MEILYN: I heard conflicting opinions. Someone said that the spirit will be absent from the body and be present with the Lord, yet others say that you "sleep" in the grave until the resurrection. Others say the spirit will goto the spirit prison until judgment day, while some say after death is judgment, ur spirit goes to heaven or hell.

What your take?

i believe this verse would solve all the confusion sire

ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

nobody goes to heaven till after the second coming

obadiah777: i believe this verse would solve all the confusion sire

ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

nobody goes to heaven till after the second coming

oh thanks sire. So many people have different stories/views concerning this particular issue.

Just as he has said Ecclesiastes 12:7 shed light on this matter.
Believers read and interpret their bible upside down.
When a man dies his thoughts ends his spirit returns to God who gave it. In your spirit is the storage of all your life activities in life which God will use to judge us. Then your real self your soul will go to sleep a situation of unconsciousness not hell or heaven rather you are sleeping. I think in the first book of Acts Peter was telling the people that David is in the grave waiting for resurrection . Then your body will decay and return to dust.
Then at the return of Christ every bit of your will recompose back and the spirit of God will reenter you and you will wake up and our body will change and put on exactly the same body that Christ had when he resurrected .That is immortal body.
There is no place in the bible it says we r going to heaven.
We are staying here this where Christ will rule on earth not heaven. He will return and we shall reign with him on earth for 1,000 years .

MEILYN: oh thanks sire. So many people have different stories/viewsconcerning this particular issue.

ahhhh sire but the bolded is the focal point.

matthew 22 vs 14 For many are called, but few are chosen

obadiah777: ahhhh sire but the bolded is the focal point.

matthew 22 vs 14 For many are called, but few are chosen

indeed sire, indeed.....

Pleasant stream: Just as he has said Ecclesiastes 12:7 shed light on this matter.
Believers read and interpret their bible upside down.
When a man dies his thoughts ends his spirit returns to God who gave it. In your spirit is the storage of all your life activities in life which God will use to judge us. Then your real self your soul will go to sleep a situation of unconsciousness not hell or heaven rather you are sleeping. I think in the first book of Acts Peter was telling the people that David is in the grave waiting for resurrection . Then your body will decay and return to dust.
Then at the return of Christ every bit of your will recompose back and the spirit of God will reenter you and you will wake up and our body will change and put on exactly the same body that Christ had when he resurrected .That is immortal body.
There is no place in the bible it says we r going to heaven.
We are staying here this where Christ will rule on earth not heaven. He will return and we shall reign with him on earth for 1,000 years .

haaaaaaaaaa, our body will change to what? You mean, everybody will wake up 4rm the dead? Their dead bodies will come out from the grave? Haaaaaaa

Meilyn ate you a Christian? If not you can't understand cos your mind must be spiritually reversed by believing on Christ and walk in obedience to his words before you can fathom these.
Again yes our body will change not everybody will wake up rather the believers of old and now also other people that are alive when Christ returns will put on immortal body which cannot be corrupted though we shall still have some fleshy pull but gradually we will overcome them.
People fail to understand that there would be two resurrections. One for believers and those unbelievers God will spare during tribulation only him knows.Also those that haven't heard and maybe have heard about the gospel but their excuse was that life was full of troubles that they don't have time for Christ. Also satan would be loosed too for 100 years. At the end of 100 years those that believes will receive salvation and those that do not will be cast into the lake of fire for final destruction with the devil.
I have been called by God for 21 years now. I understand your situation I was asking such questions before.

@ OP,

The Catholic Church teaches that those with mortal sins go to eternal damnation; those without any unforgiven sin or unsatisfied temporal punishment go to heaven; those with venial sins (not mortal) and unsatisfied temporal punishment go to purgatory to be purged for their final entrance into heaven.

If you'll listen...

Fili_Dei: @ OP,

The Catholic Church teaches that those with mortal sins go to eternal damnation; those without any unforgiven sin or unsatisfied temporal punishment go to heaven; those with venial sins (not mortal) and unsatisfied temporal punishment go to purgatory to be purged for their final entrance into heaven.

If you'll listen...

this is blasphemy. Prove it 4rm the Bible?

if i may add, i tink afta death is judgement n ur fate is sealed i.e heaven or hell..else all dz revelations and co by ppl wont av any justification watsoeva...n b4 am discredited(mild assertion) by some folks i do believe in some (not all of dz revz by ppl) n am of d opinion dat satan gains notin by exposing his plans (showin us wat is happening in hell ryt nw cuz evry1 wud just sit up)but achvz alot by concealing d truth

Obadiah? You see why i said, everybody has their own opinion on this?

TO UNDERSTAND THIS PART....LETS LOOK AT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACH:
Its Heartwarming that the Bible tells us abt the Condition of the dead in Ecclesistiess 9:5 which says "But as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all" WHICH SHOWS D DEAD KNOWS NOTHING....Just as Lazarus is NEVA written to go to anywhere when he die during his Unconscious period in the Tomb..Infact He himself Neva Gave a picture of Heaven after he was resurrected.
But at this point somone may say Wat abt d SPIRIT? The word translated "Spirit" in d Bible also

The word translated Spirit in d bible also Means "Breath"? Which shows dat Spirit is a Force dat Kips us alive...SO wat does d Bible teach abt dis: Psalm 146:4 nd Eclesisties 12:7 shows dat The Spirit or Breath goes back to its Giver. Which MEANS dat the prospect of the person comin bak to Life Once again Lies with GOD(John 5:28,29)

At this Point Somone may wonder again dat Wat abt d Soul?...The Bible TEACHES dat a Living Man is also A Soul(Genesis 2:7)...so we are not Suprised Dat the Bible Teaches dat A soul Dies (Ezekiel 18:4)! So a SOUL IS ALSO A MAN. FROM ALL THESE WE CAN SEE DAT GOD'S WORD TEACHES DAT A PERSON OR SOUL DAT HAS DIED IS UNCONSCIOUS OR KNOWS NOTHIN...BUT GOD WHOM IS D GIVER OF LIFE HAS PROMISED TO RESURECT RIGHTEOUS ONES(JOHN 5:28,29) DAT TIME WHEN HE WILL MAKE ALL THINGS NEW(Revelation 21:3-5)...Isnt Dat Heartwarming nd shows GOD Loves Us?

Nice one @Captivator.

MEILYN: Nice one @Captivator.

....TANKS My Gud Broda COZ ITS HIGH TIME WE START KNOWING WAT GOD TEACH ND NOT WAT HUMANS DO SAY....BUT ALL TANKS TO ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH GOD DAT REVEAL DIS TINZ TO US.

@ CAPTIVATOR

Scriptures disagree with your views about the soul. The soul of a dead man is conscious after death. While I agree that the english translator have interchangeably translate the soul as man. There abound enough evidences in scriptures that the soul of man is very conscious after death.

let us start with Abel who was killed by his brother Cain

Genesis 4: 10

"And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground."

This account is similar to what the book of revelation records in Revelations 6: 9-11

“And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And there was given them to each one a white robe; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little time, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, who should be killed even as they were, should have fulfilled their course.”

To quote Wayne Jackson "Regarding these souls, scripture and logic indicate:
(1) They are vocal — they cry out to God.
(2) They are intellectually curious — they desire to know how long persecution will continue.
(3) These souls have memory — they recall earth’s bloody circumstances.
(4) They are morally sensitive — they believe that the wicked who persecute God’s righteous cause on earth should be punished.
(5) They are capable of receiving blessings —each is given a white robe.
(6) They are able to comprehend admonition — they are told to be patient and rest until the divine plan is fulfilled."

Then Jesus who is God in nature described what happens to a man named Lazarus ( this is the first time Jesus actually put a real name to a story, hence more than just a parable) and a rich man ( he didn't name that man). Jesus also mentioned another well known name Abraham ( the patriarch of the Jews) in Luke 16: 19 -31

Jesus described where the souls of the dead go when they die. He said either they go to hell ( as the case of the rich man) or they go to paradise ( as the case of Lazarus). Jesus also said the paradise and hell are located at thesame place only separated by a gulf... which means those in hell and paradise have thesame state.... state of the dead ( soulish state, I would say)

Jesus himself when he died went to paradise. He also promised the thief who was at his side that they will meet in paradise as recorded in Luke 23:43

Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Jesus indicated that all the dead righteous men are waiting in paradise till the day of resurrection. As he himself resurrected from there on the third day. We know that Jesus' resurrection took place three days after he made the promise to the thief.

Hell is not the final destination of the wicked rather it is temporary, just as the paradise is for the righteous. The bible records in revelation 20 that Satan, death, hell and all unrighteous will be cast into the lake of fire. SATAN is NOT in HELL. Hell wasn't made for him. His destruction will be the lake of fire.... which is the second death for all unrighteous.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death

Hell will give up all souls held in it, it will be empty and hell itself will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

The bible did not expressly say we will go to heaven.... however many Christians call paradise heaven (fair enough, as long as they understand what they are saying)... but if we follow the life of Jesus....he himself went down to Hades ( the place of the dead, which sometimes is interpreted generally as grave).

Solomon wasnt wrong in his assessment of the dead....Jesus only shed more light to it....and he showed more to John in the book of revelation

You got it spot on belabela. Let those who hav ears hear.

belabela: @ CAPTIVATOR

Scriptures disagree with your views about the soul. The soul of a dead man is conscious after death. While I agree that the english translator have interchangeably translate the soul as man. There abound enough evidences in scriptures that the soul of man is very conscious after death.

let us start with Abel who was killed by his brother Cain

Genesis 4: 10

"And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground."

This account is similar to what the book of revelation records in Revelations 6: 9-11

“And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And there was given them to each one a white robe; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little time, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, who should be killed even as they were, should have fulfilled their course.”

To quote Wayne Jackson "Regarding these souls, scripture and logic indicate:
(1) They are vocal — they cry out to God.
(2) They are intellectually curious — they desire to know how long persecution will continue.
(3) These souls have memory — they recall earth’s bloody circumstances.
(4) They are morally sensitive — they believe that the wicked who persecute God’s righteous cause on earth should be punished.
(5) They are capable of receiving blessings —each is given a white robe.
(6) They are able to comprehend admonition — they are told to be patient and rest until the divine plan is fulfilled."

Then Jesus who is God in nature described what happens to a man named Lazarus ( this is the first time Jesus actually put a real name to a story, hence more than just a parable) and a rich man ( he didn't name that man). Jesus also mentioned another well known name Abraham ( the patriarch of the Jews) in Luke 16: 19 -31

Jesus described where the souls of the dead go when they die. He said either they go to hell ( as the case of the rich man) or they go to paradise ( as the case of Lazarus). Jesus also said the paradise and hell are located at thesame place only separated by a gulf... which means those in hell and paradise have thesame state.... state of the dead ( soulish state, I would say)

Jesus himself when he died went to paradise. He also promised the thief who was at his side that they will meet in paradise as recorded in Luke 23:43

Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Jesus indicated that all the dead righteous men are waiting in paradise till the day of resurrection. As he himself resurrected from there on the third day. We know that Jesus' resurrection took place three days after he made the promise to the thief.

Hell is not the final destination of the wicked rather it is temporary, just as the paradise is for the righteous. The bible records in revelation 20 that Satan, death, hell and all unrighteous will be cast into the lake of fire. SATAN is NOT in HELL. Hell wasn't made for him. His destruction will be the lake of fire.... which is the second death for all unrighteous.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death

Hell will give up all souls held in it, it will be empty and hell itself will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

The bible did not expressly say we will go to heaven.... however many Christians call paradise heaven (fair enough, as long as they understand what they are saying)... but if we follow the life of Jesus....he himself went down to Hades ( the place of the dead, which sometimes is interpreted generally as grave).

Solomon wasnt wrong in his assessment of the dead....Jesus only shed more light to it....and he showed more to John in the book of revelation

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.....My Gud Brodas xpecially at belabela..Do u know dat the account of Lazarus nd the Rich man is Symbolic. simply bcoz Jesus Shows dat in John 3:13 "Moreover No man has ever ascended to heaven...But Son of Man dat descended from dere "Which shows dat Abraham himself mentioned in dat Parable is unconscious (Ecclesistes 9:5,10)..But bcoz his Breath is with God HE AWAITS FUTURE RESURECTION (John 5:28,29)

Nd abt Abel's Blood, we shouldnt be suprised dat Almighty God Use d expression "Blood Crying out" in Genesis 4:10 nd verse 11 goes on to say the Ground received it...Dis sud not confuse us coz He can see Evrythin happenin on Earth compare hw he used it again in Genesis 18:20 abt Sodom nd Gomorah and in verse 21 he goes on to say "I am quite determined to go down"..He necessarily doesnt av to leave his Great Heavenly Throne before he knows wat happen..do He? same expression is also used abt Naboth blood in 2Kings 9:26....All dis expresson just remind us dat Our Loving God will neva Forsake us nd Infact he knows evrybit of wat is happening in our Lifes....BUT WE AV D HOPE OF SEEING ALL D PEOPLE WHOSE BLOOD HAS BEEN SHED EITHER IN WAR OR ANYTHIN IN GODS NEW WORLD...WHEN DEY COME BAK TO LIFE AGAIN ONCE AGAIN BCOZ RITE NW DEY ARE ASLEEP IN DEATH(DANIEL 12:2,JOHN 5:28,29 )

CAPTIVATOR: .....My Gud Brodas xpecially at belabela..Do u know dat the account of Lazarus nd the Rich man is Symbolic. simply bcoz Jesus Shows dat in John 3:13 "Moreover No man has ever ascended to heaven...But Son of Man dat descended from dere "Which shows dat Abraham himself mentioned in dat Parable is unconscious (Ecclesistes 9:5,10)..But bcoz his Breath is with God HE AWAITS FUTURE RESURECTION (John 5:28,29)

There is nothing symbolic about what Jesus said there just a truth. Consider carefully the sentence " there is a certain man named Lazarus" is just like saying "there is a certain man named Seun Osewa ". When Jesus gave illustration you hear sentences such as "there is a certain King who had two servants" Jesus even went on to talk about Abraham.... he was narrating was happened.

You also seem to confuse Hades ( where you have hell and paradise) with heaven (where God dwells). I have consistently mention on nairaland that there are only three men (Enoch, Elijah and Jesus) said to have ascended to heaven and arguably four (Enoch, Elijah, Moses and Jesus). Even at that other theologians argued that only Jesus has ever been to heaven. They claim that transfiguration is a vision of a future occurrence and that Enoch must have died since Hebrews 11;13 says "These all died in faith, not having received the promises,". Historical records are also used to prove that Elijah was only transported to another location just like Philip. Whatever is the case, heaven is the throne of God and the souls of the dead do not go there.

Heaven is where God dwells, from whence Jesus came and returned. Jesus himself did not return to heaven until 40 days after his resurrection. Do not confuse paradise with heaven. The bible never promised us that we will go to heaven where God dwells rather it says consistently that we will resurrect to live on earth and Christ will descend from heaven to live with us and reign over us as King. Even the new Jerusalem will descend as recorded in the book of revelation 21. This is the teaching of all Christians from the time of Christ..hence you hear Maranatha...Christ is coming soon. The heresy of rapture ( disappearance did not start to be taught in the christian church until some few decades ago). It has no basis in scripture yet it sounds good just as what you are propagating about souls being unconscious.

CAPTIVATOR: Nd abt Abel's Blood, we shouldnt be suprised dat Almighty God Use d expression "Blood Crying out" in Genesis 4:10 nd verse 11 goes on to say the Ground received it...Dis sud not confuse us coz He can see Evrythin happenin on Earth compare hw he used it again in Genesis 18:20 abt Sodom nd Gomorah and in verse 21 he goes on to say "I am quite determined to go down"..He necessarily doesnt av to leave his Great Heavenly Throne before he knows wat happen..do He? same expression is also used abt Naboth blood in 2Kings 9:26....All dis expresson just remind us dat Our Loving God will neva Forsake us nd Infact he knows evrybit of wat is happening in our Lifes....BUT WE AV D HOPE OF SEEING ALL D PEOPLE WHOSE BLOOD HAS BEEN SHED EITHER IN WAR OR ANYTHIN IN GODS NEW WORLD...WHEN DEY COME BAK TO LIFE AGAIN ONCE AGAIN BCOZ RITE NW DEY ARE ASLEEP IN DEATH(DANIEL 12:2,JOHN 5:28,29 )

Did you read Revealtions 6: 9-11 at all?. Did you not read what the dead souls were saying? did you not read they were told to rest? And you think the unconscious soul does talk? Do you think the soul of Jesus was unconscious for three days when he died? The body is unconscious cos it is dead but the soul is alive.

Do you know what the bible call speaking to the dead? You think the dead is unconscious but they can speak? Even the bible admits that it is possible to do so. This is no fiction. Saul spoke to Samuel after his death. God will say I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob... you think He is the God of some unconscious souls?... my brother think again.

If you speak to ex-occult members or even current occult members, depending on their rank in Satanism..they will tell you plainly that humans even engage in soul travel..and the soul that travel is very conscious in that realm.

When a man dies, his spirit returns to the Lord, yet he has a soul which is him...which doesn't die as you have seen in scriptures....which Jesus described but you decide to dismiss as symbolic. And when Jesus talks about the fire of hell...you think he was being symbolic?....when he says the rich man went straight to hell ...you think he was being symbolic? When he himself said he was going to paradise....you think he was being symbolic? when he promised a thief that they will meet on thesame day in paradise....you think Jesus was being symbolic? When Jesus showed John what happens to the souls of faithful saints being martyred...and he saw them crying out to God....you think that is being symbolic too?

if you decide to read some non-canonical books such as the book of Enoch...you will see thesame record of all the spirits of the dead (also called souls) crying out to the Lord.

Don't be deceived by new age teachers who specialise in misinterpreting the gospel by presenting a different God and Jesus unto men. Men who think God is wicked and unjust....who in their folly think God cannot destroy men with fire...men who have considered themselves more compassionate than God....who have often accuse God of wickedness....and in their frustration dismiss His entire existence. Hell is real, paradise is real...Heaven is real, God is real and God is not a man. He does destroy and he will destroy....he had destroyed the first world with water.....He will yet destroy the world for the second time with fire. He is compassionate, slow to anger ( not that he doesn't get angry..oh he does!). He hates sin and every sinner....yet he reaches out to sinners in order to save them...but if they refuse to repent or die in their sin. God will destroy them and He will always be right! He who has an ear let him hear!

Chai! That's a question indeed,google thingz

After death, Good people go to heaven while bad people wait in Hades until judgement day....so i remember while i was still spiritually sound

obadiah777: i believe this verse would solve all the confusion sire

ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

nobody goes to heaven till after the second coming

And where will Gos keep for spirit for the main time
?

After death, Good people go to heaven while bad people wait in Hades until judgement day....so i remember while i was still spiritually sound

obadiah777: i believe this verse would solve all the confusion sire

ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

nobody goes to heaven till after the second coming

And where will God keep for spirit for the main time
?

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how many of you have died and come back from death to tell the tale?

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Sadly, there's no hell & heaven. Your little god in the sky doesn't exist either. People with low IQ are more likely to be religious than people with high IQ. Now this is not a coincidence is it?

when u die,you go back to the dust to await the first or the second resurrection, if you make the first resurrection then you'll be in the kingdom set up on earth, the second you'll face the white throne,judged for everything you've done and said in the flesh,then thrown in that lake of everlasting fire,let me throw in some mysteries, ask yourself,how am i gonna be judged for all those evil things that i've done in my flesh,well i gat news for you, an angel writes down each law you break in your book which was mentioned in Revelations,when John said "and the books were opened"