search4truth:

I'm not suprised you would say satan is using me because I'm trying to point out some flaws in a religion that claims to be the truth and that won't hesitate to criticize other religions.

Should i say satan uses you guys too when you make derogatory statements about christians outside the organization that feel some of their teachings are right even if they are not.

At least those Christians you guys refer to christendom welcome other people's view concerning the bible but you guys feel you're perfect and have the truth so you refuse to accept people's opinion. Same way you refuse to read anyother christian literatures but the so called christendom openly welcome you guys when you go preaching to them and they even collect and read your literatures.

That's why people that know about the witnesses refuse listening or collecting their magazines because they know the witnesse won't even collect theirs talkless reading it.(Put yourself in their shoes- would you collect the witnesses literature knowing they won't ever accept yours?)
Does that sound like what a real Christians should do?

No matter how we brong out errors in the organizations doctrine, i know you're going to find an excuse or just look for a way around the discussion.
You need to be open minded brother TATIME. Life doesn't revolve around the JWs alone
Peace bro

TATIME:
My question to all of you is still the same "Are you saying as a JW a person won't see God's kingdom, and if so which religious group are we to associate with as Christians" simple and straightforward.

achorladey:


I feel the main aim of the thread is still out there for all to see and the findings reached so far are staring us all in the eyes.

No need to respond to your latest question, you know why? I have been wondering what it would be like for you to call an HOUSEHOLDER a GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOT out there in the field service and see the regret you live to tell.

Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God. In due time He will exalt anyone who deserve such. Dont make claims that you cannot prove.

TATIME:
Jesus never agreed with the Pharisees as BROTHERS in the faith because they're always against His ways of teaching and exposing the falsehood in their long time tradition. So if we're not in agreement regarding sacred matters that means one party is for God and the other party is of the Devil,there is no third party. John 8:44 I'll prefer if you say i'm of the Devil than keep calling me brother when you're totally opposed to my believes. Jesus is strictly emphatic about been HOT or COLD. So if you believe my religion ia false then why referring to me as brother? Jesus' followers ONLY agrees to call TRUE Christians as BROTHERS not those who are opposing THEIR faith! Revelations 3:14-17

TATIME:
Jesus never agreed with the Pharisees as BROTHERS in the faith because they're always against His ways of teaching and exposing the falsehood in their long time tradition. So if we're not in agreement regarding sacred matters that means one party is for God and the other party is of the Devil,there is no third party. John 8:44 I'll prefer if you say i'm of the Devil than keep calling me brother when you're totally opposed to my believes. Jesus is strictly emphatic about been HOT or COLD. So if you believe my religion ia false then why referring to me as brother? Jesus' followers ONLY agrees to call TRUE Christians as BROTHERS not those who are opposing THEIR faith! Revelations 3:14-17

LifestyleTonite:
On one hand, you say Daniel and David were worshiped. On the other, you say it is only God that should be worship. Doesn't that mean that those people who accepted worship have sinned against God?

Jesus said all that the father has are mine. The angels and Humans who worship God are his, therefore he deserves worship. Moreover, God even commanded the angels to worship him. The elders in heaven worshiped him.

search4truth:

You're funny bro. No one ever said that here. And it won't be fair on Gods part to destroy the JWs based on the false doctrines because its not their fault but the fault of the leaders. Because the leaders has made so many JW members self righteous people.

Same way it won't be fair on Gods part to destroy billions of people outside the organization as has always been stated in watchtower magazines.
That's where not being affliated to any organization comes in. Our good works and faith in Jesus Christ and his Father are those things that count.

TATIME:
A householder's face will be IDENTIFIED and RECOGNIZED as the one who refused to engage us in a Bible discussion or send us away with RAGE. Not someone hiding behind the social media, attending meetings with Jehovah's Witnesses and still condemning the religious group he/she is still associating with. When someone now ask you which Church are you congregating with? You'll say "Jehovah's Witnesses but they're a false religion" My friend a honest hearted and sincere person will say it to your face that you're a GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOT!

search4truth:


Being a Christian is not about keeping rules and regulations, performing rituals, or even going to church. It's about a friendship - a friendship with Jesus Christ. Jesus said that knowing him is the doorway to a special relationship with God.

Thank God you came from a muslim background. Since you said Jesus only says we should refer to true Christians as brother. I guess you don't call you don't see or call your muslim blood brother as a brother anymore then since you became a christian right?(Thats if you have a brother. Incase you don't have one, picture yourself having one).

With your analogy, i guess people can't have relationships again because of their religious beleifs then.

achorladey:


Dont forget it is in the heat of the discussion the rage in you force you to lash out with such words not out of what you typed out there.

A householder face will be RECOGNIZED and IDENTIFIED how? Hahahahahahaha.

Before fights break out take your leave na him bible talk. Rather than leave you resort to GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOTS.

Humble yourself!!!!!

TATIME:
No matter how humble a person could be,when you're trying to be relevant and your ideas proves otherwise a honest hearted and sincere person will tell you that you're a GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOT. Just keep that one in a cooler because you've proved to be just that. How can you come up to say "that is not the group Jesus asked us to associate with" OK which group? or give us the name of a better group? And you end up giving no SPECIFIC answer, my friend your nothing but an idiot a good for nothing at that!

achorladey:


Keywords: when you are trying to be relevant and your ideas proves otherwise a honest hearted and sincere person will tell you that you are a GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOT. (does this apply to a JW that says JESUS made mistakes and cover it up?)

Keep it in your personal COOLER its not for me to decide.

Keywords: "How can you come up to say that is not the group Jesus asked us to associate with" or give us a name of better?

What was Jesus invitation from the start...... COME BE MY FOLLOWER.

Not come be a follower or associates of an ORGANISATION or GROUP whose direction they admit to have errors/mistakes in direction and doctrinal matters.


Not come and IDENTIFY and ASSOCIATE with one group that suddenly appear as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in the 20/21 century that even the founder of the group if ressurrected back to life today cannot readily recognise.

After giving answers and questions that should aid your understanding on this matter(s), do you accept or agree to make your findings on all of this? You dont need my response on that as well. Keep it in your COOLER.

Nothing good can come out of GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOTS. For you to ponder, the GOOD FOR NOTHING SAMARITANS in the eyes of the Jews and their Jewish religious leaders were used to drive home important lessons for JESUS DISCIPLES and so many people during his day.

James 3:13-18.

LifestyleTonite:
Let's go with the word homage.

Now, how many of those whom you say were paid homage to were also referred to as "My Lord and My God" in the process ?

This distinguishes the worship seen in all the cases. Moreover, it isn't mentioned that Thomas worshiped Jesus. But the act and his saying speaks louder then those Daniel and David verses that say they were worshiped. For theirs, it can be said to be homage.

LifestyleTonite:
@tatime @barristter07

Pls address this quote.

alBHAGDADI:
I asked you, how many of your mighty God's were worshiped by angels who worship God? How many of them did the elders in heaven bow before and worshiped?

You still haven't answered me.

alBHAGDADI


What a deceitful human you are . I asked you to show me where anyone in the Bible has been referred to as Mighty God asides Jesus, you are here showing me Ezekiel 32:21. All the bible versions say Mighty Chiefs or Mighty Leaders, even your false New World Translation says Mighty Warriors. I'm now surprised that you are trying to make it sound like Mighty God. I guess you couldn't find any such verse in the Bible that's why you resorted to lying.

alBHAGDADI:
I don't understand you

Lol its clear you don't even believe Jesus died for your sins



Jesus is an immortal soul when he was on earth , how can an immortal person die for your sins ?

TATIME:
Jesus actually made MISTAKES(in the flesh)! Take it or leave it. It is there in your Bible and i've point it out to you, anybody who is sincere can read it in black and white. The only difference is that the PERFECT man quickly correct His errors unlike imperfect man that often fails to realise it unless someone more cautious point it out to you! So i'm still maintaining that,go and call all your Pastors to come and explain why Jesus told His father to turn around the cup that has been predestined for Him when He(Jesus) is the Word of God Himself meaning all that had been written must have passed through His office before any mortal man could be inspired,know,write or read it.Why He made those who came to arrest Him fall to the ground with a powerful utterance when he supposed to be arrested EASILY and why He was asking if His father has forsaken Him whereas God has never forsaken any of His loyal servants more or less HIS only begotten son! So stop parading that one because it is written in the Bible and if you're calling your crowds to investigate it and give me answers, i'm waiting! But it's only "a good for nothing idiot" that would keep saying "this group is not the one we should associate with as Christians" but cannot point to a better group yet ever arguing against a well established group of great achievements! Sorry my friend i'm not the type that swallows my words if Jesus is standing right here now i'll ask Him "Sir has your father ever abandoned any of HIS loyal ones?" That is how true Christians asked Him questions to know why He uttered such and not just going about like you without been able to stand and say "this is right or this is wrong". You can claim that a religious group is wrong OK which one is right? NO answer! Abeg park one side you're and you still remains a GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOT!

that one is very confused , His leaders in apostasy from whose table he feeds hasn't readily identify the congregation that Jesus heads to him, so don't be surprised if he. Didn't answer , Many of his teachers are atheists and agnostics. People who
dont even believe the Bible anymore . So his case is one to be pitied .

He was running mouth on following Jesus , yet could not identify the same congregation Jesus heads over . Can you see how he failed to answer pertinent questions relating to the John 14:6 he himself quotes ? Don't take him serious, he is finally ending up to be like his teachers .

search4truth:

At first you said i lied about what was in the website but now you're agreeing that the statement correlates with what 1st Peter 3:18 says.

You actually said Jesus ressurected physically but since your website says otherwise, you had no choice than to follow them.

At least you're admitting Jesus didn't ressurect physically.

Besides what does it mean to be made alive in the spirit? I leave that to you as an assignment

its a criminal act to insert a jw.org link and quote another gibberish from another place to make it look as though its coming from the link that is what you did at first

Show me where I said the Bold ?

Bookmarked for reference . failure to show it,you won't find it funny .

No you are wrong , the above was my stance from.the beginning

Comprehension!! o ma se o

Show me where I said Jesus ressurected physically ?

Ressurected as a spirit, any objection ?

Jozzy4:



Lol its clear you don't even believe Jesus died for your sins



Jesus is an immortal soul when he was on earth , how can an immortal person die for your sins ?

alBHAGDADI:
Na wah for you o.

Didn't he take on flesh and became human?

John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Barristter07:


Jozzy4 , come and help this your friend grab the point, it's higher than him I guess

search4truth:


Your accusing me wrongly of what I didn't do. The statement gotten from the Jw link is what i also posted here. How come you're saying i posted something from another website. Look at the screenshot of the Jw link below and tell me how its diff from what i posted at first

search4truth
But it says otherwise in your website
You don't even know your doctrines
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/


Jesus rose from the dead in the very same physical body in which He died. This resurrected, physical body was a glorified, spiritual body. The spiritual body is not merely "spirit". The spiritual body is the resurrected, glorified, physical body.
.

I won't find what funny? SMH
Looking at the 2nd image i screenshoted, how is this statement you made that "And JW do not acknowledge Jesus come in flesh(as human)?" not implying that you don't accept Jesus's physical ressurection?




Can you explain what you meant in your first statement in the 2nd screenshot below then?

Jesus come in flesh = Ressurect in flesh ?

Mi o le rerin o

It means he Was born as human to save mankind, ( John 1:14 he " became flesh and resided among us " ), comprehende ?

I dont know

..Go and make a research of the subject on your own.

Jozzy4:



that one is very confused , His leaders in apostasy from whose table he feeds hasn't readily identify the congregation that Jesus heads to him, so don't be surprised if he. Didn't answer , Many of his teachers are atheists and agnostics. People who
dont even believe the Bible anymore . So his case is one to be pitied .

He was running mouth on following Jesus , yet could not identify the same congregation Jesus heads over . Can you see how he failed to answer pertinent questions relating to the John 14:6 he himself quotes ? Don't take him serious, he is finally ending up to be like his teachers .

OneJ:


Who is the God that. "commanded the angels to worship Jesus? " U insisted that Jesus deserves worship. Did Jesus say U should direct your worship to him? .

This is where understanding of God's word really matters. In matt 4:10, Christ commanded that worship belongs only to Jehovah his Father. Christ already ruled himself out,for worship.
Therefore, it's improper to direct your worship to anyone else aside Jehovah.

U gave the hint in your previous post but some how lost the plot. Homage, obeisance, honour, prostration, respect that is what was accorded to Jesus, David ,Daniel etc.
These words maybe synonymous with "worship" depending on the context of the passage.

For lack of a distinct word to express the act, many bible translations used the blanket word "worship" to qualify their action.

These men no be Almighty God himself whom Christ said we should worship alone.
Shalom.

Jozzy4:



that one is very confused , His leaders in apostasy from whose table he feeds hasn't readily identify the congregation that Jesus heads to him, so don't be surprised if he. Didn't answer , Many of his teachers are atheists and agnostics. People who
dont even believe the Bible anymore . So his case is one to be pitied .

He was running mouth on following Jesus , yet could not identify the same congregation Jesus heads over . Can you see how he failed to answer pertinent questions relating to the John 14:6 he himself quotes ? Don't take him serious, he is finally ending up to be like his teachers .

You search4truth posted this .



The Red is from Jw.org website ?

Jesus come in flesh = Ressurect in flesh ?

Mi o le rerin o

It means he Was born as human to save mankind, ( John 1:14 he " became flesh and resided among us " ), comprehende ?

you who have made research, Talk nah ?

achorladey:

You backed TATIME that JESUS makes mistake in the Flesh too?

TATIME:
Can you now see the reason why you're truly a "GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOT"? You've always agitated that relying ONLY on the publications from the Watchtower is wrong and that been a member of a religious group does not guarantee salvation. OK i made a PERSONAL research and publicly declared that Jesus as perfect as He is made mistakes "in the flesh",instead of a correction if the need be or commendation if you have thought over the points presented from the scriptures, you're now calling members of JW to confirm the discovery from a PERSONAL BIBLE STUDY of one of their members! FOR WHAT PURPOSE? So that you can now say "JWs said" After i said "this can't be found in any of the organization's publications right from the 1870s till today". If you're not a GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOT like a chameleon, are you in support of Christianity base on PERSONAL study or Christianity based on been a member of a group?

Jozzy4:



that one is very confused , His leaders in apostasy from whose table he feeds hasn't readily identify the congregation that Jesus heads to him, so don't be surprised if he. Didn't answer , Many of his teachers are atheists and agnostics. People who
dont even believe the Bible anymore . So his case is one to be pitied .

He was running mouth on following Jesus , yet could not identify the same congregation Jesus heads over . Can you see how he failed to answer pertinent questions relating to the John 14:6 he himself quotes ? Don't take him serious, he is finally ending up to be like his teachers .