JMAN05:

And I ask, science and bible, which one first identified where the earth was hanging?

anyone who dismisses the statement of God's word and settles for science will be disappointed.

science is good, but its theories does change as such what is true today may be false tomorrow. it is unreasonable to leave the bible truth and settle for science. how can a right thinking person call the story of Adam and Eve a myth while he still believes in Jesus Christ? well, thank God am not a catholic.

Even their so called dating method cannot be trusted.

turnstoner:

Oh!
It makes it true, eh?

Evil Brain:

Stop talking rubbish abeg. When did the bible describe any of those things? Why was it only when secular science discovered them that christians noticed that they were in the bible? Whenever a scientific idea becomes too obvious to dismiss, you people go and look for a vague verse that you can twist to make it look like the bible said it all along. The same bible that spent chapter after chapter on useless advice about what was "clean" (locusts, cockroaches) and what was unclean (menstruating women, and women who give birth to girls) but couldn't tell people to boil water before drinking it.

Why were christians persecuting scientists and free thinkers who questioned their superstitious beliefs? Why did the church try to kill Galileo for proving that the earth goes round the sun and not the other way round?

Keep deceiving yourself that your holy book isn't just a bunch of fables and superstitions. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

italo:

What is wrong with science. The Catholic Church has always embraced and supported true science knowing that it can never contradict the true faith. Both are paths to arrive at the truth, only, faith transcends the scope of science.
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Yungwizzzy: I'm a practicing Christian but sometimes I wonder why would God want to destroy this world after it's existence for billions of years

turnstoner:

Just so you know:
The catholic church is not a path to arrive at any truth.

Historically,what the catholic church does is to align itself with prevailing powers or forces and tries to legitimize(preserve) itself by so doing.

turnstoner:
Equating catholicism with science is a hilarious deceit. So catholicism agrees with the theory of evolution? Then it can be safely assumed that it does not agree with the biblical account of the origin of man. I wonder how catholics can still refer to themselves as christians.

turnstoner:
Does catholicism also agree with the big-banng theory?

turnstoner:
Why was Galileo persecuted by the catholic church?

Not true. Historically, the Catholic Church has undergone and endured countless and continual persecutions from the most powerful governments in the world. America and China are just two of today's examples. I will expantiate if you need it.

Catholicism is not equal to science. It is far superior.

The big bang theory and evolution are not conclusive and they are not incompatible with Catholic teaching.
You surely do not know that the basic theory behind the Big Bang (although he didn’t call it that) was first proposed by Fr. Georges Lemaître, a Belgian priest and physicist.

Because he wanted the Church to change the way they interpreted scripture based on a theory that he was yet to prove conclusively. Indeed, parts of that theory have been scientifically proven to be wrong.
Do research. You seem to know so little for one who asserts so much.
I cant teach you everything.

italo:

The Church did what it could to urge caution. Galileo did not conclusively prove his proposition but was trying to proclaim it as truth already.

Are you aware that Galileo said sun is the centre of the universe and it does not move?

italo:

Not true. Historically, the Catholic Church has undergone and endured countless and continual persecutions from the most powerful governments in the world. America and China are just two of today's examples. I will expantiate if you need it.

Catholicism is not equal to science. It is far superior.

italo:

My dear, that it is a mythological account doesnt mean it is untrue.

I just pray you can understand that little sentence before you condemn the cardinal who knows much more than you.

omobarBlog: (Yahoo News) In comments that may shock some staunch Catholics, Cardinal George Pell has described the biblical story of Adam and Eve as a myth.
[size=14pt]He appeared alongside renowned evolutionary biologist and atheist, Professor Richard Dawkins, on the ABC’s Q&A program [/size]last night.
Cardinal Pell said the existence of Adam and Eve was not a matter of science but rather a mythological account.
“It’s a very sophisticated mythology to try to explain the evil and the suffering in the world,” he said.
[size=14pt]“It’s a religious story told for religious purposes.”[/size]
According to Genesis, God created Adam and Eve as the first man and woman and all people are descended from them.
Cardinal Pell’s explosive comments came after he was questioned about evolution.
[size=14pt]He said it was impossible to say when there was a first human.[/size]
It is widely accepted in the scientific community that life on Earth has evolved over about four billion years
source:http://omobar..com/2013/08/catholic-cardinal-says-adam-and-eve.html

They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear"

BERNIMOORE:

at times you want want to ask youself how these cardinal/priest/overseer truly satify the biblcal requirements to be nominated as a cardinal,

how happy i was when these prophecies below is being fufiled in my lifetime


[size=18pt]2 Timothy 4:3

"For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear" .
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BERNIMOORE:

at times you want want to ask youself how these cardinal/priest/overseer truly satify the biblcal requirements to be nominated as a cardinal,

how happy i was when these prophecies below is being fufiled in my lifetime


[size=18pt]2 Timothy 4:3

"For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear" .
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lacum:
did i.hear u say biblical requirement, i tot u bible students argue that there is nothing like priest, bishop,cardinal,pope in d bible? ur even quoting d bible to support u? some of u pentiostals are quite funny. smh
people who have not read their bible are coming to challeng a bible scholar, smwww

DEGREE2466: At EVILBRAIN: I dont think you know anything about history at all. How can you say that catholics are the causes of the dark ages in Europe?

For you information the period of renaissance in the history of the early europeans was managed by the catholic monks and even the books written by the great philosophers like plato, aristotle, descartes and so many of them were preserved by the catholic monks when the barbarians envaded the roman city which brought about the dark ages of the roman empire.

So I suggest you go and read history.

Evil Brain:

You're the one who need to go and read. Go and read about the inquisition. Go and read about the death of Hypatia, the massacre of the Cathars, the history of Catholic antisemitism.

The church actively suppressed all free thought and scientific thinking for centuries. They killed countless numbers of "heretic" philosophers and made questioning their ridiculous superstitions a capital crime. Christians are always criticizing Muslim countries for killing those who speak against Islam, but the muslims never tortured people, tore out their tongues with hot irons, then burnt them at the stake along with all their writings. Compared to the old Christians, the worst Muslim fanatics are merciful and civilized.

I suppose you think it's a coincidence that the dark ages coincided exactly with the rise of Christianity as the dominant religion/political force in Europe. You think it's just by chance that scientific, economic and social progress started again (after a thousand year halt) as soon as the church became weak enough that scientists, philosophers and free thinkers were again able to exchange ideas openly without worrying about being tortured and burnt alive by the Christians?

Imagine what humanity would have achieved by now if Christianity hadn't held us back for a millennium? Man was walking on the moon within 500 years of the fall of Christianity as a political power. Imagine it we had walked on the moon in 1000ce? We would have been living in Star Trek by now.

Pastor AIO: The only people that I know that are ready to kill you for suggesting that the story of Adam and Eve is a myth are the Pentecostals and Evangelicals. I believe that everybody else understands it for what it is and tries to glean the truth that the story is trying to communicate.

It is the same with the Gospels. Some people will start to attack you if you say that the Gospels are not strictly History. But the fact is that ALL of the gospels, Matthew Mark Luke and John cannot be historically true because they contradict each other. Was Jesus silent when he was carrying the cross or did he speak? He can't have done both at the same time. one gospel has him speaking, another has him silent. What did Jesus say on the cross? What did he say to the thieves on the cross?
Each gospel writer has a theological point that he is trying to make (I shudder to use the word Agenda, lol). If you discard seeking the theological point and merely see it as a recording of history then you must be prepared to dance some complicated backflips and logic suspension. And you will miss great spiritual insights.

It is obvious that the first and second chapters of Genesis are two different myths joined together. It was obvious to those who wrote it. If they were claiming to write history I'm sure they would have made more effort to make the myths into one singe narrative.

Pastor AIO: The only people that I know that are ready to kill you for suggesting that the story of Adam and Eve is a myth are the Pentecostals and Evangelicals. I believe that everybody else understands it for what it is and tries to glean the truth that the story is trying to communicate.

It is the same with the Gospels. Some people will start to attack you if you say that the Gospels are not strictly History. But the fact is that ALL of the gospels, Matthew Mark Luke and John cannot be historically true because they contradict each other. Was Jesus silent when he was carrying the cross or did he speak? He can't have done both at the same time. one gospel has him speaking, another has him silent. What did Jesus say on the cross? What did he say to the thieves on the cross?
Each gospel writer has a theological point that he is trying to make (I shudder to use the word Agenda, lol). If you discard seeking the theological point and merely see it as a recording of history then you must be prepared to dance some complicated backflips and logic suspension. And you will miss great spiritual insights.

It is obvious that the first and second chapters of Genesis are two different myths joined together. It was obvious to those who wrote it. If they were claiming to write history I'm sure they would have made more effort to make the myths into one singe narrative.

JMAN05:

sorry if u cant decode the trux between Pell's comment and what evolution believes.

he is telling u that the account is a myth. is it not partly what evolution has been saying? from his comment can you now say that life began some six/seven thousand years ago?

If you call it a myth, you can hardly affirm all the story therein as a real life story, it can only be viewed as a cooked story for religious reasons. which is what your cardinal is saying.

I know that catholic likes merging any belief, even paganism to their belief. I dont know whether they wont to do the same for evolution. thats there business, the bible's account is not just a religious story but it is PURE truth. maybe science will understand later as there theory continues to receive enlightenment.

DEGREE2466:

Hypatia was killed not because of her philosophical teachings but because she exacerpated the altercation between governor orestes and bishop cyril. So her killing has nothing to do with catholics rejecting free thinkers rather she was a hellenistic magician who sided politics.

But that not being the issue; as for the time of those happenings was there any other church that bears the name christianity apart from catholic church?

mazaje: Italo stop trying to hard. . .The genesis account is a myth. . It never happened and it is not true. . .A cardinal that knows better than you has stated it. . .Why are you still fighting yourself?. . .

mazaje: Italo stop trying to hard. . .The genesis account is a myth. . It never happened and it is not true. . .A cardinal that knows better than you has stated it. . .Why are you still fighting yourself?. . .