Goshen360: Una these anti tithe group sef, una sha like dey like to trouble.

Any, I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this THREAD. This gospel of anti tithe shall be gracefully preach to all nations and then, liberation of tithe captives shall come!

shdemidemi:

What forum did you direct people to, make me sef go chk the forum...lol

Pastor Kun:

You wan spoil business for seun

shdemidemi:

What forum did you direct people to, make me sef go chk the forum...lol

Pastor Kun: @Peteregwu
Are you sure you are a christian or just a twister and merchandiser of the gospel

peteregwu:

Brother, what happens to the commandment of tithes payment in Malachi. Malachi 3:8-10 KJV
"Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. [9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. [10] Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it ."

We have been issued a commandment all ready. Christ came to fulfill the law and to save sinners. Christ did not come to start looking for tithe. it is our own duty to go ahead in fulfilling His commandment. in the new testament the brethren also gave to the lord also, for the work of the gospel. I dont just understand why you guys is just against tithes payment. we should see it as joy to give to the Lord. the tithes are used to take care bills and many other project in the church and also the gospel of reaching out to others. all this things require money, brethren, if the church start giving money to the poor, how many will they give or satisfy. their are some instances that require urgent attention at times.

sometime it makes me wonder if you people are even involved in your church activities. are you a worker in your church brother?

how much is the 10% self? it is nothing....haba! assuming someone is earning 40k now, the 10% is just 4k. is that one too much for God for the whole month?

Goshen360: Una these anti tithe group sef, una sha like dey like to trouble.

Any, I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this THREAD. This gospel of anti tithe shall be gracefully preach to all nations and then, liberation of tithe captives shall come!

MostHigh:

cowboy X

christemmbassey: dear sir, there is no verse in the whole of Malachi that COMMANDS CHRISTIANS TO PAY 10% of their earnings to God, pastor or church organisations, rather the book of malachi is warning to the priests who were collecting tithes from d ppl but refused to remmit required tithe of tithes to d the temple store and it was extended to the whole nation of isreal bc of the precarious responsibilities of the then levitical priesthood. I pastor a young growing church we dont collect tithe, 1st fruits, sowing of seeds, harvest or do sacrifice aka giving ur isaac but the church is moving on, pls sir all d things u mentioned as d sub heads for tithe are excuses to continue to perpetuate these scams. Yes we should give to the church, but who is d church? The church is not buildings, the church is the body of Christ, all members, we should not concentrate on one group of members alone ie pastors or what u ppl called 'clergy' other members especially the poor, widows, orphans etc must also benefit as equal members of the body. Pls sir, next time when studying Malachi start from chapter 1 verse 1 you will discover its about d unfaithfulness of the levitical priests AND NOT A COMMANDMEMT TO CHRISTIANS. God bless

peteregwu:

Oh, I see, it's about the faithfulness of the pivoted right? in other words their is tithing approved by God? so, who is the person that will that judge the unfaithful pastors misusing tithes when the time comes?

Goshen360:

Stop following me about! I'm not a gay! I'm not interested in you!

Goshen360:

Okay, let's start it this way. Who are to receive tithe as COMMANDED by God? Levites or pastors?

MostHigh:

Poor Goshen.

Goshen has lost his bite

peteregwu:

Brother, what happens to the commandment of tithes payment in Malachi. Malachi 3:8-10 KJV
"Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. [9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. [10] Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it ."

We have been issued a commandment all ready. Christ came to fulfill the law and to save sinners. Christ did not come to start looking for tithe. it is our own duty to go ahead in fulfilling His commandment. in the new testament the brethren also gave to the lord also, for the work of the gospel. I dont just understand why you guys is just against tithes payment. we should see it as joy to give to the Lord. the tithes are used to take care bills and many other project in the church and also the gospel of reaching out to others. all this things require money, brethren, if the church start giving money to the poor, how many will they give or satisfy. their are some instances that require urgent attention at times.

sometime it makes me wonder if you people are even involved in your church activities. are you a worker in your church brother?

how much is the 10% self? it is nothing....haba! assuming someone is earning 40k now, the 10% is just 4k. is that one too much for God for the whole month?

Reasons Why You Should Not Tithe Today:

1. The tithe was the tax instituted by God to sustain the levithical priesthood. This has been changed with d coming of Christ's eternal Priesthood that does not need tithing to sustain it, Hebrew 7:12.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law

2. Tithing is obligatory giving. 2 Cor 9:7 shows that NT giving should never be obligatory.

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

3. Abraham tithing, which some argue is pre-law, was a once for all thing and it was a tithe of spoil of war. Christian's incomes today is not war spoil. If we must tithe like Abraham, it must be once and for all and we must give the rest away like he did. God never demanded tithes from war spoils in all the wars Israel waged in the OT.

4. Jesus' mention of the tithe in Matthew 23:23 was in keeping with the Mosaic law, same way he commands those healed of diseases to report to the priest after he's healed them.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 8:3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. 4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, show thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

5. Paul, the leading NT author, never mentioned tithing in all his epistles, including the pastoral ones.

6. The tithe as mentioned in Abram's case, the law, Jesus, etc, was never hard core cash. The tithe was always from agricultural produce. How it transformed for this to monthly or weekly income can only be explained by modern day preachers.

7. The tithe mentioned under Moses was three type: that included giving to levite, giving to the poor, widows, etc and feasting by the tithers themselves. Which one are we to practise today, if indeed we are meant to tithe?

8. The tithe mentioned in Malachi 3 is an offshoot of the tithe that originated from the Mosaic law. The Malachi tithe ended in a curse. Believers today have been redeemed from the curse by Jesus being made a curse for us.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

9. Tithing, like circumcision, was both pre-law and within law, but Paul argued passionately that Christians are not bound to be circumcised. This argument can be applied to tithing too.

Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised tithes, Christ shall profit you nothing.

10. Tithing denies the grace of God: God has freely given us all things, as he gave us Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised tithes, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

So far, I have given what I would call 'scriptural' reasons for not tithing. I continue with 'non scriptural' but sensible reasons:

11. Historically tithing was first practised by Gentiles 700 after Christ.

12. Tithing is the institutional church means of supporting its bogus and unnecessary system.

13. Tithing became popular among Baptist, Mormon and Catholic churches with time, although recent popes do not emphasize tithing.

14. Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Spurgeon and some other former reputable men of God never preached tithing and spoke against it.

15. Tithing is not practical. Like in the case of the OP, many people are not sure how much to tithe; whether to tithe lottery monies; or tithe business capital or school fees; etc.

16. There is also the conflict either to pay tithe or to use the money to provide for a family need, buy drugs, ap fees, etc.

17. The word 'pay' shows that pay tithes today are doing according to the law because that word denotes fulfilling an obligation.

18. If tithing was to be limited to 'give' and not 'pay' it would be tendering more to the NT spirit that permit freedom in giving as we purpose in our hearts.

19. Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that we should follow after weightier matters of the law; thus tithing is not weighty. Paul in Romans 14 shows that matters of doctrine that are not weighty should be left to individuals to decide to do or not: there fore 'He that tithes, to the Lord he tithe... But he that does not tithe, to the Lord he does not tithe'.

20. In spite of the liberty Paul has given the church to follow in Romans 14, some insist that tithing must be compulsory; therefore, a worthy response to them is that tithing is not compulsory.

21. Lastly, for now, tithing feeds the flamboyant, ostentatious, arrogant, un Christlike, and selfishness of today's gospel preacher. Thus, to justify these lifestyle, the prosperity gospel is promulgated. The root of Jet, Limousine and mansion acquisitions is the tithe.

If anyone wishes to offer a rebuttal to the above 21 reasons, you are welcome but I will appreciate its one after the other and not just to refer to it all as false. Show us what is wrong with the aforementioned.

peteregwu:

thevway i see you, you bother yourself a lot. if you don't want to pay tithe, let it be. if your issue is those misusing it, then you don't understand your Christianity, it means you are still chasing shadows. wallowing in unfaithful Christianity. I dint see reason why a true Christian should be bothered about tithing. I can even give God all my possession If a led to, so long the church is an evangelical church that is involves in evangelism and preaching of the gospel.

let those that wil take care of money be for God sake. if you mindful of the time we are into now, my friend you will not bother yourself about money or who is eating the money secretely. my friend you should be bothered about going about preaching the word in buses, and with your megaphones on tye street.

the time is short!

DrummaBoy:

That was exactly what Tgirl said.



And get spammed again? Thank you. I cannot even remember the name now. I just quoted the person who refered us there and asked a question and suddenly my post was hidden and then I could not post again.

Thanks to Tgirl who helped clarify my position. That Seun guy is a genius. He has so set up the forum with Spams everywhere that if anything goes wrong anywhere his engines are on ground to run the show for him.

peteregwu:

some churches are doing what u just mentioned. Oh, I see, it's about the unfaithfulness of the livites right? in other words their is tithing approved by God? so, who is the person that will that judge the unfaithful pastors misusing tithes when the time comes?

peteregwu:

pastor pls whats d name of yr ministry? is tithing a sin?

peteregwu:

Matthew 26:9-11 KJV
For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. [10] When Jesus understood it , he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. [11] For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

alexleo:

Yeah the woman spent her costly ointment on the body of Christ. The body of Christ today is you and me who are christians. Not church building, not pastor and his family alone. That's why Jesus has this to say- in Matthew 25:41-46.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Now you can see that when you don't care for people you stand in danger of hell fire and when you do it you are ministering to the Lord according to verse 44. I am not against tithing and I don't want to call pastors names but I can tell you that the end time church is failing in this regard. That's why we have a lot of needy people in our midst. Its not enough to pray for long ours or preach long sermon. Little things such as this matters to Jesus. He said when we do it for the brethren we do it for him, we minister to him. Honestly there is no justifiable reason for a pastors account and his church account to be flowing in millions while there are needy ones in the church. The end time church seriously needs to go back to what the early church practiced. Thanks.

alexleo:

Yeah the woman spent her costly ointment on the body of Christ. The body of Christ today is you and me who are christians. Not church building, not pastor and his family alone. That's why Jesus has this to say- in Matthew 25:41-46.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Now you can see that when you don't care for people you stand in danger of hell fire and when you do it you are ministering to the Lord according to verse 44. I am not against tithing and I don't want to call pastors names but I can tell you that the end time church is failing in this regard. That's why we have a lot of needy people in our midst. Its not enough to pray for long ours or preach long sermon. Little things such as this matters to Jesus. He said when we do it for the brethren we do it for him, we minister to him. Honestly there is no justifiable reason for a pastors account and his church account to be flowing in millions while there are needy ones in the church. The end time church seriously needs to go back to what the early church practiced. Thanks.

Pastor Kun:

The name of my ministry is not relevant to this topic, however to answer your second question whilst pay tithes by believers is not a sin, it is a very grievous sin for preachers to preach tithing as a requirement for christians who are not under the law. This amounts to using God's name to defraud believers.

alexleo:

Yeah the woman spent her costly ointment on the body of Christ. The body of Christ today is you and me who are christians. Not church building, not pastor and his family alone. That's why Jesus has this to say- in Matthew 25:41-46.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Now you can see that when you don't care for people you stand in danger of hell fire and when you do it you are ministering to the Lord according to verse 44. I am not against tithing and I don't want to call pastors names but I can tell you that the end time church is failing in this regard. That's why we have a lot of needy people in our midst. Its not enough to pray for long ours or preach long sermon. Little things such as this matters to Jesus. He said when we do it for the brethren we do it for him, we minister to him. Honestly there is no justifiable reason for a pastors account and his church account to be flowing in millions while there are needy ones in the church. The end time church seriously needs to go back to what the early church practiced. Thanks.

christemmbassey: the BEST ive ever read from you, God bless you.

peteregwu:

ok, tithing is of the law right?

Pastor Kun:

Mandatory tithing as it is preached in most churches today based on Malachi 3:10 is definitely of the obsolete Mosaic laws.

peteregwu:

but who made it obsolete?

peteregwu:

brother does it mean u people dont tithe in your church...why?

peteregwu:

brother does it mean u people dont tithe in your church...why?

DrummaBoy:

Are U a learner?