I had to create a new moniker for this.

I think so many people are waking up in the organization. I myself just woke up too. Those defending the JWs and the organization with their soul, i was like that also. I think you should keep in your mind psalms 146:3. We shouldnt put our trust in princes nor any man who cant bring salvation. The organization has a lot of doctrines that have been changed consitently which they refer to as new light. If the GB claims to be inspired by the holyspirit then their doctrines shouldnt change because the bible says Gods word does not change. The one that got me was the watchtowers membership with the united nations. The watchtower definitely had no excuse for that because theyve consistently referred to the UN as babylon the great. Besides that, the elders have a secret book(Sheperd the flock of God book). According to the book, elders can coverup their own sins and still be elders in the congregation, the two witness rule in child rape cases and more.

The governing body takes bible passages out of context for their own selfish reasons.

Besides, a governing body member actually lied inder oath at the ARC(Australian royal commision) concerning the child rape cases.

Also the disfellowshipping rule is non-biblical and very inhumane. Which shows that the Jws love is conditional. They would all shun you immediately you dissasociate or when youre disfellowshipped.
This has broken so many families and even led some to commiting suicide.

Not only is the watchtower associated with the UN but also with the OSCE which is affliated with the UN.


That is why the governing body keeps telling the members that they should not lookup any other site apart from jw.org

They have also discouraged young ones from getting higher educations because they know an educated person would think critically(not all though) even though.
So to my fellow brothers thinking this is the perfect organization, you still have more to know about this hideous organization.

I cant even ask the elders this questions or prove anything to them as it might cause me to get shunned by my family. The GB requires unquestionable obedience from all its members less you face the consequences.

Dont forget how many people the no blood rule has killed. But now the governing body says receiving some blood components gotten from blood are now okay. Imagine how families that have lost a loved one to the no blood rule would feel. This is the same organization that did not allow vaccines and organ transplant in the past also leading to the death of many.

Less i forget was also the politics the GB played in the Mexican-malawi scandal leading to thousands of death of witnesses in Malawi.

For those willing to research, i would say you look up the organizations history also which would show you that this organization is based on a pagan origin. Because CT Russell was a freemason and he used freemason symbols on early watchtowers.
Jws say birthdays are bad because they are based on pagan worship, but why do they use wedding rings? Dont they know wedding rings originated from paganism. Same with so many occasions they do.
But yet the hypocrisy in this organization is so alarming.
Im tired of writing.

I couldnt butress on all this points. MAKE RESEARCH ON THESE POINTS because they are true.
I actually wished they werent true first time i made my research with my heart beat rapidly beating. Turns out they were true because non refutable evidences were given.

Note- Im presently PIMO(Physically in mentally out) just for the family.


Jwfacts.com
http://beroeans.net

You are welcome to this side of life... Now wait and see how you will be called 'apostate' for asking questions or trying to use your head to read and understand the Bible.

rottennaija:
You are welcome to this side of life... Now wait and see how you will be called 'apostate' for asking questions or trying to use your head to read and understand the Bible.

Thank you.. Well, blame it on years of indoctrination.

search4truth:

Thank you.. Well, blame it on years of indoctrination.

Yes, I understand exactly how it feels. For about 2 years, I was Physically in mentally out. Each month that passes by became so depressing, until the reason for attending the meetings were no longer there. I simply stop and faded.

It good you came to the realization today that most of your believew were illusion. For some people, it took decades, for me it took about 15 years. Below is an extract about his own experience.

"Admittedly, the association with the congregation filled somewhat of a vacuum that had existed in my life, and the activity I began to engage in gave a sense of direction to my life. These things without question exerted an influence. Yet the fact is that I did believe it.

The way in which the material was presented, the argumentation used, caused me to believe I was learning “the truth.” Today I ask myself, “How? Why?” That the argumentation was and is seriously flawed is clear to me. I do not feel any sense of credit for now discerning that. The evidence was there all along. So there is certainly no cause for pride when considering that it took me nearly forty years of my life to come to the realization of the error. The effect is decidedly more one of humiliation than exaltation. Others saw many of these flaws considerably before I did, simply through their study of Scripture" - Ray Franz in his book, In search of Christian Freedom, page 443

rottennaija:


Yes, I understand exactly how it feels. For about 2 years, I was Physically in mentally out. Each month that passes by became so depressing, until the reason for attending the meetings were no longer there. I simply stop and faded.

It good you came to the realization today that most of your believew were illusion. For some people, it took decades, for me it took about 15 years. Below is an extract about his own experience.

"Admittedly, the association with the congregation filled somewhat of a vacuum that had existed in my life, and the activity I began to engage in gave a sense of direction to my life. These things without question exerted an influence. Yet the fact is that I did believe it.

The way in which the material was presented, the argumentation used, caused me to believe I was learning “the truth.” Today I ask myself, “How? Why?” That the argumentation was and is seriously flawed is clear to me. I do not feel any sense of credit for now discerning that. The evidence was there all along. So there is certainly no cause for pride when considering that it took me nearly forty years of my life to come to the realization of the error. The effect is decidedly more one of humiliation than exaltation. Others saw many of these flaws considerably before I did, simply through their study of Scripture" - Ray Franz in his book, In search of Christian Freedom, page 443

Cant wait to be fully out. Its soo depressing sitting in those meetings listening to things you dont beleive in anymore or the hypocritical teachings.
Last sundays study talked about separating ones self from the word and politics. But lowkey watchtower was once a member of the UN.
I was fuming in the hall.. couldnt even raise my hands to answer a question cos i knew what most of them sitting in that hall didnt know.

search4truth:


Cant wait to be fully out. Its soo depressing sitting in those meetings listening to things you dont beleive in anymore or the hypocritical teachings.
Last sundays study talked about separating ones self from the word and politics. But lowkey watchtower was once a member of the UN.
I was fuming in the hall.. couldnt even raise my hands to answer a question cos i knew what most of them sitting in that hall didnt know.

I understand the feeling, besides, watchtower is deeply involved in politics even till today, just in ways Jws are not aware. Lobbying, UN, (though not running for political office).

Keep researching, you will discover that it is not what watchtower had done, but what they are still doing today. What you have discovered is a tip of the iceberg, only scratching the surface

rottennaija:


I understand the feeling, besides, watchtower is deeply involved in politics even till today, just in ways Jws are not aware. Lobbying, UN, (though not running for political office).

Yea.. im aware of their other political involvements
Im beggining to think there is something more to the organization. The mind control is really strong
The truth cannot be hidden forever from people

search4truth:

Yea.. im aware of that
Im beggining to think there is something more to the organization.
The truth cannot be hidden forever from people

Yes, it cannot, But it requires effort. Brock by brick, slowly but steadily. Many people realize this 20, 30 years ago. We called them apostates, but it didn't deter them. Today, many are waking up to see that those small voices that the organization trampled in were indeed real and true.

Slowly but steadily, slowly but steadily

rottennaija:


Yes, it cannot, But it requires effort. Brock by brick, slowly but steadily. Many people realize this 20, 30 years ago. We called them apostates, but it didn't deter them. Today, many are waking up to see that those small voices that the organization trampled in were indeed real and true.

Slowly but steadily, slowly but steadily

Youre right.. So many are waking up.
Anyways.. i rest my case for now
Be safe brother

search4truth:

Youre right.. So many are waking up.
Anyways.. i rest my case for now
Be safe brother

OK. You too

search4truth:
I had to create a new moniker for this.

I think so many people are waking up in the organization. I myself just woke up too. Those defending the JWs and the organization with their soul, i was like that also. I think you should keep in your mind psalms 146:3. We shouldnt put our trust in princes nor any man who cant bring salvation. The organization has a lot of doctrines that have been changed consitently which they refer to as new light. If the GB claims to be inspired by the holyspirit then their doctrines shouldnt change because the bible says Gods word does not change. The one that got me was the watchtowers membership with the united nations. The watchtower definitely had no excuse for that because theyve consistently referred to the UN as babylon the great. Besides that, the elders have a secret book(Sheperd the flock of God book). According to the book, elders can coverup their own sins and still be elders in the congregation, the two witness rule in child rape cases and more.

The governing body takes bible passages out of context for their own selfish reasons.

Besides, a governing body member actually lied inder oath at the ARC(Australian royal commision) concerning the child rape cases.

Also the disfellowshipping rule is non-biblical and very inhumane. Which shows that the Jws love is conditional. They would all shun you immediately you dissasociate or when youre disfellowshipped.
This has broken so many families and even led some to commiting suicide.

Not only is the watchtower associated with the UN but also with the OSCE which is affliated with the UN.


That is why the governing body keeps telling the members that they should not lookup any other site apart from jw.org

They have also discouraged young ones from getting higher educations because they know an educated person would think critically(not all though) even though.
So to my fellow brothers thinking this is the perfect organization, you still have more to know about this hideous organization.

I cant even ask the elders this questions or prove anything to them as it might cause me to get shunned by my family. The GB requires unquestionable obedience from all its members less you face the consequences.

Dont forget how many people the no blood rule has killed. But now the governing body says receiving some blood components gotten from blood are now okay. Imagine how families that have lost a loved one to the no blood rule would feel. This is the same organization that did not allow vaccines and organ transplant in the past also leading to the death of many.

Less i forget was also the politics the GB played in the Mexican-malawi scandal leading to thousands of death of witnesses in Malawi.

For those willing to research, i would say you look up the organizations history also which would show you that this organization is based on a pagan origin. Because CT Russell was a freemason and he used freemason symbols on early watchtowers.
Jws say birthdays are bad because they are based on pagan worship, but why do they use wedding rings? Dont they know wedding rings originated from paganism. Same with so many occasions they do.
But yet the hypocrisy in this organization is so alarming.
Im tired of writing.

I couldnt butress on all this points. MAKE RESEARCH ON THESE POINTS because they are true.
I actually wished they werent true first time i made my research with my heart beat rapidly beating. Turns out they were true because non refutable evidences were given.

Note- Im presently PIMO(Physically in mentally out) just for the family.


Jwfacts.com
http://beroeans.net

There is just one single thing you missed in all of these! You should know as an intelligent creature that as humans we're not created for isolation so we need trusted and reliable companions or friends with whom to share reasonable thoughts. JW organization has given more than 8,000,000 individuals from different countries throughout the earth that opportunity of having such a global family of like minded believers. So before you can say anything worth considering as in a change of heart for a dedicated member of the organization, you must first have a BETTER group to present as another option! Simply telling someone who finds joy and happiness in association of brotherhood that where he/she belongs is wrong without presenting a better option is tantamount to telling a naked man who keeps himself warm in a little hut to leave the cover only to come out and stay in the open icy cold weather in Norway! Please try to present a better organization or group because that was exactly what Jesus did for Jews whom He said were like herds of skinned sheep without a shepherd! God bless you Sir.

TATIME:
There is just one single thing you missed in all of these! You should know as an intelligent creature that as humans we're not created for isolation so we need trusted and reliable companions or friends with whom to share reasonable thoughts. JW organization has given more than 8,000,000 individuals from different countries throughout the earth that opportunity of having such a global family of like minded believers. So before you can say anything worth considering as in a change of heart for a dedicated member of the organization, you must first have a BETTER group to present as another option! Simply telling someone who finds joy and happiness in association of brotherhood that where he/she belongs is wrong without presenting a better option is tantamount to telling a naked man who keeps himself warm in a little hut to leave the cover only to come out and stay in the open icy cold weather in Norway! Please try to present a better organization or group because that was exactly what Jesus did for Jews whom He said were like herds of skinned sheep without a shepherd! God bless you Sir.

People in jim jones people's temple said the same thing. Only Brainwashed people think like this. Must you belong to a group?
A group that when you leave you get punished for leaving. How is that one group? You call bondage group? Lol

TATIME:
There is just one single thing you missed in all of these! You should know as an intelligent creature that as humans we're not created for isolation so we need trusted and reliable companions or friends with whom to share reasonable thoughts. JW organization has given more than 8,000,000 individuals from different countries throughout the earth that opportunity of having such a global family of like minded believers. So before you can say anything worth considering as in a change of heart for a dedicated member of the organization, you must first have a BETTER group to present as another option! Simply telling someone who finds joy and happiness in association of brotherhood that where he/she belongs is wrong without presenting a better option is tantamount to telling a naked man who keeps himself warm in a little hut to leave the cover only to come out and stay in the open icy cold weather in Norway! Please try to present a better organization or group because that was exactly what Jesus did for Jews whom He said were like herds of skinned sheep without a shepherd! God bless you Sir.

You mentioned trusted friends. So a brother that abuses a young girl in the congregation is also a trusted and loving brother. Or is it the so called loving brother that scams his fellow brother without any form of remorse. Beleive me we JWs are highly hypocritical even though when we get to the KH we put on a loving and beautiful smile. But the actions of some people are even worse than those we call ''Christendom'' or part of the world.
The same Jws can listen to any kind of secular hiphop musics but once it comes to christian musics(Christendom) then they would never sing such even though it serves to praise God and Jesus. They rather sing Olamide and small doctor. Some even use them as ringtones. Isnt that hypocricy?

I'm not here to argue with anyone. But are you saying the organization is the only loving organization in the world? Are you saying one cant be happy without being in the organization?

We try to tell other people about the wrongs or false teachings in their religion and we would be happy or want them to leave their religion to ''The truth'' but according to your logic now one should stay in the organization even if they find some wrongs in the organization because of the so claimed conditional love.

Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the live. Are you saying one cant gain salvation without the organization? Or does that mean those that leave the organization simply because they dont beleive in its teachings anymore would be destroyed?

Concerning the banning of jw activities in Russia. Do you know that Atheists which we refer to as antichrists and the US which is suppose to turn on the Jws are now supporting the Jws against the russian govts. People like VP Pence and Donald trump are now supporting the JWs in Russia.
Isnt that a false prophecy according to the Revelation book?

search4truth:

You mentioned trusted friends. So a brother that abuses a young girl in the congregation is also a trusted and loving brother. Or is it the so called loving brother that scams his fellow brother without any form of remorse. Beleive me we JWs are highly hypocritical even though when we get to the KH we put on a loving and beautiful smile. But the actions of some people are even worse than those we call ''Christendom'' or part of the world.
The same Jws can listen to any kind of secular hiphop musics but once it comes to christian musics(Christendom) then they would never sing such even though it serves to praise God and Jesus. They rather sing Olamide and small doctor. Some even use them as ringtones. Isnt that hypocricy?

I'm not here to argue with anyone. But are you saying the organization is the only loving organization in the world? Are you saying one cant be happy without being in the organization?

We try to tell other people about the wrongs or false teachings in their religion and we would be happy or want them to leave their religion to ''The truth'' but according to your logic now one should stay in the organization even if they find some wrongs in the organization because of the so claimed conditional love.

Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the live. Are you saying one cant gain salvation without the organization? Or does that mean those that leave the organization simply because they dont beleive in its teachings anymore would be destroyed?

Concerning the banning of jw activities in Russia. Do you know that Atheists which we refer to as antichrists and the US which is suppose to turn on the Jws are now supporting the Jws against the russian govts. People like VP Pence and Donald trump are now supporting the JWs in Russia.
Isnt that a false prophecy according to the Revelation book?

You don't know the meaning of what i mean by the word "TRUSTED"! First let me tell you that i'm from a muslim family, most of my family members are Muslims so it's no problem for me to say no to whoever calls himself/herself a Christian. So what exactly made me a JW? When you hear the word TRUSTED it doesn't conveys what most people had in mind as in COMPLETE TRUST because God's word says "do not put your trust in earthling man" Psalms 146:3,4. The trust we're talking here simply means someone who has the heart of trembling at the mention of the divine name,such a person has feelings and shortcomings, pressures from anxiety and fears of other pressing needs. Romans 7:21-25 But they have one common goal with you:they're eagerly waiting for the time when God will put an end to all these wickedness! Remember the wickedness began with just one single act of disobedience in the garden of Eden,leading to selfish interest. God is not going to punish people for wrongdoings but for lack of submission to HIS sovereignty because that is what led to all these! We're imperfect so we can fumble at any time,what God demands from us is acknowledging our sinful condition and willingness to make needed amendments. David was the king in Israel, he was supposed to be a frontier in the battle against the enemies, he however stayed back at home,he knew the law said a soldier mustn't have sex until all other soldiers are back home with their families since they're doing what he supposed to do as a soldier, yet he kept admiring a naked woman from the top of his palace, he called someone else to inquire about the NAKED woman, he decided to sleep with her despite knowing she's another man's wife and that the husband a foreigner fighting for Israel in the battle against those who are his own (Uriah's)people. Yet David had the woman brought to his palace and slept with her,when she sent a message that she's pregnant David not knowing how to abort such pregnancy due to their limited knowledge back then sent for her husband in an effort to get him sleep with the pregnant wife to cover his(David's) adulterous act,the man still obedient to the rules of soldiers refused to go home knowing how subducting his wife could be,David gave him a letter containing his own death sentence and later took the obedient man's wife for himself! After all of these listen to what God called David later in Ezekiel 34:23. There God likens David to Jesus! Please HE does not keep account of injury because to HIM you and i are DEAD as Adam's offsprings(Matthew 8:22) for you to become a living in HIS sight you must forget whatever wrong a fellow worshipper did to you just like Uriah who knew something was fishing yet obeyed till death. I tell you that David and Uriah will be resurrected to exchange pleasantries in God's kingdom because they both trusted God's judgment whereas many demanding JUSTICE now even when Jesus has told us we can't get it will perish forever, why? Because they failed to believe in the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD who told us that believers must forgive fellow believers on all grounds! Matthew 18:21-35 God bless you!

TATIME:
You don't know the meaning of what i mean by the word "TRUSTED"! First let me tell you that i'm from a muslim family, most of my family members are Muslims so it's no problem for me to say no to whoever calls himself/herself a Christian. So what exactly made me a JW? When you hear the word TRUSTED it doesn't conveys what most people had in mind as in COMPLETE TRUST because God's word says "do not put your trust in earthling man" Psalms 146:3,4. The trust we're talking here simply means someone who has the heart of trembling at the mention of the divine name,such a person has feelings and shortcomings, pressures from anxiety and fears of other pressing needs. Romans 7:21-25 But they have one common goal with you:they're eagerly waiting for the time when God will put an end to all these wickedness! Remember the wickedness began with just one single act of disobedience in the garden of Eden,leading to selfish interest. God is not going to punish people for wrongdoings but for lack of submission to HIS sovereignty because that is what led to all these! We're imperfect so we can fumble at any time,what God demands from us is acknowledging our sinful condition and willingness to make needed amendments. David was the king in Israel, he was supposed to be a frontier in the battle against the enemies, he however stayed back at home,he knew the law said a soldier mustn't have sex until all other soldiers are back home with their families since they're doing what he supposed to do as a soldier, yet he kept admiring a naked woman from the top of his palace, he called someone else to inquire about the NAKED woman, he decided to sleep with her despite knowing she's another man's wife and that the husband a foreigner fighting for Israel in the battle against those who are his own (Uriah's)people. Yet David had the woman brought to his palace and slept with her,when she sent a message that she's pregnant David not knowing how to abort such pregnancy due to their limited knowledge back then sent for her husband in an effort to get him sleep with the pregnant wife to cover his(David's) adulterous act,the man still obedient to the rules of soldiers refused to go home knowing how subducting his wife could be,David gave him a letter containing his own death sentence and later took the obedient man's wife for himself! After all of these listen to what God called David later in Ezekiel 34:23. There God likens David to Jesus! Please HE does not keep account of injury because to HIM you and i are DEAD as Adam's offsprings(Matthew 8:22) for you to become a living in HIS sight you must forget whatever wrong a fellow worshipper did to you just like Uriah who knew something was fishing yet obeyed till death. I tell you that David and Uriah will be resurrected to exchange pleasantries in God's kingdom because they both trusted God's judgment whereas many demanding JUSTICE now even when Jesus has told us we can't get it will perish forever, why? Because they failed to believe in the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD who told us that believers must forgive fellow believers on all grounds! Matthew 18:21-35 God bless you!

Yet you have faith and trust in a man made publishing company called watchtower organization and 8 old man in new York who call themselves gb or faithful and discreet slave and say the are the only one true religion. Smh

TATIME:
You don't know the meaning of what i mean by the word "TRUSTED"! First let me tell you that i'm from a muslim family, most of my family members are Muslims so it's no problem for me to say no to whoever calls himself/herself a Christian. So what exactly made me a JW? When you hear the word TRUSTED it doesn't conveys what most people had in mind as in COMPLETE TRUST because God's word says "do not put your trust in earthling man" Psalms 146:3,4. The trust we're talking here simply means someone who has the heart of trembling at the mention of the divine name,such a person has feelings and shortcomings, pressures from anxiety and fears of other pressing needs. Romans 7:21-25 But they have one common goal with you:they're eagerly waiting for the time when God will put an end to all these wickedness! Remember the wickedness began with just one single act of disobedience in the garden of Eden,leading to selfish interest. God is not going to punish people for wrongdoings but for lack of submission to HIS sovereignty because that is what led to all these! We're imperfect so we can fumble at any time,what God demands from us is acknowledging our sinful condition and willingness to make needed amendments. David was the king in Israel, he was supposed to be a frontier in the battle against the enemies, he however stayed back at home,he knew the law said a soldier mustn't have sex until all other soldiers are back home with their families since they're doing what he supposed to do as a soldier, yet he kept admiring a naked woman from the top of his palace, he called someone else to inquire about the NAKED woman, he decided to sleep with her despite knowing she's another man's wife and that the husband a foreigner fighting for Israel in the battle against those who are his own (Uriah's)people. Yet David had the woman brought to his palace and slept with her,when she sent a message that she's pregnant David not knowing how to abort such pregnancy due to their limited knowledge back then sent for her husband in an effort to get him sleep with the pregnant wife to cover his(David's) adulterous act,the man still obedient to the rules of soldiers refused to go home knowing how subducting his wife could be,David gave him a letter containing his own death sentence and later took the obedient man's wife for himself! After all of these listen to what God called David later in Ezekiel 34:23. There God likens David to Jesus! Please HE does not keep account of injury because to HIM you and i are DEAD as Adam's offsprings(Matthew 8:22) for you to become a living in HIS sight you must forget whatever wrong a fellow worshipper did to you just like Uriah who knew something was fishing yet obeyed till death. I tell you that David and Uriah will be resurrected to exchange pleasantries in God's kingdom because they both trusted God's judgment whereas many demanding JUSTICE now even when Jesus has told us we can't get it will perish forever, why? Because they failed to believe in the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD who told us that believers must forgive fellow believers on all grounds! Matthew 18:21-35 God bless you!

Your concluding statement deserves this........

To cut your long story short.......... Is the JW organisation willing and ready to call those it termed "christendom" fellow brothers? Galatians 6:10.

May watchtower study article 2018 has an article captioned "KNOW YOUR ENEMY". Feel free to list the enemies captured in that article. If they were indeed your enemies what should you do to them as prescribed by Jesus?


Your opening statement needs this........

The numerous past truth, present truth, and future truth that turn out to be errors and is misleading people today and has mislead many in the past has the organization acknowledged such mistakes and apologized?

TATIME:
There is just one single thing you missed in all of these! You should know as an intelligent creature that as humans we're not created for isolation so we need trusted and reliable companions or friends with whom to share reasonable thoughts. JW organization has given more than 8,000,000 individuals from different countries throughout the earth that opportunity of having such a global family of like minded believers. So before you can say anything worth considering as in a change of heart for a dedicated member of the organization, you must first have a BETTER group to present as another option! Simply telling someone who finds joy and happiness in association of brotherhood that where he/she belongs is wrong without presenting a better option is tantamount to telling a naked man who keeps himself warm in a little hut to leave the cover only to come out and stay in the open icy cold weather in Norway! Please try to present a better organization or group because that was exactly what Jesus did for Jews whom He said were like herds of skinned sheep without a shepherd! God bless you Sir.

Sir/ma before you can fully understand and comprehend the Op's angle, you need to first detach the name "Jehovah" from the word "Jehovah's Organisation" and from there view the organisation like any other one set up by men and see whether there are any difference or similarity in there.

When someone says he is a member of the Catholic congregation or church as it were, what does such person mean? Let us see how far you understand being in an organisation or better still lead you to a better organisation that you crave.

search4truth:


Cant wait to be fully out. Its soo depressing sitting in those meetings listening to things you dont beleive in anymore or the hypocritical teachings.
Last sundays study talked about separating ones self from the word and politics. But lowkey watchtower was once a member of the UN.
I was fuming in the hall.. couldnt even raise my hands to answer a question cos i knew what most of them sitting in that hall didnt know.

The funny aspect of the that article is many do not think of the term "Governing body" when the article is discussed. When there is a "governing body" automatically you have a "government". When there is "government" "politics" and "politicking" is inevitable. The over 8M Jws out there will never know the kind of politics played out there at the HQ not to talk of the numerous ones played at the congregational level with numerous positions at stake for the "Elders" to greed and fight over.

achorladey:


The funny aspect of the that article is many do not think of the term "Governing body" when the article is discussed. When there is a "governing body" automatically you have a "government". When there is "government" "politics" and "politicking" is inevitable. The over 8M Jws out there will never know the kind of politics played out there at the HQ not to talk of the numerous ones played at the congregational level with numerous positions at stake for the "Elders" to greed and fight over.

This is the reason why dedicated ones in the organization strongly believes in what the organization calls persons like you "Apostates". If you're not in agreement with the terms and conditions of the organization why not just walk away and forget about all their hullabaloos? They claims to be the ONE and ONLY organization worshiping their God,i from a Muslim background heard what they've got to say and agreed with them to worship with them,you heard exactly the same thing and disagreed with them but instead of WALKING AWAY like Craig Davis you kept following all their programs only to say what they're claiming is false. Haba my comment is simple and straight forward,there are persons who loves ASSOCIATION and they're ever ready to give it all it takes to belong to a well established one so such individuals will never buy your idea unless you present a BETTER organization or group to them otherwise you're just an enemy of progress to them. For your information, i was a Muslim before quitting the religion for JWs and since i've said goodbye to Islam i don't follow or listen to whatever programs they've got anymore because i strongly believe now that it's all based on falsehood. I can only have a heart to heart discussion with someone who feels like asking me to know why i left, it's thoughtless of me going about talking over what i've discovered is rubbish i'll rather help others to know about my NEWLY found faith. So that is what i'm asking the owner of the thread "have you found a BETTER group or organization than JW?" Because if not then a dedicated JW will just see you as one of those noisemakers who has NOTHING to offer than pointless talks.

TATIME:
This is the reason why dedicated ones in the organization strongly believes in what the organization calls persons like you "Apostates". If you're not in agreement with the terms and conditions of the organization why not just walk away and forget about all their hullabaloos? They claims to be the ONE and ONLY organization worshiping their God,i from a Muslim background heard what they've got to say and agreed with them to worship with them,you heard exactly the same thing and disagreed with them but instead of WALKING AWAY like Craig Davis you kept following all their programs only to say what they're claiming is false. Haba my comment is simple and straight forward,there are persons who loves ASSOCIATION and they're ever ready to give it all it takes to belong to a well established one so such individuals will never buy your idea unless you present a BETTER organization or group to them otherwise you're just an enemy of progress to them. For your information, i was a Muslim before quitting the religion for JWs and since i've said goodbye to Islam i don't follow or listen to whatever programs they've got anymore because i strongly believe now that it's all based on falsehood. I can only have a heart to heart discussion with someone who feels like asking me to know why i left, it's thoughtless of me going about talking over what i've discovered is rubbish i'll rather help others to know about my NEWLY found faith. So that is what i'm asking the owner of the thread "have you found a BETTER group or organization than JW?" Because if not then a dedicated JW will just see you as one of those noisemakers who has NOTHING to offer than pointless talks.

This is the reason why dedicated ones in the other religious organization strongly believes in what their organization calls persons like you "false Christians". If you're not in agreement with the terms and conditions of their organization why not just walk away and forget about all their hullabaloos?

They CLAIMS to be the ONE and ONLY organization worshiping their God,(just like other religious organisations and denominations CLAIM to be.) Special attention to CLAIM!!!!.

Tatime:I am from a Muslim background

Achorladey: just like many Jws today

Tatime: but have heard what they've got to say and agreed with them to worship with Them

Achorladey: same as what many Jws are doing

Tatime: you heard exactly the same thing and disagreed with them but instead of WALKING AWAY like Craig Davis you kept following all their programs only to say what they're claiming is false.

Achorladey: many Jws are not walking away you know why? simply because because part of the knowledge you were taught before you become a member is to tell you that christendom is a sinking ship and that you need to continually track that sinking ship in order to raise the glory of Jehovah's organisations as being the only holy mountain of God raised high during the last days.

Tatime: Haba my comment is simple and straight forward,there are persons who loves ASSOCIATION

Achorladey: just like every individual in other religious denominations and organisation and they're ever ready to give it all it takes to belong to a well established one.

Tatime: So such individuals will never buy your idea unless you present a BETTER organization or group to them otherwise you're just an enemy of progress to them.

Achorladey: This constitute why some of the people you preached to out there do not want to become a JW simply because the organisation you represent they don't see it as being better. But do you view their stance that way?


Achorladey: It would suit you well if you had answered the questions posted earlier on, that will determine how well we can fit you in a better organisation that you crave.

My final words still applies to your conclusion.

achorladey:


This is the reason why dedicated ones in the other religious organization strongly believes in what their organization calls persons like you "false Christians". If you're not in agreement with the terms and conditions of their organization why not just walk away and forget about all their hullabaloos? They claims to be the ONE and ONLY organization worshiping their God, I am not from a Muslim background just like many Jws today but have heard what they've got to say and agreed with them to worship with them same as what many Jws are doing you heard exactly the same thing and disagreed with them but instead of WALKING AWAY like Craig Davis you kept following all their programs only to say what they're claiming is false. Same applies to the Jws refusing to walk away from the those they tagged "christendom". Haba my comment is simple and straight forward,there are persons who loves ASSOCIATION(just like every individual in other religious denominations and organisation) and they're ever ready to give it all it takes to belong to a well established one.

So such individuals will never buy your idea unless you present a BETTER organization or group to them otherwise you're just an enemy of progress to them. (It would suit you well if you had answered the questions posted earlier on, that will determine how well we can fit you in a better organisation that you crave).

My final words still applies to your conclusion.

You have UNKNOWINGLY given me a PARTIAL answered to that which i crave! I'm i seeing correctly? You just said (it would suit you well if you had answered the question posted earlier on,that will determine how well "WE" can fit you in a better organization that you crave) Please! Please!! Please!!! My good friend, what organization is it that you're in as you said "WE" because i'm sure that implies two or more individuals. So what organization is it that the (WE)belongs? Let's start from there.

TATIME:
You have UNKNOWINGLY given me a PARTIAL answered to that which i crave! I'm i seeing correctly? You just said (it would suit you well if you had answered the question posted earlier on,that will determine how well "WE" can fit you in a better organization that you crave) Please! Please!! Please!!! My good friend, what organization is it that you're in as you said "WE" because i'm sure that implies two or more individuals. So what organization is it that the (WE)belongs? Let's start from there.

Yes "we" oooooooo and am not shying away from that use of "we". Now go back to the post and answer the question.

TATIME:
You don't know the meaning of what i mean by the word "TRUSTED"! First let me tell you that i'm from a muslim family, most of my family members are Muslims so it's no problem for me to say no to whoever calls himself/herself a Christian. So what exactly made me a JW? When you hear the word TRUSTED it doesn't conveys what most people had in mind as in COMPLETE TRUST because God's word says "do not put your trust in earthling man" Psalms 146:3,4. The trust we're talking here simply means someone who has the heart of trembling at the mention of the divine name,such a person has feelings and shortcomings, pressures from anxiety and fears of other pressing needs. Romans 7:21-25 But they have one common goal with you:they're eagerly waiting for the time when God will put an end to all these wickedness! Remember the wickedness began with just one single act of disobedience in the garden of Eden,leading to selfish interest. God is not going to punish people for wrongdoings but for lack of submission to HIS sovereignty because that is what led to all these! We're imperfect so we can fumble at any time,what God demands from us is acknowledging our sinful condition and willingness to make needed amendments. David was the king in Israel, he was supposed to be a frontier in the battle against the enemies, he however stayed back at home,he knew the law said a soldier mustn't have sex until all other soldiers are back home with their families since they're doing what he supposed to do as a soldier, yet he kept admiring a naked woman from the top of his palace, he called someone else to inquire about the NAKED woman, he decided to sleep with her despite knowing she's another man's wife and that the husband a foreigner fighting for Israel in the battle against those who are his own (Uriah's)people. Yet David had the woman brought to his palace and slept with her,when she sent a message that she's pregnant David not knowing how to abort such pregnancy due to their limited knowledge back then sent for her husband in an effort to get him sleep with the pregnant wife to cover his(David's) adulterous act,the man still obedient to the rules of soldiers refused to go home knowing how subducting his wife could be,David gave him a letter containing his own death sentence and later took the obedient man's wife for himself! After all of these listen to what God called David later in Ezekiel 34:23. There God likens David to Jesus! Please HE does not keep account of injury because to HIM you and i are DEAD as Adam's offsprings(Matthew 8:22) for you to become a living in HIS sight you must forget whatever wrong a fellow worshipper did to you just like Uriah who knew something was fishing yet obeyed till death. I tell you that David and Uriah will be resurrected to exchange pleasantries in God's kingdom because they both trusted God's judgment whereas many demanding JUSTICE now even when Jesus has told us we can't get it will perish forever, why? Because they failed to believe in the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD who told us that believers must forgive fellow believers on all grounds! Matthew 18:21-35 God bless you!

I'm glad you quoted Psalms 146:3. Does that also apply to the earthly GB? Especially since they've always changed their doctrines and never admitted the old doctrine was wrong but keep using the word new light. Do you know what God said about prophets that speak words that he did not command them to speak? Deut 18: 20-22

''If any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” 22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.’'

The GB claims to be inspires by the holy spirit and they are Gods only channel in this word. But there have been so many false prophecies about the end of the world from them. Can the holy spirit of God inspire someone with wrong words? The bible says Gods word never change. Do you beleive that bible verse applies to the GB?



So in one word you agree that brothers wrongdoings should be covered up in the congregation? Amazing!!

Elders can cover child rape cases but will not hesitate to disfellowship a girl for sleeping over at a mans house without any evidence of them having sex. Isn't that amazing?
So the organization covers child abuse cases just to keep the organizations name clean. But they can say all sort about the catholics or other religions concerning all what happens in their churches.

Do you remember the bible told us to subject or rather obey the authorities(government) 1 Peter 2:13-25.
Isn't the organization disobeying bible instructions then bu covering up child abuse cases in the congregation.
Concerning forgiveness i know we are all imperfect and that there are bad eggs amongst good eggs. Its not wrong to forgive anybody.
But atleast the organization should do the appropriate thing by reporting the case to the authorities whether the victim has forgiven the offender or not. The organization is just trying to save face. They try as much to hide every bad things happening in the organization to make them look good and draw in more members.
The ARC video where a GB lied under oath was not uploaded on the jw website. Don't you see they try as much to hide things.
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But if the child abuser is not a Jw. Then the brother can report to the authorities right?. The brothers can easily report an outsider to the officials but are adviced to leave things to Jehovah when an insider commits a very terrible crime.
Wheres the love?
Do you know most people are threatened by the elders if they choose to report to the authorities. Yes they can be reproved for doing that.

What's your opinion about the GB involvement with the UN from 1991-2001?

Peace be with you sir

achorladey:

Achorladey: This constitute why some of the people you preached to out there do not want to become a JW simply because the organisation you represent they don't see it as being better. But do you view their stance that way?

APOSTASY is a deadly virus walahi! We go to people's homes to present what we've got as better options in exchange for their believes because we're sure of what we've brought to them. So if any of them says he/she don't want it that implies that our thoughts and their thoughts doesn't go together, therefore we know that if Jehovah is on their side then we're doomed and if Jehovah is on our side then they're doomed, there is nothing like the third road it's just TWO that Jesus mentioned. When Jehovah was protecting the Israelites, HE warned them that if they abandon HIS covenant their enemies will slaughter them and that's exactly what happened. Whenever evil befall Israel they know that it's because Jehovah is no more on their side,So Jehovah's witnesses today are well aware that if we're not doing things right then someone somewhere is doing the right thing,that's why a dedicated servant of Jehovah will simply ask you "where are those worshiping Jehovah?" Because it was written that HE is a JEALOUS GOD so HE won't accept all forms of worship. Therefore our interest is in the ONE and ONLY worship that's having HIS approval, if you say it's not the watchtower fine so show us that ONE that we may leave the watchtower and go there to worship the ONE and ONLY true God!

achorladey:


The funny aspect of the that article is many do not think of the term "Governing body" when the article is discussed. When there is a "governing body" automatically you have a "government". When there is "government" "politics" and "politicking" is inevitable. The over 8M Jws out there will never know the kind of politics played out there at the HQ not to talk of the numerous ones played at the congregational level with numerous positions at stake for the "Elders" to greed and fight over.

I agree with you on this.
I saw videos of how the organization sent some people that have been serving in bethel for years without even notifying them earlier. With most of them having no jobs or degrees to fall back to.
The governing body encourages us not to seriously chase material things but fully be in active service to Jehovah(the org). Even going as far as advicing people to quit their jobs to serve Jehovah.
But GB member steven lett at a broadcast show was seen wearing an expensive rolex watch estimated to be over $15,000 and other jewelries.
Its sad so many people especially we Afticans in the organization have been terribly brainwashed and its gonna take something big to happen before most of them can be awake.

search4truth:

I'm glad you quoted Psalms 146:3. Does that also apply to the earthly GB? Especially since they've always changed their doctrines and never admitted the old doctrine was wrong but keep using the word new light. Do you know what God said about prophets that speak words that he did not command them to speak? Deut 18: 20-22

''If any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” 22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.’'

The GB claims to be inspires by the holy spirit and they are Gods only channel in this word. But there have been so many false prophecies about the end of the world from them. Can the holy spirit of God inspire someone with wrong words? The bible says Gods word never change. Do you beleive that bible verse applies to the GB?



So in one word you agree that brothers wrongdoings should be covered up in the congregation? Amazing!!

Elders can cover child rape cases but will not hesitate to disfellowship a girl for sleeping over at a mans house without any evidence of them having sex. Isn't that amazing?
So the organization covers child abuse cases just to keep the organizations name clean. But they can say all sort about the catholics or other religions concerning all what happens in their churches.

Do you remember the bible told us to subject or rather obey the authorities(government) 1 Peter 2:13-25.
Isn't the organization disobeying bible instructions then bu covering up child abuse cases in the congregation.
Concerning forgiveness i know we are all imperfect and that there are bad eggs amongst good eggs. Its not wrong to forgive anybody.
But atleast the organization should do the appropriate thing by reporting the case to the authorities whether the victim has forgiven the offender or not. The organization is just trying to save face. They try as much to hide every bad things happening in the organization to make them look good and draw in more members.
The ARC video where a GB lied under oath was not uploaded on the jw website. Don't you see they try as much to hide things.
Most

But if the child abuser is not a Jw. Then the brother can report to the authorities right?. The brothers can easily report an outsider to the officials but are adviced to leave things to Jehovah when an insider commits a very terrible crime.
Wheres the love?
Do you know most people are threatened by the elders if they choose to report to the authorities. Yes they can be reproved for doing that.

What's your opinion about the GB involvement with the UN from 1991-2001?

Peace be with you sir

You have asked so many questions in just one single post but i'll attend two perhaps later we can treat the others. First let me assure you that Jehovah has never used a perfect person to lead HIS people before, all those who lead the organization right from the time of Noah till date are imperfect humans. When they make mistakes in organizational directions or doctrinal issues God remains silent but punishes whoever raises a tongue against them. An example is the first century Christian congregation, Jesus taught them that they shouldn't concentrate on solving the problems caused by poverty because "they'll always have poor ones amongst them" John 12:8 compared to Deuteronomy 15:11 But these INSPIRED and SPIRIT ANOINTED Apostles committed a grievous blunder by trying to strike a balance between the rich and the poor Christians! They just don't want poverty to continue been a problem for their beloved fellow believers. Of course God never stopped them rather they learnt their lesson the bitter way as a Christian couple died in the process and that was the end of that arrangement! They stopped it immediately. Please were they not INSPIRED? Were they not SPIRIT FILLED? Why are you still reading what they wrote or considering it as inspired up till today? Again is Peter. Jesus pointedly said whatever Peter binds on earth will be bound in heaven,Peter allowed Satan to use him(Matthew 16:22,23) he denied Jesus three times(Luke 22:61) he striked someone with sword after all that Jesus taught them about been harmless ( John 18:10,11)he spread a rumor that Apostle John will never die(John 21:20-23) after baptism by the spirit Peter misled Jewish Christians into conforming to old Jewish customs (Galatians 2:11-14) Upon all of these Jesus' words to Peter remains "whatever you bind on earth will be bind in heaven" Matthew 16:15-19 So do you think whoever speaks a word against Peter or the team of Apostles simply because they erred will be awarded or rewarded right? Numbers 12:1-16 Secondly do you remember that a dedicated JW believes he/she must love his/her fellow believer just as Jesus loves them and not as he loves himself/herself! John 13:34,35 Meaning a JW must be willing to DIE for his/her Christian brother or sister,then if that is the case why are you so surprised that these people claiming TRUE Christians are told NEVER to report their fellow believer to the authorities? Well for your information, the Jewish high court in the first century declared Jesus wanted and you'll remember the name and what happened to the Apostle who helped these men in AUTHORITY to catch Jesus! Believers will always remain believers it doesn't matter what you think or say about them,so my friend if the authorities say "report offenders to us" and i'm ready to die like Jesus did for my fellow Christian brother or sister who is not even confirmed as a criminal but just a SUSPECT think of whom to liken me Judas Iscariot who handed "suspected Jesus" to the Jewish Authorities or Jesus who died to save His brothers in the faith! Matthew 12:48 compared to John 13:34,35 18:8,9 God bless you!

TATIME:
APOSTASY is a deadly virus walahi! We go to people's homes to present what we've got as better options in exchange for their believes because we're sure of what we've brought to them. So if any of them says he/she don't want it that implies that our thoughts and their thoughts doesn't go together, therefore we know that if Jehovah is on their side then we're doomed and if Jehovah is on our side then they're doomed, there is nothing like the third road it's just TWO that Jesus mentioned. When Jehovah was protecting the Israelites, HE warned them that if they abandon HIS covenant their enemies will slaughter them and that's exactly what happened. Whenever evil befall Israel they know that it's because Jehovah is no more on their side,So Jehovah's witnesses today are well aware that if we're not doing things right then someone somewhere is doing the right thing,that's why a dedicated servant of Jehovah will simply ask you "where are those worshiping Jehovah?" Because it was written that HE is a JEALOUS GOD so HE won't accept all forms of worship. Therefore our interest is in the ONE and ONLY worship that's having HIS approval, if you say it's not the watchtower fine so show us that ONE that we may leave the watchtower and go there to worship the ONE and ONLY true God!

TATIME: APOSTASY is a deadly virus walahi!

Achorladey: That is if you really understand the meaning of apostasy. I know you fully armed with the Jws organization definition of the word "apostasy". FOOD FOR THOUGHT.....Which among these is more of an apostate? Samaritans/the Pharisees and Sadducees/ the Jewish religious leaders/Jesus Christ/the disciples/apostle Paul.

TATIME: We go to people's homes to present what we've got as better options in exchange for their believes because we're sure of what we've brought to them.

Achorladey: Governing body in HQ says otherwise for more information on that please consult Watchtower study article February 2017 fourth study article paragraph 12

TATIME:So if any of them says he/she don't want it that implies that our thoughts and their thoughts doesn't go together, therefore we know that if Jehovah is on their side then we're doomed and if Jehovah is on our side then they're doomed, there is nothing like the third road it's just TWO that Jesus mentioned.

Achorladey: I will be glad if your thoughts will remain this way but reality of what the organization teaches says otherwise. May 2018 watchtower study edition 3rd study article impresses you to see them as your enemy when your thoughts don't align with theirs. FOOD FOR THOUGHT......... Is Jesus one of the two roads or its Jehovah's Organization?


TATIME:When Jehovah was protecting the Israelites, HE warned them that if they abandon HIS covenant their enemies will slaughter them and that's exactly what happened. Whenever evil befall Israel they know that it's because Jehovah is no more on their side,So Jehovah's witnesses today are well aware that if we're not doing things right then someone somewhere is doing the right thing,that's why a dedicated servant of Jehovah will simply ask you "where are those worshiping Jehovah?"

Achorladey: When Jesus was preaching in John 6 and his followers were shocked at some of his sayings they deserted Jesus Christ. When Jesus turned and asked Peter are they not deserting as well? Peter did not ask...."where are those worshipping Jehovah?" He said rather......whom shall we go away to? and not where.

TATIME: Because it was written that HE is a JEALOUS GOD so HE won't accept all forms of worship. Therefore our interest is in the ONE and ONLY worship that's having HIS approval, if you say it's not the watchtower fine so show us that ONE that we may leave the watchtower and go there to worship the ONE and ONLY true God!

Achorladey: Yes, Jehovah is a jealous God and his son said if you are to worship this the ONE and ONLY Jealous God you do so in spirit and truth. Jesus did not say in spirit and (present truth that will become past truth) or (present understanding that will become past understanding) or (new light that will become old light).

FOOD FOR THOUGHT....... What is the truth? is it Jesus himself or the the truth branded about in 20/21 century Jehovah's organization as channelled through the Governing body.

search4truth:
I had to create a new moniker for this.

I think so many people are waking up in the organization. I myself just woke up too. Those defending the JWs and the organization with their soul, i was like that also. I think you should keep in your mind psalms 146:3. We shouldnt put our trust in princes nor any man who cant bring salvation. The organization has a lot of doctrines that have been changed consitently which they refer to as new light. If the GB claims to be inspired by the holyspirit then their doctrines shouldnt change because the bible says Gods word does not change. The one that got me was the watchtowers membership with the united nations. The watchtower definitely had no excuse for that because theyve consistently referred to the UN as babylon the great. Besides that, the elders have a secret book(Sheperd the flock of God book). According to the book, elders can coverup their own sins and still be elders in the congregation, the two witness rule in child rape cases and more.

The governing body takes bible passages out of context for their own selfish reasons.

Besides, a governing body member actually lied inder oath at the ARC(Australian royal commision) concerning the child rape cases.

Also the disfellowshipping rule is non-biblical and very inhumane. Which shows that the Jws love is conditional. They would all shun you immediately you dissasociate or when youre disfellowshipped.
This has broken so many families and even led some to commiting suicide.

Not only is the watchtower associated with the UN but also with the OSCE which is affliated with the UN.


That is why the governing body keeps telling the members that they should not lookup any other site apart from jw.org

They have also discouraged young ones from getting higher educations because they know an educated person would think critically(not all though) even though.
So to my fellow brothers thinking this is the perfect organization, you still have more to know about this hideous organization.

I cant even ask the elders this questions or prove anything to them as it might cause me to get shunned by my family. The GB requires unquestionable obedience from all its members less you face the consequences.

Dont forget how many people the no blood rule has killed. But now the governing body says receiving some blood components gotten from blood are now okay. Imagine how families that have lost a loved one to the no blood rule would feel. This is the same organization that did not allow vaccines and organ transplant in the past also leading to the death of many.

Less i forget was also the politics the GB played in the Mexican-malawi scandal leading to thousands of death of witnesses in Malawi.

For those willing to research, i would say you look up the organizations history also which would show you that this organization is based on a pagan origin. Because CT Russell was a freemason and he used freemason symbols on early watchtowers.
Jws say birthdays are bad because they are based on pagan worship, but why do they use wedding rings? Dont they know wedding rings originated from paganism. Same with so many occasions they do.
But yet the hypocrisy in this organization is so alarming.
Im tired of writing.

I couldnt butress on all this points. MAKE RESEARCH ON THESE POINTS because they are true.
I actually wished they werent true first time i made my research with my heart beat rapidly beating. Turns out they were true because non refutable evidences were given.

Note- Im presently PIMO(Physically in mentally out) just for the family.


Jwfacts.com
http://beroeans.net

What U put up here is not about "waking up" ,(whatever that means), but your hatred & malicious. bitterness for Jehovah's people is your motivation for this half truths & lies U pasted here.

Evil seeds of Korah. "Physically in mentally out just for the family." That's the trait of a coward. (Na who U think say U wan deceive?) In your delusion, Moses was leading a cult because the Isrealites couldnt think for themselves. Hence, Korah & others, "They rose up against Moses" Numbers 16:1-50.


In your evil heart, Jesus too lead a cult because he taught his followers to copy his example & "eat the flesh of the son of man & drink his blood.... because of this many of his disciples went off" John 6:41-71.
Keep deceiving yourselves.


Because Jesus ate with sinners, he gave Judas Iscariot a warm hug & patted him on the back for a job well done.

In the past & to this day,Jehovah's organization has no place for rebels, slanderers & crooked people who put up pretences.


Jehovah saved only Noah & his family during the great deluge.
Jehovah God is not fascinated by large numbers.

Evil seeds of Korah, oya scram & get lost !!

TATIME:
You have asked so many questions in just one single post but i'll attend two perhaps later we can treat the others. First let me assure you that Jehovah has never used a perfect person to lead HIS people before, all those who lead the organization right from the time of Noah till date are imperfect humans. When they make mistakes in organizational directions or doctrinal issues God remains silent but punishes whoever raises a tongue against them. An example is the first century Christian congregation, Jesus taught them that they shouldn't concentrate on solving the problems caused by poverty because "they'll always have poor ones amongst them" John 12:8 compared to Deuteronomy 15:11 But these INSPIRED and SPIRIT ANOINTED Apostles committed a grievous blunder by trying to strike a balance between the rich and the poor Christians! They just don't want poverty to continue been a problem for their beloved fellow believers. Of course God never stopped them rather they learnt their lesson the bitter way as a Christian couple died in the process and that was the end of that arrangement! They stopped it immediately. Please were they not INSPIRED? Were they not SPIRIT FILLED? Why are you still reading what they wrote or considering it as inspired up till today? Again is Peter. Jesus pointedly said whatever Peter binds on earth will be bound in heaven,Peter allowed Satan to use him(Matthew 16:22,23) he denied Jesus three times(Luke 22:61) he striked someone with sword after all that Jesus taught them about been harmless ( John 18:10,11)he spread a rumor that Apostle John will never die(John 21:20-23) after baptism by the spirit Peter misled Jewish Christians into conforming to old Jewish customs (Galatians 2:11-14) Upon all of these Jesus' words to Peter remains "whatever you bind on earth will be bind in heaven" Matthew 16:15-19 So do you think whoever speaks a word against Peter or the team of Apostles simply because they erred will be awarded or rewarded right? Numbers 12:1-16 Secondly do you remember that a dedicated JW believes he/she must love his/her fellow believer just as Jesus loves them and not as he loves himself/herself! John 13:34,35 Meaning a JW must be willing to DIE for his/her Christian brother or sister,then if that is the case why are you so surprised that these people claiming TRUE Christians are told NEVER to report their fellow believer to the authorities? Well for your information, the Jewish high court in the first century declared Jesus wanted and you'll remember the name and what happened to the Apostle who helped these men in AUTHORITY to catch Jesus! Believers will always remain believers it doesn't matter what you think or say about them,so my friend if the authorities say "report offenders to us" and i'm ready to die like Jesus did for my fellow Christian brother or sister who is not even confirmed as a criminal but just a SUSPECT think of whom to liken me Judas Iscariot who handed "suspected Jesus" to the Jewish Authorities or Jesus who died to save His brothers in the faith! Matthew 12:48 compared to John 13:34,35 18:8,9 God bless you!

I'm glad you said those apostles were anointed which no one can doubt that. God also spoke to Noah no doubt. So speaking against those that you mentioned was bad why? because they were ''ANOINTED'' by God. We have evidence in the bible to prove all that.

Is the Governing Body the Faithful and Discreet Slave as they claim to be and if they are, what power or responsibility does that convey to them?

Taking a look at the account of Jesus’ parable of the faithful slave found at Luke 12:41-48. There were four slaves. One that turns out to be faithful, one that turns out to be evil by lording his power over the flock, a third that gets beaten many times for willfully ignoring the Lord’s commands, and a fourth that gets beaten also, but with fewer lashes because his disobedience was due to ignorance—wilful or otherwise, it does not say.

Notice that the four slaves are not identified before the Lord returns. At this present time, we cannot say who is the slave who will get beaten with many strokes or with few.

The evil slave declares himself to be the one true slave before the return of Jesus but ends up beating the Lord’s servants and indulging himself. He gets the harshest judgment.

The faithful slave does not bear witness about himself, but waits for the Lord Jesus to return to find him “doing just so”. (John 5:31)
As for the third and fourth slave, would Jesus blame them for disobeying if he had laid a command on them to obey without question some group of men he’d set up to govern them? Hardly.


Is there any evidence Jesus commissioned a group of men to govern or rule his flock? The parable speaks of feeding not governing. David Splane of the Governing Body compared the faithful slave to waiters who bring you food. A waiter doesn’t tell you what to eat and when to eat it. If you don’t like the food, a waiter doesn’t force you to eat it. And a waiter doesn’t prepare the food. The food in this case comes from God’s word. It does not come from men.

How could the two final slaves be given strokes for disobedience if they were not given the means to determine what was the Lord’s will for them. Obviously, they have the means, for we all have the same word of God at our fingertips. We only have to read it.

In Acts, the apostles courageously said, “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” Does the GB believe that? No. If an elder were to make such a statement or use that as a defense for not believing or following anything from the GB, they would be removed or DF’d for daring to defy the organization.”

OneJ:


What U put up here is not about "waking up" ,(whatever that means), but your hatred & malicious. bitterness for Jehovah's people is your motivation for this half truths & lies U pasted here.

Evil seeds of Korah. "Physically in mentally out just for the family." That's the trait of a coward. (Na who U think say U wan deceive?) In your delusion, Moses was leading a cult because the Isrealites couldnt think for themselves. Hence, Korah & others, "They rose up against Moses" Numbers 16:1-50.


In your evil heart, Jesus too lead a cult because he taught his followers to copy his example & "eat the flesh of the son of man & drink his blood.... because of this many of his disciples went off" John 6:41-71.
Keep deceiving yourselves.


Because Jesus ate with sinners, he gave Judas Iscariot a warm hug & patted him on the back for a job well done.

In the past & to this day,Jehovah's organization has no place for rebels, slanderers & crooked people who put up pretences.


Jehovah saved only Noah & his family during the great deluge.
Jehovah God is not fascinated by large numbers.

Evil seeds of Korah, oya scram & get lost !!

Well, thats that coignitive dissonance in you speaking. I wouldn't expect better.
You have no evidence to prove those claims up there are false. You advice others(Christendom) to research their religion But you're so scared to research yours. If you're so sure you have the truth why are you so scared of researching those claims.''

Do you know the bible admonished us to examine our religion?
1 John 4:1 - 
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."
But the organization says its wrong to resaerch other websites except Jw.org. Or even listen to other Christians point of view.


"Jehovah God is not fascinated by large numbers."
Wow! Go check out the "there are many more with us than against us" banner your organization just made.(I can show you proof if you want)
Isn't it meant to be the opposite according to your statement? Lol

Peace bro

Jws have been dealing with rebels more than 100 years ago. Organisation is still moving ahead. Most people who have stopped associating with jws do that for several reasons. out of curiorisity I have read books,articles written by former jws to discredit jws. I can tell you many of them are looking for personal glory which you will never get as a jw. member of gb was once disfellowshipped and nothing happened.

search4truth:


I'm glad you said those apostles were anointed which no one can doubt that. God also spoke to Noah no doubt. So speaking against those that you mentioned was bad why? because they were ''ANOINTED'' by God. We have evidence in the bible to prove all that.

Is the Governing Body the Faithful and Discreet Slave as they claim to be and if they are, what power or responsibility does that convey to them?

Taking a look at the account of Jesus’ parable of the faithful slave found at Luke 12:41-48. There were four slaves. One that turns out to be faithful, one that turns out to be evil by lording his power over the flock, a third that gets beaten many times for willfully ignoring the Lord’s commands, and a fourth that gets beaten also, but with fewer lashes because his disobedience was due to ignorance—wilful or otherwise, it does not say.

Notice that the four slaves are not identified before the Lord returns. At this present time, we cannot say who is the slave who will get beaten with many strokes or with few.

The evil slave declares himself to be the one true slave before the return of Jesus but ends up beating the Lord’s servants and indulging himself. He gets the harshest judgment.

The faithful slave does not bear witness about himself, but waits for the Lord Jesus to return to find him “doing just so”. (John 5:31)
As for the third and fourth slave, would Jesus blame them for disobeying if he had laid a command on them to obey without question some group of men he’d set up to govern them? Hardly.


Is there any evidence Jesus commissioned a group of men to govern or rule his flock? The parable speaks of feeding not governing. David Splane of the Governing Body compared the faithful slave to waiters who bring you food. A waiter doesn’t tell you what to eat and when to eat it. If you don’t like the food, a waiter doesn’t force you to eat it. And a waiter doesn’t prepare the food. The food in this case comes from God’s word. It does not come from men.

How could the two final slaves be given strokes for disobedience if they were not given the means to determine what was the Lord’s will for them. Obviously, they have the means, for we all have the same word of God at our fingertips. We only have to read it.

In Acts, the apostles courageously said, “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” Does the GB believe that? No. If an elder were to make such a statement or use that as a defense for not believing or following anything from the GB, they would be removed or DF’d for daring to defy the organization.”

Thank God you agreed that even those who were SPIRIT FILLED and ANOINTED made serious mistakes and some of Jesus' disciples defied them! Everyone today will say "i agreed that those first century Apostles were anointed" but is it not after they are gone and you're now reading about them in the Bible that you agreed? What about most of their contemporaries who decided to turn their backs on the Apostles? What do you think made such first century Christians to turn their backs on the Apostles? Could it have been due to the OBVIOUS frequent mistakes made by this first century Apostles that triggered such disobedience? I'm asking all these questions because it was also recorded that many of those who followed Jesus while He was still on earth later turned their backs on the Apostles and don't forget that Jesus said whatever those imperfect 12 bind or loosen on earth will also be bind or loosened in heaven! Moreover it's evident that Jesus' statement in Matthew 16:18-20 was not heard by everyone EXCEPT those 12. So do you think a Christian who wasn't present to hear Jesus utter such speech of authorization would continue following those imperfect 12 after noticing their mistakes? God bless you!