I decided to start this teaching out of no time because there're many on this forum that teaches that the New Covenant is a continuation of the Old Covenant. There's no where the scripture teaches the New is a continuation of Old but on the contrary, the New is different from the Old. What we have today are Christians trying to study the Old covenant, of which they don't belong to while they have a new and better covenant in\through Christ.

Let me first say this, without studying the Old covenant, one might not understand the new but that doesn't mean the old is what we are under or covenant we (Christians) should bind ourselves to or practice for our application. We have a better covenant in\through Christ's finished works and the Cross of Christ is the great divider of the Old and New Covenant.

But when God found fault with the people, he said: "The day is coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and led them out of the land of Egypt. They did not remain faithful to my covenant, so I turned my back on them, says the LORD. Hebrews 8:8-9

The above ^ scripture confirms to us that the promised and fulfilled New Covenant is NOT like the Old and therefore is NOT a continuation but different covenant. When God was ready to fulfill his words, Christ came to establish this new covenant by his death and shedding of blood.

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Many Christians are trying to practice the Old covenant along with the new not realizing the Old is null and void, Heb. 8:7-13. The Old covenant was between God and Israel alone but the New is between God and the church enforced by the blood of Christ. What the Old covenant couldn't accomplish is what Christ did and so, we refer to it as a better and finished works of Christ.

The Old Covenant is a revelation of God in the righteous requirement and standard of the law. Which was a conditional covenant. That is, one must do something for God to do another thing. The New Covenant is the revelation of God (from Christ to Apostle Paul and other Apostles) in the righteous Son who empowers those who believe and receive it to become adopted children of God was an unconditional covenant. The purpose of this new covenant is to do what the Old Covenant could not. The New Covenant is based on the shed blood which signed and sealed the covenant under the Mosaic covenant the shed blood of animals could only cover sins temporarily (Heb.8:27).

And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. Mark 14:24

The new covenant is NOT between God (through Christ) Israel alone but for MANY who believes. However, Christ as the mediator of this new covenant had to die in order to enforce the New Covenant and his death CHANGED EVERYTHING because of the finished works and this new covenant is operated by Grace. Hebrews 9:15-16.

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Goshen360: Many Christians are trying to practice the Old covenant along with the new not realizing the Old is null and void, Heb. 8:7-13. The Old covenant was between God and Israel alone but the New is between God and the church enforced by the blood of Christ. What the Old covenant couldn't accomplish is what Christ did and so, we refer to it as a better and finished works of Christ.

The Old Covenant is a revelation of God in the righteous requirement and standard of the law. Which was a conditional covenant. That is, one must do something for God to do another thing. The New Covenant is the revelation of God (from Christ to Apostle Paul and other Apostles) in the righteous Son who empowers those who believe and receive it to become adopted children of God was an unconditional covenant. The purpose of this new covenant is to do what the Old Covenant could not. The New Covenant is based on the shed blood which signed and sealed the covenant under the Mosaic covenant the shed blood of animals could only cover sins temporarily (Heb.8:27).

And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. Mark 14:24

The new covenant is NOT between God (through Christ) Israel alone but for MANY who believes. However, Christ as the mediator of this new covenant had to die in order to enforce the New Covenant and his death CHANGED EVERYTHING because of the finished works and this new covenant is operated by Grace. Hebrews 9:15-16.

to be continue . . .

My guy stop confusing yourself.The gentiles don't even have a covenant in the first place until Christ came.So if this thread is directed to me as per our arguments,save yourself the trouble.KNOWLEDGE PUFFS UP BUT LOVE EDIFIES.

Goshen360:
[But when God found fault with the people, he said: "The day is coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and led them out of the land of Egypt. They did not remain faithful to my covenant, so I turned my back on them, says the LORD. Hebrews 8:8-9

The above ^ scripture confirms to us that the promised and fulfilled New Covenant is NOT like the Old and therefore is NOT a continuation but different covenant.

I don change my mind sef.This night na me and you.Let me see whether you have a sound theology.

Question 1.The bolded in red debunks your statement that the new covenant pertains to us."The day is coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah" Is the house of Israel and the house of judah a gentile?

First, let's examine the Scriptures to see who God chose as His own special people:

EXODUS 19:3 And Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain, saying, "Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel: 4 'You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to Myself. 5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel." (NKJV)

So you can see that the house of Jacob and house of Israel God is referring to here is not even the gentiles to start with.ERROR number 1.

Thus you can see from the prophecy of Jeremiah which was repeated in Hebrews plainly states that God will make the New Covenant with two specific entities: (1) The House of Israel, and (2) the House of Judah.. These are not gentiles my brother.Let us rightly divide the word of truth here.That's what i have been trying to make you see all along.

Because of Christ's death, burial and resurrection, many thing changed as a result of His finished work and these are the revelation revealed to the Apostles, especially Paul - it was the revelation of the finished works and that is what the New Covenant is all about:

1. We are a new creature and were given a new nature of Christ and in Christ - Colosians 1: 13; 2 Corinthians 5:17.

2. For by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified - Hebrews 10:14.

3. We are adopted - Romans 8:15; Gal.4:5

4. We are regenerated Titus 3:5

5. We were put in the body of Christ - 1 Cor. 12:13, Rom.6:1-10.

6. We were indwelt by the Spirit of God - 1 Cor. 3:16, 6:19.

7. We were sealed till the day he comes for us - 2 Cor.1:22; Ephesians 1:3-14, 4:30.

8. We were empowered for service Ephesians 5:18.

9. We have been delivered from the kingdom of darkness into light - Col.1:13; Heb.2:14-15. It is our inheritance. Many preachers teach deliverance for Christians but Christ had already delivered us!

10. We have been blessed with all spiritual blessings - Ephesians 1:3. Many are trying to DO SOMETHING e.g pay tithe so that windows of heaven can be opened to them, but by Christ's finished works, believers are already blessed. We give because we're already blessed as a result of the finished works not because we want to be bless.

11. His death was a propitiation. This means the wrath of God was satisfied. God the father poured out his anger and punishment against sin on his son - Romans 3:25

12. We were justified - Romans 5:9

13. We were made righteous and righteousness of God - 2 Corinthians 5:21. The one who had been MADE righteous shall only live by FAITH - Romans 1:17; 3:22.

14. We have been REDEEMED from the curses of the law and Christ was MADE A CURSE for us - Galatians 3:13. Those who preach or teach that Christians are under a curse simply do not understand the finished works and the better covenant. There's no curse for a new covenant believers who are in Christ, Christ had been MADE A CURSE for you and redeemED you from the curses of the law.

15. We were crucified with Christ (Gal.2:20) When he died the law died with him and so did we, Colossians 2:20-21. We were buried with him, Romans 6:4. We were made alive with him by his resurrection, Ephesians 2:5, Col.3:1. We were made joint heirs with Christ and will be glorified with him, Romans 8:17. His blood purchased us Romans 3:25; Ephesians 1:7.

The End

Bidam: I don change my mind sef.This night na me and you.Let me see whether you have a sound theology.

Question 1.The bolded in red debunks your statement that the new covenant pertains to us."The day is coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah" Is the house of Israel and the house of judah a gentile?

First, let's examine the Scriptures to see who God chose as His own special people:

EXODUS 19:3 And Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain, saying, "Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel: 4 'You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to Myself. 5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel." (NKJV)

So you can see that the house of Jacob and house of Israel God is referring to here is not even the gentiles to start with.ERROR number 1.

You, my friend do err not knowing the scriptures. The house of Judah is the covenant that will be initiated by Christ being from JUDAH. Therefore, you have house of ISRAEL and the house of JUDAH.

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. Hebrews 7:14

Christ fulfilled this covenant coming from the house of Judah, as the mediator of the New Covenant by his blood. If you like, make you dey test my sound theology. Theology ko, Theophillus ni.

Goshen360:

You, my friend do err not knowing the scriptures. The house of Judah is the covenant that will be initiated by Christ being from JUDAH. Therefore, you have house of ISRAEL and the house of JUDAH.

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. Hebrews 7:14

Christ fulfilled this covenant coming from the house of Judah, as the mediator of the New Covenant by his blood. If you like, make you dey test my sound theology. Theology ko, Theophillus ni.

. You do err again here.I am not talking about Jesus Christ who is evidently a Jew even He himself confessed that in MATTHEW 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." (NKJV) .

The question is how are the gentiles able to partake of what clearly is not theirs to start with.

Bidam: . You do err again here.I am not talking about Jesus Christ who is evidently a Jew even He himself confessed that in MATTHEW 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." (NKJV) .

The question is how are the gentiles able to partake of what clearly is not theirs to start with.

I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel is BEFORE the finished works. The death of the testator enforced the NEW COVENANT and his blood was shed for MANY who believes. The gentiles, because of the finished works that CHANGED everything, was engrafted into the new covenant.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision " by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands--remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. Ephesians 2:11-16

King James Bible
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28

That's the new covenant my friend, that's the revelation of the finished works. In Matthew to John, the testator was only writing his will that will take effect after his death. In the revelation of the finished works, we know\understand the 'worth & value' of what's left and\or done for us as inheritance.

Bidam: Is the house of Israel and the house of judah a gentile?

^
(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Gal 3:24-29)

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Goshen360:
10. We have been blessed with all spiritual blessings - Ephesians 1:3. Many are trying to DO SOMETHING e.g pay tithe so that windows of heaven can be opened to them, but by Christ's finished works, believers are already blessed. We give because we're already blessed as a result of the finished works not because we want to be bless.

No scripture indicates that tithes was abolished. Infact the christian is even called to a more selfless sacrifice higher than that of the payments of tithes.This is the genesis of the argument and what necessitated you to open a thread that you were not inspired to open in the first place.

Saints should give :
(1) proportionate to income, (2) systematically, (3) liberally, (4) as they purpose in their heart, and (5) cheerfully (Acts 11:29; I Cor 16:1-3; II Cor 8:12; 9:7). God loves cheerful givers. If saints give liberally, they will be blessed liberally (II Cor 9:6). A tithe should be the minimum, since it was the minimum before and during the Law.

Even the Apostle Paul did appeal to the Law of Moses for principles of financial giving, which shows the remaining validity of the principles pertaining to giving (I Cor 9:8-9; II Cor 9:9; I Tim 5:18).

If like you guys claim that giving to God is when you feel like it and anything other than that is mere ritual then worshipping God on daily basis also becomes a dead ritual depending on your state of heart(whether you feel like it or don't feel like it), for systematic giving can be done cheerfully, as Moses required of the Jews, and Paul required of the Gentiles (I Cor 16:1-3). Does attending assemblies every Lord's Day or daily reading of the Bible become a dead ritual merely by its discipline or habit? No!

aletheia:
^
(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Gal 3:24-29)

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My dear, i agree,na tithe cause all this wahala joor..No mind Gosh.

Goshen360: I decided to start this teaching out of no time because there're many on this forum that teaches that the New Covenant is a continuation of the Old Covenant. There's no where the scripture teaches the New is a continuation of Old but on the contrary, the New is different from the Old. What we have today are Christians trying to study the Old covenant, of which they don't belong to while they have a new and better covenant in\through Christ.

The new covenant is a product of Abrahamic covenant. There is different between abrahamic covenant and old covenant through Moses . That one vaporized away. But abrahamic covenant is foundation for the new . We are children of Abraham . He is the father of faith.

Bidam: No scripture indicates that tithes was abolished. Infact the christian is even called to a more selfless sacrifice higher than that of the payments of tithes.This is the genesis of the argument and what necessitated you to open a thread that you were not inspired to open in the first place.

You, my friend keep saying no scripture indicates tithe was abolished but you have been shown many scriptures but you remain adamant to the truth. There was tithe\tithing before the law and during the law. The tithe\tithing during the law was given to the levites officiating under the levitical priesthood. If these levitical priesthood was abolished, unto whom are you taking the tithe to? I have replied you in the other thread based on the question I asked you. You are employed in an organization and your employment terminated, do you still receive wages from that employer? Does God change the Levitical priesthood to ministry gift to continue the collection of tithe? If God did, show scriptures.

Bidam:

Saints should give :
(1) proportionate to income, (2) systematically, (3) liberally, (4) as they purpose in their heart, and (5) cheerfully (Acts 11:29; I Cor 16:1-3; II Cor 8:12; 9:7). God loves cheerful givers. If saints give liberally, they will be blessed liberally (II Cor 9:6). A tithe should be the minimum, since it was the minimum before and during the Law.

You, my friend have been saying the law in written in our heart. I like to borrow the words of Zikky - Let the heart determine the giving not a mandatory 10% of monthly income. The truth I'm trying to explain is, the Old is completely different from the New...in everything and it's not a continuation, one for another.

For instance, Malachi that wasn't written to the church but to the priest says, bring tithe SO THAT GOD WILL THEN OPEN WINDOWS OF HEAVEN AND POUR YOU BLESSINGS. That's not the case with the New Covenant. Under the Old, you must do something in order to attract blessings but under the New, we are blessed BECAUSE OF WHAT CHRIST DID. What the law could not do, grace and truth did. So many who tithe are doing so because Malachi say in doing that, God will open the windows of heaven BUT they have no revelation of what Christ had done that by the finished works of Christ, HEAVEN IS ALREADY AND PERPETUALLY opened to believers and we have access to God because of Christ's finished works. Hebrews 10:19; Ephesians 3:12; 2:18 and Romans 5:2.

Bidam:

Even the Apostle Paul did appeal to the Law of Moses for principles of financial giving, which shows the remaining validity of the principles pertaining to giving (I Cor 9:8-9; II Cor 9:9; I Tim 5:18).

This is a topic for another day and time. Paul referencing the law doesn't enforce the practice of the law on believers under the New Covenant. Anything you see such from Apostle Paul, you must find the New Testament revelation of what he was referencing. We shall deal with that another time.

Goshen360:

You, my friend keep saying no scripture indicates tithe was abolished but you have been shown many scriptures but you remain adamant to the truth. There was tithe\tithing before the law and during the law. The tithe\tithing during the law was given to the levites officiating under the levitical priesthood. If these levitical priesthood was abolished, unto whom are you taking the tithe to? I have replied you in the other thread based on the question I asked you. You are employed in an organization and your employment terminated, do you still receive wages from that employer? Does God change the Levitical priesthood to ministry gift to continue the collection of tithe? If God did, show scriptures.

This guy funny die.If you and others have shown me why would i be arguing in the first place? Levitical priesthood was changed to melchizedek priesthood. yes.

But don't forget priesthood remained then tithes retained.Go check the other thread i just did that after alot of searching.

You, my friend have been saying the law in written in our heart. I like to borrow the words of Zikky. Let the heart not determine the giving not a mandatory 10% of monthly income. The truth I'm trying to explain is, the Old is completely different from the New...in everything and it's not a continuation, one for another.

Yeah..the beauty of the new covenant is that giving is never mandatory. “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own power? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied unto men, but unto God.”Acts 5;3-4.Look at the bolded.That means you are permitted to eat your givings no wahala.

For instance, Malachi that wasn't written to the church but to the priest says, bring tithe SO THAT GOD WILL THEN OPEN WINDOWS OF HEAVEN AND POUR YOU BLESSINGS.

It was actaully written to the whole nation including priest,when you don't study a particular scripture well.Errors will be the order of the day. for your whole nation has been cheating me MAL 3:9.

That's not the case with the New Covenant

.the principle applies here,Giving is the only proof that you conquered greed,it is an eternal law that works irrespective of who you are.whether an unbeliever or not.Paul understood this and that was why he encouraged givings,and i still repeat If saints give liberally, they will be blessed liberally (II Cor 9:6).If they don't give that's too bad.That was why the church was poor centuries past despite the righteousness and integrity they exhibited.They never had this understanding,hence the cliche as poor as a church rat.

Under the Old, you must do something in order to attract blessings

Cheap and deceptive gospel.You still have alot to learn,may God open your eyes in this area. I agree Christ has given us victory,but there are still demonic bulls and princes you wage war with to attain completeness of your victory.satan is no fool,he is always the accuser of the brethren.

but under the New, we are blessed BECAUSE OF WHAT CHRIST DID.

Yeah i guess i will cross my leg and sleep,till Christ returns.SMH!

What the law could not do, grace and truth did

.What grace and truth did was the salvation of your soul,you still have to wage the good warfare or fight the good fight of faith.Stop deceiving yourself.

So many who tithe are doing so because Malachi say in doing that, God will open the windows of heaven BUT they have no revelation of what Christ had done that by the finished works of Christ, HEAVEN IS ALREADY AND PERPETUALLY opened to believers and we have access to God because of Christ's finished works. Hebrews 10:19; Ephesians 3:12; 2:18 and Romans 5:2.

Gosh is putting the cart before the horse,what about sufferings and persecutions of the saints.Are they not in your bible?

This is a topic for another day and time. Paul referencing the law doesn't enforce the practice of the law on believers under the New Covenant. Anything you see such from Apostle Paul, you must find the New Testament revelation of what he was referencing. We shall deal with that another time.

Paul always reference the law to drive home a point.And tithing is one of it,stay blessed.

Hi bidam what goshen has pointed out is the GOOD NEWS that has not been preached over the ages that the mess the church finds itself. The reason miracles etc ceased is because the old covenant aka law of moses has been upheld in the church. Gal 2. What i tend to agree with you is giving should be out of liberality not mandatory which tithe falls in that category.
@gosh the literal of the new covenant was declared in jeremiah before paul quoted it in hebrew. Could you take it up individually.

Hi goshen, you speak like joseph prince except the issue of tithe which he preaches. Apart from tithe, i listen more to him however, he does not emphasis tithe nor giving in his preaching but i pray his eyes be enlightened on the obsoleteness of the tithing.

@ dead2sin,

Hey, what's sup my brother!

When Grace full get hold of you, you just relax and understand everything had been done for you. You're only invited to come BY FAITH in order to receive what had been freely given. Many church people like to work and EARN something but the New Covenant says, it's already done - that's the revelation that was given to the Apostles. Do you think there should be need for a revelation of the new covenant if Christ already taught everything during his earthly ministry? Christ by authority has MADE us MINISTERS OF THE NEW COVENANT, 2 Corinthians 3:6. Any minister mixing the Old with the New is not a minister of Christ because such is NOT preaching Christ and His finished works, 1 Corinthians 1:23.

dead2sin:
@gosh the literal of the new covenant was declared in jeremiah before paul quoted it in hebrew. Could you take it up individually.

In Jeremiah, I'm aware is the first declaration and the promise of what God was going to do in future. When the appointed time came, it was fulfilled by Christ because God never told us HOW He was going to do it in Jeremiah but we understand it was DONE through Christ because Christ said, THIS IS the NEW COVENANT in my blood shed for MANY, no longer Israel alone and so when that blood was shed on the Cross, the wall of the earthly temple was ripped apart and gentiles can NOW come into the covenant (new). So, in Jeremiah, it was a prophesy or promise but in Hebrews, the writer was saying it is fulfilled by quoting what was prophesied.

@ Bidam,

I will not bother reply you in detail because I see you're way OFF the topic completely.

The Old Covenant vs. The New
Covenant
Jeremiah 31:31-34
Old Covenant – Moses as
Minister (2 Corinthians
3:13-15; John 1:17; Hebrews
3:5)
New Covenant - Jesus’
Disciples as Ministers (2
Corinthians 3:6; John
16:12-15)
Old Covenant - A Covenant of
the Letter (2 Corinthians 3:6)
New Covenant - A Covenant
of the Spirit (2 Corinthians
3:6-
Old Covenant - A Covenant
which Kills (2 Corinthians
3:6)
New Covenant - A Covenant
which Gives Life (2
Corinthians 3:6 – literally
“makes alive”)
Old Covenant - A Ministry of
Death (2 Corinthians 3:7)
New Covenant - A Ministry of
Life (2 Corinthians 3:6)
Old Covenant - A Ministry of
Condemnation (2
Corinthians 3:9)
New Covenant - A
Ministration of
Righteousness (2
Corinthians 3:9)
Old Covenant - A Covenant
Written with Ink (2
Corinthians 3:3)
New Covenant - A Covenant
Written with the Spirit of the
Living God ( 2 Corinthians
3:3)
Old Covenant - A Covenant
Written on Stone (2
Corinthians 3:3-7)
New Covenant - A Covenant
Written on the Heart of Man
( 2 Corinthians 3:3; Jeremiah
31:33; Ezekiel 11:19-20;
36:26)
Old Covenant - A Covenant
which came with Glory (2
Corinthians 3:7; Exodus
34:29-35)
New Covenant - A Covenant
which came with the
Greatest Glory ( 2 Corinthians
3:8-11)
Old Covenant - A Covenant
whose Glory was Passing/
Fading ( 2 Corinthians 3:7)
New Covenant - A Covenant
whose Glory Continues to
Shine ( 2 Corinthians 3:18)
Old Covenant - A Veiled or
Covered Glory (2 Corinthians
3:12-16)
New Covenant - An Unveiled,
Ever-Increasing Glory (2
Corinthians 3:18)
Old Covenant - A Covenant
Destined to be Done Away (2
Corinthians 3:11; Hebrews
7:12, 8:13, 10:9)
New Covenant - A Covenant
Destined to Last Forever (2
Corinthians 3:11; Hebrews
13:20)

Goshen360: @ Bidam,

I will not bother reply you in detail because I see you're way OFF the topic completely.

No, you have to. I'm learning a lot from this thread.
Bidam, calm down a bit. Your blood is too hot that it can disintegrate this wonderful topic.

Reyginus: No, you have to. I'm learning a lot from this thread.
Bidam, calm down a bit. Your blood is too hot that it can disintegrate this wonderful topic.

This is an interesting thread sha... i saw a youtube some years back on LAW VS GRACE. now i cant find it, fortunately i downloaded it then, i will post a link this week to for everyone to watch, will link it here...

@Bidam... i want to ask.. from your post above you agree to the issue of Christians giving liberarily, now are you saying that giving of tithe is done liberarily? if its don liberarily, then its not tithe.. what do you say...

Goshen360:

No be just to dey shine teeth here o. Go find Bidam make una continue before I arrange boys wey go brush the two of una.

The Law was used in the old testament to expose men as sinners. "moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound..."- Rom 5:20a. What is this offence then? Remember folks, Adam was a sinner; so then anybody born of Adam is a sinner. "As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy;..." - 1Corinth 15:48.
Now, that Jesus came; HE took the purnishments of the sins of all men upon HIMSELF, paying for the sins of everybody by dying. Remember " For the wages of sin is death" - Rom 6:23. My friends Jesus took all of our sins (past, present and future) upon himself on the cross. He was just the perfect sacrifice.
Now, anyman who believes and accepts Jesus logs into His (Jesus's) Righteousness. "For HE hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him" -2 Corinth 5:21. Here, there was an exchanging of sin and righteousness the day Jesus died. We now have his righteousness, the gift of Righteousness- "..Therefore as by the offence of one (Adam) judgment came upon all men to condemnation: even so by the righteousness of one (Jesus) shall the free gift (of righteousness) came upon all men unto justification of life" - Rom 5:18. My friends, we have the gift, you dont work to earn a gift. Its free. Our Righteousness is free.
Nevertheless "14. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace, 15. What then? Shall we sin, becaus we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are.." Not the word 'yield'. We should'nt take our righteousness as a midium to suit ourselves but to live for God

Believe in what your mind tells you,dön't impose your policy on us!

Everybody emphasising on tithe giving. If u like give or not give, is only for ur own benefit.

So, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is not the new covenant\testament. What's happening there is, Christ, the mediator of the covenant was ONLY writing his will that will take effect after his death and become INHERITANCE to all who believes.

We have a rich inheritance in Christ. We didn't work for it, it was done for us and on our behalf.

Goshen360: Because of Christ's death, burial and resurrection, many thing changed as a result of His finished work and these are the revelation revealed to the Apostles, especially Paul - it was the revelation of the finished works and that is what the New Covenant is all about:

1. We are a new creature and were given a new nature of Christ and in Christ - Colosians 1: 13; 2 Corinthians 5:17.

2. For by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified - Hebrews 10:14.

3. We are adopted - Romans 8:15; Gal.4:5

4. We are regenerated Titus 3:5

5. We were put in the body of Christ - 1 Cor. 12:13, Rom.6:1-10.

6. We were indwelt by the Spirit of God - 1 Cor. 3:16, 6:19.

7. We were sealed till the day he comes for us - 2 Cor.1:22; Ephesians 1:3-14, 4:30.

8. We were empowered for service Ephesians 5:18.

9. We have been delivered from the kingdom of darkness into light - Col.1:13; Heb.2:14-15. It is our inheritance. Many preachers teach deliverance for Christians but Christ had already delivered us!

10. We have been blessed with all spiritual blessings - Ephesians 1:3. Many are trying to DO SOMETHING e.g pay tithe so that windows of heaven can be opened to them, but by Christ's finished works, believers are already blessed. We give because we're already blessed as a result of the finished works not because we want to be bless.

11. His death was a propitiation. This means the wrath of God was satisfied. God the father poured out his anger and punishment against sin on his son - Romans 3:25

12. We were justified - Romans 5:9

13. We were made righteous and righteousness of God - 2 Corinthians 5:21. The one who had been MADE righteous shall only live by FAITH - Romans 1:17; 3:22.

14. We have been REDEEMED from the curses of the law and Christ was MADE A CURSE for us - Galatians 3:13. Those who preach or teach that Christians are under a curse simply do not understand the finished works and the better covenant. There's no curse for a new covenant believers who are in Christ, Christ had been MADE A CURSE for you and redeemED you from the curses of the law.

15. We were crucified with Christ (Gal.2:20) When he died the law died with him and so did we, Colossians 2:20-21. We were buried with him, Romans 6:4. We were made alive with him by his resurrection, Ephesians 2:5, Col.3:1. We were made joint heirs with Christ and will be glorified with him, Romans 8:17. His blood purchased us Romans 3:25; Ephesians 1:7.

The End

Check Heb. 7:6 - 9 and interpret the verse

victorazy: Everybody emphasising on tithe giving. If u like give or not give, is only for ur own benefit.

That's where the difference between the old and new covenant comes to play. Malachi says bring it SO THAT GOD will THEN OPEN WINDOWS OF HEAVEN AND POUR YOUR BLESSINGS. That's a conditional covenant!

After Christ said it is finished, the work was completed and the blood sealed the new covenant. We don't give because WE WANT A BENEFIT but because WE ALREADY BLESSED BY CHRIST'S COMPLETED WORK.

There's no Windows shut against believers from the time Christ said, it is finished. Every believer now HAVE ACCESS TO THE HEAVENLY FATHER.

Bidam tearing some dude to shreds


@Goshen, you are just showing you have little knowledge of the bible.

The NT is found on the promise God made Abraham, if you now saying God made a new one, question is with who did he make the new one?

Bottom line, dnt mistake Moses's Law for the covenant God made with Abraham. in a nut shell, the NT is a continuation of the old testament.

Stop mincing scriptures to suit you.

Jesus, the apostles, and the entire New
Testament books taught nothing new.
They might have taught in new ways,
but they did not teach us new laws.
Everything they taught was from the
beginning, and is found in the Old
Testament books. That's why Jesus and
the apostles commonly preceded their
teaching with “it is written,” or “the
scriptures saith,” and then proceeded to
quote God's written law from the Old
Testament. Jesus might have explained
what the Old Testament laws meant in
different words, such as by using
parables and such, but nonetheless, the
truths he taught are all found in the Old
Testament. Remember, Jesus was under the Old Testament law: Galatians 4:4-5, "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law," Now, who was "under the law"? Jews.
And did Christ refer to himself as Jew? Yes, he did (John 4:9,22).
Matthew 5
We will start our study by examining
Matthew 5, which is commonly called
“The Sermon on the Mount.” The Sermon on the Mount deals with righteous personal conduct. Many people believe Jesus was teaching new truths here, and that Jesus was laying down new laws, and abolishing Old Testament laws. However, this is not true. Each and every statement he says in this chapter is taken directly from the Old Testament. He was not changing God's Law! As a matter of fact, in the middle of his Sermon on the Mount, he paused to stress the truth that the Old Testament laws have not passed away!
Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I came
to abolish the law, or the prophets: I
came not to abolish, but to fulfil. For
verily I say to you, Until heaven and
earth pass, one jot or one tittle in no
wise shall pass away from the law,
until all be fulfilled."