italo:

I repeat: that a story is a myth does not make it untrue.

Read and find out who is "illiterate."

Ok. Let's not get into semantics. Do you agree with the cardinal that it is impossible to say when there was a first human?

I put the M in illiteracy.

Alfa Seltzer:

Ok. Let's not get into semantics. Do you agree with the cardinal that it is impossible to say when there was a first human?

Scientifically speaking, yes.

You disagree?

maxwello.yg:
Some people are not meant to be priests, let alone bishop then cardinal.

O God, why do people speak before getting to understand crux of the matter? What is a myth in the 21st century definition?


"Lord, teach me to keep my mouth shut, until I know what I am talking about. Amen"

@OP, edit your title, else you just joined in telling a lie.

italo:

Scientifically speaking, yes.

You disagree?

Of course not. But religiously speaking, do you agree?

Alfa Seltzer:

Of course not. But religiously speaking, do you agree?

Spiritually speaking, anything is possible.

Do you know when there was a first human?

Alfa Seltzer:

Of course not. But religiously speaking, do you agree?

Out of interest, do you make a dichotomy between Religion and Science?

italo:

Spiritually speaking, anything is possible.

Do you know when there was a first human?

Why dodge the question with a non-answer?

Do you agree with your cardinal, whether scientific, spiritual or otherwise that you people have no clue when there was the first human?

Pastor AIO:

Out of interest, do you make a dichotomy between Religion and Science?

An error that many religious and non-religious people fall into.

Pastor AIO:

Out of interest, do you make a dichotomy between Religion and Science?

Yes.

Alfa Seltzer:

Why dodge the question with a non-answer?

Do you agree with your cardinal, whether scientific, spiritual or otherwise that you people have no clue when there was the first human?

I didnt dodge the question. I thought my answer would be clear enough to you.

The Cardinal said it was impossible to know when therewas a first human.

I believe he was speaking in terms of science. So, yes, I agree.

But spiritually, it is possible to know anything.

I hope that is clear enough and can you please answer my question?

italo:

I didnt dodge the question. I thought my answer would be clear enough to you.

The Cardinal said it was impossible to know when therewas a first human.

I believe he was speaking in terms of science. So, yes, I agree.

But spiritually, it is possible to know anything.

I hope that is clear enough and can you please answer my question?

I believe he is a cardinal, not a scientist. So where got the idea that he was talking science beats me.

So you contradict yourself because after saying that a dichotomy between religion and science was an error, you went ahead and made one. If there is no dichotomy, why are you attributing the cardinal's view to only science?

The answer to your question is no. I do not know when there was the first human because there was no such thing as a first human.

Alfa Seltzer:

I believe he is a cardinal, not a scientist. So where got the idea that he was talking science beats me.

You believe a cardinal cannot talk science? You are terribly misinformed. Please read this link and educate yourself about the multitude of Catholic clerics who were scientists all through history...and do me the favour of educating your fellow misinformed Atheists too.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Catholic_cleric%E2%80%93scientists

Alfa Seltzer:
So you contradict yourself because after saying that a dichotomy between religion and science was an error, you went ahead and made one. If there is no dichotomy, why are you attributing the cardinal's view to only science?

Faith and science are not contradictory. They both seek truth only through different means. Perhaps you should look up words like "dichotomy" and "myth" before posting.

Alfa Seltzer:
The answer to your question is no. I do not know when there was the first human because there was no such thing as a first human.

So do you know when there were the first humans?

La la la!

italo:


So do you know when there were the first humans?

I already told you, there are no such things as first humans.

To make you understand it better answer this question for me: Look at your fingernails and tell me which day the fingernails you are looking at first appeared.

collynzo2: . And the theory that the entire universe was once a huge mass of rock that exploded for no apparent reason and VOILA! Here we are...is more believable than a Supreme Being creating the earth? Tell me, if I were to take a car apart, place all the parts in a dumpster, blow the dumpster with sticks of dynamite, am I supposed to believe that in a billion years, the car will magically reassemble itself into a working piece of machinery? You need even bigger faith to believe that.

This just made my day. An ignorant creationist's understanding of science theories is just pure comedy gold.

"the universe started from a HUGE mass of rock that exploded". Lol!!! I hope this guy posts something about quantum mechanics soon. Please God, let him start posting about quantum mechanics.

We all need more laughter in our lives.

This thread is still not silly enough for me to feast on. Where are the bible thumping christians

Alfa Seltzer:



illiteracy

This is new one. The complex type.

italo:

I didnt dodge the question. I thought my answer would be clear enough to you.

The Cardinal said it was impossible to know when therewas a first human.

I believe he was speaking in terms of science. So, yes, I agree.

But spiritually, it is possible to know anything.

I hope that is clear enough and can you please answer my question?

Sorry to jump on. But if it spiritually impossible to know anything, then why do priests and other religious nuts make so much noise about spiritual jumbo jumbo?
Doesn't the make religion void and a waste of every ones time?

@op. that cardinal has a problem in his mind. He wants to believe science that will propound another theory tomorrow?

what was scientific theory when the bible describe water cycle, that the earth was round, and that the earth is hanging on nothing? but now all that biblical truth has now been confirmed.

wait! is that man still a "cardinal"?

Yungwizzzy: I'm a practicing Christian but sometimes I wonder why would God want to destroy this world after it's existence for billions of years

well, God is not destroying the world but evil men.

Yungwizzzy:

somethings like who Cain got married to after killing his bro?

There is nothing wrong with using logic to learn God's word. in short it is the best way of getting the truth therein.

the bible lives us with details that are essential for our service to Him. if God were to write everything in details, can your head carry it? see how the bible we have is generating debates and misinterpretations even on topics that are well detailed, how will it be if more stories were added? even the FULL detail of Jesus gospel will be so big to handle not to talk of other details.

Adam gave birth to sons and daughters. that the bible dwell on the issue of cain and abel, is just for us to learn from it, not that Adam never gave birth to other sons and daughters not long after giving birth to cain and abel.

it is likely then that there had been much persons before cain married. no doubt he likely married one of his relatives.

again, this story is not essential to our worship of God. no wonder God gave less details.

plaetton:
Sorry to jump on. But if it spiritually impossible to know anything, then why do priests and other religious nuts make so much noise about spiritual jumbo jumbo?
Doesn't the make religion void and a waste of every ones time?

I said "possible," not "impossible."

So that makes this your jumbo jumbo post void and a waste of time.

JMAN05: @op. that cardinal has a problem in his mind. He wants to believe science that will propound another theory tomorrow?

what was scientific theory when the bible describe water cycle, that the earth was round, and that the earth is hanging on nothing? but now all that biblical truth has now been confirmed.

wait! is that man still a "cardinal"?

What is wrong with science. The Catholic Church has always embraced and supported true science knowing that it can never contradict the true faith. Both are paths to arrive at the truth, only, faith transcends the scope of science.

The Cardinal did or said nothing against Catholic teaching.

A Christian who is against science suggests that he is unsure of his faith.

Satan at work

italo:

What is wrong with science. The Catholic Church has always embraced and supported true science knowing that it can never contradict the true faith. Both are paths to arrive at the truth, only, faith transcends the scope of science.

The Cardinal did or said nothing against Catholic teaching.

A Christian who is against science suggests that he is unsure of his faith.

And I ask, science and bible, which one first identified where the earth was hanging?

anyone who dismisses the statement of God's word and settles for science will be disappointed.

science is good, but its theories does change as such what is true today may be false tomorrow. it is unreasonable to leave the bible truth and settle for science. how can a right thinking person call the story of Adam and Eve a myth while he still believes in Jesus Christ? well, thank God am not a catholic.

Even their so called dating method cannot be trusted.

JMAN05:

And I ask, science and bible, which one first identified where the earth was hanging?

anyone who dismisses the statement of God's word and settles for science will be disappointed.

science is good, but its theories does change as such what is true today may be false tomorrow. it is unreasonable to leave the bible truth and settle for science. how can a right thinking person call the story of Adam and Eve a myth while he still believes in Jesus Christ? well, thank God am not a catholic.

Even their so called dating method cannot be trusted.

What is the story of adam and eve, a theory?

JMAN05:

what was scientific theory when the bible describe water cycle, that the earth was round, and that the earth is hanging on nothing? but now all that biblical truth has now been confirmed.

Stop talking rubbish abeg. When did the bible describe any of those things? Why was it only when secular science discovered them that christians noticed that they were in the bible? Whenever a scientific idea becomes too obvious to dismiss, you people go and look for a vague verse that you can twist to make it look like the bible said it all along. The same bible that spent chapter after chapter on useless advice about what was "clean" (locusts, cockroaches) and what was unclean (menstruating women, and women who give birth to girls) but couldn't tell people to boil water before drinking it.

Why were christians persecuting scientists and free thinkers who questioned their superstitious beliefs? Why did the church try to kill Galileo for proving that the earth goes round the sun and not the other way round?

Keep deceiving yourself that your holy book isn't just a bunch of fables and superstitions. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

italo: @Op,

That a story is a myth doesnt make it untrue.

Oh!
It makes it true, eh?

This is what Catholicism is all about:

Keeps re inventing itself.

But the Roman era reinvention has turned out to be an albatross

This cardinal is following a well beaten track that might become the final nail in the cof....

Evil Brain:

Stop talking rubbish abeg. When did the bible describe any of those things? Why was it only when secular science discovered them that christians noticed that they were in the bible? Whenever a scientific idea becomes too obvious to dismiss, you people go and look for a vague verse that you can twist to make it look like the bible said it all along. The same bible that spent chapter after chapter on useless advice about what was "clean" (locusts, cockroaches) and what was unclean (menstruating women, and women who give birth to girls) but couldn't tell people to boil water before drinking it.

Why were christians persecuting scientists and free thinkers who questioned their superstitious beliefs? Why did the church try to kill Galileo for proving that the earth goes round the sun and not the other way round?

Keep deceiving yourself that your holy book isn't just a bunch of fables and superstitions. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

those who twist the bible to agree with science are the same people who are trying to call the account of Adam myth. true religion can never do that ok. the same persons threatened Galilio and persecuted free thinkers.

keep deceiving yourself on a belief that can never produce life nor resurrect the dead when blind chance "did" so. keep deceiving urself on a theory that can not be proved scientifically when u cast all ur hope on science for accuracy.

Since this ur so called fable book said what science later discovered, it is better off than science.

JMAN05:

There is nothing wrong with using logic to learn God's word. in short it is the best way of getting the truth therein.

the bible lives us with details that are essential for our service to Him. if God were to write everything in details, can your head carry it? see how the bible we have is generating debates and misinterpretations even on topics that are well detailed, how will it be if more stories were added? even the FULL detail of Jesus gospel will be so big to handle not to talk of other details.

Adam gave birth to sons and daughters. that the bible dwell on the issue of cain and abel, is just for us to learn from it, not that Adam never gave birth to other sons and daughters not long after giving birth to cain and abel.

it is likely then that there had been much persons before cain married. no doubt he likely married one of his relatives.

again, this story is not essential to our worship of God. no wonder God gave less details.

You've made valid expository on this post that even a lay man can understand. Nice one!