TATIME:
Go and form your own congregation, as for us we're OK with our GB.

Barristter07:


Worship belongs to God , Do you agree they accept worship and are therefore God's ?

Barristter07:


Properly addesss all the areas you called bias .

Way
Did Jesus need to die before Abels immortal soul make heaven ? ( You are so ignorant to tell me to ask, when the facts show they dont, Anyone can say Yes with their mouths not knowing they don't even believe what they admit to ) ( Respond to this critical area )


Life : Can Jesus ressurect people who are presently alive in heaven ?

[Truth, listening to Jesus voice] How can they preach Gods kingdom Jesus asked to preach if they dont understand it ? Who are thoze preaching the kingdom today as prophesied in Mtt 24:14 ?

Barristter07:


Properly addesss all the areas you called bias .

Way
Did Jesus need to die before Abels immortal soul make heaven ? ( You are so ignorant to tell me to ask, when the facts show they dont, Anyone can say Yes with their mouths not knowing they don't even believe what they admit to ) ( Respond to this critical area )


Life : Can Jesus ressurect people who are presently alive in heaven ?

[Truth, listening to Jesus voice] How can they preach Gods kingdom Jesus asked to preach if they dont understand it ? Who are thoze preaching the kingdom today as prophesied in Mtt 24:14 ?

Hairyrapunzel:


In everything you do you try to discredit Jesus Christ. So as to justify the claims made by your organization that they are the only way, the truth and the life.

You still don't make any sense. Is it that you are saying that Jesus isn't the way, the truth and the life?

I don't understand.

Barristter07:


Properly addesss all the areas you called bias .

Way
Did Jesus need to die before Abels immortal soul make heaven ? ( You are so ignorant to tell me to ask, when the facts show they dont, Anyone can say Yes with their mouths not knowing they don't even believe what they admit to ) ( Respond to this critical area )


Life : Can Jesus ressurect people who are presently alive in heaven ?

[Truth, listening to Jesus voice] How can they preach Gods kingdom Jesus asked to preach if they dont understand it ? Who are thoze preaching the kingdom today as prophesied in Mtt 24:14 ?

search4truth:

At first you said i lied about what was in the website but now you're agreeing that the statement correlates with what 1st Peter 3:18 says.
You actually said Jesus ressurected physically but since your website says otherwise, you had no choice than to follow them.

At least you're admitting Jesus didn't ressurect physically.

Besides what does it mean to be made alive in the spirit? I leave that to you as an assignment

Lets leave the ressurection issue--
Do you beeive in the Jw 607/1914 doctrine? and can you tell me why you think its right?

OneJ:


Why are U so daft? What has "Barrister 07" said that "discredit Jesus Christ"? Ke mgbe On ye na riora IBERIBEISM ga ghotife anunwa?

search4truth:

Thank you sir.. Are you also a jw or ever been one?

Hairyrapunzel:


Why won't you be OK with 8 old men in new York who say they are imperfect, uninspired, fallible and can err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction? You are programmed to be OK with it. We can't be programmed to think the way you do. Our brains are superior to that of your imperfect men.

alBHAGDADI:


Jesus never made any mistake. He was holy and righteous without fault. If he had made mistakes as you claim, then it means God made a mistake by giving a lamb with blemish for the redemption of mankind. But that is not the case because the Bible says Jesus is a spotless lamb.

1 Peter 1:19

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1 John 3:5
You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.

Isaiah 53:9
His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

Primesky:


No, I'm not. But I love their passion and devotion just like Saul had, though he didn't know he was doing the opposite thing.

I long to see JWs come to the truth. Thanks bro.

TATIME:
Good! So case is settled!

Hairyrapunzel:


I know in your head you have been programmed to think and to believe that because we don't believe these 8 old men in new York who say they are imperfect, uninspired, fallible and can err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction, we are doomed for destruction in Armageddon. Lol

Your case is settled too. Lol

TATIME:
How i love to give you a handshake for this wonderful conclusion.

TATIME:
Ones again you're wrong my friend because the same Bible said there are 144,000 bought from the earth and they're SPOTLESS as in without BLEMISH. Revelations 14:5 Please does that means throughout their lifetime they NEVER made any mistakes? I've told you the TRUTH of the matter Jesus as perfect as He could be (in the flesh) made mistakes just like Adam,the ONLY difference is ADMITTING it quickly and making amendments. Helloooooooo that is exactly what all those 144,000 Holy ones did that qualified them to become co~rulers with him in heaven period!

alBHAGDADI:
First of all, you JW claim the 144, 000 are some elders in your organization. But that particular passage in verse 4 says they are virgins, whereas your elders all have children.

Have you asked to know why those 144, 000 are said to be without blemish? It is because they have been following Jesus the Lamb of God. You are here saying they made mistakes in the past but later became without blemish, thereby equating their situation to that of Jesus who was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Revelations 13:. He has been holy from the beginning and even pronounced to be a holy child before he was conceived Luke 1:35, John 1:1. How can He who created all things now make mistakes?

The 144, 000 men could have made mistakes in the past, but what qualified them is the fact that they were not defiled by women and they followed Jesus (they had faith in him). They were redeemed as first fruits by Jesus. If they were without faults as you claim, then they needed no redeemer, they needed not Jesus to redeem them. But hey, they need him because salvation is not of works but of faith lest any man should boast. Their righteousness is as filthy rags before God (Isaiah 64:6).

Revelations 14:4-5
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.


You are just looking for a way to reduce Jesus into nothing, which is the normal practice of JW. The Bible says he is without sin, yet you say he made mistakes. How did he attone for his sins? Did he sacrifice lamb at the temple?
It's funny how you say the lamb who was sacrificed for the sins of many did make mistakes i.e also commit sin Whereas, he said he always does what is pleasing to his Father.

John 8:29
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do ALWAYS those things that please him.


According to you and your JW false witnesses, Jesus lied in the above statement.

TATIME:
Once again my friend you're wrong because Peter is one of them as Jesus declared that "the keys of the kingdom" He will give Peter and Peter had a wife otherwise he won't have a mother in-law. Matthew 16:19, Luke 4:38 Please go back and do your homework thoroughly if you're not saying Peter is not part of the 144,000.

alBHAGDADI:


Where they worshiped as God or they were simply worshiped as the human they are?


It seems you do not know that worship has more than one meaning.


Where and when did any of those worshiping them call them b]''My Lord and My God''?[/b]

alBHAGDADI:
I seriously don't understand what you are saying there.

Humans are called El Gibbor just as Jesus .

Ezekiel 32:21 , Isaiah 9:6 .

El Gibbor ( plural ) rendered " Mighty chiefs "

El Gibbor rendered " Mighty God "

Can you comprehend now ?

Barristter07:




Humans are called El Gibbor just as Jesus .

Ezekiel 32:21 , Isaiah 9:6 .

El Gibbor ( plural ) rendered " Mighty chiefs "

El Gibbor rendered " Mighty God "

Can you comprehend now ?

alBHAGDADI:
Stop saying I'm wrong when you are the one who is wrong.

You say Peter belongs to the 144,000 whereas the Bible says those people are virgins. Peter got married.

Revelations 14:4-5
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Peter got married. This doesn't mean he doesn't have a special place with Jesus. One of the special things Peter enjoys with Jesus is having the keys to the Kingdom of heaven.

Mathew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Peter is not among the 144, 000 because they are said to be people still on the earth during the great tribulation.

Revelations 7:1-8
1. And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

alBHAGDADI:
Stop saying I'm wrong when you are the one who is wrong.

You say Peter belongs to the 144,000 whereas the Bible says those people are virgins. Peter got married.

Revelations 14:4-5
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Peter got married. This doesn't mean he doesn't have a special place with Jesus. One of the special things Peter enjoys with Jesus is having the keys to the Kingdom of heaven.

Mathew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Peter is not among the 144, 000 because they are said to be people still on the earth during the great tribulation.

Revelations 7:1-8
1. And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Barristter07:


Properly addesss all the areas you called bias .

Way
Did Jesus need to die before Abels immortal soul make heaven ? ( You are so ignorant to tell me to ask, when the facts show they dont, Anyone can say Yes with their mouths not knowing they don't even believe what they admit to ) ( Respond to this critical area )


Life : Can Jesus ressurect people who are presently alive in heaven ?

[Truth, listening to Jesus voice] How can they preach Gods kingdom Jesus asked to preach if they dont understand it ? Who are thoze preaching the kingdom today as prophesied in Mtt 24:14 ?

Barristter07:


Peter is among this first fruits ( Romans 8:23,24 James 1:18)

the 144,000 will rule with Christ as Kings over the earth - Rev 5:9,10. Will Peter rule together with Christ or not ? Process that ,

alBHAGDADI:


Yes, you don't believe in John 3:16 because you only pay it lip service.

How can you say you believe in it then turn around and say someone can't be saved unless he belongs to an organization? Is that what the Bible states below about how I can be saved?

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


The Bible has never said believe in Jesus Christ and belong to an organization for one to be saved. It simply says BELIEVE.

Barristter07:


Peter is among this first fruits ( Romans 8:23,24 James 1:18)

the 144,000 will rule with Christ as Kings over the earth - Rev 5:9,10. Will Peter rule together with Christ or not ? Process that ,

Jozzy4:


Stop putting round pegs into square holes.

For your information, you don't even believe Jesus died for your sins not to talk of believing in John 3:16 .


How can Jesus with an immortal [,never dying ] soul die for your sins ?

Jozzy4:


Stop putting round pegs into square holes.

For your information, you don't even believe Jesus died for your sins not to talk of believing in John 3:16 .


How can Jesus with an immortal [,never dying ] soul die for your sins ?

Barristter07:


Peter is among this first fruits ( Romans 8:23,24 James 1:18)

the 144,000 will rule with Christ as Kings over the earth - Rev 5:9,10. Will Peter rule together with Christ or not ? Process that ,