold is the key...
Now he says speak not pray... i am repeating again... someone speaking to a group of people... he is not praying to them but addressing them like the pastor address the church.

FrostyZonn: Speaking in tongues stimulates faith and helps us learn how to trust God more fully.
For example, faith must be exercised
to speak with tongues because the Holy Spirit supernaturally directs the words we speak. You see, we don’t know what the
next word will be—we have to trust God for that. And trusting God in one area helps us learn to trust Him in another area.

if speaking in tongue like paul speaking in another language like french and the holy spirit directs it i will understand...

but if speaking in tongues is the non sense people do in church today... then nope...
God cannot direct you to pray to him.
Did Jesus speak in tongues when praying to the father?

FrostyZonn: Speaking in tongues stimulates faith and helps us learn how to trust God more fully.
For example, faith must be exercised
to speak with tongues because the Holy Spirit supernaturally directs the words we speak. You see, we don’t know what the
next word will be—we have to trust God for that. And trusting God in one area helps us learn to trust Him in another area.

And No, I don't believe it is compulsory. I believe it is a gift that some people may have and others not.

The problem is that the words we speak might not be our own, since God is the one doing the prayer himself, according to some posters here. eplain dat
I jux wanna learn.

benalvino:

if speaking in tongue like paul speaking in another language like french and the holy spirit directs it i will understand...

but if speaking in tongues is the non sense people do in church today... then nope...
God cannot direct you to pray to him.
Did Jesus speak in tongues when praying to the father?

And how did you came to the conclusion that they are speaking "nonsense"?

Certainly the holy spirit doesn't thinks so, and it takes a high evolved level of understanding that can only be achieved by faith to comprehend the significance of speaking in tongues.

FrostyZonn:

And how did you came to the conclusion that they are speaking "nonsense"?

Certainly the holy spirit doesn't thinks so, and it takes a high evolved level of understanding that can only be achieved by faith to comprehend the significance of speaking in tongues.

since when kikikikikakakakakokokokopapapapalalalala you see in church is not nonsense?
how can you say you are praying to God when you dont know what you are praying to God?
was the corinthians 1:14 talking about praying or communicating to the church? this is the thing you people dont understand...

did Jesus, Abraham, Moses ever speak in tongues while praying?
or since God talk to Abraham and adam, moses directly
was he doing kikikikikakakakkaakookokokok or he was speaking their normal hebrew?

in John 3:16 did he use kikikikikakakakaaka to say this is my beloved son? or did he speak their normal Greek.

you guys just take verse out of context and build doctrine on it... I use to believe it.. studying the bible shows me its madness... I can speak that tongue those pastor speak without the gift as they say... cause such thing don't exist

kimco:
What in God's name.....so it is required by ''faith'' to ''blindly'' follow? Really? Explain further please, i'm intrigued

Not to blindly follow. You get me wrong..

Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.


Our assurance comes from the Word of God. The Holy Spirit helps us to understand the Word as we make efforts to study it.

benalvino:

since when kikikikikakakakakokokokopapapapalalalala you see in church is not nonsense?
how can you say you are praying to God when you dont know what you are praying to God?
was the corinthians 1:14 talking about praying or communicating to the church? this is the thing you people dont understand...

did Jesus, Abraham, Moses ever speak in tongues while praying?
or since God talk to Abraham and adam, moses directly
was he doing kikikikikakakakkaakookokokok or he was speaking their normal hebrew?

in John 3:16 did he use kikikikikakakakaaka to say this is my beloved son? or did he speak their normal Greek.

you guys just take verse out of context and build doctrine on it... I use to believe it.. studying the bible shows me its madness... I can speak that tongue those pastor speak without the gift as they say... cause such thing don't exist

To each his own.

FrostyZonn:

To each he's own.

yeah...

benalvino:

cor 1:14
Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, [b]but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[c] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.

the bold is the key...
Now he says speak not pray... i am repeating again... someone speaking to a group of people... he is not praying to them but addressing them like the pastor address the church.

would you care to take a verse by verse of 1 cor 14 so we can understand it in its context... NKJV and Strong concordance .. do you agree so that we might enlighten ourselves?

There is nothing like speaking in tough now because Jesus Christ came and died for us so three is no tongs only exercise faith in Christ ransom sacrifice

hisblud:

would you care to take a verse by verse of 1 cor 14 so we can understand it in its context... NKJV and Strong concordance .. do you agree so that we might enlighten ourselves?

it has been explained countless times...

If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. (1 Cor 14:27-28)

speaking in tongues the way you see it in church is fake period.

Somethingelse: There is nothing like speaking in tough now because Jesus Christ came and died for us so three is no tongs only exercise faith in Christ ransom sacrifice

you see madness in church...

Somethingelse: There is nothing like speaking in tough now because Jesus Christ came and died for us so three is no tongs only exercise faith in Christ ransom sacrifice

Wow, some niggaz be trippin...

benalvino:

it has been explained countless times...

If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. (1 Cor 14:27-28)

speaking in tongues the way you see it in church is fake period.

your opinion or bible opinion?

Somethingelse: There is nothing like speaking in tough now because Jesus Christ came and died for us so three is no tongs only exercise faith in Christ ransom sacrifice

Speaking in tongues is biblical. But people, thoug sincere in their purpose, have mistaken this for speaking gibberish. Like 1 Corinthians clearly states, every language has a meaning, there should be an interpreter for it to edify the church. If it doesn't edify the church but the person's 'spirito level' to use my Scripture Union lingua, then it can as well be chucked out as gibberish.

@ben and feargod
No one feels like taking verse by verse of 1 cor 14?

hisblud: @ben and feargod
No one feels like taking verse by verse of 1 cor 14?

We have already done it. Plus the last verse I quote about they should keep quiet if no one is there to interprete it. But you keep ignoring it.

Ok you take it verse by verse to verse 20

benalvino:

We have already dont it. Plus the last verse I quote about they should keep quiet if no one is there to interprete it. But you keep ignoring it.

Ok you take it verse by verse to verse 20

Ok ben, should we start from verse one then...

benalvino:

We have already done it. Plus the last verse I quote about they should keep quiet if no one is there to interprete it. But you keep ignoring it.

Ok you take it verse by verse to verse 20

Ben just one question for you, have you ever received Holyghost baptism?

[quote
author=Emusan]

Ben just one question for you, have you ever received Holyghost
baptism?[/quote]

I don't understand what you mean by holyghost baptism... Sir

But about the gift of the tongue... It simply means gift of languages
for communication between 2 people.it is never said to be used in the
sense of praying to God

benalvino:

I don't understand what you mean by holyghost baptism... Sir

But about the gift of the tongue... It simply means gift of languages
for communication between 2 people.it is never said to be used in the
sense of praying to God

I mean when the spirit of God come upon you.

Emusan:


I mean when the spirit of God come upon you.

The Spirit of God is upon all his children.

FearGodAndLive:
The Spirit of God is upon all his children.

Who are the children of God?

Why do christian need Holyghost baptisn?

if you really want to know the truth
https://www.nairaland.com/1373638/leave-church-speaks-tongues-gibberish#17041458

well explained.. hisblud it will help you understand...

benalvino: if you really want to know the truth
https://www.nairaland.com/1373638/leave-church-speaks-tongues-gibberish#17041458

well explained.. hisblud it will help you understand...

its a monologue and am inviting you for a dialogue, would you be willing to dialogue?

FearGodAndLive:
Not to blindly follow. You get me wrong..

Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.


Our assurance comes from the Word of God. The Holy Spirit helps us to understand the Word as we make efforts to study it.

your explanation failed to account for the context in which you made that statement

kimco:
your explanation failed to account for the context in which you made that statement

Sorry, I didn't quite get you..

Nothing is compulsory in this life. The life you live is a function of choice. You can make e good choice or a bad choice depending on the information at your disposal. University education is good but it is not compulsory. Heaven is real but lots of folks will not go because they have made their choice to go the other way - Hell.

If you want to have a fulfilled and productive Christian life, you should take advantage of the gift of tongues. It is the physical sign that follows the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Born again experience without the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a very shallow experience. The Bible likens it to a well of water. "But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." (John 4:14)

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a much deeper experience. It is likened to rivers of living water. "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) (John 7:38-39)

The other point is this - After you are born again, your salvation needs to be sealed. And the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the seal of your salvation. "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (Ephesians 1:13).
Paul said the same thing in the book of Corinthian - "Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. (2 Corinthians 1:22)


If you study the book of Acts carefully, you will notice that whenever people give their lives to Christ, the first thing the Apostle do is to immediately minister the Holy Ghost to them.

"Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." (Acts 8:14-17)

"And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." (Acts 19:1-6)

There is no way you can serve God effectively without the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Jesus himself did not start his earthly ministry until he was filed with the Holy Spirit. The early disciples where told not to go anywhere until they receive the Holy Spirit. Why do you think you can serve God without the Holy Spirit?

The gift is for everyone that believes. "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues." (Mark 16:17)

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." (Acts 2:38-39)

Jesus called it a good gift, "If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? {offer: Gr. give} If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:11-13)

If you want to know more on this subject, send your e-mail to my mail box - kenmacaulaylive@gmailcom.

Joagbaje in my opinion gave a very good answer. It's not compulsory. U'll get to heaven without it. However, u'll b missin a lot spiritually without it. It's for every believer. It edifies(builds up). So just enjoy it- for several minutes, hours.

benalvino:

gen 10:5
By these were the coastlands of the nations divided in their lands; everyone after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

gen 10:20
These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.

gen 10:31
These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.

And in the days of Artaxerxes wrote Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel, and the rest of their companions, unto Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the writing of the letter was written in Aramaic, and set forth in the Aramaic language
from the above we can tell that tongue is language especially ezra 4;7

I will advise you to read the Corinthians you quote till verse 22... and you will get the full idea of what it is saying...

14 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especiallyprophecy.
here the gift is more focused on prophecy not tongues

2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.
this is talking about people who speak foreign language to the church... now tell me which kind prayer you are using to communicate with people? prayer is between God and man... so no need for the people to even hear what you are praying... and the verses is comparing tongue(languages) to prophesies... if you speak in tongues you edify your self because no one understands but it you prophesy you edify the church again the verses are comparing... see verse 3 to 4 below

3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who[b] prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[c] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
you see that he is not talking about prayers... its like i go to a church in US and start speaking tongues of ijaw... thats what this verses are about. [/b]


6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.

13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16 Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,[d] say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17 You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.

18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
now if speaking in tongues is a prayer why will he be speaking in tongues to the people... and see how he says he rather speak intelligible words than speaking in tongues... if it is a gift of prayers why is he rejecting it here?

20 Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21 In the Law it is written:


“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”
it is obvious that the tongues are other languages


22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24 But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all, 25 as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”

you guys should learn how to use context

Bro,

I came across ds thread and i wonder if i could ask u some questions for clarity of wat u posted.

U said

2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.
this is talking about people who speak foreign language to the church... now tell me which kind prayer you are using to communicate with people? prayer is between God and man... so no need for the people to even hear what you are praying... and the verses is comparing tongue(languages) to prophesies... if you speak in tongues you edify your self because no one understands but it you prophesy you edify the church again the verses are comparing... see verse 3 to 4 below

3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.[/color] 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who[b] prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[c] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
you see that he is not talking about prayers... its like i go to a church in US and start speaking tongues of ijaw... thats what this verses are about.

Pls if d man who speaks in tongues is about speaking a foreign language to d church (Ijaw to US), wat language exactly is d same man speaking whn prophesying?
Also does dt means everytime we communicate (eg in English) in UK churches, we ar prophesying, since we d audience can here d preacher?

It is not compulsory not every1 can do dat and if you speak in tongues some1 can interpret wat u said. Go back nd read wen d disciples locked demselves in a room. Just dat dis days everyone believes dat if u don't speak in tongues or fall down during anointing it means u are not on d anointed. I watch foreign churches and I don't see d pastors speak in tongues

Most people do not really understand that there are really two forms to speaking in tongues.They think what obtains in most pentecostal churches today is similar to the events of the day of pentecost,this can not be farther from the truth.Speaking in tongues in reality could be classified into two main groups namely Xenoglossia and Glossolalia.

What is Xenoglossia?

This is used to describe what happened on the day of pentecost where someone is able to speak a language he had not learned before and is understood by users of that language.it is like an igbo man with no prior knowlege of yoruba suddenly preaching to a yoruba man in his native yoruba dialect.Xenoglossia can hardly be faked and is a very rare phenomenom and only very few cases have been observed in christendom over the centuries.

Glossolalia is another term which is used to decribe what st paul wrote about in 1 corinthians 12-14.People under the influenve of the holy spirit are made to speak heavenly languages or the language of angels not normally discernible to humans.It can easily be faked as the languages are not normally discernible to humans and as such except you are gifted you will not be able to discern if a person is faking it.

Glossolalia which the scripture clearly describes as an inferior gift to prophecy and teaching has been so flatly abused in our present generation.
It is no longer practised as directed by the scriptures(maximum of three people in a church and one after another and if no interpreter exists the person should shut up)

Nowadays the mad house described by paul in our churches are what is obtainanble in most of pentecostal churches.People now do it for show,at times more than 100 people at a time.These churches now impress upon their members to compulsorily speak in tongues and as a result most of them fake it so as not to appear as if there are the only 'sinners' in the midst of 'holy people'.

I think its high time these churches retraces their steps and use these gifts as directed by scriptures in the 1st book of corinthians.

https://www.nairaland.com/1416521/speaking-tongues-xenoglossia-vs-glossolalia