frosbel:

There were no needy among them because their needs were met , if the bible says it , that's good enough for me.

Obviously needs are ongoing not static.

Fine, very fine. What you initially sid ws that there should not be ONE needy person in the church. i have pointed out to you that there. move on, bye.

Image123:

Fine, very fine. What you initially sid ws that there should not be ONE needy person in the church. i have pointed out to you that there. move on, bye.

You don't get it , do you.

I stand by what I said, spending money on brick and mortar while there are human needs in the church , and I mean immediate needs, is SIN.

Acts 4:34 NIV
New International Version
There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales

frosbel:


You don't get it , do you.

I stand by what I said, spending money on brick and mortar while there are human needs in the church , and I mean immediate needs, is SIN.

Acts 4:34 NIV
New International Version
There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales

one question sir, is there any needy in YOUR church

christemmbassey: ok bro, u 'PAY' tithe bc it 'ADD's' to u ? What u miss in Christ? U see d problem? If tithe did NOT ADD TO U, U WILL NOT PAY TITHE, pls can u tell us what tithe ADD TO U? ThatCchrist miss? i'm sure no one here is really concern on how u use ur money, all that we are intrested in is to get ppl out of this bondage u r in, how did u get this idea of tithe ADDING something to u? From d thieves of course. Jn10:10, the 'hirelings' whose duty is to spoil kill and destroy. Bro give money to ur church, but dont call it tithe thinking it adds anything to u while it doesnt, if u continue with this undastanding, u r like Esau whom d bibile refers to as 'a profane person' , u v fallen from grace bc Christ did not finish his work in ur life and u must pay some worthless nairas as tithes for ur life to b complet. WHAT A PITTY. i pray God's light shines upon u.

it gives me joy. when i see sinners like armed robbers, prostitutes, occult men, die hard sinners repenting, it makes me happy. and also we also make use of this money to go prison houses to minister to the prisoners, we use it for evangelism etc that's the joy am talking about.

this is what we do in the place where i worship.

The Spirit whispers and convicts; the enemy yells and condemns.The Spirit appeals to truth; the enemy to fear.The Spirit asks to be invited; the enemy demands to be listened to and obeyed.The Spirit invokes love,power,and a sound mind;the enemy fosters separation,self-righteousness and confusion.

As for the tithes,I'd rather believe the Holy Spirit conviction in my heart than a thousand yells and condemnation against it.Let God be the judge of my conscience.Thanks.

Bidam: The Spirit whispers and convicts; the enemy yells and condemns.The Spirit appeals to truth; the enemy to fear.The Spirit asks to be invited; the enemy demands to be listened to and obeyed.The Spirit invokes love,power,and a sound mind;the enemy fosters separation,self-righteousness and confusion.

As for the tithes,I'd rather believe the Holy Spirit conviction in my heart than a thousand yells and condemnation against it.Let God be the judge of my conscience.Thanks.

as for holy spirit conviction on tithe payment, i suspect malaria a+ o, pls go for test in a reputable lab, them malaria can b very trickish and funny, they can make u hear strange voices and see strange visions. Be vigilant Peace.

Bidam: The Spirit whispers and convicts; the enemy yells and condemns.The Spirit appeals to truth; the enemy to fear.The Spirit asks to be invited; the enemy demands to be listened to and obeyed.The Spirit invokes love,power,and a sound mind;the enemy fosters separation,self-righteousness and confusion.

As for the tithes,I'd rather believe the Holy Spirit conviction in my heart than a thousand yells and condemnation against it.Let God be the judge of my conscience.Thanks.

E be like say that new book wey you dey read na eim you get these ^ words from and you wan come take that one cajole people here abi? Anyway, those words are heavy and right but the final usage and intent is wrong sir - The Spirit will never tell you to do what is against the word as he uses the word as a platform for leading. Prove all things and hold unto that which is good is not out of place. Abeg try again later!

Goshen360:

E be like say that new book wey you dey read na eim you get these ^ words from and you wan come take that one cajole people here abi? Anyway, those words are heavy and right but the final usage and intent is wrong sir - The Spirit will never tell you to do what is against the word as he uses the word as a platform for leading. Prove all things and hold unto that which is good is not out of place. Abeg try again later!

Goshen, I will send you a message in five minutes. Pls check it and let me have a reply immediately

^ Okay bro. I will get but getting ready to step out. I will wait for you and reply immediately. Thanks.

peteregwu:

it gives me joy. when i see sinners like armed robbers, prostitutes, occult men, die hard sinners repenting, it makes me happy. and also we also make use of this money to go prison houses to minister to the prisoners, we use it for evangelism etc that's the joy am talking about.

this is what we do in the place where i worship.

so tithe money has taken d place of d holy spirit? Wonders shall never end.

Bidam: The Spirit whispers and convicts; the enemy yells and condemns.The Spirit appeals to truth; the enemy to fear.The Spirit asks to be invited; the enemy demands to be listened to and obeyed.The Spirit invokes love,power,and a sound mind;the enemy fosters separation,self-righteousness and confusion.

As for the tithes,I'd rather believe the Holy Spirit conviction in my heart than a thousand yells and condemnation against it.Let God be the judge of my conscience.Thanks.

my brother God bles u

christemmbassey: so tithe money has taken d place of d holy spirit? Wonders shall never end.

@ D'boy,

I haven't received the email yet. I guess I have to go now. I will reply from my phone at work. Take care bro.

Goshen360:

bros, i tire o. Gdmorning, how's God's blessings over there?

Goshen360: @ D'boy,

I haven't received the email yet. I guess I have to go now. I will reply from my phone at work. Take care bro.

Internet is messing up. U will find it when you return

christemmbassey: bros, i tire o. Gdmorning, how's God's blessings over there?

Already blessed, just manifesting and walking in that blessing. Not trying to pay tithe to be blessed and not expecting windows of heaven to be opened because it was already opened over Christ and since then, never closed on believers. Glory to God!

DrummaBoy:

Internet is messing up. U will find it when you return

No, but I can check on my phone though. I will see if it's something I have to reply from phone or wait till I return from work. Enjoy Your Friday bro. Thanks.

christemmbassey: as for holy spirit conviction on tithe payment, i suspect malaria a+ o, pls go for test in a reputable lab, them malaria can b very trickish and funny, they can make u hear strange voices and see strange visions. Be vigilant Peace.

hmmm....the bible is older than u. over thousands of yrs, many Christians have honoured tithing as means of giving to the Lord, but you from no where started condemning it. you say it is obsolete, that it is for the Israelites. but the bible says that they that don't pay it are thieves and robbers. hmmm...am afraid for those that don't believe the word of God. Jesus never came to destroy the law but to fulfill all that is written. Jesus deAth was to end sacrifice for sin, and not to obsolete tithing. and Jesus ending sacrifice for sin is not for us to continue in sin like others think, but to enable us to be qualified to walk in His righteousness in His grace.

so brethren if Jesus obsolete the law, then it means we are righteous even if we sin against Him. it means we can fornication, lie, steal, kill, masturbate, become gay etc. and at d end still enter heaven in sin, big fat lie. you guys are just liars an unbelieving believers.

Goshen360:

Already blessed, just manifesting and walking in that blessing. Not trying to pay tithe to be blessed and not expecting windows of heaven to be opened because it was already opened over Christ and since then, never closed on believers. Glory to God!



No, but I can check on my phone though. I will see if it's something I have to reply from phone or wait till I return from work. Enjoy Your Friday bro. Thanks.

grace and geace be multiplied unto you tro d knowledge of God and of Jesus our lord. 3. According as his divine power HATH(HAD) GIVEN UNTO US ALL THINGS that pertain unto life and Godliness. Some are waiting 4 God to open window, while we are inside d warehouse packing (lambanoing) as much as we can carry. More grace sir.

peteregwu:

hmmm....the bible is older than u. over thousands of yrs, many Christians have honoured tithing as means of giving to the Lord, but you from no where started condemning it. you say it is obsolete, that it is for the Israelites. but the bible says that they that don't pay it are thieves and robbers. hmmm...am afraid for those that don't believe the word of God. Jesus never came to destroy the law but to fulfill all that is written. Jesus deAth was to end sacrifice for sin, and not to obsolete tithing. and Jesus ending sacrifice for sin is not for us to continue in sin like others think, but to enable us to be qualified to walk in His righteousness in His grace.

so brethren if Jesus obsolete the law, then it means we are righteous even if we sin against Him. it means we can fornication, lie, steal, kill, masturbate, become gay etc. and at d end still enter heaven in sin, big fat lie. you guys are just liars an unbelieving believers.

dear brother no point getting urself worked up, i know what it is to b hit by na,ked TRUTH, some ppl never re cover from it devastations. All d points uve raised has been overfloged here on Nl, but since sm of us consider it a duty to deliver many from this bondage and if u think u are ready to know d truth, i dont mind, u can open a new thread lets discuss , d word of God has integrity, he can defend himself. There is no place in d bible where 'christians' are commanded to pay 10% of their wages every month end. And if it was possible for a man to bcome righteous and holy by himself, by any means Jesus would not come. God bless .

christemmbassey: as for holy spirit conviction on tithe payment, i suspect malaria a+ o, pls go for test in a reputable lab, them malaria can b very trickish and funny, they can make u hear strange voices and see strange visions. Be vigilant Peace.

Thanks for the dumb reply,but i heard that God takes no pleasure in the sacrifice of fools.

Goshen360:

E be like say that new book wey you dey read na eim you get these ^ words from and you wan come take that one cajole people here abi? Anyway, those words are heavy and right but the final usage and intent is wrong sir - The Spirit will never tell you to do what is against the word as he uses the word as a platform for leading. Prove all things and hold unto that which is good is not out of place. Abeg try again later!

Go siddon..If you have words to say NOT against the Spirit,Tithing is explicitly and unequivocally a clear biblical injunction so i am not going against the words of Jesus(Mathew 23:23)once again i will rather believe Jesus conviction in my heart for all scriptures are given by His inspiration and is profitable for conviction unto righteousness.

peteregwu:

my brother God bles u

Brother follow your heart and scriptures.This is the internet where carnal interpretations of scriptures goes.Indeed people are deceived.God help us.

Bidam: The Spirit whispers and convicts; the enemy yells and condemns.The Spirit appeals to truth; the enemy to fear.The Spirit asks to be invited; the enemy demands to be listened to and obeyed.The Spirit invokes love,power,and a sound mind;the enemy fosters separation,self-righteousness and confusion.

As for the tithes,I'd rather believe the Holy Spirit conviction in my heart than a thousand yells and condemnation against it.Let God be the judge of my conscience.Thanks.

As a tithe collector how won't you be convicted Are you sure it is the holy spirit that is convicting you or the spirit of mamon?

Pastor Kun:

As a tithe collector how won't you be convicted Are you sure it is the holy spirit that is convicting you or the spirit of mamon?

Let God be the judge of that Not you.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. (Romans 14:5-6).

Incase you want to interpret this scripture carnally as you do the others lemme explain.Paul wants the brethren to live at peace with one another and not argue or judge each other over their human opinions, which he calls "doubtful things" (Romans 14:1).

Bidam: Let God be the judge of that Not you.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. (Romans 14:5-6)

Ahhh... finally, you're coming to grasp with the truth.

Where is all those talk about Torah this... Torah that...

So what have we been saying all these days?

21 Reasons Why You Should Not Tithe Today:

1. The tithe was the tax instituted by God to sustain the levithical priesthood. This has been changed with d coming of Christ's eternal Priesthood that does not need tithing to sustain it, Hebrew 7:12.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law

2. Tithing is obligatory giving. 2 Cor 9:7 shows that NT giving should never be obligatory.

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

3. Abraham tithing, which some argue is pre-law, was a once for all thing and it was a tithe of spoil of war. Christian's incomes today is not war spoil. If we must tithe like Abraham, it must be once and for all and we must give the rest away like he did. God never demanded tithes from war spoils in all the wars Israel waged in the OT.

4. Jesus' mention of the tithe in Matthew 23:23 was in keeping with the Mosaic law, same way he commands those healed of diseases to report to the priest after he's healed them.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 8:3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. 4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, show thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

5. Paul, the leading NT author, never mentioned tithing in all his epistles, including the pastoral ones.

6. The tithe as mentioned in Abram's case, the law, Jesus, etc, was never hard core cash. The tithe was always from agricultural produce. How it transformed for this to monthly or weekly income can only be explained by modern day preachers.

7. The tithe mentioned under Moses was three type: that included giving to levite, giving to the poor, widows, etc and feasting by the tithers themselves. Which one are we to practise today, if indeed we are meant to tithe?

8. The tithe mentioned in Malachi 3 is an offshoot of the tithe that originated from the Mosaic law. The Malachi tithe ended in a curse. Believers today have been redeemed from the curse by Jesus being made a curse for us.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

9. Tithing, like circumcision, was both pre-law and within law, but Paul argued passionately that Christians are not bound to be circumcised. This argument can be applied to tithing too.

Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised tithes, Christ shall profit you nothing.

10. Tithing denies the grace of God: God has freely given us all things, as he gave us Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised tithes, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

So far, I have given what I would call 'scriptural' reasons for not tithing. I continue with 'non scriptural' but sensible reasons:

11. Historically tithing was first practised by Gentiles 700 after Christ.

12. Tithing is the institutional church means of supporting its bogus and unnecessary system.

13. Tithing became popular among Baptist, Mormon and Catholic churches with time, although recent popes do not emphasize tithing.

14. Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Spurgeon and some other former reputable men of God never preached tithing and spoke against it.

15. Tithing is not practical. Like in the case of the OP, many people are not sure how much to tithe; whether to tithe lottery monies; or tithe business capital or school fees; etc.

16. There is also the conflict either to pay tithe or to use the money to provide for a family need, buy drugs, ap fees, etc.

17. The word 'pay' shows that pay tithes today are doing according to the law because that word denotes fulfilling an obligation.

18. If tithing was to be limited to 'give' and not 'pay' it would be tendering more to the NT spirit that permit freedom in giving as we purpose in our hearts.

19. Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that we should follow after weightier matters of the law; thus tithing is not weighty. Paul in Romans 14 shows that matters of doctrine that are not weighty should be left to individuals to decide to do or not: there fore 'He that tithes, to the Lord he tithe... But he that does not tithe, to the Lord he does not tithe'.

20. In spite of the liberty Paul has given the church to follow in Romans 14, some insist that tithing must be compulsory; therefore, a worthy response to them is that tithing is not compulsory.

21. Lastly, for now, tithing feeds the flamboyant, ostentatious, arrogant, un Christlike, and selfishness of today's gospel preacher. Thus, to justify these lifestyle, the prosperity gospel is promulgated. The root of Jet, Limousine and mansion acquisitions is the tithe.

Bidam: Go siddon..If you have words to say NOT against the Spirit,Tithing is explicitly and unequivocally a clear biblical injunction so i am not going against the words of Jesus(Mathew 23:23)once again i will rather believe Jesus conviction in my heart for all scriptures are given by His inspiration and is profitable for conviction unto righteousness.

I give you TWO versions of Matthew 23:23 in a zoom mode.

1. Jesus talking to the SCRIBES & PHARISEES in this mode - SCRIBE & PHARISEE version:

New American Standard Bible
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.



2. Jesus talking to the APOSTLES & THE CHURCH OF CHRIST, that wasn't birth yet at this time - APOSTLES & CHURCH version:

New American Standard Bible
"Woe to you, Apostles and the Church\Body of Christ, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

How does it read in your ears?

^ Goshen, you got mails. Please read the latest (9.40) and let us have a response ASAP

^ Yes, I know. Stepped out and replying immediately.

Goshen360:



I give you TWO versions of Matthew 23:23 in a zoom mode.

1. Jesus talking to the SCRIBES & PHARISEES in this mode - SCRIBE & PHARISEE version:

New American Standard Bible
"Woe to you, BIDAM and image123, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.



2. Jesus talking to the APOSTLES & THE CHURCH OF CHRIST, that wasn't birth yet at this time - APOSTLES & CHURCH version:

New American Standard Bible
"Woe to you, Apostles and the Church\Body of Christ, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

How does it read in your ears?

Goshen360:



I give you TWO versions of Matthew 23:23 in a zoom mode.

1. Jesus talking to the SCRIBES & PHARISEES in this mode - SCRIBE & PHARISEE version:

New American Standard Bible
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.



2. Jesus talking to the APOSTLES & THE CHURCH OF CHRIST, that wasn't birth yet at this time - APOSTLES & CHURCH version:

New American Standard Bible
"Woe to you, Apostles and the Church\Body of Christ, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

How does it read in your ears?

latest edition of matt23:23

DrummaBoy: Let me help (Bidam) with a post I made on another thread, note number 19:

Reasons Why You Should Not Tithe Today:

Let me also help you as to why tithing is biblically scriptural.

1. The tithe was the tax instituted by God to sustain the levithical priesthood. This has been changed with d coming of Christ's eternal Priesthood that does not need tithing to sustain it, Hebrew 7:12.

Wrong.This "change of the law"—the ceremonial law of sacrifices, ritual washings and other rites pertaining to the Tabernacle/Temple and priesthood—applies only to the administration of tithing (verse 12). Since the tithing law predates the Levitical priesthood, and is thus still in force, tithes are now to be given to Jesus Christ, our High Priest, for use by the church.

2. Tithing is obligatory giving. 2 Cor 9:7 shows that NT giving should never be obligatory.

And that was why i quoted that scripture to pastor kun,it is the Holy Spirit that will convict you whether to tithe or not.Nobody is forcing any one to tithe as a new testament believer.You don't just quote only one passage from the bible and neglect clear passages throughout the Bible on the tithe.All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

3. Abraham tithing, which some argue is pre-law, was a once for all thing and it was a tithe of spoil of war. Christian's incomes today is not war spoil. If we must tithe like Abraham, it must be once and for all and we must give the rest away like he did. God never demanded tithes from war spoils in all the wars Israel waged in the OT.

I call this a carnal interpretation of scripture,so because Abraham tithes from the spoils of war,we shouldn't tithe abi? The bible only gave one account of Abraham tithe but that is not to say Giving(tithing)wasn't his way of life.He might be consistent in tithing to God.One record is enough for us,spoils of war or not because the Abrahamic covenant is still in force today we ought to tithe,or can you show me from scripture where it was abolished?The Abrahamic covenant is foundational to all of Scripture. It is the key to both the Old and New Testaments and is
foundational to the whole program of redemption. All subsequent revelation is the outworking of this covenant. This
covenant, and the subsequent covenant framework, is the key to understanding Scripture.

4. Jesus' mention of the tithe in Matthew 23:23 was in keeping with the Mosaic law, same way he commands those healed of diseases to report to the priest after he's healed them.

Jesus never abolished the law,rather he fulfilled the intent of the law,which we ought to imitate since we have the Holy Spirit. "These you ought to have done [justice, mercy and faith], without leaving the others [tithing] undone."
(1 Timothy 6:3-4) "If any man teach otherwise, and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,"

5. Paul, the leading NT author, never mentioned tithing in all his epistles, including the pastoral ones.

You think so?1 CORINTHIANS 9:7-11 (Paul)
7 Who goes to war any time at his own expense? who plants a vineyard, and does not eat of the fruit of it? or who feeds a flock, and does not drink of the milk of the flock?
8 Do I say these things as a man? or does not the law say the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, You shall not muzzle the mouth of the ox who treads out the corn. Does God take care for oxen?
10 Or does he say it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he who ploughs should plough in hope; and that he who threshes in hope should be a partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown to you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
. You don't need a prophet to tell you this scripture was referring to the tithes because he quoted copiously from the OT laws.Paul never wanted to be a burden to the gentile church since they were babes in matters regarding God's covenant.He was gradually building them up until they understand it themselves.Remember of all the seven churches Paul planted it was only the Philippians church that understood and partnered with him.

6. The tithe as mentioned in Abram's case, the law, Jesus, etc, was never hard core cash. The tithe was always from agricultural produce. How it transformed for this to monthly or weekly income can only be explained by modern day preachers

that's an inexcusable cop out because everyone knows that those days they were predominantly an agrarian society. A vital principle to remember concerning the Old and New Covenants is that what did not originate with the Old Covenant did not die with it.Today money is the legal tender which has economic value in a societal setting. Everything that exists belongs to God, He has the right to keep everything for Himself, but He chooses to share with human beings. He does not need to pay or repay anyone, or ask us for anything. Silver and gold are symbolic of everything of value.

The tithe mentioned under Moses was three type: that included giving to levite, giving to the poor, widows, etc and feasting by the tithers themselves. Which one are we to practise today, if indeed we are meant to tithe?

As much as possible we are to practice all of it.
DEUTERONOMY 14:28-29
28 At the end of three years you will bring forth all the tithe of your increase the same year, and you will lay it up within your gates:
29 And the Levite, (because he has no part nor inheritance with you,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.


DEUTERONOMY 26:12-13
12 When you have made an end of tithing all the tithes of your increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and have given it to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within your gates, and be filled;

13 Then you will say before the LORD your God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of my house, and also have given them to the Levite, and to the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all your commandments which you have commanded me: I have not transgressed your commandments, neither have I forgotten them:

@bolded can be seen applicable even in new testament settings in Acts 6.

ACTS 6:1-4
1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples to them, and said, It is not right that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
3 Therefore, brethren, look out from among yourselves seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.

Note: No matter whether we look in the Old or New Testament, God has always expected his people to make a provision for widows and orphans, and we see here that this was one of the uses for the tithes. Helping those who are in hardship like orphans is just an expression of love for people who may be suffering through no fault of their own, and so is part of fulfilling the law (Romans 8:4; 13:10), and the command of Jesus, "You shall love your neighbour as yourself." (Matthew 22:39).

8. The tithe mentioned in Malachi 3 is an offshoot of the tithe that originated from the Mosaic law. The Malachi tithe ended in a curse. Believers today have been redeemed from the curse by Jesus being made a curse for us.

The curse came as a result of disobedience from the priesthood.Even if Christ has redeem you from the curse of the Law should you go on sinning? of cos not.Human reasoning like yours can of cos try to negate the word but not without consequences.One principle which is eternal and cannot be changed is that to receive blessings even though we are blessed by the redemptive package of Christ in heavenly places requires natural act of obedience. For God is at work in us to will and to do of his good pleasure.It is just like prayers,fasting and studying God's word.We ought to present our bodies as living sacrifices.That is what Christian Maturity is all about.

9. Tithing, like circumcision, was both pre-law and within law, but Paul argued passionately that Christians are not bound to be circumcised. This argument can be applied to tithing too.

This is a vague and foolish argument against the tithe since the Abrahamic covenant is for all generations[/b].[b]Jesusislord85 has done justice to the issue of circumcision.It might do you some good to check it out.lemme quote some of his statement if you are that lazy to see the thread lemme quote it.

Genesis 17:9-14:
"And God said unto Abraham: 'And as for thee, thou shalt keep My covenant, thou, and thy seed after thee throughout their generations. This is My covenant, which ye shall keep, between Me and you and thy seed after thee: every male among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of a covenant betwixt Me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every male throughout your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any foreigner, that is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised; and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken My covenant.'"

Jesus said in John 8:39 “If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham”

Paul’s teaching in Romans 2

Romans 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
Romans 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

The group being addressed are Jews.
Romans 2:25 "For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision."

By the term "Circumcision", Paul is referring to ‘Jewishness’, those born into the covenant. The only ones in covenant at the time was the two tribe southern Kingdom (Judah and Benjamin). He likens a Jew who does not keep the law to a person outside the covenant, i.e. a Gentile.

Romans 2:26 "Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?"

Here is an interesting verse and one we often misunderstand. Here, Paul likens a Gentile who obeys Torah to a Jew. At this point you are probably thinking the verse suggests that, by keeping the law, that counts as circumcision for the gentile, so they don’t need to keep the law.
But wait. To keep the righteousness of the law, one would need to be circumcised since it is included in the law.

Therefore, this passage would contradict itself if we take the word ‘uncircumcision’ to mean anything other than a non-jew/gentile. Take that, and re-read this text and now there is no more confusion. Here, Paul is rebuking the Jews because they are displaying pride and they boast because they are the children of promise and were given the law. So you see, the context here is not circumcision per se, but Jewishness.

Romans 2:27 "And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law"?

In other words: 'If a Gentile (born without the law) obeys the law, couldn't he judge you, you who are Jewish through covenant (letter), when you transgress the law?' Paul makes a good point. Which counts more? Righteousness without covenant and birth right, or unrighteousness having covenant and birth right? Paul brought the gospel to the gentiles and saw many coming into faith in Jesus Christ, and is saying that the Jews cannot boast on account of the fact they are Jews by birth right.

Romans 2:28-29 “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

Again, Paul is giving his Jewish brethren a good dressing down. They have outward circumcision in accordance with the covenant i.e. circumcised at eight days old. But a true Jew (note, Jew, not ‘christian’) also has circumcision of the heart, in the spirit, which isn't performed as a ritual for others to see, but for God alone. Please note, Paul is NOT criticising physical circumcision here. It is ordered as part of Abrahamic covenant and also in Torah. He is saying that the Jews should seek to be on a deeper level with God, being circumcised of the heart. Physical circumcision, while necessary, is on its own, not sufficient.

Romans 3:1-2 “What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.”
The above verses re-emphasise that the passage we have looked at was directed only to Pauls Jewish brethren.

One thing to keep in mind from this passage is that ‘circumcision’ and ‘uncircumcision’ are interchangeable for ‘Jewish’ and ‘Gentile’, and are not strictly reflecting the covenant command.
Paul says:
Ephesians 2:11 "Wherefore remember, that in the past you were Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands."
Uncircumcision was used loosely to mean "Gentile."

https://www.nairaland.com/1397669/circumcision-explained

10. Tithing denies the grace of God: God has freely given us all things, as he gave us Jesus Christ.

This is a pack of lies and gross misrepresentation and wrong interpretation of scriptures.Grace is already available in Christ.We ought to reciprocate our love for him because he first loved us and gave himself for us.But how do we do that?JOHN 14:15 (Jesus)
15 If you love me, keep my commandments.


1 JOHN 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


2 JOHN 5-6
5 And now I beseech you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

(John 14:21-24) "He who has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is who loves me: ... If a man loves me, he will keep my word: ... He who does not love me does not keep not my sayings: and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me."

(John 12:48) "He who rejects me, and does not receive my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same will judge him in the last day."


Jesus is now "the author of eternal salvation to all those who obey him." (Hebrews 5:9). The apostle Paul also confirmed the importance of Jesus' words:

(1 Timothy 6:3-4) "If any man teach otherwise, and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,".


According to Jesus' words, if we say that we love him, but do not pay our tithes, then we are a liar, and where would that leave our salvation?

So far, I have given what I would call 'scriptural' reasons for not tithing. I continue with 'non scriptural' but sensible reasons:

I don't need to quote the historical thrash you wrote up there because biblical system of tithing has been a point of controversy among Christians for years.so it's not a new thing you are saying here on nairaland.
Calvin and co believe in 100% giving,let's even be sincere how many of you guys against tithing have been able to give a 100%? I agree that the tithe has been perverted by the clergy who in their appeal for tithe use manipulation and fear to motivate the people to part with their money. Unfortunately in many religious settings,tithing has become the preeminent doctrine of the church.What should be a doctrine of great purpose and connection through the Abrahamic covenant has now become a doctrine of separation.Pastors demand tithe,but it is often out of a desire for, or perceive right to,income than a desire for the welfare of the saints.Little wonder you have jumped from one church to another for more than 25yrs just because you feel they are wrong in the tithe doctrine,but that has cause more damage to your spiritual orderliness if you care to admit rather than a strong covenant relationship with God.You will never comprehend the fullness of Jesus if you keep using your human reasoning to interpret scriptures rather than faith in God's word.Shalom.

christemmbassey: ;Dlatest edition of matt23:23

Man of God, I have told you in the past and will repeat it again - na comedian you suppose go do ooo. LWKMD!!! ...real hard.