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Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by DeepSight(m): 7:34pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Alfa Seltzer: No i do not think so. Not all life is conscious. And certainly there is much life that is not self conscious. Plants, for example. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 7:36pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Well, that's what the fool (loveoftruth) you were praising was insinuating. And plaetton has been trying to say that abiogenis may produce life, albeit an unconscious one. So what is life? |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by DeepSight(m): 7:37pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Alfa Seltzer: He made the point that life is not a mere mixture of physical elements or compounds such as amino acids. That's what he was getting at. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 7:38pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Deep Sight: What is life? |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by DeepSight(m): 7:41pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Alfa Seltzer: Well for the purpose of this discussion let us work with the attributes MR NIGER D. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 7:42pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Deep Sight: |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by DeepSight(m): 7:47pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Alfa Seltzer: MR NIGER D is an acronym for the attributes of living things - Movement Respiration Nutrition Irritability Growth Excretion Reproduction Death. 1 Like |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by UyiIredia(m): 7:54pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
plaetton: As expected, water through a sieve. I first, in my OWN words stated how your talk of Oparin was nonsense. No OOL researcher takes his work seriously. RNA world is the in thing. Go to Wikipedia for confirmation. plaetton: Damn inane ! Read up the sub-section early earth conditions. Note the conditions between 3.7 and 4.2 Ga (billion yeras ago) and tell me whether that has been simulated. Keep in mind that the late heavy bombardment supposedly occurred in that time frame. Prediction: plaetton ignores this or obfuscates the import. plaetton: The conditions are stated in Wikipedia. I couldn't care where else in the galaxy our Solar system was. Even that is much debatable. WHAT MATTERS is conditions prevailing on earth. plaetton: Oh my God ! Back to Francis Crick's panspermia (directed or whatever). I hope you won't bring in UFO's and pot-bellied Martians as well, twould be ludicrous for a doffer who scoffs at Bible stories. Google Lee Kronin and TED. In Kronin's TED talk he rightly stated that panspermia shifts the problem back. You are so out of line with OOL research you hardly know what's considered in OOL research. Take a day to educate yoursef before attempting to teach others nonsense. plaetton: Open mindedness contemplates any idea before judging it. Open-mindedness does in fact shut out ideas BUT after consideration but close-mindedness bars ideas prima facie. I have and still am contemplating abiogenesis and find it untenable. In fact, it's so untenable mainstream abiogenesis researchers hardly attempt to simulate natural conditions before life. plaetton: The technical shortcomings, critical ones I mentioned and you WILFULLy ignored override its 'scientific' plausibility. plaetton: I dread you call the facts of aminocylation, ribosomes being incapable of performin it, and ribosyme engineering as non-scientific. All I wrote was flimsy, damn ! I mean it was expected but then, damn ! So coacervates by Oparin and Fox's protenoids are what 'scientific'. SMH. Wallow in your dreamland. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by Emusan(m): 8:01pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
plaetton: Remember, after successful outcome of Miller-Urey experiment it being published in journals, books, medials that scientist have successfully demostrated how life could've started in early Earth inwhich some years back Plaetton also believe that life started in on earth. If you're not deaf and dumb as you say in your post why can't you ask yourself if scientist don't know the origin of LIFE, how do they know only a single cell started it all? They did their best simulate a prehistoric environmental condition. They did not have to get it 100% right. They been awarded for the outcome of their experiment hope you know that. Any one with an open mind would know that 3.5 billion years ago, the earth and our solar system could have been in another part of the galaxy as the sun carries us along her 250 billion years cycle around the galactic center. No wonder scientist couldn't account for rotation of the planet like Venus & Uranus that rotate clockwise on their axis while the rest like Earth, Mercury e.t.c rotate anticlockwise despite that all planet are control by same SUN. It is also possible, again for any one with an open mind, that the actual first process that generated life could have very well occurred in another planet or in another galaxy before being accidentally or deliberately transported to earth via meteorites or comets. I will slap you from my Phone for you to mention 'DELIBERATELY', do you realise that deliberate is an action from a purposeful mind set? Quite frankly, anyone who is not open minded enough to consider(not necessarily accept) such scenarios is not qualified to see him or herself as a seeker of knowledge, a discussion of this sort a waste of time. Imagine Plaetton as an open minded still believes in one cell turns to billions of lives we can see today, when the Chernobyl Nuclear Reactor accident in Russia is still producing disease in the local population because it increases the radiation and causes high mutations. It does not matter to me the technical shortcomings of an idea as long as the general idea is scientifically plausible. which scientific idea? The very fact that other eminent scientists can find fault in the experiment speaks volumes about the superiority of the scientific system. lol... If you dismiss the theory of Abiogenesis on flimsy technicalities, then you must offer a more reasonable and plausible scientific notion that we can work with. Let me tell you the secret behind LIFE and why atheist scientist have not found the origin of LIFE. Life is an immaterial which atheist don't believe in. Cells are not life natural death proves it. Life can only come from life. Life isn't a chemical formula. These four points are all true about LIFE take it or leave it. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by DeepSight(m): 8:23pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
^^^ Good post. However when he said "deliberately" he meant that an advanced civilization elsewhere in the universe could have done it. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by DeepSight(m): 9:06pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
plaetton: Anybody notice the staggering fantasy in the bold? "In turn" indicates a separate happening. No experiment has ever been conducted on what then happens "in turn"! And yet a blanket unsubstantiated statement is made that "these in turn, [size=20pt]would[/size] organize [size=20pt]themselves[/size] into a living cell! The height of delusional fantasy! |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by Nobody: 1:07am On Jul 24, 2013 |
wiegraf: I thought you were quite aware that christianity lays no claims to science? You were the one hogging all the science and logic to yourself so try and answer the questions pls rather than waffling. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by Nobody: 1:27am On Jul 24, 2013 |
wiegraf: Deepsight laid out 12 detailed questions, you ignored them to whine about God? Says a lot about your ignorance. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by Nobody: 1:28am On Jul 24, 2013 |
mkmyers45: Can you show me a major peer-reviewed article that takes that experiment seriously? Says a lot about your general ignorance. The scientific world left the Urey-Miller relic over 40 yrs ago. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by wiegraf: 4:01am On Jul 24, 2013 |
davidylan: I've known you to be a bumbling re.tard, but I did not know the extent... You have one of those bible things? That book instructs you on what to wear (or face hell!!)? Let me help you GOD!!!?: Or perhaps you want to try another translation? And please, non of that nonsense about non-literal interpretations. You, and despite the supposed years of schooling, would be interpreting it literally if you thought you could get away with it. But as it's obvious nonsense suddenly.... the bible makes no claims to science. At least the years of schooling saved you from complete folly.. And when, in your infinite wisdom, was I hugging all the science? |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by Nobody: 4:03am On Jul 24, 2013 |
wiegraf: This is more irrelevant piffle meant to escape the fact that atheists have spent over 7 pages unable to answer the simplest questions underpinning their claims. Struggling desperately to make it about the bible is quite lame to be honest. 1 Like |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by wiegraf: 4:12am On Jul 24, 2013 |
davidylan: Try to limit your foolishness, did you notice that YOU mentioned the bible, not me? As for claiming we're not addressing, I hope your problem is just slight comprehension problems and not genuine re.tardation |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by wiegraf: 4:14am On Jul 24, 2013 |
davidylan: Oh, yes, and this. A scientist that can look one in the eye and say 'there's no evidence for evolution' speaking about 'ignorance'? Please, clap for yourself oga... Have to leave, just for now.. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by Nobody: 4:20am On Jul 24, 2013 |
wiegraf: There are 12 questions on the first page... plenty of space for you to pick just one and lay out the "evidence for evolution". Go right ahead and educate us. Surely it shouldnt be that difficult. Afterall you have been here responding to every comment except those that are germaine to the thread itself... surely it cant be because you have no answers no? We are patiently waiting for your erudite refutation of all the "retarded nonsense" deepsight put up. I trust your intelligence. 1 Like |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by ooman(m): 7:19am On Jul 24, 2013 |
loveroftruth: Most often it is better to overlook and ignore your ignorance that have driven you into the state you are right now. load of rubbish from a confused dummy. the analogy was only suppose to show the difference between water and DNA, nothing more. all you have up there can be ignored. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by ooman(m): 7:33am On Jul 24, 2013 |
loveroftruth: another mumu and annoying post from the same dummy. High school genetics will tell you that you lose DNA at every cell division, this is why you grow old and that blood vessel connection is needed to supply your cells matter for metabolism, this is why you die if such connections were broken even if you still have all the DNA and water. your own ignorance is particularly alarming. deinococus radiodurances can wake itself up after been confirmed clinically dead, so where is your breadth of life in that? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinococcus_radiodurans 2 Likes |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by ooman(m): 7:37am On Jul 24, 2013 |
davidylan: the question of life origin and that of universe cannot be answered presently until we know more about their evolution, so wallow in your ignorance a little bit more, theory of evolution is got all the time it needs and its still some 200 years old so calm down, in time all answers will be found and there will be no more room for your god. 1 Like |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 8:36am On Jul 24, 2013 |
davidylan: His reponse was for the godly like deep sight, who also believe in evolution. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by Nobody: 1:08pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
ooman: What are you talking about? 1 Like |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by Nobody: 12:32am On Jul 25, 2013 |
What happened? As usual so much noise and our dear atheists who crow about logic and science all day cannot answer a simple 1 of 12 questions? What a crying shame. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by plaetton: 3:08am On Jul 25, 2013 |
Deep Sight: ^^^ Good post. However when he said "deliberately" he meant that an advanced civilization elsewhere in the universe could have done it. Good post? I shake sadly as I witness the descent of Deepsight. Stop going to church, my friend. I think it's beginning to mess with your head. The mind is a terrible thing to waste. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by ooman(m): 3:47am On Jul 25, 2013 |
davidylan: What happened? As usual so much noise and our dear atheists who crow about logic and science all day cannot answer a simple 1 of 12 questions? What a crying shame. do you recognize logic when one is presented? as a xtian that you are, I doubt that.. |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by plaetton: 5:00am On Jul 25, 2013 |
davidylan: What happened? As usual so much noise and our dear atheists who crow about logic and science all day cannot answer a simple 1 of 12 questions? What a crying shame. Davidylan. You are an Enigma. You should be the bearing the Handle "Enigma" in Nairaland, not my other irredeemable detractor presently bearing the title. lol . You, Davidylan, if you were the scientist that you claim that you are would have easily dismissed those so-called posers with a casual wave of the hand. The so-called posers are soooo elementary, that anyone, I mean anyone who has taken a first year university course in biology should enjoy a good laugh at the ignorance of those who for some very strange reasons, actually oppose the scientific theory of evolution as if was a rival political ideology or religion. I have been deliberately dismissing the posers because I figured that they are too elementary, and I wanted, asked , urged and begged Deepsight to explain what , if anything at all, that he understood and accepted about the theory of evolution. But like the brilliant lawyer that he is , he probably assumed that I was trying to trap him into a dark hole from which he would have found quite difficult to dissentagle. Below is the one of the major posers deepsight has been harping on. If you, as phd scientist, cannot volunteer to answer these questions for Deepsight, then you are dishonest. If you, as a phd scientist, do not know the simple answers to these questions, then , I'm sorry, I dont know where to place you. In your own words, you are confused about the bible and the biblical fairy tales(your own words) that you so much love to defend, and here now, you cannot stand by the scientific calling which you also claim to posses. You are a very confused fellow. You are an Enigma. 10. Se.xual reproduction, Se.xuality and se.xual organs deny and defy evolution as a product of chance alone. Se.xual organs so precisely fit for purpose in shape, form and function, as to be triggered by hormones into interplay, with the result of forming new creatures within a womb fit for said purpose, and feeding the new creatures therein for a gestation period prior to delivery as a new being into the world, cannot be explained as a consequence of random evolution. You would have to show how, why and when the first asexual organism translated by reproduction into a s.exual organism, with all these fit for purpose se.xual organs and functions - and divided in functions male and female. You will have to account in evolutionary terms exactly how and why this happened somewhere along the line, as there was no such thing as male or female with first unicellular life, was there? Exactly what is the evolutionary explanation for the dichotomy: male and female? How and why did this happen? Why and how did se.xual reproduction come to exist in the evolutionary scale? |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by plaetton: 5:36am On Jul 25, 2013 |
@Deepsight. Once more, I have slowly gone through your so-called posers that you have been gloating about. Once again, I can honestly tell you they do not reflect the lofty level of your intellect. So, I begin to wonder what your motive was. If you were sincerely in need of answers to the questions,you would have found them within minutes. The simple answers to your so-called posers are so abundant, that any junior high school student can find them with a twinkle of an eye. This is the information age. There are very few mysteries in your so-called posers. Just go to google, just go to wikipaedia, just go to the science section of your public library. Stop seeing mysteries where none exist. Seek and you shall find. That is the mantra of our new era. I am loathe to think that you are ignorant or that you are lazy. So I think that your overly verbose and fantasy-laden write-up was more like an attempt to camoflouge your own confusion about evolution, while at the same time, ambush your perceived atheist enemies. Akin to something that a fearful defence lawyer would present to an ill-informed jury. It goes like this. "Let me give the atheists a big assignment, and if they cannot quickly finish the assignment, therefore...... atheists dont know all about evolution, and if that is so, then the entire atheist's worldview is ......wrong". Right? The new face of Anonyism. lol You have learnt much from our resident spin miester. Now, if you are unable to find the answers to these posers on your own, and you are sincere about it, I will volunteer to give you a lengthy bulletin and summary of evolution, from which you can put 2 and 2 together( as I am sure you are capable), and answer the questions yourself. The only cavaet is that you have to tell us, in some detail, your understanding of how evolution works. That way, I can assist you patch up the leaking aspects of your knowledge on the subject. Until then , be Silent! 1 Like |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 8:02am On Jul 25, 2013 |
Oh, I gave him and answer on his multicellular/unicellular evolution advantage and he ran away. Any more questions deepsight? |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by Nobody: 9:57am On Jul 25, 2013 |
ooman:logic does not agree with christianity sir. I thought you got that in our earlier conversation where i quoted scripture for you. Unfortunately for you sir, you're a man, and every man yearns for the power of the supernatural. Yes. Sometimes men try to satisfy this desire in their hearts with science, but most times, they realize that even that does not quench this yearning in their hearts. We know this power, we speak of what we experience and feel, yes, we know and understand that this powerful God whom you deny is at work in our lives. We testify, and ask you to join us in knowing this wonderful and loving creator. We have his evidence in our lives. But you call the message foolishness, simply because it seems illogical to you as you dont know what we experience. But is it not foolishness to deny the existence of one simply because you claim not to experience him? Even though countless others clain the opposite and you see its fruits in their lives? |
Re: Who The Hell Said The Big Bang And Evolution Explain Life??????? by DeepSight(m): 10:09am On Jul 25, 2013 |
plaetton: Lol, this is just incredibly funny. Its amazing how you are not tired of repeating how you are "laughing" at our ignorance, how the questions are "sooooooooo elementary" and all that: and yet you spend lots of spaces writing and repeating this ad infinitum ad nauseum, still, in the most comical and cowardly fashion, failing to address the poser even once! Funny man! |
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