@ Laalamed Nurses care for patients not disease entities or drug manufacturing processes.
We study pharmacology and chemotherapy though and we know a lot to take care of our patients.

biomedixexcel: Leave surgery out of it, I can manage a patient effectively. Have you ever seen a standard private lab that prescribes drugs.? Little you know baby doctors

you can also do surgery. but make sure u start from ur families.

Joanna Sedley: @ Laalamed Nurses care for patients not disease entities or drug manufacturing processes.
We study pharmacology and chemotherapy though and we know a lot to take care of our patients.

have u heard about pharmaceutical nursing?or haemovigilance nursing? it is problems among doctors,nurses and pharmacists that lead to emergence of allied health professionals that are now creating problems for us.

Laalamed:

you can also do surgery. but make sure u start from ur families.

Another no brainer

Most of this ranting doctors cannot dictate to a smallest of the nurses in real life. I always enjoy doctors vs nurses in hospital!

Most of the experienced doctors know the importance of other health practitioners but all other new age doctors are arrogant and they fumble at last, leave nairaland, come and see there secret in real life

ACM10:

Who says that doctors are not certified to do it? Your ignorance knows no bound. Do you think that 3rd MB programme is of no consequence? By the way, I can also decide to do my residency in your field. It seems like very few of you knows that doctors received an all encompassing training in medical field. You also forgot to note that lab science is in the original job description of doctors, which they decided to delegate to some group of people. Seriously, we want the lab scientists to continue with this strike. Those guys are a drag on our job. If you ask them to do a simple PCV, they will start telling you how difficult it is to do it. Our patient almost died from an incompatible blood given to her, after the lab scientist spent four hours crossmatching it. Most of my friends who failed out from medicine found mls an easy course. Tomorrow they will tell me that their training is comparatively better than mine.

Doctors are not certified to perform such, see Laalameds post. Except you are a pathologist, i am sorry but you are commiting quakery .

biomedixexcel:
Another no brainer

dog. how many lecturers slept with before u graduated? if u can manage patients effectively go ahead now who stops u. little brat.

princenonny: sori bro if my form of attack on u johesuans is violent bt I had to cme dwn to d level of ur IQ so I wud stick it into ur heads that u guys r of little importance in health care. Imagine buterflies calling demselves birds. Drs r nt only birds bt we r eagles. So I hv to put u in ur place

faculty/Course syndrome is ur problem.what u know is in ur head alone.respect other fields of learning.afterall,you might get buried by illitrate undertakers who have mastered the art of conveying a coffin to its burial site.

biomedixexcel: Most of this ranting doctors cannot dictate to a smallest of the nurses in real life. I always enjoy doctors vs nurses in hospital!

why should doctors dictate to nurses. doctors outline management plan and nurses do their jobs. if doctors need anything they ask nurses since they are in charge of the wards and clinics.any doctor that dictates to any health worker is stupid.

doofanc:

The other health professionals also have their own respective councils and associations that determine what is best for their members, NMCN, PCN, MLCN, etc. MDCN should concern itself only with what affects doctors.

When other associations agitate for increase in salary, better professional standards, etc for their members, MCDN or NMA should cease from interfering.

and when nma or mdcn is agitating for better pay,professional standards,professional autonomy JOHESU must not interfere.ok.

Joanna Sedley: Doctors are not certified to perform such, see Laalameds post. Except you are a pathologist, i am sorry but you are commiting quakery .

It seems like you have problem comprehending medical terms. Who is a pathologist? Doctors can do those investigations if they want. But does so on few occasions, especially for research purposes and cases of academic importance. By the way, lab scientist do the tests, doctors report. Doctors can differentiate between a report by a pathologist and a lab scientist. Doctors that perform the job of a lab scientist are not commiting quackery, but a lab scientist that does the reverse is a quack. The difference is clear.

The College of American
Pathologists ("CAP", is a medical
society serving more than 18,000
physician members and the
laboratory community throughout the
world. It is headquartered in
Northfield, Illinois.
It is the world’s largest association
composed exclusively of pathologists
certified by the American Board of
Pathology, [1] and is widely considered
the leader in laboratory quality
assurance. The College is an advocate
for high-quality and cost-effective
medical care. [2] It is also affiliated
with the American Medical Association
(AMA). [3] CAP does accreditation of
laboratories under deemed authority
by CMS (Medicare). It also offers an
accreditation service to help
laboratories earn accreditation under
ISO 15189 Medical Laboratories. In
November 2008, Piedmont Medical
Laboratory of Winchester, Virginia
became the first laboratory in the
United States [4] to be officially
accredited under ISO 15189.
Pathologists play an integral role in the
primary health care team. They are
physicians who obtain and interpret
data as the result of examination of
tissues, blood, and other body fluids
for diagnosis and patient care. CAP
members are involved in a broad
range of disciplines, including surgical
pathology, cytopathology,
dermatopathology, neuropathology,
forensic pathology, blood banking/
transfusion medicine, clinical
chemistry, microbiology,
immunopathology, hematology,
genetics, and molecular pathology.
As of September 10, 2011, the current
president of the CAP is Stanley J.
Robboy, MD, FCAP.

www.wikipedia.com


it is only in nigeria that mlscn/amlsn is fighting pathologists over laboratories.

The American College of Radiology
(ACR ), founded in 1923, is a non-
profit professional medical association
composed of diagnostic radiologists,
radiation oncologists, interventional
radiologists, nuclear medicine
physicians, and medical physicists. It is
based in Reston, Virginia , with offices
in Philadelphia , and Washington, D.C.
The college publishes The Journal of
the American College of Radiology
(JACR ) and The ACR Bulletin.
Appropriateness criteria
During the 1990s, the ACR undertook
a massive project to define national
guidelines for appropriate use of
imaging technologies. The product of
this effort is called the ACR
Appropriateness Criteria (ACR-AC).
The ACRAC were formally introduced
during testimony by K.K. Wallace, MD
(then chair of ACR Board of
Chancellors) to the House Ways and
Means Committee in 1993. Dr. Wallace
indicated that the ACR stood ready to
define a system of patient care
guidelines for radiology to eliminate
inappropriate utilization of radiologic
services (Cascade 1994).
Following appointment of panel chairs
in late 1993, the first panelists were
selected during early 1994 and by
spring, deliberations had begun
(Cascade 2000). Ten years later, the
ACRAC are the only comprehensive
North American practice guidelines for
diagnostic imaging selection,
radiotherapy protocols, and
indications for image guided
interventional procedures. They
embody the best current evidence for
choosing appropriate imaging
evaluation and interventional
procedures for a large number of
clinical conditions.
Further, the ACR has committed to
continuously updating the content of
these guidelines and has developed
the human resources infrastructure to
carry this out in the future. By 1999
there were 210 clinicians and
scientists serving on 10 panels. These
include 35 representatives from 19
specialties other than radiology. The
2000 version contained over 140
clinical conditions with 820 variants.
Currently, the ACR website lists over
190 conditions with more than 900
variants.
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Mammography accreditation
The ACR provides the only national
accreditation program for
mammography. The Mammography
Quality Standards Act of 1992 requires
all mammographers in the United
States and its territories be accredited
by a federally approved private non-
profit or state accreditation body.
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Political Action Committee
By 2006, the bipartisan political action
committee for the ACR (RADPAC) had
become the second largest medical
specialty PAC - only four years after its
creation.
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ACR Career Center
The ACR also hosts the ACR Career
Center, one of the largest job sites
specifically for radiologists. Employers
are carefully screened and recruiters
are not allowed, making the ACR
Career Center the best place to find a
job. The site is meant to be a "user-
friendly meeting place for individual
employers and job seekers." In
addition to the online resources, the
ACR Career Center also provides an
on-site interview service in late
November.
The ACR Career Center was previously
known as the ACR Professional
Bureau. It began a dramatic
transformation in July 2008 from a
simple job board to a full service
career center. One of the most
notable additions is an E-Library of
resources for both employers and job
seekers to assist in the recruiting and
hiring process, as well as provide
advice for on the job issues.

www.wikipedia.com

and in nigeria radiograhers do not want see radiologists.

Joanna Sedley:
No we are not a team with your analysis. Open any nursing textbook to know what they actually do. Imagine using mgt plans proposed by another person that means you alone don't actually practise medicine but the the nurses too practice the sacred profession with you. Nursing incorporate medical mgt in the plan of nursing care. The same way doctors incorporate Lab results, xrays,etc in diagnosis.
Nurses focus on human response to disease condition while doctors focus on the disease process.
Nurses develops nursing care plan that emphasizes on focusing on wholistic and individualised pattern of human behaviour that can affect the recovery process.
People comment on how nurses treat, care for them when they travel out, you often wonder why. The why is because you don't have this type of rivalry here everybody has an opportunity to reach the zenith of their profession without any hitch. There, they are fighting for improved scope of practice and it seems they are getting it.
@@doctors, just hold on firmly on surgery cos thinking otherwise is living in denial. Every branch of medicine has a nurse specialising in it, next it will be improve scope of practice,-next prescribing power; this is happening now in US; UK now has non-doctors that performs minor surgery. I am not exaggerating, doctors should just beware: that people can't do what you do no longer applies here.
Midwives are being train by UK surgeons to perform CS in mozambique, if the spate of our maternal and infant mortality doesn't reduce with the Midwives service Scheme, what made you think politicians won't request for such ie incorporation of CS in their curiculum in Nigeria.

So what u are implying is that nurses follow their own plan leaving out the medical plan given by d doctors just to prove to the world that they are independent, thereby endangering d lives of patients. I can really see why things fall apart.

Going by d history of healthcare, medicine started long before other arms of healthcare. Nursing actually started during world war( either d 1st or 2nd) when a group of women led by Florence Nightingale volunteered to help doctors to attend to wounded soldiers on d battle field. Before then, doctors used to see patients all alone which included carrying out tests and compounding of drugs. When d medical workload became more complex, d need for helping hands was inevitable,hence d birth of allied health professionals. They started as technicians trained by doctors and d rest is history. So, lab science, pharmacology were andd are still part of medicine. They were not borrowed.

ACM10:

It seems like you have problem comprehending medical terms. Who is a pathologist? Doctors can do those investigations if they want. But does so on few occasions, especially for research purposes and cases of academic importance. By the way, lab scientist do the tests, doctors report. Doctors can differentiate between a report by a pathologist and a lab scientist. Doctors that perform the job of a lab scientist are not commiting quackery, but a lab scientist that does the reverse is a quack. The difference is clear.

I think she is referring to the fact that you are not licensed to conduct lab investigations as an MBBS holder but as a pathologist you can go head. As a junior Reg in my chosen field , honestly wandering into a lab with just what you are taught in school without adequate skills, knowledge because you want to prove a point, to me it reeks of misplaced arrogance and placing the life or patients at risks.

phantom: idiotic post....you failed out of medicine and ended up in med lab science and you now want to eat the same salary with doctors.you want to be consultants so that you and the consultant doctor go dey argue over patients.....olodo.....lol.go back to school and pass 2nd MB if to answer doctor dey sweet you.clown!

wetin d guy do u, wey u de vex lyk dis. Med lab. Sci. No b olodo course, and its only a sch. Of low standard dat wil withdraw sm1 4rm medcine and take him 2 med lab sci. If u tink am jokin come 2 med lab. Sci. In udusok, make u no read

biomedixexcel: Most of the experienced doctors know the importance of other health practitioners but all other new age doctors are arrogant and they fumble at last, leave nairaland, come and see there secret in real life

leave them. All they know how to do is rant online, in real life , they are as scared as hell.
Let the nurses go for their BNsc , that will give them some upfront.
Arrogant doctors irritates me, u dont want to cross path with them.

0key:

So what u are implying is that nurses follow their own plan leaving out the medical plan given by d doctors just to prove to the world that they are independent, thereby endangering d lives of patients. I can really see why things fall apart.

Going by d history of healthcare, medicine started long before other arms of healthcare. Nursing actually started during world war( either d 1st or 2nd) when a group of women led by Florence Nightingale volunteered to help doctors to attend to wounded soldiers on d battle field. Before then, doctors used to see patients all alone which included carrying out tests and compounding of drugs. When d medical workload became more complex, d need for helping hands was inevitable,hence d birth of allied health professionals. They started as technicians trained by doctors and d rest is history. So, lab science, pharmacology were andd are still part of medicine. They were not borrowed.

i forsee a chaotic healthcare delivery where health workers take over jobs of doctors and vice versa. this chaos will be caused by indecisive govt and politics. at the end of chaos all now go back to the basis. jobs of all professionals would be well-defined.

Dr young: I think she is referring to the fact that you are not licensed to conduct lab investigations as an MBBS holder but as a pathologist you can go head. As a junior Reg in my chosen field , honestly wandering into a lab with just what you are taught in school without adequate skills, knowledge because you want to prove a point, to me it reeks of misplaced arrogance and placing the life or patients at risks.

alas! Not all have overbloated ego. Tnx for posting without sentiments!

#me@:

leave them. All they know how to do is rant online, in real life , they are as scared as hell.
Let the nurses go for their BNsc , that will give them some upfront.
Arrogant doctors irritates me, u dont want to cross path with them.

in hospitals there are arrogant doctors,wicked nurses,stupid medical lab scientists, fraudlent administrative staff,unfriedly radiographers,etc. no saint. let us call a spade a spade.

Laalamed:
dog. how many lecturers slept with before u graduated? if u can manage patients effectively go ahead now who stops u. little brat.

now, you are sound frustrated and restless. Please take it easy, m sure you know the effects of high BP, not cool at all. Pele, takia

#me@:

alas! Not all have overbloated ego. Tnx for posting without sentiments!

learn also to post without sentiments.

#me@:

now, you are sound frustrated and restless. Please take it easy, m sure you know the effects of high BP, not cool at all. Pele, takia

she started the abuse and she need to get it back. in thread like this u do not abuse. present ur facts and move on. why abuse others cos they have different viewpoints. i have heard a lab scientist that said she hated doctor and she later married a doctor.

Dr young: I think she is referring to the fact that you are not licensed to conduct lab investigations as an MBBS holder but as a pathologist you can go head. As a junior Reg in my chosen field , honestly wandering into a lab with just what you are taught in school without adequate skills, knowledge because you want to prove a point, to me it reeks of misplaced arrogance and placing the life or patients at risks.

First of all, there is nothing like junior reg. We have only registrars and senior registrars I hate imposters with passion. If you cannot be trusted on a small issue, how can we trust you on a bigger one?

Secondly, no one is displacing the lab scientists from their job. I am only alluding to the fact that we can do their job if need be. So, lab scientists should not feel that they are indispensable. Surely, the events of the last few days must have taught them lesson.

#me@:

leave them. All they know how to do is rant online, in real life , they are as scared as hell.
Let the nurses go for their BNsc , that will give them some upfront.
Arrogant doctors irritates me, u dont want to cross path with them.

they have to scare for their lives because JOHESU has brainwashed u guys and u are ready to waste lives because of industrial disharmony. many doctors have been injured because of ur militant behaviour.

nid 2 be in a teachin hospital
to c d paucity of knowledge and deficit in abstract finkin of
these nurses,even d so called pharmacist.a doctor who is
eligible 2 become d CMD or a consultant mst ve spent an
average of 10 years in d hospital jst for residency excludin
7yrs in medical skul.mst nurses in teachin hospitals spend
jst 3yrs 2 get a diploma trainin 2 qualify dem 2 bcome
nurses.nd dese MORONs wanna becom CMD,i do rather
resign dan practice as doctor under a nurse

ACM10:

First of all, there is nothing like junior reg. We have only registrars and senior registrars I hate imposters with passion. If you cannot be trusted on a small issue, how can we trust you on a bigger one?

Secondly, no one is displacing the lab scientists from their job. I am only alluding to the fact that we can do their job if need be. So, lab scientists should not feel that they are indispensable. Surely, the events of the last few days must have taught them lesson.

I am not in Nigeria, I used a term which I believe will be equivalent to what you have there. How about second year resident.
And I am telling you that it is quarkery if you are not licensed to do it. If you ever cross over to this part of the world you will be frustrated cos nobody has a time to massage anybody's ego. There is job description bro stick to yours . Nigeria lawyers are really sleeping or else every worker should be working on toes to avoid malpractice and negligence lawyers. That I don't tow your line of reasoning shoudn't make me an impostor.

Dr young: I think she is referring to the fact that you are not licensed to conduct lab investigations as an MBBS holder but as a pathologist you can go head. As a junior Reg in my chosen field , honestly wandering into a lab with just what you are taught in school without adequate skills, knowledge because you want to prove a point, to me it reeks of misplaced arrogance and placing the life or patients at risks.

chairman,despite the facts roles of pathologists are well-defined in scheme of services,mls do not want to see pathologists in lab. as a fresh medical graduate u have little skill of each medical speciality until u receive further training.

Dr young: I am not in Nigeria, I used a term which I believe will be equivalent to what you have there. How about second year resident.
And I am telling you that it is quarkery if you are not licensed to do it. If you ever cross over to this part of the world you will be frustrated cos nobody has a time to massage anybody's ego. There is job description bro stick to yours . Nigeria lawyers are really sleeping or else every worker should be working on toes to avoid malpractice and negligence lawyers. That I don't tow your line of reasoning shoudn't make me an impostor.

When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Now tell me the part of the world where the term "junior reg" is used?

Doctors are highly over rated in dis country wen its absolutely glaring dy cnt discharge d health care duties alone.If only peepz realise how much d pharmacists save lots of lives frm correctin over or under- dosed prescriptions.The role of Nurses nd med lab scientists too can not b over emphasised.Those house officerz na dem dy ghock pass sef....Make I hear word abeg.

It's obvious that most of the blabbing doctors here are learners, I mean they are yet to graduate and the prove to know more than their elders in the job, one said above that medical lab students are medicine dropouts! Well in my the school from which I was trained, I can't point to a single student that dropouts from medicine and took solace in med lab, they rather go to other courses, not even in college of medicine but in agriculture and sciences. Same thing is applicable to mls dropouts, they go to other courses outside basic medical sciences . In case you don't know I represent LAUTECH.